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2013-04-26 12:13:17 PM
He sounds bitter.
 
2013-04-26 12:14:00 PM
The American School Board - a steering committee that has effectively taken the vehicle of education and drove it off the f*cking bridge.
 
2013-04-26 12:16:12 PM
I live in Texas, and I've come to realize something. Anybody who would go to college to take a job in a Texas school is so bad at making life choices that they shouldn't be around children.

Not sure what to do about this except wait for enough old people to die that we can start funding schools properly without howls about socialism rattling the walls of nursing homes and bingo halls.
 
2013-04-26 12:16:18 PM
There has to be more to this. If there isn't how does the board expect to not lose a lawsuit along with him being reinstated.
 
2013-04-26 12:17:10 PM
A Facebook page entitled "Project Turner" has been created in response to the teacher's leave of absence.

Perhaps they could turn it into a series of books. Diaries, if you will.
 
2013-04-26 12:17:31 PM
Grammar Nazi threadjack:

FTFA:   * In his anti-teaching blog post, Turner warns, "If I were [sic] 18 years old and deciding how to spend my adult years, the last thing I would want to become is a classroom teacher."

The [sic] indicates that the writer/editor acknowledges an error which was not corrected for the sake of accurately quoting the sentence.

Is "were" the correct use of the subjunctive mood of the verb "to be" in that sentence?  I think so, but the writer/editor does not.

This is annoying me more than it should.
 
2013-04-26 12:20:51 PM

coeyagi: The American School Board - a steering committee that has effectively taken the vehicle of education and drove it off the f*cking bridge.


Held hostage to:

Religious busybody parents who are afraid Mykaelya might be learning evilution.

Know-nothing voters who refuse even minor property tax increases because goldangit school teachers got ten pence and a crust of bread a week when they were in school and did just fine.

Budgets that irrationally favor public relations and sporting events over learning.

State legislators who pander to conservatives with talk of keeping those librul teachers accountable by mandating ineffectual and backward standardized testing.

A steadfast refusal to invest in vocational and technology programs.

A one-size-fits all education model meant to deliberately sabotage public education to feed the desires of the privatizers who want religion to control education.

An earnest attempt to avoid modernizing pedagogy over fears that libruls will turn your kids in to homoatheimuslims who gay marry effigies of Karl Marx.
 
2013-04-26 12:22:38 PM
For some reason, hearing of a ranting man named "Randy Turner" who lives in the South going on about dead children in a blog - a diary, if you will - does not immediately bring education to mind.
 
2013-04-26 12:24:42 PM

Parthenogenetic: Grammar Nazi threadjack:

FTFA:   * In his anti-teaching blog post, Turner warns, "If I were [sic] 18 years old and deciding how to spend my adult years, the last thing I would want to become is a classroom teacher."

The [sic] indicates that the writer/editor acknowledges an error which was not corrected for the sake of accurately quoting the sentence.

Is "were" the correct use of the subjunctive mood of the verb "to be" in that sentence?  I think so, but the writer/editor does not.

This is annoying me more than it should.


I'm glad I'm not the only one.  I've been trying to find the error and it's driving me nuts.
 
2013-04-26 12:25:02 PM

Obama's Reptiloid Master: coeyagi: The American School Board - a steering committee that has effectively taken the vehicle of education and drove it off the f*cking bridge.

Held hostage to:

Religious busybody parents who are afraid Mykaelya might be learning evilution.

Know-nothing voters who refuse even minor property tax increases because goldangit school teachers got ten pence and a crust of bread a week when they were in school and did just fine.

Budgets that irrationally favor public relations and sporting events over learning.

State legislators who pander to conservatives with talk of keeping those librul teachers accountable by mandating ineffectual and backward standardized testing.

A steadfast refusal to invest in vocational and technology programs.

A one-size-fits all education model meant to deliberately sabotage public education to feed the desires of the privatizers who want religion to control education.

