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(Breitbart.com)   That Mother Jones article saying more right-wingers have killed Americans than Islamists? Yeah, it's about as accurate as you'd expect from that bunch   (breitbart.com) divider line 326
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2013-04-26 10:22:00 AM

dittybopper: AirGee: edmo: Our country is riddled with crime: rapists, murderers, thieves --  almost all Christians.

But let just one non-Christian set off a bomb...

Timothy McVeigh? Eric Rudolph? Ted Kaczynski?

And, not a bomber, but also Anders Breivik?

They all used Christianity as justification for their actions.  Having this US vs THEM mentality is part of what prevents us from solving the problem of crazies wanting to go out and kill a bunch of people

1. Anders Breivik *WAS* a bomber too.

2.  Ted Kaczynski was as Left-wing as they come, and an atheist.  He didn't use religion as justification

3.  TImothy McVeigh was by no means religious or religiously motivated, describing himself at different times as a lapsed Catholic, an atheist, or an agnostic.  He also didn't use religion as justification.


Weather Underground, starring Obama's pal Bill Ayers, was responsible for more that 30 acts of violence from 1969 to 1987.

Occupy Cleveland terrorist that planned the bridge bombings in 2012

Left-Wing Extremist Plot to Bomb RNC in St. Paul, Minnesota at the 2008 Republican National Convention hoping for mass casualties
 
2013-04-26 10:22:52 AM

s2s2s2: Philip Francis Queeg: But are they Scotsmen?

You got me. There's a cute saying, so that means that people that claim to be something, without holding themselves to the standards of said something claimed, are what they claim to be for the sake of people who don't like either one.


See, here is the deal though:  Some of those incidents involve 'Scotsmen' (in that yes, the people are Right-wing assholes), but they aren't terrorism.

Killing your wife isn't terrorism.

Killing the police who respond to a 9/11 call from you Mom after you get into an argument with her isn't terrorism.

Killing people while committing a common bank robbery, even though the intent is to eventually fund terrorism, isn't terrorism.

The source Mother Jones used played fast and loose with the definition of terrorism, as I pointed out in the thread about the article.  I independently Googled the names mentioned, and even relying on sources like the SPLC it was clear that most (but not 100%) of the incidents plainly involved neo-Nazis, etc., something like roughly half of the incidents couldn't be considered terrorism.
 
2013-04-26 10:25:23 AM

AirGee: edmo: Our country is riddled with crime: rapists, murderers, thieves --  almost all Christians.

But let just one non-Christian set off a bomb...

Timothy McVeigh? Eric Rudolph? Ted Kaczynski?

And, not a bomber, but also Anders Breivik?

They all used Christianity as justification for their actions.  Having this US vs THEM mentality is part of what prevents us from solving the problem of crazies wanting to go out and kill a bunch of people


McVeigh was a sovereign citizen, he had nothing to do w/ religion
 
2013-04-26 10:25:41 AM

s2s2s2: Epoch_Zero: Hence the self part of self-righteousness

Epoch_Zero: All righteousness

So some righteousness, is actual righteousness, and you were wrong.


No, all righteousness is self-righteousness. There can be good deeds done without moral grounds. However, the religious seem to only do good deeds when it fits into their own moral construction, which itself exists to satisfy their own ego, as they view doing good deeds as a selfish means to an end involving their own eventual reward, hence the satisfaction of ego.
 
2013-04-26 10:25:59 AM
I don't get the point of dividing things into Islamic versus Right Wing terrorism. They are too similar. Both use fundamentalist beliefs as a righteous reason to commit violence on others. Both are trying to impose morality through violence and death. Both think they are on a mission from their creator. It's all the same thing.
 
2013-04-26 10:28:07 AM

dittybopper: AirGee: edmo: Our country is riddled with crime: rapists, murderers, thieves --  almost all Christians.

But let just one non-Christian set off a bomb...

Timothy McVeigh? Eric Rudolph? Ted Kaczynski?

And, not a bomber, but also Anders Breivik?

They all used Christianity as justification for their actions.  Having this US vs THEM mentality is part of what prevents us from solving the problem of crazies wanting to go out and kill a bunch of people

1. Anders Breivik *WAS* a bomber too.

2.  Ted Kaczynski was as Left-wing as they come, and an atheist.  He didn't use religion as justification

3.  TImothy McVeigh was by no means religious or religiously motivated, describing himself at different times as a lapsed Catholic, an atheist, or an agnostic.  He also didn't use religion as justification.


