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(Huffington Post)   US Ambassador to Aussies: Keep pirating Game Of Thrones and we will cut off your freakin' sword hand   (huffingtonpost.com) divider line 360
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2013-04-26 11:09:20 AM
eff with our copyright laws at your own peril!!

Who do you think you are?! China?!
 
2013-04-26 11:12:39 AM
Dude!  Spoilers!

Also, I view Australia kind of like he wildlings north of the wall...lawless.
 
2013-04-26 11:29:06 AM
I thought they pretty much banned the internet in Australia.
 
2013-04-26 11:30:54 AM
Because NO ONE is pirating GoT here in the States...no one at all.

Definitely not me.
 
2013-04-26 11:45:58 AM
Maybe HBO should consider updating their distribution model and stop hiding behind copyright violations?

Novel thought, I know.
 
2013-04-26 12:06:09 PM

justtray: Maybe HBO should consider updating their distribution model and stop hiding behind copyright violations?

Novel thought, I know.


That's the thing that amazes me about TV Networks.  You've got a country full of people jumping up and down with fists full of cash, and yet, the US entertainment industry acts as if they are above needing their money and refuses to adapt with...quite frankly, the new generation that has grown up with the internet and instant gratification when it comes to entertainment.
 
2013-04-26 12:15:50 PM
They should stick to The Sound of Music.
 
2013-04-26 12:17:18 PM
Dragons are real
 
2013-04-26 12:18:07 PM

I_C_Weener: Dude!  Spoilers!

Also, I view Australia kind of like he wildlings north of the wall...lawless.


Well it is now, good job!
 
2013-04-26 12:18:47 PM
it is a penal colony, what did you expect?
 
2013-04-26 12:22:09 PM
"If the 4 million people who watched 'Game of Thrones' legally had been illegal downloaders - the show would be off the air and there would never have been a season 3," Bleich said.

Except that's not what happened, HBO is more popular than ever, and Game of Thrones is wildly profitable.  So if you focus just on the metric of downloading, and ignore everything else about how business works, that attitude makes sense.  However, if you look at every metric of what "profitable" and "successful" means, downloaders aren't stealing from you, they are people whose price point has not yet been met.  There is zero demand from them at the current price point, and they only exist because your supply curve is fixed with legal constraints, but technology makes it easy to circumvent your supply curve.
 
2013-04-26 12:22:38 PM
If there was a way of watching it without subscribing to fox cable or using an apple product then I would be very happy to pay for it.

But frankly GOT has bigger problems than illegal downloads...like how about finishing the books !! The TV series is just distracting the man from his writing. Back to work !
 
2013-04-26 12:23:39 PM
GoT is the first show in awhile I've had to pirate.  Almost everything else is up in iTunes, Play, or Amazon within 24 hours of its air date.  Eventually I'll go back and buy the show off iTunes or perhaps physical DVDs, but I figure I'll let the digital media sales flag for a bit to voice my displeasure with HBO's model.

/also moving back into piracy for FX shows now that they embed ads at the beginning and end of them
//if I'm paying you money to buy it, I expect it come ad free
 
2013-04-26 12:23:48 PM

Endive Wombat: justtray: Maybe HBO should consider updating their distribution model and stop hiding behind copyright violations?

Novel thought, I know.

That's the thing that amazes me about TV Networks.  You've got a country full of people jumping up and down with fists full of cash, and yet, the US entertainment industry acts as if they are above needing their money and refuses to adapt with...quite frankly, the new generation that has grown up with the internet and instant gratification when it comes to entertainment.


And heaven forbid HBO allow people without out cable to subscribe.
 
2013-04-26 12:25:14 PM
I refuse to pay close to $25 a month for a movie package just so I can watch one channel one hour a week.

That said, I'd be more than willing to pay per episode or per season if I could download the show the same night it plays on television.

Since I can't do that, my only other option is to use less than legal means to get the show.

/Canadian
 
2013-04-26 12:25:20 PM

Endive Wombat: That's the thing that amazes me about TV Networks. You've got a country full of people jumping up and down with fists full of cash, and yet, the US entertainment industry acts as if they are above needing their money and refuses to adapt with...quite frankly, the new generation that has grown up with the internet and instant gratification when it comes to entertainment.


Damn it, we've been doing business this way for the last 60 years, we are not going to change out business model now.  We'll just hire a few congress people to put a stop to technological progress.
 
2013-04-26 12:25:39 PM

FreetardoRivera: it is a penal colony, what did you expect?


Penis.
 
2013-04-26 12:26:18 PM

ha-ha-guy: GoT is the first show in awhile I've had to pirate.  Almost everything else is up in iTunes, Play, or Amazon within 24 hours of its air date.  Eventually I'll go back and buy the show off iTunes or perhaps physical DVDs, but I figure I'll let the digital media sales flag for a bit to voice my displeasure with HBO's model.

