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(Breitbart.com)   That Mother Jones article saying more right-wingers have killed Americans than Islamists? Yeah, it's about as accurate as you'd expect from that bunch   (breitbart.com) divider line 326
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2013-04-26 09:45:38 AM

dehehn: When they set off a bomb at a public event they are considered a terrorist. How many of those are on that list?


www.visi.com
 
2013-04-26 09:46:23 AM
Is this where we come to point out that, true or otherwise, you will NEVER lend legitimacy to your point by citing Breitbart to back it?
 
2013-04-26 09:46:51 AM
breitbart vs mother jones? sorry but thats not even popcorn gif worthy. These links are bad and you should feel bad
 
2013-04-26 09:48:09 AM
But Jesus was a Leftist.
 
2013-04-26 09:48:23 AM
I think tallying which side is worse is, on the whole, a stupid game, but I think the broader purpose of the MJ article was to counter the voices on the right who are now suggesting that we stop letting Muslims immigrate, or that we need to start wiretapping mosques, because clearly they're all in league with people out to kill us. By showing that there are crazy white Christian good ol' boys who try and kill us in just about the same numbers, maybe we can see who really it is that tend to be the most dangerous: angry, disaffected men, regardless of race, creed, or culture.

The reason people were saying "I hope the bombers weren't Muslim" isn't because we'd prefer it to have been somebody else, it's because we know that if they are Muslim, it will feed a xenophobia which is already all to prevalent in the world today. Which is much worse for us in the long run than the bombs were*.

*Excepting those who were actual victims of the bombs.
 
2013-04-26 09:49:23 AM

s2s2s2: But Jesus was a Leftist.


Jesus was many things that his followers are not.
 
2013-04-26 09:50:08 AM
A few lines from the article:

This is conspiratorial nonsense, not right-wing extremism.

The motivation is at best split politically.

That is not right-wing. That is white supremacist.

the Nazi movement was left-wing in orientation.

He was a white supremacist and Holocaust denier. He was not a right-winger.

shot a lawyer to death at a gun range so he could steal his gun for use to overthrow the US government in 2010...there is no evidence Peake was a right-winger.

The white supremacist couple killed four people...There is no evidence they were right-wing.

He was brewing in the culture of Nazi hate music. There is no evidence Page was right-wing.


Sorry, Ben.  You aren't allowed to shiat in your own hand, fling it in someone else's face and then say that it is their shiat.
 
2013-04-26 09:51:01 AM

gshepnyc: Well, dumbmitter, considering that Islamists are, by definition, ultra-conservative to begin with, what difference does it make?


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2013-04-26 09:51:13 AM
I would like to point out that it is a false division.
Right wing terrorist and violent Muslim terrorist are both Right wing Terrorist.

Both want others to conform to their extreme and twisted right wing ideology.

Before someone blows their top I am aware that there are left wing terror groups, the article was not discussing them
 
2013-04-26 09:51:16 AM

Hollie Maea: "People who do bad things are not right wing".  That is literally their argument.


If your ideology requires adherence to the rule of law, people who don't follow the rule of law don't share your ideology.
 
2013-04-26 09:51:41 AM

maddogdelta: /\
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ASCII art fail  ;(
 
2013-04-26 09:52:14 AM
This is such a stupid argument.
 
2013-04-26 09:53:03 AM

Giltric: He hated right wingers and said the left wasn't far enough left.......are you sure he carried out the bombings in the name of christianity?


Ted Kaczynski was a born-again christian later in life, however when he carried out the bombings he considered himself an atheist with strong  positivist views. He was also an anarcho-primitivist and carried out the bombings as a way to get his message widespread attention.
 
2013-04-26 09:53:15 AM

whistleridge: Is this where we come to point out that, true or otherwise, you will NEVER lend legitimacy to your point by citing Breitbart to back it?


Seems like the points were made in the MOJO thread yesterday without anyone referencing Brietbart.

This was greenlit just to discredit the points made in the other thread.

It is a retroactive  "rule 5" (http://whale.to/m/disin.html), I mean who would want to be share an opinion with kooks like Brietbart unless they themselves were a kook.
 
2013-04-26 09:53:23 AM
Ben "Friends of Hamas" Shapiro has no credibility.
 
2013-04-26 09:53:53 AM

edmo: Our country is riddled with crime: rapists, murderers, thieves --   almost all Christians.


So True!  Just look at the Christians on their way to church:

www.duila.org
 
2013-04-26 09:55:35 AM

FilmBELOH20: edmo: Our country is riddled with crime: rapists, murderers, thieves --   almost all Christians.

So True!  Just look at the Christians on their way to church:

[www.duila.org image 381x258]


This just doesn't make any sense.

