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(The Verge)   Apple bans apps from updating on its OS which are not from its own app store. Just kidding, it's Google   (theverge.com) divider line 68
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2013-04-26 08:30:57 AM  
Not sad, actually a good security move. If you have stuff updating from who knows where, wouldn't take much to get someone to figure out how to spoof the source or worse hack the source and push out who knows what sorts of malicious code in an update.
 
2013-04-26 08:47:18 AM  
I actually hope Apple does the same thing, if they haven't already.

And (snicker) Blackberry. And (chortle) Windows Phone 8.
 
2013-04-26 09:01:19 AM  
Greenadder

Can't happen on iOS, (unless jailbroken) simply due to the fact that unless you're jailbroken, you aren't going to be getting apps from anywhere other than the app store.

Those of us that have jailbroken the iPhone, well hopefully we are tech savvy enough to know the risks..and not be a complete farknugget when it comes to these things.
 
2013-04-26 09:01:56 AM  
What does this mean for the Amazon App Store?
 
2013-04-26 09:03:59 AM  

WhyteRaven74: Not sad, actually a good security move. If you have stuff updating from who knows where, wouldn't take much to get someone to figure out how to spoof the source or worse hack the source and push out who knows what sorts of malicious code in an update.


^^ THIS ^^
 
2013-04-26 09:04:38 AM  
I didn't know this was new. The Google Play Store agreement already had something in there about not letting your app down load apps(which is why the Amazon Appstore isn't in the Play Store). I guess this just further clarifies that the app can't download an update to itself either.

Of course this is only for apps that originate within the Play Store. You can still side load all the apps you want out side the store without any sort of messy jail breaking and those apps can update anyway they see fit.
 
2013-04-26 09:05:18 AM  

MemphisSlacker: What does this mean for the Amazon App Store?


The app store won't change, as it uses the Google Play mechanisms to update.
 
2013-04-26 09:06:38 AM  

phimuskapsi: MemphisSlacker: What does this mean for the Amazon App Store?

The app store won't change, as it uses the Google Play mechanisms to update.


I had the same question. Thanks.
 
2013-04-26 09:08:57 AM  
i.imgur.com

BUT FREEDOMS
 
2013-04-26 09:09:29 AM  
I assume you can still turn off the "unknown sources" option and download an .apk and then turn it back on again?
 
2013-04-26 09:10:59 AM  
Mis-leading headline is mis-leading.

I would consider this a serious non-issue.  If FB or any other app wants to send an update, they can submit the update to the store and the store will do the push/notification of update.

I don't need all the apps going out on their own and doing updates.  There are apps that I don't want to update because the permissions changed to something I don't like, or the latest app removes functionality that I like.
 
2013-04-26 09:14:11 AM  

MemphisSlacker: What does this mean for the Amazon App Store?


Absolutely nothing. People are confusing Google's store policies, with the ability to install apps on Android in general. They are completely unrelated. Unlike iOS, the store is not the one and only way to install without jail breaking. The Amazon App Store has never been in the Play store and has never been allowed to be(there's always been a clause forbidding apps in Google's store that download other apps).

Facebook can easily still do their self updating beta program, they just have to send users to a site to download an APK to install the self updating beta app. Amazon can still offer up its Appstore APK on its website and users can still download and install it.
 
2013-04-26 09:14:34 AM  
How is this sad?  You get the app through the Play Store, then the updates come through the Play Store.   You get the app from somewhere else, then the updates come from somewhere else.
 
2013-04-26 09:14:44 AM  
Apple bans apps from updating on its OS which are not from its own app store. Just kidding, it's Google

If  subby would like to explain how to get outside apps onto Apple iOS devices  withoutviolating Apple's TOS and jailbreaking, I'd like to read about it. Otherwise, this trolltastic headline is just whipping out the strawiest of straw men and  subby should feel bad.
 
2013-04-26 09:15:15 AM  

xane: I assume you can still turn off the "unknown sources" option and download an .apk and then turn it back on again?


