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(Breitbart.com)   That Mother Jones article saying more right-wingers have killed Americans than Islamists? Yeah, it's about as accurate as you'd expect from that bunch   (breitbart.com) divider line 326
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2013-04-26 11:12:15 AM

Brick-House: edmo: Our country is riddled with crime: rapists, murderers, thieves --  almost all Christians.

But let just one non-Christian set off a bomb...

You're right, except that these so-called Christians are just crooks looking to profit.  Muslims on the other hand just love killing innocent people in the name of the pathetic god.  Now don't get me wrong, not all Muslims are terrorists, but the vast majority of terrorists are indeed Muslims and the world as a whole would be a much more peaceful place if it were not for the religion of peace.


So, it's not a religion of peace... I correct myself.

www.usdl.info

She looks hot under those curtains, in a sex way...
 
2013-04-26 11:12:22 AM

coeyagi: So you're constantly out denouncing Christians who cause harm upon others based on their own religious beliefs?


I don't spend much time denouncing. I do actually try to reason with my father. I got him to back off on his stance regarding gay marriage, which has carried over to what he tells others.

I was explaining to a friend, yesterday, that the bible actually speaks on the unborn and even the recently born, and is more liberal on that than the DNC.

I do a little defending of what I think is right, while always providing the caveat that it is just my interpretation/opinion.
 
2013-04-26 11:14:12 AM
And your way of proving that Mother Jones is not credible is by linking us to Breitbart, the website of a man who was known for making up bullshiat left and right.

There was a Farker in the original thread who broke down exactly how Mother Jones was wrong.  I find them more believable than this.
 
2013-04-26 11:14:12 AM
and not wanting to be negative all the time when it come to Muslims, if they can deal with the bieber, than they would be doing the world a service.

conservativenewjersey.com
 
2013-04-26 11:14:35 AM

HotWingConspiracy: Giltric: HotWingConspiracy: lantawa: There are approximately 32 million "right-wingers" in the U.S.  there are approximately 2.6 Muslims in the U.S.  Calculate the ratios of terrorist acts to total suspect populations, and see what conclusions you can draw.  Begin now. Your work will be graded....

Do we get to define terrorism, or do we have to rely on our government that doesn't consider people like Jim David Adkisson terrorists because they used a gun? How far back can we look?

Plus we get to ignore all the mason jars of acid thrown in womens faces and all the honor rapings and killings....because thats not terrorism.....its just an expression of culture that we should be tolerant of.

Yeah, huge numbers of that going on in the US. And yeah, it's not terrorism.

Would you like to join my drum circle?

No, you're kind of a dick.


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2013-04-26 11:16:22 AM

Philip Francis Queeg: Except when they are Christians?


What would that have to do with it? Seems you think that if I don't say "that christian/murderer" that I'm not saying a person who claims to be christian should be held accountable for murder.

Am I misunderstanding you, here?

Philip Francis Queeg: Neither your double standard nor your arrogance


Which double standard are you talking about? Got any examples?

Also requested: examples of my arrogance.
 
2013-04-26 11:18:38 AM
The Left Wing is completely unrepresented in the statistics.  The Red Terror is just Amy Pond's nickname these days.
 
2013-04-26 11:19:20 AM
Is Brick House just an image posting bot or something?
 
2013-04-26 11:19:54 AM

Cletus C.: birchman: Cletus C.: DeaH: I don't get the point of dividing things into Islamic versus Right Wing terrorism. They are too similar. Both use fundamentalist beliefs as a righteous reason to commit violence on others. Both are trying to impose morality through violence and death. Both think they are on a mission from their creator. It's all the same thing.

Yes, the jihadists and white supremacists gather for a barbecue each year.

There are certain sects of Christianity who don't like each other because they don't worship God the right way. That doesn't mean they're not both considered right-wing.

Why not just call them religious fanatics then? Left wing and right wing are politically charged terms.


Because a white supremacists has nothing to do w/ religion
 
2013-04-26 11:20:21 AM
BLOG FIGHT!
 
2013-04-26 11:21:14 AM

s2s2s2: Philip Francis Queeg: Except when they are Christians?

What would that have to do with it? Seems you think that if I don't say "that christian/murderer" that I'm not saying a person who claims to be christian should be held accountable for murder.