An earnest attempt to avoid modernizing pedagogy over fears that libruls will turn your kids in to homoatheimuslims who gay marry effigies of Karl Marx.


The increased use of mainstreaming by parents that believe their developmentally challenged child should be treated the same as those that are not challenged in the same ways.
 
2013-04-26 12:26:15 PM

Obama's Reptiloid Master: coeyagi: The American School Board - a steering committee that has effectively taken the vehicle of education and drove it off the f*cking bridge.

Held hostage to:

Religious busybody parents who are afraid Mykaelya might be learning evilution.

Know-nothing voters who refuse even minor property tax increases because goldangit school teachers got ten pence and a crust of bread a week when they were in school and did just fine.

Budgets that irrationally favor public relations and sporting events over learning.

State legislators who pander to conservatives with talk of keeping those librul teachers accountable by mandating ineffectual and backward standardized testing.

A steadfast refusal to invest in vocational and technology programs.

A one-size-fits all education model meant to deliberately sabotage public education to feed the desires of the privatizers who want religion to control education.

An earnest attempt to avoid modernizing pedagogy over fears that libruls will turn your kids in to homoatheimuslims who gay marry effigies of Karl Marx.


Pretty much THIS.

Especially the standardized testing. Good God what a waste of money pissing down the toilet of, "we can't think of anything else so we really want this to work."
 
2013-04-26 12:26:20 PM

Obama's Reptiloid Master: coeyagi: The American School Board - a steering committee that has effectively taken the vehicle of education and drove it off the f*cking bridge.

Held hostage to:

Religious busybody parents who are afraid Mykaelya might be learning evilution.

Know-nothing voters who refuse even minor property tax increases because goldangit school teachers got ten pence and a crust of bread a week when they were in school and did just fine.

Budgets that irrationally favor public relations and sporting events over learning.

State legislators who pander to conservatives with talk of keeping those librul teachers accountable by mandating ineffectual and backward standardized testing.

A steadfast refusal to invest in vocational and technology programs.

A one-size-fits all education model meant to deliberately sabotage public education to feed the desires of the privatizers who want religion to control education.

An earnest attempt to avoid modernizing pedagogy over fears that libruls will turn your kids in to homoatheimuslims who gay marry effigies of Karl Marx.


So, Bush's fault?
 
2013-04-26 12:26:22 PM

Parthenogenetic: Grammar Nazi threadjack:

FTFA:   * In his anti-teaching blog post, Turner warns, "If I were [sic] 18 years old and deciding how to spend my adult years, the last thing I would want to become is a classroom teacher."

The [sic] indicates that the writer/editor acknowledges an error which was not corrected for the sake of accurately quoting the sentence.

Is "were" the correct use of the subjunctive mood of the verb "to be" in that sentence?  I think so, but the writer/editor does not.

This is annoying me more than it should.


I think it's correct too. Keep in mind the editor works for Yahoo.
 
2013-04-26 12:26:45 PM
"God made an idiot for practice, and then He made the School Board."   --  Mark Twain
 
2013-04-26 12:30:09 PM

Parthenogenetic: Grammar Nazi threadjack:

FTFA:   * In his anti-teaching blog post, Turner warns, "If I were [sic] 18 years old and deciding how to spend my adult years, the last thing I would want to become is a classroom teacher."

The [sic] indicates that the writer/editor acknowledges an error which was not corrected for the sake of accurately quoting the sentence.

Is "were" the correct use of the subjunctive mood of the verb "to be" in that sentence?  I think so, but the writer/editor does not.

This is annoying me more than it should.


I thought the same thing. "Let's pretend that proper English is incorrect in an obnoxious way!"

/That editor is a [sic] human being.
 
2013-04-26 12:30:46 PM
Any changes to education from above only makes things worse.

sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net

/viva Nassim Taleb
//Try to keep your interventions via negativa
 
2013-04-26 12:31:08 PM

sabreWulf07: Parthenogenetic: Grammar Nazi threadjack:

FTFA:   * In his anti-teaching blog post, Turner warns, "If I were [sic] 18 years old and deciding how to spend my adult years, the last thing I would want to become is a classroom teacher."

