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2013-04-26 12:20:55 PM  

Ned Stark: So... lets leave the profit takers in the loop and make it illegal to drop out of the market? Lets incentivize making sure healthcare is as expensive as possible?


Reasonably priced doesn't mean that no one makes money.  For example, look at what people and companies get paid in nations that have a successful health care system and use that as a starting point for debate.

However, you can see why such a debate could never happen honestly in the US since the gov't runs on campaign contributions.
 
2013-04-26 12:38:36 PM  

meow said the dog: cubic_spleen: I wish I could favorite you a million times.

I think this is the possibility if you remove me from the favorite list then do the readding for 999,999 times.  Much like the 999,9999 people who will now get the treatment of the hemorrhoids of they thanks to the care from Mister John Wayne Barack Saddam Hussein Obamalamadingdong.


You forgot the numeral zero.
 
2013-04-26 12:39:07 PM  
There is a common sense irrefutable logic to single-payer:

1) you cannot deny emergency health care to those who can't pay
2) the only fair way to pay for this is Government
3) government should pay for everyone's emergency health care, because it is unfair that only people with money should have to pay for their emergency care in addition to the taxes they pay
4) for various public health reasons and lower cost associated with preventative care,it becomes economical to extend this approach to all basic health care
 
2013-04-26 12:41:22 PM  

Serious Black: Ned Stark: Mercutio74: Ned Stark: Remember when liberals mocked Republicans for such a terrible terrible idea?

Good time.

The fact of the matter is that it only works if everyone's invested in the system and if the pricing of the providers within th system is set fairly and reasonably.  If you start cherry picking risk pools, and applying free market principles to a service that has extremely inelastic demand, you end up with a recipe for disaster.

So... lets leave the profit takers in the loop and make it illegal to drop out of the market? Lets incentivize making sure healthcare is as expensive as possible?

Or we could be like Switzerland and require all companies offering basic health insurance plans be non-profits with strict medical loss ratio rules.


Switzerland does indeed to run a less terrible version of the same plan. They still overpay compared other universal care states.
 
2013-04-26 12:53:27 PM  
I'm looking forward to the point 5-10 years down the road when Republicans claim they supported Obamacare all along.
 
2013-04-26 12:59:05 PM  
Wow its like NO ONE READ the Politico article.

Congress was trying to figure out how to pay for their healthcare. After you got past the first three paragraphs of Politico hyperbole, you realized that Congress is going to have the same insurers that they have now.

JUST LIKE EVERYONE ON OBAMACARE!
 
2013-04-26 01:11:11 PM  

meow said the dog: In the other words Mitchell McConnelly has done the last ride of the Riverdancing and has now decided to be the person who likes for the suffering of sick individuals who cannot obtain the medical caring.  Listen Mitchell McConnelly I have the understanding that you do the representation of the derpvidiuals of the district of you who has the silliness of doing the election of you to the federal office of the congressional district of senate but I do not wish for telling you one more time the Supreme Court has done the speaking of this so perhaps unless you feel that the tears of you will cause the curing of the kids with cancer and the people with the preexisting conditionings then you can just stop being such the whiny biatch and move on with the life of you because you are the skank.

You are welcome.


Today has been a good day.  This is excellent.
 
2013-04-26 01:14:50 PM  

tricycleracer: Diogenes: Remember when the Republicans were pushing for the individual healthcare mandate?

Good times.

Yeah, right around the time grunge music was getting big.


Grunge music was getting big in 2007?
 
2013-04-26 01:19:46 PM  

Lawnchair: tricycleracer: Diogenes: Remember when the Republicans were pushing for the individual healthcare mandate?

Good times.

Yeah, right around the time grunge music was getting big.

Grunge music was getting big in 2007?


Are you honestly unaware of the history?
 
2013-04-26 01:26:55 PM  
Wow, two Breitbart links already and Friday's still young. Thanks, Fark! Smooches!
 
2013-04-26 01:28:01 PM  

Heraclitus: Wow its like NO ONE READ the Politico article.

Congress was trying to figure out how to pay for their healthcare.


HAHAHAHHAHAHAHHA, yeah, that's what they were doing.  Scratching their heads, saying  " How are we going to pay for our healthcare?"

