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(CBS Sports)   Buffalo trading down to take the 4th best QB in the draft a round and a half too high was all part of the plan. A moronic, incomprehensible plan that is doomed to fail, but a plan nonetheless   (cbssports.com) divider line 73
    More: Fail, Joe Staley, Osi Umenyiora, Darrelle Revis, Ryan Nassib, Eric Fisher, Blaine Gabbert, E.J. Manuel, Geno Smith  
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2013-04-26 11:25:40 AM  
And the Jets trade a CB that some rate as highest in the league in order to get a draft pick so they can grab an unproven CB...
 
2013-04-26 11:29:41 AM  
This just in:  Gullible Mormon who grew up on an island not drafted yet.
 
2013-04-26 11:32:15 AM  

greenbowlpacker: This just in:  Gullible Mormon who grew up on an island not drafted yet.


"No, I don't see that name anywhere."

www.i4m.com
 
2013-04-26 11:33:44 AM  

greenbowlpacker: This just in:  Gullible Mormon who grew up on an island not drafted yet.


It's probably costing them too much to keep a dozen quarterbacks on the roster.
 
2013-04-26 11:34:39 AM  

Gunderson: And the Jets trade a CB that some rate as highest in the league in order to get a draft pick so they can grab an unproven CB...


Yes, it's called business.  The Jets trading Revis is the smartest thing they could have done.  They are going nowhere this year, Revis is coming off a very bad injury for a corner, and his contract was due soon, and he's expensive.  Having the best players isn't always the best choice for your team
 
2013-04-26 11:35:00 AM  

bsharitt: greenbowlpacker: This just in:  Gullible Mormon who grew up on an island not drafted yet.

It's probably costing them too much to keep a dozen quarterbacks on the roster.


I may have quoted the wrong post. Out of two that were there.
 
2013-04-26 11:36:05 AM  

Gunderson: And the Jets trade a CB that some rate as highest in the league in order to get a draft pick so they can grab an unproven CB...


...and, you know, save roughly $13M/season in cap space, and retain him for the next 4 seasons.
 
2013-04-26 11:37:44 AM  

Gunderson: And the Jets trade a CB that some rate as highest in the league in order to get a draft pick so they can grab an unproven CB...


AND a conditional third-round draft pick next year.  That's totally going to be the difference-maker that puts that team over the top! You can bet on it!

/Meanwhile, they still own the Broncos $1.5 M for Tebow.
 
2013-04-26 11:48:44 AM  

Arkanaut: /Meanwhile, they still own the Broncos $1.5 M for Tebow.


I certainly hope that Tebow saved some faith for a good financial planner for his sake.  He's not going to trick very many more teams into mistaking him for a QB.

/If he DOES go the CFL, which he won't, it's unlikely he'll be making much above low six figures
 
2013-04-26 11:52:12 AM  
Wow, the league sure has an erection for read option QBs.
 
2013-04-26 11:53:37 AM  
4th best? Who are the 3 better QBs? Barkley is a turnover machine with no arm strenght and Geno Smith can't go through the progression past the 2nd option. The Buffalo new coaches are very familiar with Manuel although I don't think he's a top 10 pick as there are question about his ability to read defenses as well. But if he can manage an offense his first two seasons like Big Ben did and then develop into a better pocket QB then the gamble will pay off for Buffalo.
 
2013-04-26 11:58:10 AM  

Gunderson: And the Jets trade a CB that some rate as highest in the league in order to get a draft pick so they can grab an unproven CB...


The Jets are in complete rebuilding mode, they're drafting for 3 years away not next year.
 
2013-04-26 11:58:48 AM  

ddam: 4th best? Who are the 3 better QBs? Barkley is a turnover machine with no arm strenght and Geno Smith can't go through the progression past the 2nd option. The Buffalo new coaches are very familiar with Manuel although I don't think he's a top 10 pick as there are question about his ability to read defenses as well. But if he can manage an offense his first two seasons like Big Ben did and then develop into a better pocket QB then the gamble will pay off for Buffalo.