The [sic] indicates that the writer/editor acknowledges an error which was not corrected for the sake of accurately quoting the sentence.

Is "were" the correct use of the subjunctive mood of the verb "to be" in that sentence?  I think so, but the writer/editor does not.

This is annoying me more than it should.

I'm glad I'm not the only one.  I've been trying to find the error and it's driving me nuts.


I believe you guys to be correct. The editor might have thought that the proper construction was, "Were I 18 years old and..."

"If I was..." is past-tense, "If I were..." is present-tense, no? English grammar was never my strong suit.
 
2013-04-26 12:36:58 PM
Now he has time to write that book he's been trying to get pledging for.
 
2013-04-26 12:39:02 PM

studs up: Obama's Reptiloid Master: coeyagi: The American School Board - a steering committee that has effectively taken the vehicle of education and drove it off the f*cking bridge.

Held hostage to:

Religious busybody parents who are afraid Mykaelya might be learning evilution.

Know-nothing voters who refuse even minor property tax increases because goldangit school teachers got ten pence and a crust of bread a week when they were in school and did just fine.

Budgets that irrationally favor public relations and sporting events over learning.

State legislators who pander to conservatives with talk of keeping those librul teachers accountable by mandating ineffectual and backward standardized testing.

A steadfast refusal to invest in vocational and technology programs.

A one-size-fits all education model meant to deliberately sabotage public education to feed the desires of the privatizers who want religion to control education.

An earnest attempt to avoid modernizing pedagogy over fears that libruls will turn your kids in to homoatheimuslims who gay marry effigies of Karl Marx.

So, Bush's fault?


Nope. Ronnie Raygun. Or maybe back to McCarthy. Or hell, Williams Jennings Bryan.
 
2013-04-26 12:43:04 PM

Parthenogenetic: Grammar Nazi threadjack:

FTFA:   * In his anti-teaching blog post, Turner warns, "If I were [sic] 18 years old and deciding how to spend my adult years, the last thing I would want to become is a classroom teacher."

The [sic] indicates that the writer/editor acknowledges an error which was not corrected for the sake of accurately quoting the sentence.

Is "were" the correct use of the subjunctive mood of the verb "to be" in that sentence?  I think so, but the writer/editor does not.

This is annoying me more than it should.


The writer/editor could probably use Mr. Turner's English classes.  I hear he's newly available.
 
2013-04-26 12:50:22 PM
The educator began a Thursday to crowd-fund a book he wants to write entitled "Let Teachers Teach." His goal is to raise $40,000. So far, he has $46 from four donors.
 
2013-04-26 12:57:53 PM

jesdynf: Anybody who would go to college to take a job in a Texas school is so bad at making life choices that they shouldn't be around children.


Or maybe some of us teachers in Texas think that our mission is so important that we can't let the kids get through without someone to care for them.

 
2013-04-26 01:03:11 PM

maddogdelta: jesdynf: Anybody who would go to college to take a job in a Texas school is so bad at making life choices that they shouldn't be around children.

Or maybe some of us teachers in Texas think that our mission is so important that we can't let the kids get through without someone to care for them.


No, it's likely the first.

/i don't give a shiat how the "noble" people say the profession is, I'm advising my children from birth to never become public school teachers in this country
//if i'm here that long, that is
 
2013-04-26 01:04:01 PM

Moopy Mac: The increased use of mainstreaming by parents that believe their developmentally challenged child should be treated the same as those that are not challenged in the same ways.


That this happens disturbs me.  Developmentally challenged children are NOT the same as those that aren't, and to treat them as if they are dramatically stunts their development. I know I know, captain obvious here, but really I shouldn't  have to point that out...
 