"That's a tough one."

" Perhaps we should make the tax payers pay for it?"

" Capital idea, Nancy.  Let the proles pay for it. "
 
2013-04-26 01:43:36 PM  
The entire country should be exempt from having to listen to that turtle looking bastard. I'm hoping to get the chance to vote that son of a biatch out of office.
 
2013-04-26 01:50:15 PM  

Serious Black: Here's a novel thought: why don't the Republicans in Congress work with the Democrats also in Congress to make the law better and ensure it is smoothly implemented?


They tried. Multiple times. The Democrats were having none of it.
 
2013-04-26 01:51:57 PM  

jigger: Serious Black: Here's a novel thought: why don't the Republicans in Congress work with the Democrats also in Congress to make the law better and ensure it is smoothly implemented?

They tried. Multiple times. The Democrats were having none of it.


"Full repeal" is not making the law better and smoothly implemented, you disingenuous toad.
 
2013-04-26 01:52:34 PM  

jigger: Serious Black: Here's a novel thought: why don't the Republicans in Congress work with the Democrats also in Congress to make the law better and ensure it is smoothly implemented?

They tried. Multiple times. The Democrats were having none of it.


Hey, guys, I have a brilliant idea. I want to renovate the World Trade Center. How should we start?

02varvara.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-04-26 01:54:47 PM  

Serious Black: jigger: Serious Black: Here's a novel thought: why don't the Republicans in Congress work with the Democrats also in Congress to make the law better and ensure it is smoothly implemented?

They tried. Multiple times. The Democrats were having none of it.

Hey, guys, I have a brilliant idea. I want to renovate the World Trade Center. How should we start?

[02varvara.files.wordpress.com image 850x977]


That might be an apt analogy if they were just starting construction.
 
2013-04-26 01:55:23 PM  

A Dark Evil Omen: "Full repeal" is not making the law better and smoothly implemented


Says you.
 
2013-04-26 01:55:56 PM  

jigger: Serious Black: Here's a novel thought: why don't the Republicans in Congress work with the Democrats also in Congress to make the law better and ensure it is smoothly implemented?

They tried. Multiple times. The Democrats were having none of it.


How does repealing it make it better or ensure that its smoothly implemented?
 
2013-04-26 01:56:49 PM  

jigger: A Dark Evil Omen: "Full repeal" is not making the law better and smoothly implemented

Says you.


Let me guess, all we needed to do is add some tort reform and some cross-border competition and everything is magically fixed right?

/rolls eyes
 
2013-04-26 01:59:27 PM  

Mrtraveler01: jigger: A Dark Evil Omen: "Full repeal" is not making the law better and smoothly implemented

Says you.

Let me guess, all we needed to do is add some tort reform and some cross-border competition and everything is magically fixed right?

/rolls eyes


No, it can't be fixed overnight, but certain state laws can be repealed starting with getting rid of Certificates of Need.

Are you sure you support the fascist monster of a clusterfark that is Obamacare, Mr. Anarchist?
 
2013-04-26 02:00:06 PM  

jigger: A Dark Evil Omen: "Full repeal" is not making the law better and smoothly implemented

Says you.


The status quo ante was a miserable failure the like of which is not seen anywhere else in the first world. Only a complete and total imbecile would think repealing even incremental reform is a good idea.
 
2013-04-26 02:00:28 PM  

Mrtraveler01: jigger: Serious Black: Here's a novel thought: why don't the Republicans in Congress work with the Democrats also in Congress to make the law better and ensure it is smoothly implemented?

They tried. Multiple times. The Democrats were having none of it.

How does repealing it make it better or ensure that its smoothly implemented?


It makes Obamacare work 100% better.
 
2013-04-26 02:01:52 PM  

A Dark Evil Omen: jigger: A Dark Evil Omen: "Full repeal" is not making the law better and smoothly implemented

Says you.

The status quo ante was a miserable failure the like of which is not seen anywhere else in the first world. Only a complete and total imbecile would think repealing even incremental reform is a good idea.


You can call it incremental reform. Or you can recognize that it will make all the problems associated with health insurance worse and that going back to the shiatty situation before would be incremental reform.
 
