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(CBS Sports)   Buffalo trading down to take the 4th best QB in the draft a round and a half too high was all part of the plan. A moronic, incomprehensible plan that is doomed to fail, but a plan nonetheless   (cbssports.com ) divider line
    More: Fail, Joe Staley, Osi Umenyiora, Darrelle Revis, Ryan Nassib, Eric Fisher, Blaine Gabbert, E.J. Manuel, Geno Smith  
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2013-04-26 02:14:05 PM  
Have faith, Buffalo.  Any draft "expert" who says "you could have had him a round later" is either a mind reader or 100% full of shiat.  If you want a guy and think he's good enough for that pick, take him.
 
2013-04-26 02:19:09 PM  
When Sports Science compares him to Colin Kaepernick, I'm pretty happy. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOLEMyMkDdU&feature=youtu.be 

He's a big QB, 6'4" 260, 4.6 40-yd dash, 37" vertical. He's going to Marrone and his QB coach whom developed Nassib. Given that the Bills literally looked at every QB prospect, and did the due diligence, I think he'll surprise.

Keep in mind that everyone questioned Spiller when we got him, and look how he turned out.
 
2013-04-26 02:23:57 PM  
As a bills fan, Ive suffered through several years of horribly mismanaged drafts and lackluster players, but I was actually happy with how they handled it. I would bet they were trying to trade further back and couldnt make it happen. So they had to pick a QB at 16. I'm happy with the pick but would have been happy with Nassib or Barkley too. Geno Smith doesnt give me alot of confidence. Hes got some character issues as well. EJ seems solid. As a cuse fan, I wouldve liked to have seen Nassib.
 
2013-04-26 02:32:51 PM  

phimuskapsi: Keep in mind that everyone questioned Spiller when we got him, and look how he turned out.


It's not really fair to compare picking Manuel to picking Spiller. Manuel is a big reach where they got him. There's a good chance Manuel would still be available for their 2nd round pick. Spiller was not considered a reach. Many actually considered him to be the best available... The reason the pick was questioned was because they already had Fred Jackson and Marshawn Lynch on the roster. It didn't make a lot of sense to pick up another RB when the team had so many other pressing needs.
 
2013-04-26 02:43:51 PM  

phimuskapsi: When Sports Science compares him to Colin Kaepernick, I'm pretty happy. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOLEMyMkDdU&feature=youtu.be 

He's a big QB, 6'4" 260, 4.6 40-yd dash, 37" vertical. He's going to Marrone and his QB coach whom developed Nassib. Given that the Bills literally looked at every QB prospect, and did the due diligence, I think he'll surprise.

Keep in mind that everyone questioned Spiller when we got him, and look how he turned out.


His release in that video was much better than it is on the field. In game situations, his throwing motion has a slight hitch that delays release a fraction of a second (a huge deal in the NFL). Clearly this shows he's working on correcting it, but making good throws during a workout is much easier than when 300-pound linemen are bearing down on you. Hopefully he can keep up this improved motion.... it's very difficult to change your muscle memory when you've been doing something one way for years.
 
2013-04-26 02:47:57 PM  

bhcompy: Gunderson: And the Jets trade a CB that some rate as highest in the league in order to get a draft pick so they can grab an unproven CB...

Yes, it's called business.  The Jets trading Revis is the smartest thing they could have done.  They are going nowhere this year, Revis is coming off a very bad injury for a corner, and his contract was due soon, and he's expensive.  Having the best players isn't always the best choice for your team


Still baffled me how people don't understand this. Not every team is the farking Yankees...there are salary caps in place, and paying a guy 13m on a rebuilding team was idiotic at best.
 
2013-04-26 02:48:35 PM  
Manuel is a development project and very well may not pan out, but to say that Barkley, Smith, and Nassib are better is ridiculous.  Barkley is a spaghetti arm QB who, like his predecessors, will not make it in the NFL.  Marrone coached Nassib at Syracuse, and even he took a pass on him.  And all that crap about Smith being a first round QB was just that--crap.