Yes, people are dumb and confusing Play Store policy with app side loading.
 
2013-04-26 09:17:57 AM  
1. This only applies to apps downloaded from Google Play and not installed via other means
2. I'm surprised it was ever even possible before

MemphisSlacker: What does this mean for the Amazon App Store?


Based on the information given, absolutely nothing.

xane: I assume you can still turn off the "unknown sources" option and download an .apk and then turn it back on again?


Yes.
 
2013-04-26 09:23:42 AM  

ZeroCorpse: If subby would like to explain how to get outside apps onto Apple iOS devices withoutviolating Apple's TOS and jailbreaking, I'd like to read about it. Otherwise, this trolltastic headline is just whipping out the strawiest of straw men and subby should feel bad.


I realize this is not exactly what you meant, but you can deploy applications directly to an iOS device from a Mobile Device Management platform the device is registered with.  This includes commercial apps as well as custom ones.  The updates then come from the MDM as well.  Yes, it is designed for enterprises and not consumers but it (can) completely bypass(es) the app store without jailbreaking.
 
2013-04-26 09:44:53 AM  

ZeroCorpse: Apple bans apps from updating on its OS which are not from its own app store. Just kidding, it's Google

If  subby would like to explain how to get outside apps onto Apple iOS devices  withoutviolating Apple's TOS and jailbreaking, I'd like to read about it. Otherwise, this trolltastic headline is just whipping out the strawiest of straw men and  subby should feel bad.


While being 100% accurate, you missed the point.  Google is a bad company and cannot be trusted.

/BooG(oogle)Man is gonna get you (with targeted advertisements for it's awesome services) oh noes!
 
2013-04-26 09:48:37 AM  
Glad this will not affect me because Google has never recognized my tablet.
 
2013-04-26 09:50:33 AM  

bsharitt: I didn't know this was new. The Google Play Store agreement already had something in there about not letting your app down load apps(which is why the Amazon Appstore isn't in the Play Store). I guess this just further clarifies that the app can't download an update to itself either.

Of course this is only for apps that originate within the Play Store. You can still side load all the apps you want out side the store without any sort of messy jail breaking and those apps can update anyway they see fit.


Bears repeating. Troll headline is trolltastic. Bad subby, bad!
 
2013-04-26 09:57:26 AM  

MemphisSlacker: What does this mean for the Amazon App Store?


Nothing.
 
2013-04-26 09:57:55 AM  

ZeroCorpse: If  subby would like to explain how to get outside apps onto Apple iOS devices  withoutviolating Apple's TOS and jailbreaking


You left out "and without disguising a web app". Forecast.io is the best weather application for iOS, and you aren't going to find it in the AppStore.
 
2013-04-26 10:01:30 AM  
I'm just waiting for the day Apple puts in auto-updates like Android has.
 
2013-04-26 10:04:58 AM  
phimuskapsi:  MemphisSlacker: What does this mean for the Amazon App Store?
The app store won't change, as it uses the Google Play mechanisms to update.


After changing the security settings to allow something from Amazon to install.  On a Galaxy tab the default settings won't allow it.
 
2013-04-26 10:05:27 AM  

t3knomanser: ZeroCorpse: If  subby would like to explain how to get outside apps onto Apple iOS devices  withoutviolating Apple's TOS and jailbreaking

You left out "and without disguising a web app". Forecast.io is the best weather application for iOS, and you aren't going to find it in the AppStore.


The new Yahoo Weather app owns all.  For reals.
 
2013-04-26 10:22:39 AM  
Good.
 
2013-04-26 10:33:44 AM  
theurge14:

The new Yahoo Weather app owns all.  For reals.

Pains me to say it, but yeah... Yahoo really nailed it with that one, apple should take a lesson.
 
2013-04-26 10:43:18 AM  
So? A few updates ago, my iPhone deleted the Youtube app it came with for probably the same reasons.
 