/also moving back into piracy for FX shows now that they embed ads at the beginning and end of them
//if I'm paying you money to buy it, I expect it come ad free


bbsimg.ngfiles.com
 
2013-04-26 12:26:26 PM

bukijin: If there was a way of watching it without subscribing to fox cable or using an apple product then I would be very happy to pay for it.

But frankly GOT has bigger problems than illegal downloads...like how about finishing the books !! The TV series is just distracting the man from his writing. Back to work !


Honestly this season the people doing the writing for the show have started to prove they don't really need Martin to finish it up at this point.  They've made a lot of good decisions in terms of cutting out some of the secondary characters and streamlining the plot.  Odds are they can bring the series to a clean end even if Martin pulls a Robert Jordan.  Martin gets the credit for the world building, but he's only nice to have at this point.

/plus supposedly HBO made him provide an outline for the rest of the series before agreeing to film it, so they have the major plot lines all sketched out
 
2013-04-26 12:26:28 PM
http://throneroom.eu Just sayin'.

/always pays his debts
 
2013-04-26 12:28:11 PM

Teiritzamna: ha-ha-guy: GoT is the first show in awhile I've had to pirate.  Almost everything else is up in iTunes, Play, or Amazon within 24 hours of its air date.  Eventually I'll go back and buy the show off iTunes or perhaps physical DVDs, but I figure I'll let the digital media sales flag for a bit to voice my displeasure with HBO's model.

/also moving back into piracy for FX shows now that they embed ads at the beginning and end of them
//if I'm paying you money to buy it, I expect it come ad free

[bbsimg.ngfiles.com image 330x282]


Now you're just playing the idiot.  Most people with an IQ above a radish can read the implied context of "had to pirate due to lack of availability via digital distribution channels, unlike the vast majority of other current shows".  If you can't, I feel sorry for you.
 
2013-04-26 12:28:20 PM

Ennuipoet: Because NO ONE is pirating GoT here in the States...no one at all.

Definitely not me.


Seems Legit
 
2013-04-26 12:28:30 PM
Since when did this become the unites states of HBO? This isn't something the us government should be overly concerned about.
 
2013-04-26 12:28:37 PM
there really is no need to dl it with torrents if you can just stream it for free about an hour after the broadcast. Or you could do what i did and call up comcast and biatch about the rates and they may not only lower your rate but give you more channels and hbo for free. i called them and threatened to go to uverse. they knocked $25 a month off my bill gave me their upper tier package with hbo for free. if they are doing things like that they must actually feel threatened by uverse or people cutting off the cable in general. if they had not helped me out i would have done one or the other.
 
2013-04-26 12:30:23 PM
Not a documentary on the last of Oz?
 
2013-04-26 12:31:05 PM
The writers and HBO themselves basically welcome pirate views. Since they aren't stuck in the pre-Internet darkages (aside from their pricing model, seriously, get it together HBO).

http://www.npr.org/2013/04/07/176338400/pirates-steal-game-of-throne s- why-hbo-doesnt-mind

Viral advertising is the best kind of advertising and the more people who see it, legally or not, the better.
 
2013-04-26 12:31:40 PM
Oblig

Link

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2013-04-26 12:32:19 PM
Here's the full comic:

Link
 
2013-04-26 12:32:24 PM
I will just leave this here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0U3RE_NB0EA
 
2013-04-26 12:33:15 PM
Good.  That should put a stop to this "piracy" thing.  Now we can focus on the real scourge:  inviting your non-HBO-having friends over to your house for a viewing party.  Your friends are criminals.  Thieving, freeloading vultures, the lot of them.
 
2013-04-26 12:33:32 PM
wasn't there a rumor not too long ago that HBO was considering to allow HBO GO to be available to non-HBO subscribers?
 
2013-04-26 12:34:00 PM

Igor Jakovsky: there really is no need to dl it with torrents if you can just stream it for free about an hour after the broadcast. Or you could do what i did and call up comcast and biatch about the rates and they may not only lower your rate but give you more channels and hbo for free. i called them and threatened to go to uverse. they knocked $25 a month off my bill gave me their upper tier package with hbo for free. if they are doing things like that they must actually feel threatened by uverse or people cutting off the cable in general. if they had not helped me out i would have done one or the other.


You've got leverage because Comcast has competition in your area. Sadly, not every region has that advantage.
 
2013-04-26 12:34:09 PM
Yes, because you want to get a country that started out as a prison for criminals and is home to the most deadly of animals mad at you.
 