I wish Buffalo hadn't taken any QB in this draft, but they felt forced to because of Nix's negligence in not drafting a QB last year when there was a good crop.  So, they pulled the trigger early and got the best prospect this year instead of scraping by for a year with Kolb and going after one next year.  They'll pay for it in the short term because they passed up on talent that could help them immediately, but no one can tell right now how Manuel will turn out in the long-term.

I am just keeping my fingers crossed that the Jets take Geno and guarantee more years of offensive misery for them in the AFC East.  Go Jets!  Take Geno!
 
2013-04-26 03:02:00 PM  

Supes: phimuskapsi: When Sports Science compares him to Colin Kaepernick, I'm pretty happy. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOLEMyMkDdU&feature=youtu.be 

He's a big QB, 6'4" 260, 4.6 40-yd dash, 37" vertical. He's going to Marrone and his QB coach whom developed Nassib. Given that the Bills literally looked at every QB prospect, and did the due diligence, I think he'll surprise.

Keep in mind that everyone questioned Spiller when we got him, and look how he turned out.

His release in that video was much better than it is on the field. In game situations, his throwing motion has a slight hitch that delays release a fraction of a second (a huge deal in the NFL). Clearly this shows he's working on correcting it, but making good throws during a workout is much easier than when 300-pound linemen are bearing down on you. Hopefully he can keep up this improved motion.... it's very difficult to change your muscle memory when you've been doing something one way for years.


What I've read about his throw is that he is the ONLY QB in the draft that brings the ball up to his ear before throwing it, and has a good release. 

rosterwatch.com 

http://www.wgr550.com/Breaking-down-EJ-Manuel-as-a-passer/16167930#. UX qEHBoWWcQ.facebook
 
2013-04-26 03:03:13 PM  

BEER_ME_in_CT: As a bills fan, Ive suffered through several years of horribly mismanaged drafts and lackluster players, but I was actually happy with how they handled it. I would bet they were trying to trade further back and couldnt make it happen. So they had to pick a QB at 16. I'm happy with the pick but would have been happy with Nassib or Barkley too. Geno Smith doesnt give me alot of confidence. Hes got some character issues as well. EJ seems solid. As a cuse fan, I wouldve liked to have seen Nassib.


This is essentially what happend to the Seahawks last year. They got one trade down and then couldn't make another happen, so they drafted Bruce Irvin and everyone yelled that it was a horrible reach. Oh well, 10 sacks.
 
2013-04-26 03:06:10 PM  
As another note, Nix has done well for the Bills:

CJ Spiller
Stephon Gilmore
Dareus 

All first round picks, all awesome. In fact his first round hit percentage is really good:

http://boards.buffalobills.com/showthread.php?400720-Nix-1st-rd-draf t- history-since-2001 

As a note he was a scout in 2009, he was not responsible for the Maybin debacle. That was allllll Jauron.
 
2013-04-26 03:09:13 PM  
I think they could have gotten him in the 2nd round.

Maybe they were afraid Jacksonville or Philly would grab him, but even if they did the Bills could have gotten one of the other guys. There isn't a huge difference between those guys, even if you think Manuel has the most "potential" (love that word, potential gets your ass fired), right now they are pretty similar.
 
2013-04-26 03:11:34 PM  
Whatever you think about Manuel, he's no more of a reach than the Dolphins trading up to take Jordan with the 3rd pick.  What a joke.
 
2013-04-26 03:12:15 PM  

js34603: I think they could have gotten him in the 2nd round.

Maybe they were afraid Jacksonville or Philly would grab him, but even if they did the Bills could have gotten one of the other guys. There isn't a huge difference between those guys, even if you think Manuel has the most "potential" (love that word, potential gets your ass fired), right now they are pretty similar.


Philly said they were gonna get him in the second.  http://www.csnphilly.com/football-philadelphia-eagles/ej-manuel-eagle s -they-want-me-pretty-bad
 
2013-04-26 03:40:58 PM  

phimuskapsi: js34603: I think they could have gotten him in the 2nd round.