You are willing to say that a person who murders is not really a Christian. You are not only unwilling to say that about Muslims, but are unwilling to educate yourself on the basic facts

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s2s2s2: Philip Francis Queeg: Neither your double standard nor your arrogance

Which double standard are you talking about? Got any examples?


See above.

s2s2s2: Also requested: examples of my arrogance.


Is declaring who is and is not a true follower of Jesus the action of a humble man? Or is it the act of an arrogant man?
 
2013-04-26 11:22:14 AM
 Alright, and now it's gunna be debunked by that last bastion of honest "journalism" known as Breitbart?
Even when it's flamingly obious that an act was carried out by right-wing extreemist they try to claim that they "were really just anarchist". I think they also try to claim that the Nazi's were a far left liberal organization. That tells you everything you need to know about their credibility.

Hypnozombie
 
2013-04-26 11:23:02 AM

ShadowKamui: Cletus C.: birchman: Cletus C.: DeaH: I don't get the point of dividing things into Islamic versus Right Wing terrorism. They are too similar. Both use fundamentalist beliefs as a righteous reason to commit violence on others. Both are trying to impose morality through violence and death. Both think they are on a mission from their creator. It's all the same thing.

Yes, the jihadists and white supremacists gather for a barbecue each year.

There are certain sects of Christianity who don't like each other because they don't worship God the right way. That doesn't mean they're not both considered right-wing.

Why not just call them religious fanatics then? Left wing and right wing are politically charged terms.

Because a white supremacists has nothing to do w/ religion



How sure are you?

The Appleby Baptist Church in Nacogdoches, Texas

"The curse of Ham," an old-time Biblical (mis)interpretation used to vilify black people and justify slavery and laws against racial intermarriage, is still alive and spreading bigotry in the United States.
 
2013-04-26 11:23:16 AM

dehehn: edmo: Our country is riddled with crime: rapists, murderers, thieves --  almost all Christians.

But let just one non-Christian set off a bomb...

The middle east is filled with rapists, murderers and thieves.  We don't call every murder and rape an act of terror in those countries either.  Just because a right-winger who listens to Alex Jones kills someone doesn't make them a terrorist.  When they set off a bomb at a public event they are considered a terrorist.  How many of those are on that list?  I'll give you a hint, don't divide by it.


So, how does this fit your narrative?

May 31, 2009: Dr. George Tiller was shot and killed by Scott Roeder as Tiller served as an usher at church in Wichita, Kansas.

January 1, 2012 Bobby Joe Rogers, 41, firebombed the Clinic in Pensacola, Florida with a; the fire gutted the building. Rogers told investigators that he was motivated to commit the crime by his opposition to abortion,

April 25, 2007: A package left at a women's health clinic in, contained an explosive device capable of inflicting serious injury or death. A bomb squad detonated the device after evacuating the building. Paul Ross Evans (who had a criminal record for armed robbery and theft) was found guilty of the crime.


We could go on and on.
 
2013-04-26 11:25:37 AM
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2013-04-26 11:27:25 AM

Philip Francis Queeg: You are not only unwilling to say that about Muslims


I said I wasn't willing to say that they are actually followers of Islam.

Philip Francis Queeg: See above.


There wasn't anything there(see above).

Philip Francis Queeg: Is declaring who is and is not a true follower of Jesus the action of a humble man? Or is it the act of an arrogant man?


Those aren't the only two options.
 
2013-04-26 11:30:53 AM
s2s2s2:
Nietzsche is Dead.

And so is Breitbart.  Hey-o! (Also dead.)
 
2013-04-26 11:30:56 AM

machodonkeywrestler: May 31, 2009: Dr. George Tiller was shot and killed by Scott Roeder as Tiller served as an usher at church in Wichita, Kansas.


Well, if what I have been reading in this thread is correct, Tiller was performing christian abortions.
 
2013-04-26 11:30:59 AM
Sounds like some butthurt right-tards are still a little upset MoJo exposed Romney for the piece of absolute right-wing shiat that he is with the 47 percent video.

Sorry but MoJo is a preeminent source of real journalism. Brietbart is a dead loser and Ben Shapiro is a King Farkwit of Derp Mountain.
 
2013-04-26 11:31:14 AM

Brick-House: edmo: Our country is riddled with crime: rapists, murderers, thieves --  almost all Christians.

But let just one non-Christian set off a bomb...