Some direct quotes from the Unabomber's Manifesto:

"One of the most widespread manifestations of the craziness of our world is leftism. . . . [W]e have in mind mainly socialists, collectivists, "politically correct" types, feminists, gay and disability activists, animal-rights activists and the like...
[T]wo psychological tendencies that underlie modern leftism we call feelings of inferiority and oversocialization. ... By "feelings of inferiority" we mean ... low self-esteem, feelings of powerlessness, depressive tendencies, defeatism, guilt, self-hatred, etc...

Leftists tend to hate anything that has an image of being strong, good and successful. They hate America, they hate Western civilization, they hate white males, they hate rationality. .. [they hate] America and the West because they are strong and successful...
Words like "self-confidence," "self-reliance," "initiative," "enterprise," "optimism," etc., play little role in the liberal and leftist vocabulary. The leftist is anti- individualistic, pro-collectivist. He wants society to solve everyone's problems for them. ... The leftist is antagonistic to the concept of competition because, deep inside, he feels like a loser...
His feelings of inferiority are so ingrained that he cannot conceive of himself as individually strong and valuable. Hence the collectivism of the leftist. He can feel strong only as a member of a large organization or a mass movement with which he identifies himself...
In all ESSENTIAL respects most leftists of the oversocialized type want to make the black man conform to white, middle- class ideals. They want to make him study technical subjects, become an executive or a scientist, spend his life climbing the status ladder to prove that black people are as good as white. They want to make black fathers "responsible," they want black gangs to become nonviolent, etc. But these are exactly the values of the industrial- technological system...
[A] movement that exalts nature and opposes technology must take a resolutely anti-leftist stance and must avoid all collaboration with leftists. Leftism is in the long run inconsistent with wild nature, with human freedom and with the elimination of modern technology..."
~

"Many leftists are motivated also by hostility, but the hostility probably results in part from a frustrated need for power."
 
2013-04-26 10:28:21 AM

Ctrl-Alt-Del: The entire article is just a string of equivocations and No True Scotsman fallacies. But what else can they do? It will reinforce the rigid authoritarian beliefs of their followers, which is all they really care about anyway


You say that as if Brietbart wasn't already Where Logic Goes to Die.
 
2013-04-26 10:28:43 AM

DeaH: I don't get the point of dividing things into Islamic versus Right Wing terrorism. They are too similar. Both use fundamentalist beliefs as a righteous reason to commit violence on others. Both are trying to impose morality through violence and death. Both think they are on a mission from their creator. It's all the same thing.


Yes, the jihadists and white supremacists gather for a barbecue each year.
 
2013-04-26 10:29:27 AM
You know who else robbed banks...

upload.wikimedia.org

good thing it wasn't terrorism or he would never have been Premier of Soviet Union /s
 
2013-04-26 10:30:06 AM

Tatsuma: /Also we already debunked that a couple of posts in the last thread



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2013-04-26 10:32:02 AM

randomjsa: So basically...

Far left wing website makes utterly vague claims...

Far right wing website examines said claims and says they are wrong...

The Fark liberal response is basically to employ massive ad hominem whining about the far right wing website and just continue screaming that the "right" are terrorists "Because we said so!"

Alternately you could have just dismissed the Mother Jones article as the complete and utter BS that it was and not have to worry if somebody else known for BSing decides to call them on it.


Except that there is no "far left" in this country, except for maybe the three people in the E.L.F. What you call "far left" is actually "barely left of center". What you call "far right" is actually reactionary to the level that they can almost be called Monarchists.
 
2013-04-26 10:32:35 AM

AirGee: edmo: Our country is riddled with crime: rapists, murderers, thieves --  almost all Christians.

But let just one non-Christian set off a bomb...

Timothy McVeigh? Eric Rudolph? Ted Kaczynski?

And, not a bomber, but also Anders Breivik?

They all used Christianity as justification for their actions.  Having this US vs THEM mentality is part of what prevents us from solving the problem of crazies wanting to go out and kill a bunch of people


I normally don't bother responding to my derpier fb friends' political posts, but when one asserted the other day that "no Christian Conservative has ever set off a bomb", I countered with Eric Rudolph. His response: Eric Rudolph was neither Christian nor Conservative. Why? Because he (the fb poster) said so, that's why. Thus provoked, he went on to claim - among other things - that Christians don't want governmental control (unlike those power-grabbing Muslims who can't wait to take over the US), the KKK isn't right-wing (because they started off as Democrats, ya know), the Crusades weren't an example of Christian violence because the Bible doesn't give direct scriptural support for them, and established definitions of political ideology don't matter because they were invented by "academics and professors" who of course are not to be trusted.

