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(Breitbart.com)   That Mother Jones article saying more right-wingers have killed Americans than Islamists? Yeah, it's about as accurate as you'd expect from that bunch   (breitbart.com) divider line 325
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2013-04-26 08:21:45 AM
And with such a credible source such as Breitbart telling us this, you know it has to be true.
 
2013-04-26 08:24:08 AM
Our country is riddled with crime: rapists, murderers, thieves --  almost all Christians.

But let just one non-Christian set off a bomb...
 
2013-04-26 08:28:05 AM
Brietbart might as well become a fact checking organization. All others have turned biased within a short time
 
2013-04-26 08:30:30 AM

edmo: Our country is riddled with crime: rapists, murderers, thieves --  almost all Christians.

But let just one non-Christian set off a bomb...


People are scared of what is different. It is human nature.

It doesn't excuse them from not being enlightened, however...
 
2013-04-26 08:31:40 AM
It's truly a Golden Age for us here at Amalgamated Goalpost Transport.
 
2013-04-26 08:34:58 AM
Are they including drone strikes in those numbers?
 
2013-04-26 08:35:33 AM
So we move from Mother Jones to Breibart?

When you have crazy and throw more crazy on it, it doesn't cancel itself, it becomes squared.


/Also we already debunked that a couple of posts in the last thread
 
2013-04-26 08:36:15 AM

IdBeCrazyIf: Are they including drone strikes in those numbers?


I guess if you personally consider Obama responsible for those deaths, you'll have to add a few hundred deaths in the Islamic terrorism column.
 
2013-04-26 08:38:36 AM

Tatsuma: I guess if you personally consider Obama responsible for those deaths, you'll have to add a few hundred deaths in the Islamic terrorism column.


To be fair, in years past instead of targeted drone strikes it would have been indiscriminate bombing miles high from B52 with thousands of 500 to 2000 pound bombs, so we've gotten at least a little better right?
 
2013-04-26 08:39:48 AM

IdBeCrazyIf: To be fair, in years past instead of targeted drone strikes it would have been indiscriminate bombing miles high from B52 with thousands of 500 to 2000 pound bombs, so we've gotten at least a little better right?


I know I was just kidding around (the Obama killing people = Islamic terrorism should have clued you in)

I personally give an A- to the Obama Administration's policies on fighting terror. I think it's their best achievement in fact.
 
2013-04-26 08:42:09 AM

SilentStrider: And with such a credible source such as Breitbart telling us this, you know it has to be true.


This.
 
2013-04-26 08:42:29 AM
The DeadLiar site says what?  Never mind.
 
2013-04-26 08:42:52 AM

Tatsuma: IdBeCrazyIf: Are they including drone strikes in those numbers?

I guess if you personally consider Obama responsible for those deaths, you'll have to add a few hundred deaths in the Islamic terrorism column.


3/10. It'll get a few bites.
 
2013-04-26 08:43:03 AM

sammyk: Brietbart might as well become a fact checking organization. All others have turned biased within a short time


wat
 
2013-04-26 08:43:14 AM
Done in one.
 
2013-04-26 08:43:45 AM
Hey, remember when Andrew Breitbart had a fatal heart attack at 43? I'm sure cocaine had nothing to do with it.
 
2013-04-26 08:43:55 AM
The article says only two of the cases listed were right-wingers. Just by reading it, I can see it's a lot more. If they're going to lie, they need to get better at it.
 
2013-04-26 08:46:11 AM
I'll just repeat what I said in the last thread: what's the point of this exercise?

Even if you add in honor killings to the 50 or so I counted above AND add right-wing violence to the sum total, you still get around 100 murders. In 12 years.

I think it's safe to say that people who are focusing either on Islamic or Right-Wing terrorism should shut the fark up about it. The government is doing a stellar job preventing anything bad from happening most of the time.

Let's care more about drunk-driving, about giving poor children in inner cities a choice so they don't turn to gangs, and the hundreds of other causes that kill more people every year than these things.