You're right, except that these so-called Christians are just crooks looking to profit.  Muslims on the other hand just love killing innocent people in the name of the pathetic god.  Now don't get me wrong, not all Muslims are terrorists, but the vast majority of terrorists are indeed Muslims and the world as a whole would be a much more peaceful place if it were not for the religion of peace.


You are a retarded bigot.
 
2013-04-26 11:32:36 AM
Your daily Facebook Conservative Infographic Strawman:

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2013-04-26 11:33:00 AM

ShadowKamui: DeaH: I don't get the point of dividing things into Islamic versus Right Wing terrorism. They are too similar. Both use fundamentalist beliefs as a righteous reason to commit violence on others. Both are trying to impose morality through violence and death. Both think they are on a mission from their creator. It's all the same thing.

Right wing terrorism is almost always anti-government or racist oriented
Islamic terrorism is a mix of religious and cultural beliefs.  There is very little overlap between the two groups beyond the antisemitism stuff.

Christian terrorism is practically non-existent and is pretty much just some boogie man a bunch of hateful bigots use to bash it.  The bigots were openly hoping for it to be a tea bagger as the Boston bomber so they could finally get a valid BUT BUT look.  Simply put there a bunch of scum bag, bigots who need a rather larger reality check.  If they're doing it simply because they don't agree w/ the women's rights or gay issues, they need to seriously stop w/ the outright lying and hate speech and keep things in perspective.  Otherwise they're no better than the lunatics trying to paint all Muslims as evil for the actions of a few extremists.


Hey, at least you let everyone know you were a moron in the 1st sentence of the second paragraph.
 
2013-04-26 11:34:11 AM

machodonkeywrestler: You are a retarded bigot


Or just an atheist who knows that ridiculing the ridiculous is the best defense against it?
 
2013-04-26 11:34:51 AM

s2s2s2: Philip Francis Queeg: You are not only unwilling to say that about Muslims

I said I wasn't willing to say that they are actually followers of Islam.

Philip Francis Queeg: See above.

There wasn't anything there(see above).

Philip Francis Queeg: Is declaring who is and is not a true follower of Jesus the action of a humble man? Or is it the act of an arrogant man?

Those aren't the only two options.


What other option is there? Are you going to try to use ignorance as a shield again?
 
2013-04-26 11:34:58 AM

s2s2s2: Epoch_Zero: Righteousness is, using your term, egomania

No, my term was the dictionary definition of the word. Reality shut you down, you just haven't accepted it, yet.


Everyone watch out. We got a tough guy here!
 
2013-04-26 11:36:02 AM
We should include attacks and firebombings of abortion clinics.
 
2013-04-26 11:36:17 AM

IdBeCrazyIf: Tatsuma: I know I was just kidding around (the Obama killing people = Islamic terrorism should have clued you in)

I personally give an A- to the Obama Administration's policies on fighting terror. I think it's their best achievement in fact.

I know, I was just ribbing, hoping to start some shiat amongst the unwashed masses (read liters)


See, man... I read that post ribbing you for the picture you posted in the thread about the Iranians dying in the plane crash and was JUST about to come to your defense (foolish thing to post, but you clearly didn't know the whole story at that point), and you go and post that "unwashed masses" bullsh*t about "liters".

So on behalf of the rest of the "unwashed masses" who, for whatever reason, don't pay five bucks a month to see more posts on Fark, go f*ck yourself.
 
2013-04-26 11:36:59 AM

ShadowKamui: DeaH: I don't get the point of dividing things into Islamic versus Right Wing terrorism. They are too similar. Both use fundamentalist beliefs as a righteous reason to commit violence on others. Both are trying to impose morality through violence and death. Both think they are on a mission from their creator. It's all the same thing.

Right wing terrorism is almost always anti-government or racist oriented
Islamic terrorism is a mix of religious and cultural beliefs.  There is very little overlap between the two groups beyond the antisemitism stuff.

Christian terrorism is practically non-existent and is pretty much just some boogie man a bunch of hateful bigots use to bash it.  The bigots were openly hoping for it to be a tea bagger as the Boston bomber so they could finally get a valid BUT BUT look.  Simply put there a bunch of scum bag, bigots who need a rather larger reality check.  If they're doing it simply because they don't agree w/ the women's rights or gay issues, they need to seriously stop w/ the outright lying and hate speech and keep things in perspective.  Otherwise they're no better than the lunatics trying to paint all Muslims as evil for the actions of a few extremists.