Everyone and their mother seemingly expected the Bills to pic Nassib because of his ties to their new coach. He didn't, now everyone is shartin' their pants over it. It's a weak QB draft anyway. Regardless, if Manuel lasts 4 seasons with them, I'll be impressed.
 
2013-04-26 12:01:45 PM  

ddam: 4th best? Who are the 3 better QBs? Barkley is a turnover machine with no arm strenght and Geno Smith can't go through the progression past the 2nd option. The Buffalo new coaches are very familiar with Manuel although I don't think he's a top 10 pick as there are question about his ability to read defenses as well. But if he can manage an offense his first two seasons like Big Ben did and then develop into a better pocket QB then the gamble will pay off for Buffalo.


You draft for potential. Manuel has the highest potential of all qb s in this draft.

Best of luck to Smith. Hope he likes Jacksonville.
 
2013-04-26 12:01:55 PM  

spanarkelspinner: ddam: 4th best? Who are the 3 better QBs? Barkley is a turnover machine with no arm strenght and Geno Smith can't go through the progression past the 2nd option. The Buffalo new coaches are very familiar with Manuel although I don't think he's a top 10 pick as there are question about his ability to read defenses as well. But if he can manage an offense his first two seasons like Big Ben did and then develop into a better pocket QB then the gamble will pay off for Buffalo.


Everyone and their mother seemingly expected the Bills to pic Nassib because of his ties to their new coach. He didn't, now everyone is shartin' their pants over it. It's a weak QB draft anyway. Regardless, if Manuel lasts 4 seasons with them, I'll be impressed.


I don't think any QB will last 4 seasons in Beefalo.  They should have drafted an O-line.  A whole new one.
 
2013-04-26 12:04:19 PM  

JohnHall: and, you know, save roughly $13M/season in cap space


Unless the CB actually is good, then he will refuse to report to season 2's training camp until they give him a new contract for $13/mill a year


images1.wikia.nocookie.net

The Jets are payers.
 
2013-04-26 12:09:24 PM  

ddam: 4th best? Who are the 3 better QBs? Barkley is a turnover machine with no arm strenght and Geno Smith can't go through the progression past the 2nd option. The Buffalo new coaches are very familiar with Manuel although I don't think he's a top 10 pick as there are question about his ability to read defenses as well. But if he can manage an offense his first two seasons like Big Ben did and then develop into a better pocket QB then the gamble will pay off for Buffalo.


Y'know, I agree with you there aren't 3 better QBs, and actually said in the thread yesterday that I thought Manuel should be the first QB off the board.

But he still shouldn't have been taken this high. He's the best prospect, but I have no faith in him, Smith, Nassib or Barkley to succeed at an NFL level, and don't think any of them warranted a first round pick. It wouldn't surprise me at all if no QBs are starting from this draft in about 3 or 4 years. And if one is starting, it might be some random player from the later rounds (keep an eye on Tyler Bray.... for all his admitted shortcomings, his height and quick release are great in the current pass-happy NFL).
 
2013-04-26 12:09:35 PM  

JohnHall: Gunderson: And the Jets trade a CB that some rate as highest in the league in order to get a draft pick so they can grab an unproven CB...

...and, you know, save roughly $13M/season in cap space, and retain him for the next 4 seasons.


If Tannenbaum wasn't a f*cking idiot, they could have had a lot more cap flexibility by the end of this last season where actually keeping Revis may have been option (I still would want to trade him since they're clearly in rebuilding mode, but I digress).

But, see, Tannenbaum is a f*cking idiot who put the Jets in cap hell which ignited their slow descent into crapness.
 
2013-04-26 12:10:44 PM  

Gunderson: JohnHall: and, you know, save roughly $13M/season in cap space

Unless the CB actually is good, then he will refuse to report to season 2's training camp until they give him a new contract for $13/mill a year


[images1.wikia.nocookie.net image 462x308]

The Jets are payers.


Well then you still have the good CB, except he's not injured and younger.
That is, if he is good.
 