2013-04-26 02:02:04 PM  

Serious Black: Tomahawk513: Mercutio74: The headline's right... the country SHOULD go publicly funded single payer or, at worse, a mixed system with public funding and heavily regulated private insurance.  It probably won't though until things get really, really bad and the GOP loses the ability to stop legislation for any reference.

I think Germany does something a lot like this.

Indeed, Germany does, as does France, Switzerland, Japan, and Singapore.


The real irony here is that Singapore is always near the top when it comes to having a "free economy".

Actually most of the countries near the top (Singapore, HK, and Australia) have a system similar to the one described above.

http://www.heritage.org/index/ranking

/Coincidence?
 
2013-04-26 02:02:12 PM  

Hickory-smoked: Lawnchair: tricycleracer: Diogenes: Remember when the Republicans were pushing for the individual healthcare mandate?

Good times.

Yeah, right around the time grunge music was getting big.

Grunge music was getting big in 2007?

Are you honestly unaware of the history?


No, no, quite aware.  I was assuming that tricycleracer meant that Republicans were only for individual mandates in 1993-4.  They weren't.  People like Gingrich, the Heritage Foundation, and Mitt Romney were pushing it until basically the day Obama said, "okay, fine, we'll try that".
 
2013-04-26 02:02:22 PM  

jigger: A Dark Evil Omen: jigger: A Dark Evil Omen: "Full repeal" is not making the law better and smoothly implemented

Says you.

The status quo ante was a miserable failure the like of which is not seen anywhere else in the first world. Only a complete and total imbecile would think repealing even incremental reform is a good idea.

You can call it incremental reform. Or you can recognize that it will make all the problems associated with health insurance worse and that going back to the shiatty situation before would be incremental reform.


Except it wouldn't. No sane person believes it would.
 
2013-04-26 02:03:22 PM  

jigger: Are you sure you support the fascist monster of a clusterfark that is Obamacare, Mr. Anarchist?


It's hard to take you seriously when you say stuff like this.

How can I be an Anarchist and yet support something that you call fascist?
 
2013-04-26 02:04:20 PM  

jigger: No, it can't be fixed overnight, but certain state laws can be repealed starting with getting rid of Certificates of Need.


And that will do what?
 
2013-04-26 02:05:08 PM  

Spaced Lion: I came in here to say something about Drew and booze and sponsored links, but now my brain is full of fark. Thanks a lot, meow.

/Seriously, thank you


I have provided to you the welcoming.
 
2013-04-26 02:08:16 PM  

jigger: Or you can recognize that it will make all the problems associated with health insurance worse and that going back to the shiatty situation before would be incremental reform.


Or, the GOP could have voted on their preferred option in 1995, after the Republican sweep.
Or in 1996.
Or in 1997.
Or in 1998.
Or in 1999.
Or in 2000.
Or in 2003.
Or in 2004.
Or in 2005.
Or in 2006.

Which, oddly enough, is exactly what didn't happen.

You just agreed that the status quo ante was a horrible shiatty situation, right?  But, considering a decade of inaction, you have to assume the Republicans liked the shiat-show we had. 'Repeal it and we'll come up with something better, really this time' doesn't hold any water.
 
2013-04-26 02:22:01 PM  

A Dark Evil Omen: jigger: A Dark Evil Omen: "Full repeal" is not making the law better and smoothly implemented

Says you.

The status quo ante was a miserable failure the like of which is not seen anywhere else in the first world. Only a complete and total imbecile would think repealing even incremental reform is a good idea.


I wouldn't say that this law is an incremental reform.  All this did was force people to buy insurance, if anything it was a massive giveaway to health insurance companies.  Obamacare would have been a positive step in the right direction IF the public option were left in the bill.  At least then we could point to it's popularity and show proof that people were moving toward the public option and then we could basically squeeze health insurance companies out of the market.
 
2013-04-26 02:32:05 PM  

FarkedOver: I wouldn't say that this law is an incremental reform. All this did was force people to buy insurance, if anything it was a massive giveaway to health insurance companies. Obamacare would have been a positive step in the right direction IF the public option were left in the bill. At least then we could point to it's popularity and show proof that people were moving toward the public option and then we could basically squeeze health insurance companies out of the market.


