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2013-04-26 11:08:14 AM  
Yeah, the internet sure is a whiz at solving crimes and finding people...

static.globalgrind.com
 
2013-04-26 11:22:45 AM  
If the Internet becomes judge, jury and executioner, the criminal sentences of the future will include unsolicited pizza delivery.
 
2013-04-26 11:27:23 AM  

impaler: the future will include unsolicited pizza delivery


Topped with meme's.
 
2013-04-26 12:30:09 PM  

FirstNationalBastard: Yeah, the internet sure is a whiz at solving crimes and finding people...

[static.globalgrind.com image 540x396]


That seems like a foolish thing to post.

I mean I get your point, but what, "wrong once, wrong forever"?
 
2013-04-26 12:42:05 PM  
Yay.....vigilantism!!!!
 
2013-04-26 12:43:39 PM  

LasersHurt: FirstNationalBastard: Yeah, the internet sure is a whiz at solving crimes and finding people...

[static.globalgrind.com image 540x396]

That seems like a foolish thing to post.

I mean I get your point, but what, "wrong once, wrong forever"?


feeling guilty about something?
 
2013-04-26 12:44:41 PM  
Any crimes I confess to on the internets are well past statute of limitations.
 
2013-04-26 12:45:11 PM  
Does subby know about porn?

Cause the internets have porn, too... Which is nice.
 
2013-04-26 12:45:14 PM  
Basically all of the inherent flaws with a message board that allows up voting, down voting, and reputation scores are present in this.

Crowd sourcing in this fashion defaults to the loudest and toughest accounts, groups prevailing.  Not the most accurate.
 
2013-04-26 12:45:43 PM  

Dr. Goldshnoz: LasersHurt: FirstNationalBastard: Yeah, the internet sure is a whiz at solving crimes and finding people...

[static.globalgrind.com image 540x396]

That seems like a foolish thing to post.

I mean I get your point, but what, "wrong once, wrong forever"?

feeling guilty about something?


No? I just thought it was odd, it didn't seem to serve anything. It just reinforces something the article already covered, which is that it sometimes misfires. I don't get his larger point, I guess?
 
2013-04-26 12:47:41 PM  
See? The lesson here is that you should leave responsible journalism to professionals. Like the New York Post.
 
2013-04-26 12:50:23 PM  

LasersHurt: Dr. Goldshnoz: LasersHurt: FirstNationalBastard: Yeah, the internet sure is a whiz at solving crimes and finding people...

[static.globalgrind.com image 540x396]

That seems like a foolish thing to post.

I mean I get your point, but what, "wrong once, wrong forever"?

feeling guilty about something?

No? I just thought it was odd, it didn't seem to serve anything. It just reinforces something the article already covered, which is that it sometimes misfires. I don't get his larger point, I guess?


I think that where this person is from "Lasers" is slang for "Butt".
 
gja [TotalFark]
2013-04-26 12:51:00 PM  

AlwaysRightBoy: impaler: the future will include unsolicited pizza delivery

Topped with meme's.


api.ning.com
 
2013-04-26 12:54:51 PM  
TFA says "Eric" from reddit apologized. Is that a Drew alt or does "Eric" work for Drew?
 
2013-04-26 12:58:06 PM  
The internet is a terrible place.  Don't ever go there.
 
2013-04-26 01:01:51 PM  

PanicMan: The internet is a terrible place.  Don't ever go there.


Going there less and less.  Hey look!  The sun is out today!
 
2013-04-26 01:06:53 PM  
Is it just me, or did TFA not include a single example where the online community actually helped solve any actual crimes?  Even the example of the woman who was 'eventually convicted' posting on webslueths just seems to have been identifying the anonymous account as coming from her computer... how did that help solve the case?
 
2013-04-26 01:09:34 PM  

AGremlin: Yay.....vigilantism!!!!


No more so than calling Crimeline with a tip or lead. They just try to develop those tips and leads from the ground up, based on available or deduced information.
 
2013-04-26 01:13:55 PM  

megarian: Does subby know about porn?

Cause the internets have porn, too... Which is nice.


Okay the internet is good for one thing.  But that's it.
 
2013-04-26 01:15:20 PM  
Internet has been fine helping with carnal needs.
 