Noteventrolling/10
 
2013-04-26 09:56:07 AM

Philip Francis Queeg: s2s2s2: But Jesus was a Leftist.

Jesus was many things that his followers are not.


Then they aren't followers. They are taking the Lord's name in Vain(ity).
 
2013-04-26 09:56:10 AM
So basically...

Far left wing website makes utterly vague claims...

Far right wing website examines said claims and says they are wrong...

The Fark liberal response is basically to employ massive ad hominem whining about the far right wing website and just continue screaming that the "right" are terrorists "Because we said so!"

Alternately you could have just dismissed the Mother Jones article as the complete and utter BS that it was and not have to worry if somebody else known for BSing decides to call them on it.
 
2013-04-26 09:57:06 AM

s2s2s2: Philip Francis Queeg: s2s2s2: But Jesus was a Leftist.

Jesus was many things that his followers are not.

Then they aren't followers. They are taking the Lord's name in Vain(ity).


All righteousness is self-righteousness.
 
2013-04-26 09:57:59 AM
That Mother Jones article entire Brietbart network of websites saying more right-wingers have killed Americans than Islamists anything? Yeah, it's about as accurate as you'd expect from that bunch
 
2013-04-26 09:58:23 AM

randomjsa: So basically...

Far left wing website makes utterly vague claims...

Far right wing website examines said claims and says they are wrong...

The Fark liberal response is basically to employ massive ad hominem whining about the far right wing website and just continue screaming that the "right" are terrorists "Because we said so!"

Alternately you could have just dismissed the Mother Jones article as the complete and utter BS that it was and not have to worry if somebody else known for BSing decides to call them on it.


If anyone is qualified to speak on the employment of BS, it is certainly not you.
 
2013-04-26 09:58:26 AM

Epoch_Zero: All righteousness is self-righteousness.


righteousness |ˈrīCHəsnəs|
noun
the quality of being morally right or justifiable

Looks like you are verifiably wrong.
 
2013-04-26 09:58:36 AM

Hollie Maea: A few lines from the article:

This is conspiratorial nonsense, not right-wing extremism.

The motivation is at best split politically.

That is not right-wing. That is white supremacist.

the Nazi movement was left-wing in orientation.

He was a white supremacist and Holocaust denier. He was not a right-winger.

shot a lawyer to death at a gun range so he could steal his gun for use to overthrow the US government in 2010...there is no evidence Peake was a right-winger.

The white supremacist couple killed four people...There is no evidence they were right-wing.

He was brewing in the culture of Nazi hate music. There is no evidence Page was right-wing.

Sorry, Ben.  You aren't allowed to shiat in your own hand, fling it in someone else's face and then say that it is their shiat.


The entire article is just a string of equivocations and No True Scotsman fallacies. But what else can they do? It will reinforce the rigid authoritarian beliefs of their followers, which is all they really care about anyway
 
2013-04-26 09:58:43 AM

randomjsa: The Fark liberal response is basically to employ massive ad hominem whining


Nope.  "Ad Hominem" would be if I said "don't listen to breitbart because they are stupid".  Whereas I'm saying "don't listen to breitbart because the basis of their article is "white supremacists are left wing".
 
2013-04-26 10:00:25 AM

nmrsnr: I think tallying which side is worse is, on the whole, a stupid game, but I think the broader purpose of the MJ article was to counter the voices on the right who are now suggesting that we stop letting Muslims immigrate, or that we need to start wiretapping mosques, because clearly they're all in league with people out to kill us. By showing that there are crazy white Christian good ol' boys who try and kill us in just about the same numbers, maybe we can see who really it is that tend to be the most dangerous: angry, disaffected men, regardless of race, creed, or culture.

The reason people were saying "I hope the bombers weren't Muslim" isn't because we'd prefer it to have been somebody else, it's because we know that if they are Muslim, it will feed a xenophobia which is already all to prevalent in the world today. Which is much worse for us in the long run than the bombs were*.

*Excepting those who were actual victims of the bombs.


Except a lot of folks don't seem to understand that they're not different sides.  Calling US right-wing extremists a different "side" than Islamic extremists would be like saying the KKK is a different "side" from the Aryan Nation.
 
2013-04-26 10:00:35 AM
A Brietbart article refuting a Mother Jones article... I think we can safely assume that no one is in the right here.
 
2013-04-26 10:00:36 AM

Epoch_Zero: randomjsa: So basically...

Far left wing website makes utterly vague claims...

Far right wing website examines said claims and says they are wrong...

The Fark liberal response is basically to employ massive ad hominem whining about the far right wing website and just continue screaming that the "right" are terrorists "Because we said so!"

Alternately you could have just dismissed the Mother Jones article as the complete and utter BS that it was and not have to worry if somebody else known for BSing decides to call them on it.