2013-04-26 12:12:17 PM  

Gunderson: And the Jets trade a CB that some rate as highest in the league in order to get a draft pick so they can grab an unproven CB...


... and not deal with a player holding out who wants $15M/year on a rebuilt ACL?
 
2013-04-26 12:15:09 PM  

Supes: ddam: 4th best? Who are the 3 better QBs? Barkley is a turnover machine with no arm strenght and Geno Smith can't go through the progression past the 2nd option. The Buffalo new coaches are very familiar with Manuel although I don't think he's a top 10 pick as there are question about his ability to read defenses as well. But if he can manage an offense his first two seasons like Big Ben did and then develop into a better pocket QB then the gamble will pay off for Buffalo.

Y'know, I agree with you there aren't 3 better QBs, and actually said in the thread yesterday that I thought Manuel should be the first QB off the board.

But he still shouldn't have been taken this high. He's the best prospect, but I have no faith in him, Smith, Nassib or Barkley to succeed at an NFL level, and don't think any of them warranted a first round pick. It wouldn't surprise me at all if no QBs are starting from this draft in about 3 or 4 years. And if one is starting, it might be some random player from the later rounds (keep an eye on Tyler Bray.... for all his admitted shortcomings, his height and quick release are great in the current pass-happy NFL).


I don't think that really matters at this point.  It used to be a big deal before the rookie wage scale when this would mean the Bills blew their salary cap for the next 5 years on a question mark.  But now they'll have the best QB prospect - maybe the only good one - and they won't have to be tied to him for half a decade if he sucks.  And he probably wouldn't have been available with their next pick.

Then again, this is the Bills we're talking about, so while I like EJ Manuel and I think they did the right thing, I also think it's safe to say that it won't work out.
 
2013-04-26 12:15:11 PM  

Supes: keep an eye on Tyler Bray


Wilson wouldn't shock me, either.

/not any particularly big SEC fan
 
2013-04-26 12:16:40 PM  

jayhawk88: The Jets are in complete rebuilding mode, they're drafting for 3 years away not next year.


I love the euphemism "Rebuilding".  I interpret that as meaning "We have a craptastic owner, A GM that has no idea how to negotiate contracts or pick a good draft pick, a Head coach that blows ass, and players that are either prima-donnas or should be playing in the NJ penal league".

/funny how I can't remember the last time I heard that New England was in "rebuilding mode"....
 
2013-04-26 12:17:20 PM  
I'm a Florida State fan living in Tallahassee. I like EJ Manuel; he's a good man, a decent quarterback and has an IQ for the game.

That said, I don't think his style of play will survive in the NFL. At the moment, accuracy is inconsistent, as are the checkdown progressions. He telegraphs with his eyes and shoulders, and has had his bell rung several times making future concussions that much easier.

In the long run, I think he'll be a better coach than QB. Not the QB I'd have gone with if I was the Bills.
 
2013-04-26 12:18:19 PM  

AdmirableSnackbar: And he probably wouldn't have been available with their next pick.


I respectfully disagree with this statement, which, at the end of the day, is what makes the move such an overall head-scratcher to me, certainly more than any doubt of Manuel to begin with.  (As mentioned ad naseum, there are doubts about all of these QBs.)
 
2013-04-26 12:21:50 PM  

ten foiled hats: AdmirableSnackbar: And he probably wouldn't have been available with their next pick.

I respectfully disagree with this statement, which, at the end of the day, is what makes the move such an overall head-scratcher to me, certainly more than any doubt of Manuel to begin with.  (As mentioned ad naseum, there are doubts about all of these QBs.)


Actually, I wouldn't have been surprised to see the Eagles grab Manuel either with the 3rd pick of the 2nd round, or trading up into the bottom of the first. The feeling is that he was better suited to learn Kelly's offense than any of the other ones.
 
2013-04-26 12:22:55 PM  

dj_spanmaster: I'm a Florida State fan living in Tallahassee. I like EJ Manuel; he's a good man, a decent quarterback and has an IQ for the game.

That said, I don't think his style of play will survive in the NFL. At the moment, accuracy is inconsistent, as are the checkdown progressions. He telegraphs with his eyes and shoulders, and has had his bell rung several times making future concussions that much easier.