2013-04-26 01:04:57 PM

un4gvn666: //if i'm here that long, that is


4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-04-26 01:10:53 PM

coeyagi: The American School Board - a steering committee that has effectively taken the vehicle of education and drove it off the f*cking bridge.


Most countries don't bother trying to educate everyone. We look bad when our average student competes with the top students of other countries.

If we look at literacy rates in order to get around this bias, we actually do pretty well.
http://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/fields/21 03 .html#xx

Not saying we don't have a long way to go, but let's be realistic about where we are. If we'd* driven our educational system off the bridge, we'd be down around Austria, Worst Korea, or Israel's level.

*We = citizens, not just the school board. We elect the school board, we elect the officials who make decisions about budgets, those of us who are parents should be involved in our kids' education, etc.
 
2013-04-26 01:11:28 PM
Turner warns, "If I were [sic] 18 years old and deciding how to spend my adult years, the last thing I would want to become is a classroom teacher."

hahaha, the teacher used correct grammar and the editor [sic] at yahoo didn't know that.
 
2013-04-26 01:15:32 PM

un4gvn666: maddogdelta: jesdynf: Anybody who would go to college to take a job in a Texas school is so bad at making life choices that they shouldn't be around children.

Or maybe some of us teachers in Texas think that our mission is so important that we can't let the kids get through without someone to care for them.

No, it's likely the first.

/i don't give a shiat how the "noble" people say the profession is, I'm advising my children from birth to never become public school teachers in this country
//if i'm here that long, that is


We're a totally different country and one teacher friend of mine instilled in me this: "Teach in public because we need the best teachers there, but for the love of your children, send them to a private school."
 
2013-04-26 01:21:26 PM
FTFA: "The educator began a Kickstarter.com campaign Thursday to crowd-fund a book he wants to write entitled "Let Teachers Teach." His goal is to raise $40,000. So far, he has $46 from four donors."

Well, no wonder. I'd say no to the author of No Child Left Behind, too.
 
2013-04-26 01:21:39 PM

coeyagi: The American School Board - a steering committee that has effectively taken the vehicle of education and drove it off the f*cking bridge.


Pretty much that and thus, Mr. Turner's on point.

Also: Missouri?  Color me shocked.
 
2013-04-26 01:25:31 PM

coeyagi: The American School Board - a steering committee that has effectively taken the vehicle of education and drove it off the f*cking bridge.


"God made idiots first-for practice, then he made school boards"-Mark Twain
 
2013-04-26 01:30:29 PM

Parthenogenetic: Grammar Nazi threadjack:

FTFA:   * In his anti-teaching blog post, Turner warns, "If I were [sic] 18 years old and deciding how to spend my adult years, the last thing I would want to become is a classroom teacher."

The [sic] indicates that the writer/editor acknowledges an error which was not corrected for the sake of accurately quoting the sentence.

Is "were" the correct use of the subjunctive mood of the verb "to be" in that sentence?  I think so, but the writer/editor does not.

This is annoying me more than it should.


Chill. It's just the editor's pet peave.
 
2013-04-26 01:35:10 PM
And that's how Turner socked it to the Joplin Public PTA...
 
2013-04-26 01:39:55 PM
From his original biatchfest:


The legislature also recently acted to extend the use of ABCTE (American Board for Certification of Teacher Excellence), a program that allows people to switch careers and become teachers without having to go through required teaching courses.It is hard to get past the message being sent that our teachers are not good enough so we have to go outside to find new ones.For Math and Science, I'd say that's right on the money.
 
2013-04-26 01:41:15 PM
Being a teacher is pretty awful these days, in most public systems. I don't envy anyone who does it.

/dropped my teaching major when I realized how farked the schools were
 
2013-04-26 01:46:49 PM
Why would anyone want to go into a profession as demonized as teaching is today?
 
2013-04-26 01:53:36 PM

LasersHurt: Being a teacher is pretty awful these days, in most public systems. I don't envy anyone who does it.