2013-04-26 01:18:08 PM  
Well it did make my penis larger, told me the truth about Obama, and I inherited a large sum of money from a Nigerian prince.
 
2013-04-26 01:18:16 PM  

FirstNationalBastard: Yeah, the internet sure is a whiz at solving crimes and finding people...

[static.globalgrind.com image 540x396]


SOMEONE didn't read the article.
 
2013-04-26 01:21:40 PM  

buckler: AGremlin: Yay.....vigilantism!!!!

No more so than calling Crimeline with a tip or lead. They just try to develop those tips and leads from the ground up, based on available or deduced information.


That's the difference.  "Calling in with a tip or lead" versus reddit's "do the entire thing ourselves, leading to massively incorrect speculation-based conclusions".

from TFA:

This is, at least in theory, already the case at Reddit. The site's rules note that "Witch-hunts and the posting of personal information are forbidden"-something Martin drew attention to in his written apology. But it wasn't followed after the Boston attacks.

Bad press notwithstanding, Redditors are unfazed by their handling of the Boston bombings.


The reddit staff regrets the mistake, but none of the users do.  As long as they eventually get the correct target, reddit's okay with shotgun accusations that also hit innocent bystanders... and in the case of Boston, they didn't even get the correct target.

Leave the crime fighting to the professionals, jackasses.  You are not, in fact, Scooby and Shaggy.
 
2013-04-26 01:22:40 PM  

LasersHurt: FirstNationalBastard: Yeah, the internet sure is a whiz at solving crimes and finding people...

[static.globalgrind.com image 540x396]

That seems like a foolish thing to post.

I mean I get your point, but what, "wrong once, wrong forever"?


Yeah, the internet has never caused some random persons life to be turned upside down by convicting them of something. Except that one time.
 
2013-04-26 01:26:30 PM  
 
2013-04-26 01:27:49 PM  

megarian: Does subby know about porn?

Cause the internets have porn, too... Which is nice.


There's porn on the interwebs? Are you sure? I haven't seen any. Must be hidden away in some dark corner of the intertubes, huh?
 
2013-04-26 01:27:52 PM  

buckler: AGremlin: Yay.....vigilantism!!!!

No more so than calling Crimeline with a tip or lead. They just try to develop those tips and leads from the ground up, based on available or deduced information.


If the "internet detectives" were merely emailing law enforcement with useful leads and tips, I would agree with you.  Some of these people incite violence, libel, slander and encourage behavior only seen in less developed societies and times.

There is a reason the modern criminal justice system evolved into what it is today.  Some of those reasons are to prevent misinformation, avoid lynching, and permanently stigmatizing innocent people. Let's move our justice system forward and not back into the middle ages when witch hunts were a way to mete out justice.

Could the internet be used to help police investigations in the future?  Probably.  Right now there is too much written and verbal diarrhea on the internet to make it effective.
 
2013-04-26 01:29:17 PM  
So, no one at Mother Jones (or Reddit) ever visits the Fark Politics tab?
 
2013-04-26 01:29:37 PM  

BafflerMeal: PanicMan: The internet is a terrible place.  Don't ever go there.

Going there less and less.  Hey look!  The sun is out today!


... he says, on the internet.
 
2013-04-26 01:30:13 PM  

abhorrent1: Yeah, the internet has never caused some random persons life to be turned upside down by convicting them of something. Except that one time.


How many times has it gone poorly, versus well? What's the data on that? How does that compare to actual criminal investigation, in terms of innocents affected?

My point was that it's ridiculous to mention one anecdote. So what? Where's the data?
 
2013-04-26 01:45:36 PM  
Well, when you have 1,000,000,000 ± 999,999,086 opinions floating around: one of them is bound to be plausible.
 
2013-04-26 01:49:09 PM  
So if the Internet is so effing smart, where's Jimmy Hoffa and DB Cooper?
 
2013-04-26 01:50:05 PM  

Feral_and_Preposterous: Well, when you have 1,000,000,000 ± 999,999,086 opinions floating around: one of them is bound to be plausible.


monkeys. typewriters.  tis the east and Juliet is the sun.
 