In the long run, I think he'll be a better coach than QB. Not the QB I'd have gone with if I was the Bills.


I'm a 'Canes fan living in Orlando.  I like the fact that E.J. Manuel is not playing for ___ anymore.  (Although this new guy you guys have scares me.  And Miami's entire defense scares me.) But honestly, I wouldn't be shocked if, say, Barkley, doesn't ever start.  With Kolb, I don't hate the selection, I just question the timing.
 
2013-04-26 12:23:29 PM  

Gunderson: JohnHall: and, you know, save roughly $13M/season in cap space

Unless the CB actually is good, then he will refuse to report to season 2's training camp until they give him a new contract for $13/mill a year




The Jets are payers.


New CBA doesn't allow for that, thank God. Richard Sherman and Russell Wilson are both still going to make under a million this season because the CBA states that their contracts can't be renegotiated yet. I think Wilson can't be renegotiated until after 2014.
 
2013-04-26 12:24:34 PM  

Joe_diGriz: ten foiled hats: AdmirableSnackbar: And he probably wouldn't have been available with their next pick.

I respectfully disagree with this statement, which, at the end of the day, is what makes the move such an overall head-scratcher to me, certainly more than any doubt of Manuel to begin with.  (As mentioned ad naseum, there are doubts about all of these QBs.)

Actually, I wouldn't have been surprised to see the Eagles grab Manuel either with the 3rd pick of the 2nd round, or trading up into the bottom of the first. The feeling is that he was better suited to learn Kelly's offense than any of the other ones.


Yup, and with the Cardinals, Vikings, and Jets also lurking around the Bills' pick it's not likely that Manuel would be there at 41.
 
2013-04-26 12:24:48 PM  

Gunderson: jayhawk88: The Jets are in complete rebuilding mode, they're drafting for 3 years away not next year.

I love the euphemism "Rebuilding".  I interpret that as meaning "We have a craptastic owner, A GM that has no idea how to negotiate contracts or pick a good draft pick, a Head coach that blows ass, and players that are either prima-donnas or should be playing in the NJ penal league".

/funny how I can't remember the last time I heard that New England was in "rebuilding mode"....


The Pats are always in rebuilding mode. It's why they win all the time.
 
2013-04-26 12:27:33 PM  

Joe_diGriz: ten foiled hats: AdmirableSnackbar: And he probably wouldn't have been available with their next pick.

I respectfully disagree with this statement, which, at the end of the day, is what makes the move such an overall head-scratcher to me, certainly more than any doubt of Manuel to begin with.  (As mentioned ad naseum, there are doubts about all of these QBs.)

Actually, I wouldn't have been surprised to see the Eagles grab Manuel either with the 3rd pick of the 2nd round, or trading up into the bottom of the first. The feeling is that he was better suited to learn Kelly's offense than any of the other ones.


There was certainly the possibility.  Kelly's a wild card, and it would've been a crapshoot, no doubt.  I'd've figured he'd still be there, but if the Bills were that high on the guy, I guess it's the right move.  The more I think about it, there's just no real seperation between any of these guys.  I'd've maybe liked Barkley better, though.  Maybe.  I think his problems last year were more team problems than individual problems.  (Certainly debatable, though.)
 
2013-04-26 12:29:01 PM  

Gunderson: jayhawk88: The Jets are in complete rebuilding mode, they're drafting for 3 years away not next year.

I love the euphemism "Rebuilding".  I interpret that as meaning "We have a craptastic owner, A GM that has no idea how to negotiate contracts or pick a good draft pick, a Head coach that blows ass, and players that are either prima-donnas or should be playing in the NJ penal league".

/funny how I can't remember the last time I heard that New England was in "rebuilding mode"....


Well in their defense, they did get rid of the GM who had no idea how to negotiate contracts or pick a good draft pick. And they'll likely be rid of the head coach that blows ass after he guides them to a 4 or 5 win season this year.

But as for 'ole Woody? Well....
 