Yes, this is indeed what some Conservatives believe. I think in a roundabout way he was trying to say that "real" Christians and Conservatives shouldn't embrace violence as a means to an end (as opposed to those inherently violent "progressives" - another assertion he made), but maybe I'm giving him a little too much benefit of the doubt. I ended up backing away slowly. For all I know, he's still posting War and Peace-length screeds over there right now.
 
2013-04-26 10:32:56 AM

s2s2s2: Philip Francis Queeg: Do you believe those who kill innocents in the name of Islam are really followers of Islam?

Does Islam call for the killing of innocents? I don't know. I've heard a lot of quotes from the Quaran, but I don't know context, so I can't say.


Perhaps you should educate yourself a bit then. I'm sure you wouldn't want to unfairly connect Islam to bad acts out of ignorance, and would love to be able to defend the purity of Islam as you do Christianity.
 
2013-04-26 10:34:24 AM

Epoch_Zero: s2s2s2: Epoch_Zero: Hence the self part of self-righteousness

Epoch_Zero: All righteousness

So some righteousness, is actual righteousness, and you were wrong.

No, all righteousness is self-righteousness. There can be good deeds done without moral grounds. However, the religious seem to only do good deeds when it fits into their own moral construction, which itself exists to satisfy their own ego, as they view doing good deeds as a selfish means to an end involving their own eventual reward, hence the satisfaction of ego.


Said the self-righteous Freudian orthodoxy dogmatist who seems to have no concept of pragmatism, moral law, or Jungian concepts.
 
2013-04-26 10:35:17 AM

edmo: Our country is riddled with crime: rapists, murderers, thieves --  almost all Christians.

But let just one non-Christian set off a bomb...


You're right, except that these so-called Christians are just crooks looking to profit.  Muslims on the other hand just love killing innocent people in the name of the pathetic god.  Now don't get me wrong, not all Muslims are terrorists, but the vast majority of terrorists are indeed Muslims and the world as a whole would be a much more peaceful place if it were not for the religion of peace.
 
2013-04-26 10:35:41 AM

DeaH: I don't get the point of dividing things into Islamic versus Right Wing terrorism. They are too similar. Both use fundamentalist beliefs as a righteous reason to commit violence on others. Both are trying to impose morality through violence and death. Both think they are on a mission from their creator. It's all the same thing.


Islamic terrorism really is right-wing terrorism, just in the name of a different religion.

"In the ideological world, your greatest enemies are those closest to yourself."
~~my Modern Western Civilization professor, circa 1994.
 
2013-04-26 10:36:26 AM

Cletus C.: DeaH: I don't get the point of dividing things into Islamic versus Right Wing terrorism. They are too similar. Both use fundamentalist beliefs as a righteous reason to commit violence on others. Both are trying to impose morality through violence and death. Both think they are on a mission from their creator. It's all the same thing.

Yes, the jihadists and white supremacists gather for a barbecue each year.


There are certain sects of Christianity who don't like each other because they don't worship God the right way. That doesn't mean they're not both considered right-wing.
 
2013-04-26 10:38:38 AM
lantawa:Said the self-righteous Freudian orthodoxy dogmatist who seems to have no concept of pragmatism, moral law, or Jungian concepts.

Says the guy named lantawa who can't see that religion is self-serving.

www.sundriesshack.com
My god, second time in the same thread. This picture needs a beer.
 
2013-04-26 10:38:41 AM

DeaH: I don't get the point of dividing things into Islamic versus Right Wing terrorism. They are too similar. Both use fundamentalist beliefs as a righteous reason to commit violence on others. Both are trying to impose morality through violence and death. Both think they are on a mission from their creator. It's all the same thing.


Right wing terrorism is almost always anti-government or racist oriented
Islamic terrorism is a mix of religious and cultural beliefs.  There is very little overlap between the two groups beyond the antisemitism stuff.

Christian terrorism is practically non-existent and is pretty much just some boogie man a bunch of hateful bigots use to bash it.  The bigots were openly hoping for it to be a tea bagger as the Boston bomber so they could finally get a valid BUT BUT look.  Simply put there a bunch of scum bag, bigots who need a rather larger reality check.  If they're doing it simply because they don't agree w/ the women's rights or gay issues, they need to seriously stop w/ the outright lying and hate speech and keep things in perspective.  Otherwise they're no better than the lunatics trying to paint all Muslims as evil for the actions of a few extremists.
 