2013-04-26 12:34:16 PM
People's ability to justify taking things because they aren't available the way that they want them is astounding. No one has to pirate anything, they choose to because they can't get it.

B-b-b-but there's a TV SHOW, and I WANT IT and, I can't get it so I guess I have to steal it! It's HBO's fault!

/bracing for wildfire attack
 
2013-04-26 12:34:20 PM

impaler: Here's the full comic:

Link


Dammit, I'm about 2 minutes too slow.
 
2013-04-26 12:34:51 PM

bukijin: If there was a way of watching it without subscribing to fox cable or using an apple product then I would be very happy to pay for it.

But frankly GOT has bigger problems than illegal downloads...like how about finishing the books !! The TV series is just distracting the man from his writing. Back to work !


The show is better than the books. Yeah, I said it.

Weaver95: Since when did this become the unites states of HBO? This isn't something the us government should be overly concerned about.


Well, the copy right office is part of the US government. And it is nice to see feds sticking up for a US company.
 
2013-04-26 12:35:39 PM

Igor Jakovsky: there really is no need to dl it with torrents if you can just stream it for free about an hour after the broadcast. Or you could do what i did and call up comcast and biatch about the rates and they may not only lower your rate but give you more channels and hbo for free. i called them and threatened to go to uverse. they knocked $25 a month off my bill gave me their upper tier package with hbo for free. if they are doing things like that they must actually feel threatened by uverse or people cutting off the cable in general. if they had not helped me out i would have done one or the other.


I biatched about my rates a while ago, and they kinda hinted they'd give me HBO but I was trying to bring my bill down, so I told them no. Kind of regret it, honestly. I probably gain anything in cash off by turning down HBO.

A friend just lets me borrow his HBOGO password, so I watch it the next day.
 
2013-04-26 12:35:41 PM

bukijin: But frankly GOT has bigger problems than illegal downloads...like how about finishing the books !! The TV series is just distracting the man from his writing. Back to work !


Tell the truth, considering the discombobulated mess that is the latter books, maybe this wouldn't be so bad.  The TV writers could finish the story without fifty pages of food porn and five hundred new and irrelevant characters.
 
2013-04-26 12:35:46 PM

ha-ha-guy: Now you're just playing the idiot. Most people with an IQ above a radish can read the implied context of "had to pirate due to lack of availability via digital distribution channels, unlike the vast majority of other current shows". If you can't, I feel sorry for you.


Translation: i have decided that i want a thing but i do not like the price point/distribution model that it is offered for.  Thus instead of doing without - which heaven forfend i could not possibly do for some reason -  I shall obtain it without paying.  I shall also indicate that this decision to obtain something that i wanted in an extra legal fashion was somehow someone else's fault.  Because damn it i have a right to watch that show the way i want to - its in the constitution or somethin'.
 
2013-04-26 12:36:43 PM

ha-ha-guy: bukijin: If there was a way of watching it without subscribing to fox cable or using an apple product then I would be very happy to pay for it.

But frankly GOT has bigger problems than illegal downloads...like how about finishing the books !! The TV series is just distracting the man from his writing. Back to work !

Honestly this season the people doing the writing for the show have started to prove they don't really need Martin to finish it up at this point.  They've made a lot of good decisions in terms of cutting out some of the secondary characters and streamlining the plot.  Odds are they can bring the series to a clean end even if Martin pulls a Robert Jordan.  Martin gets the credit for the world building, but he's only nice to have at this point.

/plus supposedly HBO made him provide an outline for the rest of the series before agreeing to film it, so they have the major plot lines all sketched out


That's so true actually. The TV series plot does run better and smoother than the books. The feeling I get is that he just started writing and let his characters wander where they would without a scheme to actually tie it all together and finish the book. And I estimate he has at least 3 more books to go - so what's that ? another 10-15 yrs ??
 
2013-04-26 12:36:52 PM

Teiritzamna: ha-ha-guy: Now you're just playing the idiot. Most people with an IQ above a radish can read the implied context of "had to pirate due to lack of availability via digital distribution channels, unlike the vast majority of other current shows". If you can't, I feel sorry for you.

Translation: i have decided that i want a thing but i do not like the price point/distribution model that it is offered for.  Thus instead of doing without - which heaven forfend i could not possibly do for some reason -  I shall obtain it without paying.  I shall also indicate that this decision to obtain something that i wanted in an extra legal fashion was somehow someone else's fault.  Because damn it i have a right to watch that show the way i want to - its in the constitution or somethin'.


I'm just the invisible hand of the market and you're a troll, such is life.
 
2013-04-26 12:37:39 PM
I also enjoyed this caption:

This is a publicity image released by HBO of Sean Bean portraying Eddard Stark in a scene from the HBO series, "Game of Thrones."