Maybe they were afraid Jacksonville or Philly would grab him, but even if they did the Bills could have gotten one of the other guys. There isn't a huge difference between those guys, even if you think Manuel has the most "potential" (love that word, potential gets your ass fired), right now they are pretty similar.

Philly said they were gonna get him in the second.  http://www.csnphilly.com/football-philadelphia-eagles/ej-manuel-eagle s -they-want-me-pretty-bad


Actually, he said the Eagles wanted him. They didn't say anything.

But maybe they did. And if the Eagles took him, the Bills had the choice of the other QBs, who weren't significantly different but could have been has a round (or more) later.
 
2013-04-26 03:44:30 PM  
Anyone got video of Smith melting down?
 
2013-04-26 03:46:59 PM  

js34603: the Bills had the choice of the other QBs, who weren't significantly different but could have been has a round (or more) later.


But they are significantly different.  All have different strengths and weaknesses -- Smith has flashed the most, Barkley has the most experience and poise, Matt Scott is the most mobile, Glennon is the biggest, Bray is the next-biggest and has the strongest arm, and Manuel probably has the best overall combination of size, mobility and arm strength.  The Bills scouted them all intensively and decided Manuel is the one they liked best in terms of potential and scheme fit, and they had no way of knowing if he would be available any later.
 
2013-04-26 03:47:22 PM  

Moopy Mac: drewsclues: Gunderson: jayhawk88: The Jets are in complete rebuilding mode, they're drafting for 3 years away not next year.

I love the euphemism "Rebuilding".  I interpret that as meaning "We have a craptastic owner, A GM that has no idea how to negotiate contracts or pick a good draft pick, a Head coach that blows ass, and players that are either prima-donnas or should be playing in the NJ penal league".

/funny how I can't remember the last time I heard that New England was in "rebuilding mode"....

The Pats are always in rebuilding mode. It's why they win all the time.

They win all the time because Tom Brady is their QB.


I'm not a New England fan in the slightest, but they did go 11-5 with Matt Cassel, aka "[Tom Brady] Rebuilding [his knee] mode"
 
2013-04-26 04:19:30 PM  

bhcompy: spanarkelspinner: ddam: 4th best? Who are the 3 better QBs? Barkley is a turnover machine with no arm strenght and Geno Smith can't go through the progression past the 2nd option. The Buffalo new coaches are very familiar with Manuel although I don't think he's a top 10 pick as there are question about his ability to read defenses as well. But if he can manage an offense his first two seasons like Big Ben did and then develop into a better pocket QB then the gamble will pay off for Buffalo.


Everyone and their mother seemingly expected the Bills to pic Nassib because of his ties to their new coach. He didn't, now everyone is shartin' their pants over it. It's a weak QB draft anyway. Regardless, if Manuel lasts 4 seasons with them, I'll be impressed.

I don't think any QB will last 4 seasons in Beefalo.  They should have drafted an O-line.  A whole new one.


the bills are the hipsters of the league this draft i guess, they lose levitre and rather than rebuild their O-line in maybe the most talented O-line draft ever they draft a young athletic QB to run around instead
 
2013-04-26 04:21:16 PM  

phimuskapsi: Supes: phimuskapsi: When Sports Science compares him to Colin Kaepernick, I'm pretty happy. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOLEMyMkDdU&feature=youtu.be 

He's a big QB, 6'4" 260, 4.6 40-yd dash, 37" vertical. He's going to Marrone and his QB coach whom developed Nassib. Given that the Bills literally looked at every QB prospect, and did the due diligence, I think he'll surprise.

Keep in mind that everyone questioned Spiller when we got him, and look how he turned out.

His release in that video was much better than it is on the field. In game situations, his throwing motion has a slight hitch that delays release a fraction of a second (a huge deal in the NFL). Clearly this shows he's working on correcting it, but making good throws during a workout is much easier than when 300-pound linemen are bearing down on you. Hopefully he can keep up this improved motion.... it's very difficult to change your muscle memory when you've been doing something one way for years.