/dropped my teaching major when I realized how farked the schools were


Fart_Machine: Why would anyone want to go into a profession as demonized as teaching is today?


That's why my gf stopped midway through her B.A. in Teaching and switched to Graphic Design.
 
2013-04-26 01:53:47 PM

sabreWulf07: Parthenogenetic: Grammar Nazi threadjack:

FTFA:   * In his anti-teaching blog post, Turner warns, "If I were [sic] 18 years old and deciding how to spend my adult years, the last thing I would want to become is a classroom teacher."

The [sic] indicates that the writer/editor acknowledges an error which was not corrected for the sake of accurately quoting the sentence.

Is "were" the correct use of the subjunctive mood of the verb "to be" in that sentence?  I think so, but the writer/editor does not.

This is annoying me more than it should.

I'm glad I'm not the only one.  I've been trying to find the error and it's driving me nuts.


o/

me too
 
2013-04-26 01:58:00 PM
My favorite part of my educational experience was how the program for gifted students in my district ended after the 5th grade, as if some of us would flourish without the extra stimulation and help tutor the rest of the kids in gen-pop.

/broke my will and turned this gifted student into a jaded adult
//the program did a lot of problem solving and project management
 
2013-04-26 02:00:19 PM

friday13: Moopy Mac: The increased use of mainstreaming by parents that believe their developmentally challenged child should be treated the same as those that are not challenged in the same ways.

That this happens disturbs me.  Developmentally challenged children are NOT the same as those that aren't, and to treat them as if they are dramatically stunts their development. I know I know, captain obvious here, but really I shouldn't  have to point that out...


It's a question that should be asked like this: Do you want your child to do everything LIKE normal students, or WITH them? It can be one or the other, but never both-- not if they're going to be happy and learn anything
 
2013-04-26 02:01:44 PM
The truth hurts.  We need more teachers to stand up like this guy.

Is there seriously one thing on that list that people disagree with?
 
2013-04-26 02:01:47 PM

Satan's Bunny Slippers: sabreWulf07: Parthenogenetic: Grammar Nazi threadjack:

FTFA:   * In his anti-teaching blog post, Turner warns, "If I were [sic] 18 years old and deciding how to spend my adult years, the last thing I would want to become is a classroom teacher."

The [sic] indicates that the writer/editor acknowledges an error which was not corrected for the sake of accurately quoting the sentence.

Is "were" the correct use of the subjunctive mood of the verb "to be" in that sentence?  I think so, but the writer/editor does not.

This is annoying me more than it should.

I'm glad I'm not the only one.  I've been trying to find the error and it's driving me nuts.

o/

me too


The best I can figure is that he's using the plural 'were' with the singular pronoun 'I'.
 
2013-04-26 02:05:04 PM
Also, would people donate to his kickstarter? It's looking pathetic with only 4 donations for $46.
 
2013-04-26 02:10:18 PM

Lsherm: t is hard to get past the message being sent that our teachers are not good enough so we have to go outside to find new ones.For Math and Science, I'd say that's right on the money.


That is the part of the original blog that I think is full of shiat.

Why? Because he is a product of a "get professionals certified as teachers" program himself.  The alternative certification programs are trying to get scientists/engineers/mathematicians to become teachers because many university programs graduate shiatloads of Early Childhood, English and History teachers, and almost no science and math teachers.

Fart_Machine: Why would anyone want to go into a profession as demonized as teaching is today?

In my case, I "consider the source". If Hannity doesn't like my profession, then we must be doing something right.
 
2013-04-26 02:10:40 PM
My mother has been a life-long public education teacher for mainly Kindergarten - 8th grade.

She will actively tell young people looking to get into the field to stay the hell away. No more authority, no more respect, horrible pay, horrible retirement, an absurd amount of unpaid OT and a nation that now thinks that teachers are over-paid morons. I can't do anything but laugh at the way she and her fellow teachers get treated. If even HALF they shiat they put up with happened in my (private) company, they'd be getting slapped with so many lawsuits it's ridiculous.