2013-04-26 12:33:59 PM  

drewsclues: Gunderson: jayhawk88: The Jets are in complete rebuilding mode, they're drafting for 3 years away not next year.

I love the euphemism "Rebuilding".  I interpret that as meaning "We have a craptastic owner, A GM that has no idea how to negotiate contracts or pick a good draft pick, a Head coach that blows ass, and players that are either prima-donnas or should be playing in the NJ penal league".

/funny how I can't remember the last time I heard that New England was in "rebuilding mode"....

The Pats are always in rebuilding mode. It's why they win all the time.


They win all the time because Tom Brady is their QB.
 
2013-04-26 12:34:08 PM  

ten foiled hats: Joe_diGriz: ten foiled hats: AdmirableSnackbar: And he probably wouldn't have been available with their next pick.

I respectfully disagree with this statement, which, at the end of the day, is what makes the move such an overall head-scratcher to me, certainly more than any doubt of Manuel to begin with.  (As mentioned ad naseum, there are doubts about all of these QBs.)

Actually, I wouldn't have been surprised to see the Eagles grab Manuel either with the 3rd pick of the 2nd round, or trading up into the bottom of the first. The feeling is that he was better suited to learn Kelly's offense than any of the other ones.

There was certainly the possibility.  Kelly's a wild card, and it would've been a crapshoot, no doubt.  I'd've figured he'd still be there, but if the Bills were that high on the guy, I guess it's the right move.  The more I think about it, there's just no real seperation between any of these guys.  I'd've maybe liked Barkley better, though.  Maybe.  I think his problems last year were more team problems than individual problems.  (Certainly debatable, though.)


Manuel doesn't have the negatives that Barkley or Geno Smith have.  I wouldn't touch Barkley - he reminds me of too many other USC QBs and we all know how they've done in the NFL and same goes for Smith because he is more of a runner than a thrower - his NCAA game was like Mike Vick but without the arm - and he seems like a bit of a head case to put it lightly.    Nassib wasn't even considered until his college coach became and NFL coach and said he would draft him.  If Buffalo agreed with those assessments, and I guess they did, then the choice makes a lot of sense, seeing as they only wanted one QB.
 
2013-04-26 12:39:09 PM  
When people are saying "Buffalo would have been better off taking Nassib with the 8th pick", you know its gonna be another long season.
 
2013-04-26 12:44:40 PM  

drewsclues: Gunderson: jayhawk88: The Jets are in complete rebuilding mode, they're drafting for 3 years away not next year.

I love the euphemism "Rebuilding".  I interpret that as meaning "We have a craptastic owner, A GM that has no idea how to negotiate contracts or pick a good draft pick, a Head coach that blows ass, and players that are either prima-donnas or should be playing in the NJ penal league".

/funny how I can't remember the last time I heard that New England was in "rebuilding mode"....

The Pats are always in rebuilding mode. It's why they win all the time.


One of the few teams in the league that has zero problems telling a cornerstone/fan favorite/consistent producer to take a walk. Most teams have to be hit over the head with the fact that a guy is no good to them anymore, Pats would rather they be good for someone else than take the chance that they decline in a NE uniform.
 
2013-04-26 12:54:47 PM  

AdmirableSnackbar: Manuel doesn't have the negatives that Barkley or Geno Smith have. I wouldn't touch Barkley - he reminds me of too many other USC QBs and we all know how they've done in the NFL and same goes for Smith because he is more of a runner than a thrower - his NCAA game was like Mike Vick but without the arm - and he seems like a bit of a head case to put it lightly. Nassib wasn't even considered until his college coach became and NFL coach and said he would draft him. If Buffalo agreed with those assessments, and I guess they did, then the choice makes a lot of sense, seeing as they only wanted one QB.


I don't love Manuel's decision making an awful lot of the time.  I don't think Smith's necessarily more of a runner, as both Tavon and Stedman Bailey had impressive numbers catching him.  Which of course in turn kind of inflates his passing numbers.  Without a doubt the same could be said for Barkley on both counts, but did you see that abysmal trainwreck of an O-line usc actually put on the field?