WE DIDN'T PIRATE THIS PICTURE!  PUBLICITY IMAGE!  OFFICIALLY RELEASED!  DON'T HIT ME!
 
2013-04-26 12:39:00 PM

Brittabot: I refuse to pay close to $25 a month for a movie package just so I can watch one channel one hour a week.

That said, I'd be more than willing to pay per episode or per season if I could download the show the same night it plays on television.

Since I can't do that, my only other option is to use less than legal means to get the show.

/Canadian



No. I agree with everything you said, except that part.  I really want to watch Game of Thrones, but I don't, for the reasons you've listed here. But I (and you) am not entitled to watch the show. I am unwilling to purchase the service at the prices they offer, so I do not. Pirating the show only sends the message that the DRM isn't "good enough".
 
2013-04-26 12:39:02 PM

Teiritzamna: ha-ha-guy: Now you're just playing the idiot. Most people with an IQ above a radish can read the implied context of "had to pirate due to lack of availability via digital distribution channels, unlike the vast majority of other current shows". If you can't, I feel sorry for you.

Translation: i have decided that i want a thing but i do not like the price point/distribution model that it is offered for.  Thus instead of doing without - which heaven forfend i could not possibly do for some reason -  I shall obtain it without paying.  I shall also indicate that this decision to obtain something that i wanted in an extra legal fashion was somehow someone else's fault.  Because damn it i have a right to watch that show the way i want to - its in the constitution or somethin'.


The RIAA and MPAA aren't going to fark you.
 
2013-04-26 12:39:53 PM
HBO set game of thrones up so that you are almost forced to pirate the damn thing if you want to see it on time and not buy their entire gotdamn cable channel.
 
2013-04-26 12:41:30 PM

bukijin: That's so true actually. The TV series plot does run better and smoother than the books. The feeling I get is that he just started writing and let his characters wander where they would without a scheme to actually tie it all together and finish the book. And I estimate he has at least 3 more books to go - so what's that ? another 10-15 yrs ??


At his classic pace, definitely.  I'm kind of figuring at this point, pride will push him to release the books ahead of each season and I'm sure HBO will encourage him to do so.  Of course that might mean that crap gets rushed out the door, the most recent book wasn't that great, so I'm waiting to see if he can get things back together for the next one or not.

A concern for me is I haven't really enjoyed Martin's other works.  He's not terrible, but I've read some of his other works while waiting for GoT books and I wasn't very impressed.  I'm starting to worry that he mostly got lucky with GoT and he can't actually produce that caliber of work on demand, hence the big delays early in the series.
 
2013-04-26 12:42:49 PM
One of the HBO execs said he didn't really mind the mass pirating of GoT. His main objection was that the visual quality wouldn't be up to snuff.
http://insidetv.ew.com/2013/03/31/hbo-thrones-piracy/
 
2013-04-26 12:43:48 PM
That dude's more worried about GoT piracy than HBO.  Their biggest piracy concern is that people are putting up low quality versions that don't let people see the amazing production quality of the original material.

http://insidetv.ew.com/2013/03/31/hbo-thrones-piracy/
 
2013-04-26 12:44:07 PM

bukijin: If there was a way of watching it without subscribing to fox cable or using an apple product then I would be very happy to pay for it.

But frankly GOT has bigger problems than illegal downloads...like how about finishing the books !! The TV series is just distracting the man from his writing. Back to work !


I'm a big fan of the show so I was going to read the series. I wanted to make sure it was worth it so I checked it out a little. I hate to spoil everyone's fun but as the story moves along it becomes clear the author has created a mess with way to many storylines and characters with no sign of any decent conclusion. His books are getting very wordy, without movIng along the story, which is really bad considering The most recent GoT book had a more stories and characters than the bible. I hope he brings in another writer or even a team to help him salvage the work.
 
2013-04-26 12:45:53 PM

Mosrael: The writers and HBO themselves basically welcome pirate views. Since they aren't stuck in the pre-Internet darkages (aside from their pricing model, seriously, get it together HBO).

http://www.npr.org/2013/04/07/176338400/pirates-steal-game-of-throne s- why-hbo-doesnt-mind

Viral advertising is the best kind of advertising and the more people who see it, legally or not, the better.


I've also heard claims that HBO is stuck with its godawful distribution model due to contracts with the cable companies and certain HBO executives being old and fearing change.  Basically they're risk averse and like that Comcast just pays them a set amount of money every year.  So some of the folk at HBO are welcoming the piracy because they can go make charts that say "If 70% of the pirates bought our shows at 3 dollars per episode, we'd all have gold plated yachts, so fark these deals with the cable companies!"
 
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