When I hear right-wing terrorist, my mind doesn't go to the Tea Party. Mostly, they are just the inverse of the hippies from the 1960s. Many of them are from the same generation as the hippies, and this is now their chance to protest and act out. And, like the hippies, they think their influence is a lot greater than it really was/is.

No, my mind goes to the people who bomb abortion clinics. It goes to the people burning churches. It goes to snipers taking out abortion clinics. Yes, there is also the element of racism, but it is nearly always backed up by a religious belief that the Creator intended a certain pecking order, and the racist is on a mission from a Higher Power to restore the rightful pattern of things.
 
2013-04-26 11:38:16 AM

s2s2s2: machodonkeywrestler: May 31, 2009: Dr. George Tiller was shot and killed by Scott Roeder as Tiller served as an usher at church in Wichita, Kansas.

Well, if what I have been reading in this thread is correct, Tiller was performing christian abortions.


This thread has shown your reading comprehension could use a lot of work.
 
2013-04-26 11:39:38 AM

Frank N Stein: Tatsuma: I'll just repeat what I said in the last thread: what's the point of this exercise?

Even if you add in honor killings to the 50 or so I counted above AND add right-wing violence to the sum total, you still get around 100 murders. In 12 years.

I think it's safe to say that people who are focusing either on Islamic or Right-Wing terrorism should shut the fark up about it. The government is doing a stellar job preventing anything bad from happening most of the time.

Let's care more about drunk-driving, about giving poor children in inner cities a choice so they don't turn to gangs, and the hundreds of other causes that kill more people every year than these things.

It's under control, nothing to see, move along citizens.

It was penned purely to give liberals talking points that they can circle jerk over. I know my somewhat off putting language will be met with sour defenses, but you know it be true.


Or perhaps it was created to respond to constant Fox News calls to profile/exclude/deport/kill Muslims, by exposing the essential hypocrisy in caring about terrorism only when it's perpetrated by bro...

Y'know what? That would require some self awareness and shame from conservativesssssss. Nevermind.
 
2013-04-26 11:40:28 AM

s2s2s2: machodonkeywrestler: You are a retarded bigot

Or just an atheist who knows that ridiculing the ridiculous is the best defense against it?


For some reason, you see yourself as a clear thinking beacon of shining justice who is infallible at judging peoples motivations and convictions. This thread has time and time again shown you this is wrong, but yet continue to insist.
 
2013-04-26 11:40:37 AM

ShadowKamui: Cletus C.: birchman: Cletus C.: DeaH: I don't get the point of dividing things into Islamic versus Right Wing terrorism. They are too similar. Both use fundamentalist beliefs as a righteous reason to commit violence on others. Both are trying to impose morality through violence and death. Both think they are on a mission from their creator. It's all the same thing.

Yes, the jihadists and white supremacists gather for a barbecue each year.

There are certain sects of Christianity who don't like each other because they don't worship God the right way. That doesn't mean they're not both considered right-wing.

Why not just call them religious fanatics then? Left wing and right wing are politically charged terms.

Because a white supremacists has nothing to do w/ religion


Don't they almost always have claim sort of religious connection, even in their names? Like the Aryan Nations and Church of Jesus Christ Christian, Assembly of Christian Soldiers, The Covenant, Sword and Arm of the Lord. I'm sure even the old school Klan claimed Christianity as the basis for their hate.

Even if they're not claiming religion as part of their warped belief system, to call them "right wing" is just taking political sides.
 
2013-04-26 11:41:55 AM

Cletus C.: birchman: Cletus C.: DeaH: I don't get the point of dividing things into Islamic versus Right Wing terrorism. They are too similar. Both use fundamentalist beliefs as a righteous reason to commit violence on others. Both are trying to impose morality through violence and death. Both think they are on a mission from their creator. It's all the same thing.

Yes, the jihadists and white supremacists gather for a barbecue each year.

There are certain sects of Christianity who don't like each other because they don't worship God the right way. That doesn't mean they're not both considered right-wing.

Why not just call them religious fanatics then? Left wing and right wing are politically charged terms.


They are religious fanatics. They lean right politically. The term you use depends on the context of the conversation. This context was discussing the political leanings of terrorists. There are also some who say that Islam isn't a religion which is how they justify discriminating against them. They wouldn't consider them religious fanatics, would they?
 
2013-04-26 11:44:27 AM

Philip Francis Queeg: What other option is there?