Either way, I have no doubt that Buffalo talked to everyone to varying degrees, and yeah, if that's their guy, well done.  It could very well look like a genius move in a few years.  (Of course, this being the Bills, forgive me if I have some doubts.  Although they could be applied across the board.)
 
2013-04-26 12:55:10 PM  

SlothB77: When people are saying "Buffalo would have been better off taking Nassib with the 8th pick", you know its gonna be another long season

said people don't know what they're talking about.
 
2013-04-26 12:56:35 PM  

greenbowlpacker: This just in:  Gullible Mormon who grew up on an island not drafted yet.


...and I went way too long without giving this a thumbs-up.

/IT'S MUY OUYLAND!
 
2013-04-26 12:57:22 PM  
As was pointed out on Twitter: The Bills' thinking: "Ryan Fitzpatrick sucked. So what's the opposite of a Harvard quarterback? Ooh! A Florida State quarterback!"
 
2013-04-26 01:01:12 PM  
How does anyone know he's the 4th best, 10th best or 1st best?  You are assuming that the "draft experts" know what they are talking about.
 
2013-04-26 01:14:06 PM  

blunto: How does anyone know he's the 4th best, 10th best or 1st best?  You are assuming that the "draft experts" know what they are talking about.


The best available QB in this draft would probably have finished up last season as the 6th best rookie QB in the league behind Wilson, Griffin, Luck, Tannehill & Weeden. So I guess what I'm saying is - crapshoot all around and it probably won't matter in the end except to say that even if Manuel ends up being decent, the Bills could have probably picked him up in the 2nd round.
 
2013-04-26 01:15:28 PM  

ten foiled hats: AdmirableSnackbar: Manuel doesn't have the negatives that Barkley or Geno Smith have. I wouldn't touch Barkley - he reminds me of too many other USC QBs and we all know how they've done in the NFL and same goes for Smith because he is more of a runner than a thrower - his NCAA game was like Mike Vick but without the arm - and he seems like a bit of a head case to put it lightly. Nassib wasn't even considered until his college coach became and NFL coach and said he would draft him. If Buffalo agreed with those assessments, and I guess they did, then the choice makes a lot of sense, seeing as they only wanted one QB.

I don't love Manuel's decision making an awful lot of the time.  I don't think Smith's necessarily more of a runner, as both Tavon and Stedman Bailey had impressive numbers catching him.  Which of course in turn kind of inflates his passing numbers.  Without a doubt the same could be said for Barkley on both counts, but did you see that abysmal trainwreck of an O-line usc actually put on the field?

Either way, I have no doubt that Buffalo talked to everyone to varying degrees, and yeah, if that's their guy, well done.  It could very well look like a genius move in a few years.  (Of course, this being the Bills, forgive me if I have some doubts.  Although they could be applied across the board.)


I guess I should rephrase that.  I see Smith as more of a pure spread, read-option QB that works in college football but not long-term in the NFL.  Manuel's game looks like it will translate better to the pro style game where a QB can use elusiveness in the pocket as a tool to beat opponents but they really need to be able to beat teams with their heads and arms rather than with their legs.  I see Manuel as capable of doing that but not Smith.
 
2013-04-26 01:15:40 PM  

seumasokelly: New CBA doesn't allow for that, thank God. Richard Sherman and Russell Wilson are both still going to make under a million this season because the CBA states that their contracts can't be renegotiated yet. I think Wilson can't be renegotiated until after 2014.


Cannot renegotiate contracts until three full years into the NFL if drafted; two years if undrafted.  Sucks for the stud players, but the length of rookie contracts was shortened, too.  The fifth year is based upon the pay of the top earners in the NFL, if the option is excercised.  Basically, teams received massive 'bust' protection and have no reason to cut guys early unless they really, truly have no place on an NFL roster.
 
2013-04-26 01:17:22 PM  
So much fresh meat for the Delhomme RatingTM.
 
2013-04-26 01:44:57 PM  
This kids, is among the many reasons why the Bills have not made the playoffs since 1999.
 