That's no coincidence.  There's no way on earth the health insurance lobby would have allowed its congress people to actually allow the public option.  The public mandate was probably the industry's favourite part of the ACA in the first place and that was always destined to be in the final bill.  Unfortunately the mandate without the public option is foolish... and yet, still better than the old system.
 
2013-04-26 02:36:00 PM  

FarkedOver: A Dark Evil Omen: jigger: A Dark Evil Omen: "Full repeal" is not making the law better and smoothly implemented

Says you.

The status quo ante was a miserable failure the like of which is not seen anywhere else in the first world. Only a complete and total imbecile would think repealing even incremental reform is a good idea.

I wouldn't say that this law is an incremental reform.  All this did was force people to buy insurance, if anything it was a massive giveaway to health insurance companies.  Obamacare would have been a positive step in the right direction IF the public option were left in the bill.  At least then we could point to it's popularity and show proof that people were moving toward the public option and then we could basically squeeze health insurance companies out of the market.


The insurance mandate is a piss-poor way to create universal coverage, but that also papers over the generally positive elements, such as the changes to employer provision requirements, the pre-existing conditions clause, the state exchanges and so on. If the Republicans were offering to repeal just the mandate, that would be one thing, but as it stands a large percentage of people that can't afford insurance are exempted from penalty and coverage is improving, mostly painlessly, for a large number of people who couldn't get it before. It's balls compared to what is needed, a band-aid over a sucking chest wound, but tearing off the band-aid is no solution.
 
2013-04-26 02:36:31 PM  

Mrtraveler01: jigger: No, it can't be fixed overnight, but certain state laws can be repealed starting with getting rid of Certificates of Need.

And that will do what?


I can tell you exactly what that did, in a rural town of 15,000. Where I grew up.

There was a Catholic-sister owned hospital there since before 1900.  It was never profitable (however you want to define that for a church-owned/community-supported facility).

Around 2001, a handful of doctors (surgeons and obstetricians) decided they weren't making enough.  So, most of the doctors in town were talked into investing in a second 'surgery center', which eventually was certified as a full hospital for Medicare reimbursement reasons.  No Certificates of Need in this state, no real restriction, even if it's pretty ludicrous to have two hospitals in a town of under $15k.

Since virtually every doctor in the county was an investor in the new hospital, you can guess what comes next.  They steer patients.  "You've got full-coverage BCBS?  Have you seen our state of the art birthing center?"  "You're on Medicaid... don't you want to go to the Catholic hospital... after all, you were born there right?".

Eventually, the Catholic hospital goes tango-uniform.  The little privatized surgery-center/mini-hospital becomes the only option, and for anything that might be the slightest bit complicated (or expensive), they fly your arse out of there almost instantly.
 
2013-04-26 02:38:55 PM  
Standard litmus test for any government program should be, "If it's so great, why do we have to compel people to participate?"
 
2013-04-26 02:39:44 PM  

scarmig: Standard litmus test for any government program should be, "If it's so great, why do we have to compel people to participate?"


So capitalism is the first to go, then...
 
2013-04-26 03:03:36 PM  

jigger: Are you sure you support the fascist monster of a clusterfark that is Obamacare, Mr. Anarchist?


You know, yesterday I thought you were genuinely clueless, and I don't wanna be nasty to people just because they're dumb. But with this post it's clear you're just another goddamn troll, so go sit on a flashlight.
 
2013-04-26 03:33:31 PM  

cubic_spleen: meow said the dog: In the other words Mitchell McConnelly has done the last ride of the Riverdancing and has now decided to be the person who likes for the suffering of sick individuals who cannot obtain the medical caring.  Listen Mitchell McConnelly I have the understanding that you do the representation of the derpvidiuals of the district of you who has the silliness of doing the election of you to the federal office of the congressional district of senate but I do not wish for telling you one more time the Supreme Court has done the speaking of this so perhaps unless you feel that the tears of you will cause the curing of the kids with cancer and the people with the preexisting conditionings then you can just stop being such the whiny biatch and move on with the life of you because you are the skank.

You are welcome.

I wish I could favorite you a million times.