Perhaps those are the only to options. I don't declare who is true or not. I can only state my opinion, like I said earlier.
Your question wasn't directed at me, I apologize for my vanity.

machodonkeywrestler: We got a tough guy here!


machodonkeywrestler: reading comprehension


machodonkeywrestler: For some reason, you see yourself as


machodonkeywrestler: reading comprehension

 
2013-04-26 11:44:37 AM

Epoch_Zero: s2s2s2: Philip Francis Queeg: Perhaps you should educate yourself a bit then. I'm sure you wouldn't want to unfairly connect Islam to bad acts out of ignorance, and would love to be able to defend the purity of Islam as you do Christianity.

I don't connect Islam to bad acts, out of ignorance. Since I don't know, I can't say they are a proper representation of the religion. I can still repeat the reasons any bad actor offers as their reasoning, though.

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I would like to point out that that is the truck of a Conservative Christian Republican. You can tell by the license plate "14CV88" :
14 - the Fourteen Words "We must secure the existence of our people and a future for White Children. "
CV - "confederate veteran"
88 - H is the eighth letter of the alphabet. HH stand for "Heil Hitler"

Everything I need to know about American "conservatives" is spelled out on the back of that pickup truck.

/14GOP88
 
2013-04-26 11:45:53 AM

Cletus C.: ShadowKamui: Cletus C.: birchman: Cletus C.: DeaH: I don't get the point of dividing things into Islamic versus Right Wing terrorism. They are too similar. Both use fundamentalist beliefs as a righteous reason to commit violence on others. Both are trying to impose morality through violence and death. Both think they are on a mission from their creator. It's all the same thing.

Yes, the jihadists and white supremacists gather for a barbecue each year.

There are certain sects of Christianity who don't like each other because they don't worship God the right way. That doesn't mean they're not both considered right-wing.

Why not just call them religious fanatics then? Left wing and right wing are politically charged terms.

Because a white supremacists has nothing to do w/ religion

Don't they almost always have claim sort of religious connection, even in their names? Like the Aryan Nations and Church of Jesus Christ Christian, Assembly of Christian Soldiers, The Covenant, Sword and Arm of the Lord. I'm sure even the old school Klan claimed Christianity as the basis for their hate.

Even if they're not claiming religion as part of their warped belief system, to call them "right wing" is just taking political sides.


That was the whole point of the article! I'm not saying I agree whether it's valid or not, but that was exactly what they were trying to do is compare political motivations. They could have just as easily compared terrorists based on gender or height and drawn some sort of conclusion. Then you'd come in screaming about how they were taking sides on gender or height. Well no shiat Sherlock, that's exactly what they said they were doing.
 
2013-04-26 11:49:53 AM

Cletus C.: ShadowKamui: Cletus C.: birchman: Cletus C.: DeaH: I don't get the point of dividing things into Islamic versus Right Wing terrorism. They are too similar. Both use fundamentalist beliefs as a righteous reason to commit violence on others. Both are trying to impose morality through violence and death. Both think they are on a mission from their creator. It's all the same thing.

Yes, the jihadists and white supremacists gather for a barbecue each year.

There are certain sects of Christianity who don't like each other because they don't worship God the right way. That doesn't mean they're not both considered right-wing.

Why not just call them religious fanatics then? Left wing and right wing are politically charged terms.

Because a white supremacists has nothing to do w/ religion

Don't they almost always have claim sort of religious connection, even in their names? Like the Aryan Nations and Church of Jesus Christ Christian, Assembly of Christian Soldiers, The Covenant, Sword and Arm of the Lord. I'm sure even the old school Klan claimed Christianity as the basis for their hate.

Even if they're not claiming religion as part of their warped belief system, to call them "right wing" is just taking political sides.


Oh wait, you guys are serious. Let me laugh even harder.
 
2013-04-26 11:50:02 AM

birchman: Cletus C.: birchman: Cletus C.: DeaH: I don't get the point of dividing things into Islamic versus Right Wing terrorism. They are too similar. Both use fundamentalist beliefs as a righteous reason to commit violence on others. Both are trying to impose morality through violence and death. Both think they are on a mission from their creator. It's all the same thing.

Yes, the jihadists and white supremacists gather for a barbecue each year.

There are certain sects of Christianity who don't like each other because they don't worship God the right way. That doesn't mean they're not both considered right-wing.