2013-04-26 10:41:01 AM

Epoch_Zero: No, all righteousness is self-righteousness.


Sorry, but I already shot that one down. Self righteousness is NOT righteousness. Therefore NO righteousness is self-righteousness. The "Self-" is added to distinguish between actual goodness, and egomania.
 
2013-04-26 10:43:14 AM
Has anybody pointed out that Islamists ARE right-wingers?
 
2013-04-26 10:44:42 AM

Philip Francis Queeg: Perhaps you should educate yourself a bit then. I'm sure you wouldn't want to unfairly connect Islam to bad acts out of ignorance, and would love to be able to defend the purity of Islam as you do Christianity.


I don't connect Islam to bad acts, out of ignorance. Since I don't know, I can't say they are a proper representation of the religion. I can still repeat the reasons any bad actor offers as their reasoning, though.
 
2013-04-26 10:45:20 AM
Sgt Otter:Some direct quotes from the Unabomber's Manifesto:

Forget it Jake, it's Chinatown

Wingnuts have been labeling the Unabomber as a "leftist" for years. It is now just a non-controversial, well accepted fact as far as they are concerned.
 
2013-04-26 10:46:56 AM

s2s2s2: Philip Francis Queeg: Perhaps you should educate yourself a bit then. I'm sure you wouldn't want to unfairly connect Islam to bad acts out of ignorance, and would love to be able to defend the purity of Islam as you do Christianity.

I don't connect Islam to bad acts, out of ignorance. Since I don't know, I can't say they are a proper representation of the religion. I can still repeat the reasons any bad actor offers as their reasoning, though.


So when the bad actor claims Christianity as their justification, You are as willing to repeat and accept that claim as when they are Islamic, right?
 
2013-04-26 10:48:55 AM

Cletus C.: DeaH: I don't get the point of dividing things into Islamic versus Right Wing terrorism. They are too similar. Both use fundamentalist beliefs as a righteous reason to commit violence on others. Both are trying to impose morality through violence and death. Both think they are on a mission from their creator. It's all the same thing.

Yes, the jihadists and white supremacists gather for a barbecue each year.


Yeah, and the people who went to your high school didn't like the people at your rival high school. Doesn't mean the schools aren't basically the same. The divisions are stupid, and there really is very little difference between the groups other than some nomenclature.
 
2013-04-26 10:48:58 AM
i.imgur.com
 
2013-04-26 10:49:47 AM

s2s2s2: Epoch_Zero: No, all righteousness is self-righteousness.

Sorry, but I already shot that one down.


Except you didn't.

Those that do something righteous, that is, doing something that they view through their religion-tainted view that tells them something is indeed righteous to do, is then not done for the act but for the doer.

Righteousness is, using your term, egomania. Simply put, the religious do good things not for the good deeds themselves, but for the praise given to them by others after doing them, be that the praise of others of their faith, society, or their delusion of god. The radical fundamentalist, be he christian or muslim or hindu or sihk or pastafarian, does their violence not for others but for themselves. I'm not sure how you are missing this.
 
2013-04-26 10:51:33 AM

Philip Francis Queeg: So when the bad actor claims Christianity as their justification, You are as willing to repeat and accept that claim as when they are Islamic, right?


Right, I can say "this guy claims his motivation is Christianity". But because I am a preacher's son, who has learned to be more liberal than he ever was by actually paying attention to what the Bible tells me I should do, I can say that person has it wrong.
 
2013-04-26 10:51:41 AM

s2s2s2: Philip Francis Queeg: Perhaps you should educate yourself a bit then. I'm sure you wouldn't want to unfairly connect Islam to bad acts out of ignorance, and would love to be able to defend the purity of Islam as you do Christianity.

I don't connect Islam to bad acts, out of ignorance. Since I don't know, I can't say they are a proper representation of the religion. I can still repeat the reasons any bad actor offers as their reasoning, though.


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2013-04-26 10:53:12 AM

Giltric: Tatsuma: what's the point of this exercise?


That right wing terrorists exist and if we apply criteria loosely, that 8 year old kid killed by one of the Muslim bombers will rise from the dead and shake it off.


A Festivus miracle!
 
2013-04-26 10:53:29 AM

edmo: Our country is riddled with crime: rapists, murderers, thieves --  almost all Christians.