2013-04-26 10:44:38 AM  
Conversely - "Serious security flaws open up Android OS to attacks from any third party app". Plus, now if you need to update a third party app, you uninstall it and then install the updated apk. Well hell, I just read the "article" and it's not even that. Just that apps downloaded from the Play store need to be updated through the Play store.

Additionally - "Only those violating Appples terms of service are able to download third party apps from non-iTunes sources"

I understand why people like Apple products, but lets not kid ourselves. They're luxury products designed to be trendy and simple for folks who don't mind ceding control of their device to Apple.
 
2013-04-26 10:46:23 AM  

Latinwolf: phimuskapsi:  MemphisSlacker: What does this mean for the Amazon App Store?
The app store won't change, as it uses the Google Play mechanisms to update.

After changing the security settings to allow something from Amazon to install.  On a Galaxy tab the default settings won't allow it.


Yes, unknown sources, but updates don't require that step (but seeing as you already switched it, that's a moot point). All Android devices prevent 'Unknown Sources' for Apps by default.

The great thing Tubby (Troll subby), is that we have that option all the time over Apple. You are biatching about a security feature.
 
2013-04-26 10:48:04 AM  

shiate: theurge14:

The new Yahoo Weather app owns all.  For reals.

Pains me to say it, but yeah... Yahoo really nailed it with that one, apple should take a lesson.


I was going to say the same thing but it's too off-script and I figured people would yell at me.
 
2013-04-26 10:48:12 AM  
So the subby is criticizing google for attempting to improve Android's security which is considered to be it's biggest flaw when compared to iOS? You can't even install apps that are not in Apple's own store unless you jailbreak your iPhone.

Personally, I'm against google having any control over the software that I install on my phone. At the same time I'm willing to take responsibility for the security of my own device and avoid shady apps. The problem is that morans are given freedom, install virus/malware/spyware ridden apps, and then blame google. How is google supposed to make a profit and compete with the iPhone when they are being blamed for security issues but expected to do nothing about it?
 
2013-04-26 11:06:08 AM  
Aw, man!  Scroogled again!

/jk
 
2013-04-26 11:27:39 AM  
As others have said, non issue.  For the non technical users it is really better if all updates have to get processed through the Play store, which in theory should at least be scanning the code before pushing it out.

For the rest of us, we can have anything we darn well want after five seconds of fiddling with the settings on the phones.
 
2013-04-26 11:31:04 AM  

shiate: theurge14:

The new Yahoo Weather app owns all.  For reals.

Pains me to say it, but yeah... Yahoo really nailed it with that one, apple should take a lesson.


I'll add to the love fest for this app. It's funny, the iOS uses the same aggregated Yahoo weather data, but that Yahoo app is just so damn good looking.
 
2013-04-26 11:31:41 AM  

ZeroCorpse: Apple bans apps from updating on its OS which are not from its own app store. Just kidding, it's Google

If  subby would like to explain how to get outside apps onto Apple iOS devices  withoutviolating Apple's TOS and jailbreaking, I'd like to read about it. Otherwise, this trolltastic headline is just whipping out the strawiest of straw men and  subby should feel bad.


Not subby, but have you seen Testflight?
 
2013-04-26 12:01:26 PM  

WhyteRaven74: Not sad, actually a good security move. If you have stuff updating from who knows where, wouldn't take much to get someone to figure out how to spoof the source or worse hack the source and push out who knows what sorts of malicious code in an update.


^^^^^^^^^^^^^
 
2013-04-26 12:05:25 PM  

theurge14: t3knomanser: ZeroCorpse: If  subby would like to explain how to get outside apps onto Apple iOS devices  withoutviolating Apple's TOS and jailbreaking

You left out "and without disguising a web app". Forecast.io is the best weather application for iOS, and you aren't going to find it in the AppStore.

The new Yahoo Weather app owns all.  For reals.


Now if only Sportstacular would stop crashing on every device I own.
 