Why not just call them religious fanatics then? Left wing and right wing are politically charged terms.

They are religious fanatics. They lean right politically. The term you use depends on the context of the conversation. This context was discussing the political leanings of terrorists. There are also some who say that Islam isn't a religion which is how they justify discriminating against them. They wouldn't consider them religious fanatics, would they?


I tried to find figures on how Muslims voted in the 2012 presidential election but mostly it brought up conservative derpy sites claiming 80 percent or more voted for Obama. Not ready to trust that. That's not to say Muslim equals fanatic, of course, but it's hard to imagine an extremist Muslim supporting Republicans.
 
2013-04-26 11:53:18 AM
 
2013-04-26 11:56:56 AM

that bosnian sniper: Cletus C.: ShadowKamui: Cletus C.: birchman: Cletus C.: DeaH: I don't get the point of dividing things into Islamic versus Right Wing terrorism. They are too similar. Both use fundamentalist beliefs as a righteous reason to commit violence on others. Both are trying to impose morality through violence and death. Both think they are on a mission from their creator. It's all the same thing.

Yes, the jihadists and white supremacists gather for a barbecue each year.

There are certain sects of Christianity who don't like each other because they don't worship God the right way. That doesn't mean they're not both considered right-wing.

Why not just call them religious fanatics then? Left wing and right wing are politically charged terms.

Because a white supremacists has nothing to do w/ religion

Don't they almost always have claim sort of religious connection, even in their names? Like the Aryan Nations and Church of Jesus Christ Christian, Assembly of Christian Soldiers, The Covenant, Sword and Arm of the Lord. I'm sure even the old school Klan claimed Christianity as the basis for their hate.

Even if they're not claiming religion as part of their warped belief system, to call them "right wing" is just taking political sides.

Oh wait, you guys are serious. Let me laugh even harder.


I honestly don't know what you find so funny. Care to elaborate?
 
2013-04-26 11:57:25 AM

SilentStrider: And with such a credible source such as Breitbart telling us this, you know it has to be true.


And with such a credible source such as Breitbart telling us this, you know it has to be true.

And with such a credible source such as Breitbart telling us this, you know it has to be true.

And with such a credible source such as Breitbart telling us this, you know it has to be true.

And with such a credible source such as Breitbart telling us this, you know it has to be true.


/bear repeating
 
2013-04-26 12:02:05 PM

El Morro: See, man... I read that post ribbing you for the picture you posted in the thread about the Iranians dying in the plane crash and was JUST about to come to your defense (foolish thing to post, but you clearly didn't know the whole story at that point), and you go and post that "unwashed masses" bullsh*t about "liters".


... I'dBeCrazyIf posted that line about the unwashed masses, not me.
 
2013-04-26 12:02:32 PM

Cletus C.: That's not to say Muslim equals fanatic, of course, but it's hard to imagine an extremist Muslim supporting Republicans.


It's exorbitantly easy. Let's say you're someone like...oh, I don't know, an Ayatollah.  Your vested interest is in keeping and maintaining power over your congregation, and since you're also in political power your citizenry. Your country has a history of being on the crap end of the colonialism stick, and has strong religious and nationalist sentiment. As such, your entire power base is founded on an "us versus them" mentality coupled with religious zealotry; without that, people start asking unfortunate questions like who put you in power, why you're in charge, whether you're really right or not, and whether they'd do better with someone else in power.

What benefits you better, a hawkish, extremist boogieman at whom you can point to rally the base and silence opposition as unpatriotic, treasonous, unrighteous, and appeasing, or someone willing to bargain and negotiate peacefully who will make your internal opposition look more appealing for having a moderate position?
 
2013-04-26 12:03:27 PM

IlGreven: Smackledorfer: I look at things this way: 100% of mass killing incidents are the responsibility of crazy people deluded into fundamentalism of some kind.

I can't.  Because of the horrible state of mental health services in the U.S., and several high profile players actively blocking any meaningful reform in that area (yeah, Wayne, I'm looking at you)...to label someone as "just crazy" or "just another fundamentalist" tacitly implies that there's nothing we could have done...when in many cases, there is plenty we can do; we just don't do it because it might cost us actual money.


Whether society could have done more/better does not abdicate individuals from responsibility. I hope you aren't saying that.
 