If anyone is qualified to speak on the employment of BS, it is certainly not you.


Since you seem to have a hard time understanding words and logic, are you under the impression that "Epoch" means "Dividing by"?

Way to be an example of what rando's post.
 
2013-04-26 10:01:23 AM

s2s2s2: Philip Francis Queeg: s2s2s2: But Jesus was a Leftist.

Jesus was many things that his followers are not.

Then they aren't followers. They are taking the Lord's name in Vain(ity).


But are they Scotsmen?
 
2013-04-26 10:02:20 AM

randomjsa: So basically... all this crap I am posting below is nonsense.

Far left wing website makes utterly vague claims...

Far right wing website examines said claims and says they are wrong...

The Fark liberal response is basically to employ massive ad hominem whining about the far right wing website and just continue screaming that the "right" are terrorists "Because we said so!"

Alternately you could have just dismissed the Mother Jones article as the complete and utter BS that it was and not have to worry if somebody else known for BSing decides to call them on it.


Fixed for accuracy.
 
2013-04-26 10:02:22 AM

Rapmaster2000: I don't know why you guys worry so much about this stuff when there are so many better things you could be doing like checking out porn, doing drugs, drinking liquor and passing out in the hot sun.  Stuff like that.


laughingsquid.com
 
2013-04-26 10:03:42 AM

s2s2s2: Epoch_Zero: All righteousness is self-righteousness.

righteousness |ˈrīCHəsnəs|
noun
the quality of being morally right or justifiable

Looks like you are verifiably wrong.


Morality is a quality of ego. Feeling good about doing the morally correct thing is to satisfy one's own ego.  Therefore, all righteousness is self-righteousness. The actual good is done without expectation of reward, without prior or afterthought. No moral act guided by religious views is done without expectation of reward, since religion is based on ultimate validation for deeds done.

Don't make me go Nietzsche.
 
2013-04-26 10:04:15 AM

Philip Francis Queeg: But are they Scotsmen?


You got me. There's a cute saying, so that means that people that claim to be something, without holding themselves to the standards of said something claimed, are what they claim to be for the sake of people who don't like either one.
 
2013-04-26 10:04:23 AM

Giltric: neversubmit: Interactive Google Map of Right Wing Violence in America

But no I'm sure The American Front votes democrat /s

They have multiple map points for the same crime....why would they do that?


I don't see that but if that's the case idk.

s2s2s2: neversubmit: Interactive Google Map of Right Wing Violence in America

But no I'm sure The American Front votes democrat /s

Got a less shiatty version of this map?


No, I wasn't very happy with it either.
 
2013-04-26 10:04:56 AM

s2s2s2: Since you seem to have a hard time understanding words and logic, are you under the impression that "Epoch" means "Dividing by"?

Way to be an example of what rando's post.


You're getting straw just everywhere.
 
2013-04-26 10:04:58 AM

Giltric: whistleridge: Is this where we come to point out that, true or otherwise, you will NEVER lend legitimacy to your point by citing Breitbart to back it?

Seems like the points were made in the MOJO thread yesterday without anyone referencing Brietbart.

This was greenlit just to discredit the points made in the other thread.

It is a retroactive  "rule 5" (http://whale.to/m/disin.html), I mean who would want to be share an opinion with kooks like Brietbart unless they themselves were a kook.


Nice reference....
 
2013-04-26 10:05:51 AM

SilentStrider: And with such a credible source such as Breitbart telling us this, you know it has to be true.


So one lying journalist accuses another lying journalist of lying.

Who's telling the truth?
 
2013-04-26 10:07:51 AM

s2s2s2: Philip Francis Queeg: But are they Scotsmen?

You got me. There's a cute saying, so that means that people that claim to be something, without holding themselves to the standards of said something claimed, are what they claim to be for the sake of people who don't like either one.


Do you believe those who kill innocents in the name of Islam are really followers of Islam?
 
2013-04-26 10:08:04 AM

Hollie Maea: A few lines from the article:

This is conspiratorial nonsense, not right-wing extremism.

The motivation is at best split politically.

That is not right-wing. That is white supremacist.

the Nazi movement was left-wing in orientation.

He was a white supremacist and Holocaust denier. He was not a right-winger.

shot a lawyer to death at a gun range so he could steal his gun for use to overthrow the US government in 2010...there is no evidence Peake was a right-winger.

The white supremacist couple killed four people...There is no evidence they were right-wing.

He was brewing in the culture of Nazi hate music. There is no evidence Page was right-wing.

Sorry, Ben.  You aren't allowed to shiat in your own hand, fling it in someone else's face and then say that it is their shiat.


Once again, it's someone using an awful lot of words to say TINSTAAVC.
 