2013-04-26 01:53:13 PM  

Jument: BafflerMeal: PanicMan: The internet is a terrible place.  Don't ever go there.

Going there less and less.  Hey look!  The sun is out today!

... he says, on the internet.


The glow of a monitor is kind of like the sun.  It's easy to get confused.
 
2013-04-26 01:58:06 PM  

olapbill: Feral_and_Preposterous: Well, when you have 1,000,000,000 ± 999,999,086 opinions floating around: one of them is bound to be plausible.

monkeys. typewriters.  tis the east and Juliet is the sun.


I was thinking the same thing but couldn't cleverly reference back to monkeys/typewriters/Shakespeare.
/golf clap
 
2013-04-26 02:04:49 PM  

Jument: BafflerMeal: PanicMan: The internet is a terrible place.  Don't ever go there.

Going there less and less.  Hey look!  The sun is out today!

... he says, on the internet.


The sun in shining...the sky is blue...

God I love my new desktop background!
 
2013-04-26 02:19:32 PM  

AGremlin: buckler: AGremlin: Yay.....vigilantism!!!!

No more so than calling Crimeline with a tip or lead. They just try to develop those tips and leads from the ground up, based on available or deduced information.

If the "internet detectives" were merely emailing law enforcement with useful leads and tips, I would agree with you.  Some of these people incite violence, libel, slander and encourage behavior only seen in less developed societies and times.

There is a reason the modern criminal justice system evolved into what it is today.  Some of those reasons are to prevent misinformation, avoid lynching, and permanently stigmatizing innocent people. Let's move our justice system forward and not back into the middle ages when witch hunts were a way to mete out justice.

Could the internet be used to help police investigations in the future?  Probably.  Right now there is too much written and verbal diarrhea on the internet to make it effective.


Exactly.  Reddit lead to the missing Brown kid and one of his friend's real names trending world wide on Twitter.  Imagine how his parents felt seeing their son being announced as the Boston Marathon Bomber, then having it retracted, then a few days later police find his body in a ditch.  Congratulations Reddit!  You are the best!!!!1!!!11!

Between that, the Saudi who was arrested for looking Muslim-at-the-Scene and now has to be deported, and CNN's fake arrest report, there is a lot of blame to go around.  The time leading up to the real arrest was just a bunch of childish finger pointing everyone should be embarrassed by.  The lesson to be learned is the exact opposite of TFA's point
 
2013-04-26 02:25:08 PM  

rkiller1: where's Jimmy Hoffa and DB Cooper?


Probably still standing in line waiting for their turn at subby's mom. The line was pretty long...
 
2013-04-26 02:25:51 PM  
Thesis: The Internet is good for solving crimes.
Support: A couple anecdotes on how the Internet helped to solve a tiny fraction of the cases.
 
2013-04-26 02:27:34 PM  
Yeah, sorry we got your kid killed. Our TOS says not to do that, so we're cool, right?
 
2013-04-26 02:28:10 PM  

equusdc: Yeah, sorry we got your kid killed. Our TOS says not to do that, so we're cool, right?


Wait, who "got" someone killed?
 
2013-04-26 02:31:18 PM  
I have heard of people using Google Earth at home and making minor discoveries which later pan out.
 
2013-04-26 02:32:10 PM  

equusdc: Yeah, sorry we got your kid killed. Our TOS says not to do that, so we're cool, right?


If you're talking about Sunil, I suspect he was dead long before Reddit latched on to it. He'd already been missing for a month, and had been suicidal when he went missing...
 
2013-04-26 02:33:27 PM  

LasersHurt: equusdc: Yeah, sorry we got your kid killed. Our TOS says not to do that, so we're cool, right?

Wait, who "got" someone killed?



Sorry, just some deductive speculation based on available evidence. Prove it's not true.
 
2013-04-26 02:35:24 PM  

equusdc: LasersHurt: equusdc: Yeah, sorry we got your kid killed. Our TOS says not to do that, so we're cool, right?

Wait, who "got" someone killed?


Sorry, just some deductive speculation based on available evidence. Prove it's not true.


Uh. I think you think you're making some kind of point? But you're not.
 
2013-04-26 02:37:08 PM  

BafflerMeal: PanicMan: The internet is a terrible place.  Don't ever go there.