I've chatted with the ONLY male teacher in her entire school district (and he retires this year), and he must have it worst of all. He says it's all the same negatives as the female teachers, only all it takes is one malicious and/or ignorant child to say he did "something inappropriate" for him to go to jail and lose his license to teach. Basically schools can't afford the liability of a male teacher anymore.

Now keep in min that this is just a mid-sized town in and average school district in Indiana. I bet conditions are FAR worse in a lot of areas.
 
2013-04-26 02:17:41 PM

germ78: Satan's Bunny Slippers: sabreWulf07: Parthenogenetic: Grammar Nazi threadjack:

FTFA:   * In his anti-teaching blog post, Turner warns, "If I were [sic] 18 years old and deciding how to spend my adult years, the last thing I would want to become is a classroom teacher."

The [sic] indicates that the writer/editor acknowledges an error which was not corrected for the sake of accurately quoting the sentence.

Is "were" the correct use of the subjunctive mood of the verb "to be" in that sentence?  I think so, but the writer/editor does not.

This is annoying me more than it should.

I'm glad I'm not the only one.  I've been trying to find the error and it's driving me nuts.

o/

me too

The best I can figure is that he's using the plural 'were' with the singular pronoun 'I'.


Were I a betting man, I'd gamble on it.
 
2013-04-26 02:22:13 PM

germ78: Satan's Bunny Slippers: sabreWulf07: Parthenogenetic: Grammar Nazi threadjack:

FTFA:   * In his anti-teaching blog post, Turner warns, "If I were [sic] 18 years old and deciding how to spend my adult years, the last thing I would want to become is a classroom teacher."

The [sic] indicates that the writer/editor acknowledges an error which was not corrected for the sake of accurately quoting the sentence.

Is "were" the correct use of the subjunctive mood of the verb "to be" in that sentence?  I think so, but the writer/editor does not.

This is annoying me more than it should.

I'm glad I'm not the only one.  I've been trying to find the error and it's driving me nuts.

o/

me too

The best I can figure is that he's using the plural 'were' with the singular pronoun 'I'.


In the subjunctive mood, 'were' is correct in this construction.  I'm assuming the author is a hillbilly.

/certified English teacher
//getting a kick...
///you don't say "If I was 18...."
 
2013-04-26 02:41:17 PM
I had hoped for some quality photoshops of no child left alive
 
2013-04-26 02:51:08 PM
I've ranted about the education system in many a thread, and this post basically conforms to much of what I've said.

If I could, I would want everyone to be able to take a step back for a moment and realize how remedial our understanding of how to educate someone is. Think about it. Compare it to other fields, even the fuzzy understanding of the social sciences. This is a foundational piece of knowledge necessary to our society, but we regularly throw educators into the classroom without the first clue about what works and what doesn't. We blindly implement standardized tests, NCLB, etc., without any real evidence that these are things that work to produce well-educated adults capable of understanding and critical thinking.

I've gotten flak for saying we should privatize education, but I simply cannot see another way to get there. You need competition of ideas, innovation, and flexibility. None of those things seem possible to implement in our current system. I can think of no reason an society as advanced as ours should not be at the point at which mass research has been done on creating an interactive computer education program that can be mass produced, purchased  by parents for a competitive price, that uses learning techniques that children find interesting and engaging, and would be more effective than our current methods. We should have a dozen or so such programs right now competing for our business. Then, parents can take the thousands they've saved on school taxes and apply it to a personal private tutor, or whatever else they want, to supplement that program, if needed. Think about the mass improvement in efficiency of that. Our current system makes it virtually impossible to ever get there, and if we did it would likely be decades behind and cost much more.
 
2013-04-26 02:52:45 PM

Fart_Machine: Why would anyone want to go into a profession as demonized as teaching is today?


Call me insane.

/halfway through the license - student teaching in Spring '14
 
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