2013-04-26 10:09:10 AM

Epoch_Zero: Feeling good about doing the morally correct thing is to satisfy one's own ego


Feeling good about it is to feel good? Name one property of water, QUICK!

Epoch_Zero: Don't make me go Nietzsche.


Nietzsche is Dead.
 
2013-04-26 10:09:16 AM

Tatsuma: IdBeCrazyIf: Are they including drone strikes in those numbers?

I guess if you personally consider Obama responsible for those deaths, you'll have to add a few hundred deaths in the Islamic terrorism column.


That was funny. Don't worry, people will get the joke.
 
2013-04-26 10:10:40 AM

AirGee: edmo: Our country is riddled with crime: rapists, murderers, thieves --  almost all Christians.

But let just one non-Christian set off a bomb...

Timothy McVeigh? Eric Rudolph? Ted Kaczynski?

And, not a bomber, but also Anders Breivik?

They all used Christianity as justification for their actions.  Having this US vs THEM mentality is part of what prevents us from solving the problem of crazies wanting to go out and kill a bunch of people


1. Anders Breivik *WAS* a bomber too.

2.  Ted Kaczynski was as Left-wing as they come, and an atheist.  He didn't use religion as justification

3.  TImothy McVeigh was by no means religious or religiously motivated, describing himself at different times as a lapsed Catholic, an atheist, or an agnostic.  He also didn't use religion as justification.
 
2013-04-26 10:14:14 AM

s2s2s2: Epoch_Zero: Feeling good about doing the morally correct thing is to satisfy one's own ego

Feeling good about it is to feel good? Name one property of water, QUICK!


Hence the self part of self-righteousness. They do it in order to satisfy themselves, not others.

s2s2s2: Epoch_Zero: Don't make me go Nietzsche.

Nietzsche is Dead.


And?
 
2013-04-26 10:16:42 AM

Philip Francis Queeg: Do you believe those who kill innocents in the name of Islam are really followers of Islam?


Does Islam call for the killing of innocents? I don't know. I've heard a lot of quotes from the Quaran, but I don't know context, so I can't say.
 
2013-04-26 10:17:03 AM
People who use violence to create political change or who respond to political events with violence are terrorists.  People who assault or murder doctors who perform abortions are terrorists.  People who shoot up churches because of the political beliefs of its believers are terrorists.  People who drag gay people behind their moving cards until they're dead, they're terrorists. 

There is a very strong correlation between murderous pro-lifers and right wing political affiliation.  There is a very strong correlation between people who murder gays for their sexual orientation and right wing political affiliation.  But correlation does not necessarily indicate causation.  And personally, I don't see the difference in labeling action terrorist or not coming down to the means by which they chose to kill people.

I used to think that as a Jew, my faith was better than others, not because of any particular characteristic of doctrine or scholarship, but because we didn't use our faith as an excuse to kill people.  We were the people who were constantly murdered because of our faith, but we never used our power to hurt others, mostly because after the Diaspora we didn't have any power.  We'd learned our lesson.  And I was blocking out some of the rather heinous things that Israel was doing in the name of security.  Then a right wing Orthodox nutjob assassinated Rabin.  And that showed me my hypocrisy.
 
2013-04-26 10:19:43 AM
FFS this is not a freaking content.  Irresponsible rhetoric pushes fundamental extremists on both sides to lose what little shiat they have left and do violent things out of fear and hatred.  The numbers don't matter as much as figuring out and stopping the underlying political extremism so stop trying to say that this group kills more or less than this other group.  They both represent different sides of the same coin.
 
2013-04-26 10:19:46 AM

syzygy whizz: SilentStrider: And with such a credible source such as Breitbart telling us this, you know it has to be true.

I will not soil my cursor by clicking on a Breitbart link.


So you saw it was a link to Breitbart and stopped by to let us know that you wouldn't click on it ..... you're as special as your Momma said you was
 
2013-04-26 10:20:36 AM

YouAreItNoTagBacks: FFS this is not a freaking content.  Irresponsible rhetoric pushes fundamental extremists on both sides to lose what little shiat they have left and do violent things out of fear and hatred.  The numbers don't matter as much as figuring out and stopping the underlying political extremism so stop trying to say that this group kills more or less than this other group.  They both represent different sides of the same coin.


contest* - Too early for not previewing.
 
2013-04-26 10:20:46 AM

Oerath: A Brietbart article refuting a Mother Jones article... I think we can safely assume that no one is in the right here.


Next on Fark...David Berkowitz's dog...could Sam have been right?
 
2013-04-26 10:20:57 AM

Epoch_Zero: Hence the self part of self-righteousness


Epoch_Zero: All righteousness


So some righteousness, is actual righteousness, and you were wrong.
 
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