Going there less and less.  Hey look!  The sun is out today!


olapbill: Feral_and_Preposterous: Well, when you have 1,000,000,000 ± 999,999,086 opinions floating around: one of them is bound to be plausible.

monkeys. typewriters.  tis the east and Juliet is the sun.


What the hell is this "sun" of which you all speak?
/Can't make me come out of the basement. At least not during daylight hours.
 
2013-04-26 02:47:56 PM  

LasersHurt: equusdc: LasersHurt: equusdc: Yeah, sorry we got your kid killed. Our TOS says not to do that, so we're cool, right?

Wait, who "got" someone killed?


Sorry, just some deductive speculation based on available evidence. Prove it's not true.

Uh. I think you think you're making some kind of point? But you're not.


He got his information from the Internet, which just proves his point.
 
2013-04-26 02:58:02 PM  
Thank you. I'm tired of all of the negative publicity being thrown at a bunch of people who were trying to help. These people weren't evil; they were heartbroken Americans who were full of enthusiasm and patriotism. Reddit never once said "This for sure is the guy." All they did was piece together some images and forwarded the argument to the FBI with a suggestion that they might want to consider it.

By the way, the FBI cracked the case by doing the exact same thing the Reddit community did. They piecemealed a bunch of shots from cameras to recreate a series of events. They just had access to a few additional cameras on storefronts.
 
2013-04-26 03:01:45 PM  

Tommy Moo: Thank you. I'm tired of all of the negative publicity being thrown at a bunch of people who were trying to help. These people weren't evil; they were heartbroken Americans who were full of enthusiasm and patriotism. Reddit never once said "This for sure is the guy." All they did was piece together some images and forwarded the argument to the FBI with a suggestion that they might want to consider it.

By the way, the FBI cracked the case by doing the exact same thing the Reddit community did. They piecemealed a bunch of shots from cameras to recreate a series of events. They just had access to a few additional cameras on storefronts.


And also not to publicaly label/finger the suspect until they were almost 100% certain.

And not to send death threats to the family of the potential perpetrator.

BUT HEY. Other then that, they acted EXACTLY ALIKE.
 
2013-04-26 03:05:39 PM  

Felgraf: And not to send death threats to the family of the potential perpetrator.


Yeah because nobody has ever done dumb shiat like this before.
 
2013-04-26 03:13:03 PM  

LasersHurt: Felgraf: And not to send death threats to the family of the potential perpetrator.

Yeah because nobody has ever done dumb shiat like this before.


Generally the FBI doesn't, no.

/Well, okay, I'm discounting J. Edgar.
 
2013-04-26 03:16:34 PM  

Felgraf: LasersHurt: Felgraf: And not to send death threats to the family of the potential perpetrator.

Yeah because nobody has ever done dumb shiat like this before.

Generally the FBI doesn't, no.

/Well, okay, I'm discounting J. Edgar.


The FBI probably refrains from death threats, sure, but I bet they tend to have a leg up on the internet as far as "arresting and prosecuting" people who turned out to be innocent. Nobody is beyond reproach in that sense, and then you're standing there comparing "death threats" and "arrest and months of prosecution and jail time", and I'm not comfortable choosing one over the other as a better outcome.
 
2013-04-26 03:23:05 PM  

Felgraf: And also not to publicaly label/finger the suspect until they were almost 100% certain.


Richard Jewell frowns on this statement.
 
2013-04-26 03:24:24 PM  

namegoeshere: Felgraf: And also not to publicaly label/finger the suspect until they were almost 100% certain.

Richard Jewell frowns on this statement.


As does "I don't like rice" guy.
 
2013-04-26 03:32:31 PM  

namegoeshere: namegoeshere: Felgraf: And also not to publicaly label/finger the suspect until they were almost 100% certain.

Richard Jewell frowns on this statement.

As does "I don't like rice" guy.


Princess Angelina Contessa Louisa Francesca Banana Fanna Bo Besca the Third  isn't much for the public fingering of prince either.
 Call her Dottie and you die.
 
2013-04-26 03:53:32 PM  
i.imgur.com

I thought this was what the internet was for.
 
gja [TotalFark]
2013-04-26 03:57:44 PM  

Sofa King Smart: [i.imgur.com image 599x900]

I thought this was what the internet was for.