What I've read about his throw is that he is the ONLY QB in the draft that brings the ball up to his ear before throwing it, and has a good release. 

[rosterwatch.com image 594x407] 

http://www.wgr550.com/Breaking-down-EJ-Manuel-as-a-passer/16167930#. UX qEHBoWWcQ.facebook


Trust me, scouts disagree on seemingly fundamental things like this. You only need to impress one team to be taken high.
 
2013-04-26 04:26:04 PM  

Triple Oak: Moopy Mac: drewsclues: Gunderson: jayhawk88: The Jets are in complete rebuilding mode, they're drafting for 3 years away not next year.

I love the euphemism "Rebuilding".  I interpret that as meaning "We have a craptastic owner, A GM that has no idea how to negotiate contracts or pick a good draft pick, a Head coach that blows ass, and players that are either prima-donnas or should be playing in the NJ penal league".

/funny how I can't remember the last time I heard that New England was in "rebuilding mode"....

The Pats are always in rebuilding mode. It's why they win all the time.

They win all the time because Tom Brady is their QB.

I'm not a New England fan in the slightest, but they did go 11-5 with Matt Cassel, aka "[Tom Brady] Rebuilding [his knee] mode"


that was the 18-1 team coming back for a second try, one of the few years they weren't in rebuilding mode and likely would've been in the super bowl instead of the steelers had pollard not happened
 
2013-04-26 04:35:07 PM  
The other QBs were all different from Manuel.  Anyone saying they're simply interchangeable doesn't know what they're talking about.  The Bills looked at all of the prospects very closely, and as they have made clear, Manuel was clearly their choice.  After months analyzing the situation, they were simply not interested in Smith, Barkley, or Nassib for their program.  And with some teams looking for a QB in the first/second round, they had no idea whether Manuel would be there.

So, you and I may not like where he was taken, but the Bills didn't just wait to take whatever was left to them.  They identified the guy they liked and took him.

If anything, the Bills' major mistake was not in this draft, it was in last year's draft.  Instead of giving Fitzpatrick a cushy deal, they should have seen him for what he was and picked up a good QB in last year's draft.  They're paying now for Nix's failure to be bold when it most counted.
 
2013-04-26 05:55:43 PM  
Manuel may not have been there in the 40s, but he CERTAINLY would've been there in the first few picks of the second round.

Buffalo should have traded down again.
Of course, considering everything the Pats received fora a late first-round pick, maybe Buffalo should've got more in the first f*cking place for trading down.
 
2013-04-26 07:00:46 PM  

phimuskapsi: Supes: phimuskapsi: When Sports Science compares him to Colin Kaepernick, I'm pretty happy. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOLEMyMkDdU&feature=youtu.be 

He's a big QB, 6'4" 260, 4.6 40-yd dash, 37" vertical. He's going to Marrone and his QB coach whom developed Nassib. Given that the Bills literally looked at every QB prospect, and did the due diligence, I think he'll surprise.

Keep in mind that everyone questioned Spiller when we got him, and look how he turned out.

His release in that video was much better than it is on the field. In game situations, his throwing motion has a slight hitch that delays release a fraction of a second (a huge deal in the NFL). Clearly this shows he's working on correcting it, but making good throws during a workout is much easier than when 300-pound linemen are bearing down on you. Hopefully he can keep up this improved motion.... it's very difficult to change your muscle memory when you've been doing something one way for years.

What I've read about his throw is that he is the ONLY QB in the draft that brings the ball up to his ear before throwing it, and has a good release. 

http://www.wgr550.com/Breaking-down-EJ-Manuel-as-a-passer/16167930#. UX qEHBoWWcQ.facebook


Thanks for posting that link, that's interesting. Almost all I know about him was from his Gruden QB camp, so it's nice to see that writeup.
 
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