2013-04-26 12:05:42 PM

DirtyDeadGhostofEbenezerCooke: The Left Wing is completely unrepresented in the statistics.  The Red Terror is just Amy Pond's nickname these days.


We're counting civil wars as terrorist acts now?
 
2013-04-26 12:07:54 PM

that bosnian sniper: Cletus C.: That's not to say Muslim equals fanatic, of course, but it's hard to imagine an extremist Muslim supporting Republicans.

It's exorbitantly easy. Let's say you're someone like...oh, I don't know, an Ayatollah.  Your vested interest is in keeping and maintaining power over your congregation, and since you're also in political power your citizenry. Your country has a history of being on the crap end of the colonialism stick, and has strong religious and nationalist sentiment. As such, your entire power base is founded on an "us versus them" mentality coupled with religious zealotry; without that, people start asking unfortunate questions like who put you in power, why you're in charge, whether you're really right or not, and whether they'd do better with someone else in power.

What benefits you better, a hawkish, extremist boogieman at whom you can point to rally the base and silence opposition as unpatriotic, treasonous, unrighteous, and appeasing, or someone willing to bargain and negotiate peacefully who will make your internal opposition look more appealing for having a moderate position?


Nah, the fanatics don't seem all that fond of the Bush policies (invade countries) or the Obama policies (drone their asses). But either may play well on a recruiting poster.
 
2013-04-26 12:08:42 PM

Cletus C.: I honestly don't know what you find so funny. Care to elaborate?


Those people  are right wing ideologies. It's not "taking sides" to call them right wing,  when they are right-wing. Seriously, let's go through the checklist.

In favor of a rigidly hierarchical society? Check.

Support for ethnic, religious, or national identity? Check.

Resistance to societal change (i.e. traditionalism)? Check.

Preoccupation with religious texts, especially as the basis for law? Check.

They are right wing.
 
2013-04-26 12:10:55 PM

Cletus C.: birchman: Cletus C.: birchman: Cletus C.: DeaH: I don't get the point of dividing things into Islamic versus Right Wing terrorism. They are too similar. Both use fundamentalist beliefs as a righteous reason to commit violence on others. Both are trying to impose morality through violence and death. Both think they are on a mission from their creator. It's all the same thing.

Yes, the jihadists and white supremacists gather for a barbecue each year.

There are certain sects of Christianity who don't like each other because they don't worship God the right way. That doesn't mean they're not both considered right-wing.

Why not just call them religious fanatics then? Left wing and right wing are politically charged terms.

They are religious fanatics. They lean right politically. The term you use depends on the context of the conversation. This context was discussing the political leanings of terrorists. There are also some who say that Islam isn't a religion which is how they justify discriminating against them. They wouldn't consider them religious fanatics, would they?

I tried to find figures on how Muslims voted in the 2012 presidential election but mostly it brought up conservative derpy sites claiming 80 percent or more voted for Obama. Not ready to trust that. That's not to say Muslim equals fanatic, of course, but it's hard to imagine an extremist Muslim supporting Republicans.


And most Latinos are conservatives who tend to vote Democratic. Not because they are liberals, but because they are voting AGAINST the party that wants to kick them out of the country. I imagine Muslims feel very similarly when they vote. So what point are you trying to make?
 
2013-04-26 12:12:37 PM

Cletus C.: Nah, the fanatics don't seem all that fond of the Bush policies (invade countries)...


The biggest expansion of radical Islamism since the Iranian revolution occurred under the Bush administration. The Bush administration opened up an entire country that previously had been entirely off-limits to radical Islamism (Iraq), and through heightened support for Israel coupled with Iraq and Afghanistan as well as heightened anti-Islamic rhetoric provided the entire Arab and Muslim world with cause, not to mention validated radical Islamists' claims about the West and neocolonialism.

The Bush administration was  fantastic for radical Islamism, and you're blind if you don't understand or see it.
 
2013-04-26 12:12:51 PM

that bosnian sniper: Cletus C.: I honestly don't know what you find so funny. Care to elaborate?

Those people  are right wing ideologies. It's not "taking sides" to call them right wing,  when they are right-wing. Seriously, let's go through the checklist.

In favor of a rigidly hierarchical society? Check.

Support for ethnic, religious, or national identity? Check.

Resistance to societal change (i.e. traditionalism)? Check.

Preoccupation with religious texts, especially as the basis for law? Check.

They are right wing.


I guess you're saying it's not a political debate, then. I agree.
 
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