What the....how in the.....where did....?

>>>>headsplodes<<<<<<
 
2013-04-26 04:14:44 PM  
"In the matter of a difficult question it is more likely the correct answer will be derived by the few than by the many."  Rene' Descartes.

And that's  why pure democracy doesn't work, too.
 
2013-04-26 04:14:46 PM  

AlwaysRightBoy: impaler: the future will include unsolicited pizza delivery

Topped with meme's.


I think grumpy-brony-porno-pizza has a nice ring to it.
 
2013-04-26 04:17:10 PM  

gja: Sofa King Smart: [i.imgur.com image 599x900]

I thought this was what the internet was for.

What the....how in the.....where did....?

>>>>headsplodes<<<<<<


I don't know... some reddit thing... supposedly showing true love after 11 years of marriage or something...
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/24/married-couple-photo_n_31495 9 2.html?utm_hp_ref=mostpopular">http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/ 24/married-couple-photo_n_314959 2.html?utm_hp_ref=mostpopular
 
2013-04-26 04:34:42 PM  

BafflerMeal: Basically all of the inherent flaws with a message board that allows up voting, down voting, and reputation scores are present in this.

Crowd sourcing in this fashion defaults to the loudest and toughest accounts, groups prevailing.  Not the most accurate.


So farking much this.  What the self important CHILDREN of reddit (and here too) don't seem to realize is that; everyone says it =/= truth.

Frankly, in an age where the vast majority of reddit can't accurately define the word "evidence", and where those same people don't understand the difference between causation and correlation, I don't really want to rely on them or any similar group to investigate anything.

So long as law enforcement takes these places and the information they bring with a grain of salt, I'm fine.  At any point where reddit or Anon or whoever is taking material to the police which is then being used in court... that's scary.

Also, seriously people, do you know what the demographics are for reddit users?  8/10 high school.  1/10 working professionals under 35.  1/10 random demo.  We are talking about 90% children and IT help desk.  Do you really want these people investigating... anything?
 
2013-04-26 04:37:31 PM  

Sin_City_Superhero: megarian: Does subby know about porn?

Cause the internets have porn, too... Which is nice.

There's porn on the interwebs? Are you sure? I haven't seen any. Must be hidden away in some dark corner of the intertubes, huh?


It is.

And you have to get through this guy ...

i1222.photobucket.com

to see any of it.

So, good luck.
 
2013-04-26 05:09:18 PM  

digitalrain: Jument: BafflerMeal: PanicMan: The internet is a terrible place.  Don't ever go there.

Going there less and less.  Hey look!  The sun is out today!

... he says, on the internet.

The sun in shining...the sky is blue...

God I love my new desktop background!


Until work is over, there's not a lot of sunshine yet. But I know what's waiting for me...

/finally, says everyone else in WI
//sorry MN
 
2013-04-26 05:46:00 PM  

namegoeshere: Felgraf: And also not to publicaly label/finger the suspect until they were almost 100% certain.

Richard Jewell frowns on this statement.



As does Steven Hatfill.

i2.cdn.turner.com
 
2013-04-26 05:47:07 PM  

LasersHurt: FirstNationalBastard: Yeah, the internet sure is a whiz at solving crimes and finding people...

[static.globalgrind.com image 540x396]

That seems like a foolish thing to post.

I mean I get your point, but what, "wrong once, wrong forever"?


When you're wrong 99% of the time, yeah, I think it is okay to completely discount any opinions in the future. They were wrong, over and over again, and show no remorse for any trouble they caused. Screw 'em. Ignore them in the future as enough is enough.
 
2013-04-26 05:50:53 PM  

UnspokenVoice: When you're wrong 99% of the time, yeah, I think it is okay to completely discount any opinions in the future. They were wrong, over and over again, and show no remorse for any trouble they caused. Screw 'em. Ignore them in the future as enough is enough.


Show your work, 99%? I'm sure you have data for this.

Also, who is "they"? Is there a specific internet group you're referring to? Are you referring to the entire population of the internet as "they"?
 