But let just one non-Christian set off a bomb...


You see that fence over there? I built it with my own two hands! Dug up the holes with my shovel, chopped down the trees for the posts by myself, laid every last rail! But do they call me "Dzhokhar the Fence-Builder?" No!

You see that pier on the bay? I built it myself, too. Swam out into the water to lay the foundations, laid down every single board! But do they call me "Dzhokhar the Pier-Builder?" No!


But you set off ONE bomb...
 
2013-04-26 10:53:50 AM

Epoch_Zero: Righteousness is, using your term, egomania


No, my term was the dictionary definition of the word. Reality shut you down, you just haven't accepted it, yet.
 
2013-04-26 10:54:44 AM

lantawa: There are approximately 32 million "right-wingers" in the U.S.  there are approximately 2.6 Muslims in the U.S.  Calculate the ratios of terrorist acts to total suspect populations, and see what conclusions you can draw.  Begin now. Your work will be graded....


Only 10% of the population is right-wing?

I see your point mind you (although one could also say since muslims are coming from abroad that the sample population cannot just count american muslims), but if you are that specific about defining right wing, why be that generic in counting all muslims?

I look at things this way: 100% of mass killing incidents are the responsibility of crazy people deluded into fundamentalism of some kind.
 
2013-04-26 10:54:56 AM

IdBeCrazyIf: Tatsuma: I know I was just kidding around (the Obama killing people = Islamic terrorism should have clued you in)

I personally give an A- to the Obama Administration's policies on fighting terror. I think it's their best achievement in fact.

I know, I was just ribbing, hoping to start some shiat amongst the unwashed masses (read liters)


You mean if I give $5 to some website that is so riven with scripts and ad-links to crappy servers that it barely loads anymore that I will instantly become cool like you?

Pass
 
2013-04-26 10:55:39 AM

s2s2s2: Epoch_Zero: Righteousness is, using your term, egomania

No, my term was the dictionary definition of the word. Reality shut you down, you just haven't accepted it, yet.


Excuse me if I don't take suggestions of reality from "a preacher's son, who has learned to be more liberal than he ever was by actually paying attention to what the Bible tells me I should do"
 
2013-04-26 10:56:58 AM

Epoch_Zero: Excuse me if I don't take suggestions of reality from

...a dictionary.

Edited to be more factual, and specific.

I forgive you.
 
2013-04-26 10:57:53 AM

GoodScout: The article says only two of the cases listed were right-wingers. Just by reading it, I can see it's a lot more. If they're going to lie, they need to get better at it.


I took the hit.  It's not that they're saying they weren't right-wing as much as they were saying they weren't terrorist attacks, or that their motivations weren't tied to their extremism.  But, of course, they make sure to note every "terrorist attack" made by people who happened to be Islamic in the Islamic terrorism category, no matter the real motivation. I mean, hell, if they're gonna discount Jim Adkisson as not being right-wing, or two people who killed in the name of Nazism as not being right-wing, then you probably have to discount the Fort Hood shooter as not being left wing.
 
2013-04-26 10:57:58 AM

s2s2s2: Epoch_Zero: Excuse me if I don't take suggestions of reality from ...a dictionary.

Edited to be more factual, and specific.

I forgive you.


Your perception continues to be incorrect.
 
2013-04-26 10:58:20 AM

s2s2s2: Philip Francis Queeg: So when the bad actor claims Christianity as their justification, You are as willing to repeat and accept that claim as when they are Islamic, right?

Right, I can say "this guy claims his motivation is Christianity". But because I am a preacher's son, who has learned to be more liberal than he ever was by actually paying attention to what the Bible tells me I should do, I can say that person has it wrong.


So why are you unwilling to take the effort to educate yourself  on Islam so that you can make similar determinations? Why remain willfully ignorant? Surely as a true Christian you are as concerned about the good name of Muslims as you are about Christians.
 
2013-04-26 10:58:43 AM
More Americans kill Americans every month than radical Muslims have in a decade.

But that's good ole 2nd amendment supported killin', so it don't matter.

All that matters is giving up rights so we can get them Muslims.
 
2013-04-26 11:00:18 AM

karnal: Left-Wing Extremist Plot to Bomb RNC in St. Paul, Minnesota at the 2008 Republican National Convention hoping for mass casualties



We all hoped for mass casualties at the 2008 GOP convention. Personally, I was praying to the FSM for a meteor impact.
 