Is a lovely green shade on my screen with the words "meow is the talking of the funniness"
 
2013-04-26 03:37:59 PM  

Snatch Bandergrip: and implemented by Republicans.


WTF are you going on about? It hasn't been implemented yet.
 
2013-04-26 03:57:53 PM  

scarmig: Standard litmus test for any government program should be, "If it's so great, why do we have to compel people to participate?"


Tragedy of the commons?
 
2013-04-26 04:30:13 PM  

scarmig: Standard litmus test for any government program should be, "If it's so great, why do we have to compel people to participate?"


That's not a litmus test.  It is a question with a valid answer.

The goal of the program is to ensure universal coverage so of course compelling participation is necessary.

Apply your "litmus test" to primary education.
 
2013-04-26 04:49:15 PM  

Zeb Hesselgresser: Heraclitus: Wow its like NO ONE READ the Politico article.

Congress was trying to figure out how to pay for their healthcare.

HAHAHAHHAHAHAHHA, yeah, that's what they were doing.  Scratching their heads, saying  " How are we going to pay for our healthcare?"

"That's a tough one."

" Perhaps we should make the tax payers pay for it?"

" Capital idea, Nancy.  Let the proles pay for it. "


and Obviously YOU didnt read it either...
 
2013-04-26 04:57:59 PM  
Because nobody in America has pre-existing conditions?
 
2013-04-26 05:31:49 PM  

Heraclitus: Zeb Hesselgresser: Heraclitus: Wow its like NO ONE READ the Politico article.

Congress was trying to figure out how to pay for their healthcare.

HAHAHAHHAHAHAHHA, yeah, that's what they were doing.  Scratching their heads, saying  " How are we going to pay for our healthcare?"

"That's a tough one."

" Perhaps we should make the tax payers pay for it?"

" Capital idea, Nancy.  Let the proles pay for it. "

and Obviously YOU didnt read it either...


oh I read Politico's trololio shiat-stirring article, and I read that sycophant Ezra's WAPO defense/explanation. Then I read a few more takes on the situation from both sides.

Then I started laughing at both the knee jerk R's and the PissPants D's that thought for 1 minute that those
Congressional Leeches and their staffs weren't going to have the same ABOVE THE REST OF YOU FREE coverage they've always had. If there is one thing they are good at, it is taking care of themselves.
 
2013-04-26 08:27:12 PM  
The entire country should be exempt from Breitbart.com, but even the timely death of its founder couldn't stop the derp.
 
2013-04-26 08:36:58 PM  

Zeb Hesselgresser: Heraclitus: Zeb Hesselgresser: Heraclitus: Wow its like NO ONE READ the Politico article.

Congress was trying to figure out how to pay for their healthcare.

HAHAHAHHAHAHAHHA, yeah, that's what they were doing.  Scratching their heads, saying  " How are we going to pay for our healthcare?"

"That's a tough one."

" Perhaps we should make the tax payers pay for it?"

" Capital idea, Nancy.  Let the proles pay for it. "

and Obviously YOU didnt read it either...

oh I read Politico's trololio shiat-stirring article, and I read that sycophant Ezra's WAPO defense/explanation. Then I read a few more takes on the situation from both sides.

Then I started laughing at both the knee jerk R's and the PissPants D's that thought for 1 minute that those
Congressional Leeches and their staffs weren't going to have the same ABOVE THE REST OF YOU FREE coverage they've always had. If there is one thing they are good at, it is taking care of themselves.


OK so you really know about what youre talking about.

Whats your opinion about the brain drain?
 
2013-04-26 09:57:35 PM  

Heraclitus: Zeb Hesselgresser: 
I started laughing at both the knee jerk R's and the PissPants D's that thought for 1 minute that those
Congressional Leeches and their staffs weren't going to have the same ABOVE THE REST OF YOU FREE coverage they've always had. If there is one thing they are good at, it is taking care of themselves.

OK so you really know about what youre talking about.
Whats your opinion about the brain drain?


I think the Ivy Leaguers have made a self evident mess of things; if they are inclined to seek fame and fortune in the private sector, I wish them well. Let's give some engineers and accountants from our better state schools a chance, how much worse could they possibly do?
 
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