2013-04-26 06:09:59 PM  

LasersHurt: UnspokenVoice: When you're wrong 99% of the time, yeah, I think it is okay to completely discount any opinions in the future. They were wrong, over and over again, and show no remorse for any trouble they caused. Screw 'em. Ignore them in the future as enough is enough.

Show your work, 99%? I'm sure you have data for this.

Also, who is "they"? Is there a specific internet group you're referring to? Are you referring to the entire population of the internet as "they"?


They is the entirety of those who make wild speculations and the number is indeed pulled from my ass (and I figured it was obvious) but probably close enough to the sad real number. The number is probably higher if you count all the mistaken speculations offered online, it is probably closer to the five nines that companies try to achieve for uptime. Either way, the number is drawn straight from my ass to illustrate a point - what percentage would be good enough for you? Any number greater than 0% is unacceptable in my view.

It's good to see that you support wild speculation and accusations that have the power to cause harm though. You're a part of the problem and you admit it. Thank you for your honesty though the world would be a better place without you.

And no, you're free to look, I don't engage in the witch hunts nor make accusations about people committing crimes. I don't even speculate concerning their political or religious views. I wait patiently for the results and admit that I don't know.
 
2013-04-26 06:16:56 PM  

UnspokenVoice: LasersHurt: UnspokenVoice: When you're wrong 99% of the time, yeah, I think it is okay to completely discount any opinions in the future. They were wrong, over and over again, and show no remorse for any trouble they caused. Screw 'em. Ignore them in the future as enough is enough.

Show your work, 99%? I'm sure you have data for this.

Also, who is "they"? Is there a specific internet group you're referring to? Are you referring to the entire population of the internet as "they"?

They is the entirety of those who make wild speculations and the number is indeed pulled from my ass (and I figured it was obvious) but probably close enough to the sad real number. The number is probably higher if you count all the mistaken speculations offered online, it is probably closer to the five nines that companies try to achieve for uptime. Either way, the number is drawn straight from my ass to illustrate a point - what percentage would be good enough for you? Any number greater than 0% is unacceptable in my view.

It's good to see that you support wild speculation and accusations that have the power to cause harm though. You're a part of the problem and you admit it. Thank you for your honesty though the world would be a better place without you.

And no, you're free to look, I don't engage in the witch hunts nor make accusations about people committing crimes. I don't even speculate concerning their political or religious views. I wait patiently for the results and admit that I don't know.


A post... FILLED WITH SPECULATION... about how terrible speculation is.

Spectacular.

Plus, specious aspersions!
 
2013-04-26 06:26:31 PM  

LasersHurt: UnspokenVoice: LasersHurt: UnspokenVoice: When you're wrong 99% of the time, yeah, I think it is okay to completely discount any opinions in the future. They were wrong, over and over again, and show no remorse for any trouble they caused. Screw 'em. Ignore them in the future as enough is enough.

Show your work, 99%? I'm sure you have data for this.

Also, who is "they"? Is there a specific internet group you're referring to? Are you referring to the entire population of the internet as "they"?

They is the entirety of those who make wild speculations and the number is indeed pulled from my ass (and I figured it was obvious) but probably close enough to the sad real number. The number is probably higher if you count all the mistaken speculations offered online, it is probably closer to the five nines that companies try to achieve for uptime. Either way, the number is drawn straight from my ass to illustrate a point - what percentage would be good enough for you? Any number greater than 0% is unacceptable in my view.

It's good to see that you support wild speculation and accusations that have the power to cause harm though. You're a part of the problem and you admit it. Thank you for your honesty though the world would be a better place without you.

And no, you're free to look, I don't engage in the witch hunts nor make accusations about people committing crimes. I don't even speculate concerning their political or religious views. I wait patiently for the results and admit that I don't know.

A post... FILLED WITH SPECULATION... about how terrible speculation is.

Spectacular.

Plus, specious aspersions!


Speculation with the potential to cause harm is the point. That you can't differentiate is telling. Carry on...
 
2013-04-26 09:04:02 PM  

Sin_City_Superhero: megarian: Does subby know about porn?

Cause the internets have porn, too... Which is nice.

There's porn on the interwebs? Are you sure? I haven't seen any. Must be hidden away in some dark corner of the intertubes, huh?


Yeah, I saw one once.

Once...
 
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