2013-04-26 11:03:00 AM

Philip Francis Queeg: So why are you unwilling to take the effort to educate yourself  on Islam so that you can make similar determinations?


Because holding people accountable for their actions is enough for me. "By their fruit, you will know them" and all that shiat.
 
2013-04-26 11:03:13 AM

Grungehamster: GoodScout: The article says only two of the cases listed were right-wingers. Just by reading it, I can see it's a lot more. If they're going to lie, they need to get better at it.

The problem is the No True Scotsman fallacy. If you can show where someone believed anything critical of conservatives than they can't be right wing. Andrew Stack may have attacked the IRS because he hated the government, felt he was Taxed Enough Already, complained about union thugs, and was outraged by the overreach of the bailouts... but he ended his suicide note saying that the current capitalist system as being corrupt and greedy, making him anything but a conservative.


...and like I said, they also say James Von Brunn, while being a white supremacist and holocaust denier, was not a right-winger, while saying the sole motivation of the Fort Hood shooter was Islamic extremism, while it probably was more in line with the Virginia Tech shooter, or even Jared Loughner.
 
2013-04-26 11:04:23 AM

mediablitz: More Americans kill Americans every month than radical Muslims have in a decade.

But that's good ole 2nd amendment supported killin', so it don't matter.

All that matters is giving up rights so we can get them Muslims.


Profiling Muslims = easy

Overcoming NRA = hard

American Legislative Body - We'll tackle the easy problems so you don't have to™
 
2013-04-26 11:04:30 AM

give me doughnuts: karnal: Left-Wing Extremist Plot to Bomb RNC in St. Paul, Minnesota at the 2008 Republican National Convention hoping for mass casualties


We all hoped for mass casualties at the 2008 GOP convention. Personally, I was praying to the FSM for a meteor impact.


Then again in 2012:
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2013-04-26 11:05:45 AM

bugontherug: DeaH: I don't get the point of dividing things into Islamic versus Right Wing terrorism. They are too similar. Both use fundamentalist beliefs as a righteous reason to commit violence on others. Both are trying to impose morality through violence and death. Both think they are on a mission from their creator. It's all the same thing.

Islamic terrorism really is right-wing terrorism, just in the name of a different religion.


Exactly. And don't forget the non-religious "fundamentalists" Plenty of non-religious rightwing extremists out there too. Army of God, Aryan Nation, Sovereign Citizens, Muslim Jihadists. Same dangerous extremist right-wing bullshiat, different costumes
 
2013-04-26 11:06:14 AM

birchman: Cletus C.: DeaH: I don't get the point of dividing things into Islamic versus Right Wing terrorism. They are too similar. Both use fundamentalist beliefs as a righteous reason to commit violence on others. Both are trying to impose morality through violence and death. Both think they are on a mission from their creator. It's all the same thing.

Yes, the jihadists and white supremacists gather for a barbecue each year.

There are certain sects of Christianity who don't like each other because they don't worship God the right way. That doesn't mean they're not both considered right-wing.


Why not just call them religious fanatics then? Left wing and right wing are politically charged terms.
 
2013-04-26 11:06:17 AM

s2s2s2: Philip Francis Queeg: So why are you unwilling to take the effort to educate yourself  on Islam so that you can make similar determinations?

Because holding people accountable for their actions is enough for me. "By their fruit, you will know them" and all that shiat.


So you're constantly out denouncing Christians who cause harm upon others based on their own religious beliefs?  (See: nearly every bill they've proposed regarding reproductive health or sexual orientation since 2010).
 
2013-04-26 11:07:08 AM

Smackledorfer: I look at things this way: 100% of mass killing incidents are the responsibility of crazy people deluded into fundamentalism of some kind.


I can't.  Because of the horrible state of mental health services in the U.S., and several high profile players actively blocking any meaningful reform in that area (yeah, Wayne, I'm looking at you)...to label someone as "just crazy" or "just another fundamentalist" tacitly implies that there's nothing we could have done...when in many cases, there is plenty we can do; we just don't do it because it might cost us actual money.
 
2013-04-26 11:07:09 AM

s2s2s2: Philip Francis Queeg: So why are you unwilling to take the effort to educate yourself  on Islam so that you can make similar determinations?

Because holding people accountable for their actions is enough for me. "By their fruit, you will know them" and all that shiat.


Except when they are Christians? Perhaps you don't understand the teachings of Jesus any better than those you claim aren't really Christians. Neither your double standard nor your arrogance have any basis in his philosophy,.
 
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