2013-04-26 01:48:01 PM  

AdmirableSnackbar: I guess I should rephrase that. I see Smith as more of a pure spread, read-option QB that works in college football but not long-term in the NFL. Manuel's game looks like it will translate better to the pro style game where a QB can use elusiveness in the pocket as a tool to beat opponents but they really need to be able to beat teams with their heads and arms rather than with their legs. I see Manuel as capable of doing that but not Smith.


Point taken, although I don't know that I agree, because again, I just don't love Manuel's decision making.  Or his arm strength, for that matter.  (But there's no way you can deny his numbers, which are overall pretty good.  And, frankly, as bad as the ACC can be, most of Geno's were against the laughable Big East, and what wasn't was against a Big XII in which teams are not well known for stifling defenses.  First year for the team, so I don't hold the downfalls against him quite as much, but still.)

Here's what it basically boils down to with me: I can see Manuel being a fair-to-middling, avg.-slightly better long term QB.  I see Geno as all-or-nothing.  There is no middle ground.  And I'll agree that if I had to guess, I'd say bust.  But I think there's a better chance that he becomes some kind of a breakout (if you could call it that with all the hype) star.  Thing is, that's a Mighty big roll of the dice for a team that Really needs a solid, consistent QB.  Which is why I really can't say I hold it against them.
 
2013-04-26 01:53:16 PM  

AdmirableSnackbar: ten foiled hats: AdmirableSnackbar: Manuel doesn't have the negatives that Barkley or Geno Smith have. I wouldn't touch Barkley - he reminds me of too many other USC QBs and we all know how they've done in the NFL and same goes for Smith because he is more of a runner than a thrower - his NCAA game was like Mike Vick but without the arm - and he seems like a bit of a head case to put it lightly. Nassib wasn't even considered until his college coach became and NFL coach and said he would draft him. If Buffalo agreed with those assessments, and I guess they did, then the choice makes a lot of sense, seeing as they only wanted one QB.

I don't love Manuel's decision making an awful lot of the time.  I don't think Smith's necessarily more of a runner, as both Tavon and Stedman Bailey had impressive numbers catching him.  Which of course in turn kind of inflates his passing numbers.  Without a doubt the same could be said for Barkley on both counts, but did you see that abysmal trainwreck of an O-line usc actually put on the field?

Either way, I have no doubt that Buffalo talked to everyone to varying degrees, and yeah, if that's their guy, well done.  It could very well look like a genius move in a few years.  (Of course, this being the Bills, forgive me if I have some doubts.  Although they could be applied across the board.)

I guess I should rephrase that.  I see Smith as more of a pure spread, read-option QB that works in college football but not long-term in the NFL.  Manuel's game looks like it will translate better to the pro style game where a QB can use elusiveness in the pocket as a tool to beat opponents but they really need to be able to beat teams with their heads and arms rather than with their legs.  I see Manuel as capable of doing that but not Smith.


Depends entirely on system IMO. Manuel had a much stronger arm than Smith. But I think Smith could thrive in a west coast, dink and dunk offense. His release is fast and his throw is very strong for the first 10 yards (Jaws' evaluation). Geno Smith could be Andy Dalton 2.0. He won't win you games but in the right scheme he won't piss them away either.
 
2013-04-26 01:58:59 PM  

KingsleyZisou: Depends entirely on system IMO.


Which is of course the crux of it.  I don't know that Buffalo CAN run an offense that Smith'd work in, and I don't know that he can be coached to work in what they can run.
 
2013-04-26 02:04:14 PM  

KingsleyZisou: Depends entirely on system IMO. Manuel had a much stronger arm than Smith. But I think Smith could thrive in a west coast, dink and dunk offense. His release is fast and his throw is very strong for the first 10 yards (Jaws' evaluation). Geno Smith could be Andy Dalton 2.0. He won't win you games but in the right scheme he won't piss them away either.


I don't think Smith is smart enough or has the work ethic and determination to do that.  He doesn't have nearly enough talent to make up for a lack of heart and intelligence.
 
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