2013-04-26 12:21:42 PM  
What a terrible thing, they are preventing applications from downloading and executing code without your knowledge or Googles approval...
 
2013-04-26 12:31:22 PM  
Update what, subby?

Update is a transitive verb.  I hate how kids these days don't know the difference between transitive verbs and intransitive verbs.
 
2013-04-26 12:35:27 PM  
I'm confused, am I supposed to be outraged that apps on my phone can no longer update themselves via outside of the Google Play Store unless I side-loaded those apps from an outside source to begin with? Please subby tell me so I can prepare my wharrrgarble in a timely fashion.
 
2013-04-26 12:37:04 PM  

envirovore: I'm confused, am I supposed to be outraged that apps on my phone can no longer update themselves via outside of the Google Play Store unless I side-loaded those apps from an outside source to begin with? Please subby tell me so I can prepare my wharrrgarble in a timely fashion.


FTFM
/preview how does it work?
 
2013-04-26 12:48:59 PM  
"An app downloaded from Google Play may not modify, replace or update its own APK binary code using any method other than Google Play's update mechanism."

Google Play? A protected environment.
Sideloading? The wild west

Google are NOT affecting the wild west. You sideload an app, you can keep updating it (although you'll need your own mechanism). I've got some Steam/Humble Bundle games via that route. They work just great. If I want to update, I mount the phone and drag and drop a new one.
 
2013-04-26 12:50:48 PM  

SkittlesAreYum: theurge14: t3knomanser: ZeroCorpse: If  subby would like to explain how to get outside apps onto Apple iOS devices  withoutviolating Apple's TOS and jailbreaking

You left out "and without disguising a web app". Forecast.io is the best weather application for iOS, and you aren't going to find it in the AppStore.

The new Yahoo Weather app owns all.  For reals.

Now if only Sportstacular would stop crashing on every device I own.


Something tells me we're going to see a new Sports app soon from Yahoo.  Marissa Mayer seems to be having an influence.
 
2013-04-26 01:18:58 PM  

GreenAdder: I actually hope Apple does the same thing, if they haven't already.

And (snicker) Blackberry. And (chortle) Windows Phone 8.


Windows Phone 8 should do it the same way as described in the article. It's just like iOS in that updates are delivered through the store.
 
2013-04-26 01:43:45 PM  

BizarreMan: Mis-leading headline is mis-leading.

I would consider this a serious non-issue.  If FB or any other app wants to send an update, they can submit the update to the store and the store will do the push/notification of update.

I don't need all the apps going out on their own and doing updates.  There are apps that I don't want to update because the permissions changed to something I don't like, or the latest app removes functionality that I like.


So it's closed? I swear I been hearing walled garden to no end.
 
2013-04-26 01:53:09 PM  
Google play store been doing this for two+ years now, but you Fandroids need to reign in on your sock puppet parrots acting and saying the opposite.
 
2013-04-26 01:57:37 PM  

drjekel_mrhyde: Google play store been doing this for two+ years now, but you Fandroids need to reign in on your sock puppet parrots acting and saying the opposite.


what the hoohah are you talking about?

I have multiple Android devices, and I want the Play store to manage its own apps without those apps going rogue. I also want to be able to install apps from other sources as I see fit. What Google does or doesn't do with the Play store is their own damned business. What I choose to put on my device through my own means is my damned business. Nothing about that has changed. I really don't know what your point is.
 
2013-04-26 02:20:42 PM  

farkeruk: They work just great. If I want to update, I mount the phone and drag and drop a new one.


Strongly suggest you use different phrasing for that one.

The i fanboys will have a field day over that one (and you don't even need to do that, since you can use Firefox to download APKs)
 
2013-04-26 02:22:14 PM  

drjekel_mrhyde: Google play store been doing this for two+ years now, but you Fandroids need to reign in on your sock puppet parrots acting and saying the opposite.


Care to explain this statement or are you just an iFanboi?
 
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