It's under control, nothing to see, move along citizens.
 
2013-04-26 08:47:25 AM

SilentStrider: And with such a credible source such as Breitbart telling us this, you know it has to be true.


Every irony meter on the planet just exploded.

Sounded like popcorn.
 
2013-04-26 08:48:07 AM

Mr. Coffee Nerves: It's truly a Golden Age for us here at Amalgamated Goalpost Transport.


I wouldn't call this goalpost moving. It's a dispute of whether or not a particular instance can fall under the sometimes ambiguous definition of terrorism.
 
2013-04-26 08:50:09 AM

Tatsuma: I'll just repeat what I said in the last thread: what's the point of this exercise?

Even if you add in honor killings to the 50 or so I counted above AND add right-wing violence to the sum total, you still get around 100 murders. In 12 years.

I think it's safe to say that people who are focusing either on Islamic or Right-Wing terrorism should shut the fark up about it. The government is doing a stellar job preventing anything bad from happening most of the time.

Let's care more about drunk-driving, about giving poor children in inner cities a choice so they don't turn to gangs, and the hundreds of other causes that kill more people every year than these things.

It's under control, nothing to see, move along citizens.


It was penned purely to give liberals talking points that they can circle jerk over. I know my somewhat off putting language will be met with sour defenses, but you know it be true.
 
2013-04-26 08:50:25 AM

Tatsuma: IdBeCrazyIf: To be fair, in years past instead of targeted drone strikes it would have been indiscriminate bombing miles high from B52 with thousands of 500 to 2000 pound bombs, so we've gotten at least a little better right?

I know I was just kidding around (the Obama killing people = Islamic terrorism should have clued you in)

I personally give an A- to the Obama Administration's policies on fighting terror. I think it's their best achievement in fact.


And we all know Tatsuma's reaction to civilians being killed in the name of fighting terrorism...
www.gambooge.net
 
2013-04-26 08:50:45 AM
Brietbart fact checking, that about ruined my keyboard.
 
2013-04-26 08:51:05 AM

HotWingConspiracy: sammyk: Brietbart might as well become a fact checking organization. All others have turned biased within a short time

wat


The right-wing derpsphere is annoyed that the "lamestream press", before we had actual suspects in the Boston bombings, said a few times that it could very well be domestic terrorism or right wing groups, not Muslim terrorists.  To them, the fair and balanced way to cover this would have been to say when first reporting the explosions, "Some raghead did this."
 
2013-04-26 08:52:14 AM

Tatsuma: When you have crazy and throw more crazy on it, it doesn't cancel itself, it becomes squared.


Pretty much.  I don't bother attempting most of the drivel from either site unless it's something like this (where one site blasts another site).  On occasion, I find those blog wars an amusing diversion.
 
2013-04-26 08:52:38 AM

Tatsuma: I'll just repeat what I said in the last thread: what's the point of this exercise?

Even if you add in honor killings to the 50 or so I counted above AND add right-wing violence to the sum total, you still get around 100 murders. In 12 years.

I think it's safe to say that people who are focusing either on Islamic or Right-Wing terrorism should shut the fark up about it. The government is doing a stellar job preventing anything bad from happening most of the time.

Let's care more about drunk-driving, about giving poor children in inner cities a choice so they don't turn to gangs, and the hundreds of other causes that kill more people every year than these things.

It's under control, nothing to see, move along citizens.


Nice. Accurate. Concise. Reasonable. Correct.  Kudos and accolades......
 
2013-04-26 08:53:30 AM

Tatsuma: Even if you add in honor killings to the 50 or so I counted above AND add right-wing violence to the sum total, you still get around 100 murders. In 12 years.

I think it's safe to say that people who are focusing either on Islamic or Right-Wing terrorism should shut the fark up about it. The government is doing a stellar job preventing anything bad from happening most of the time.


One the one hand, you're right that the number of murders is tiny. On the other hand, you may be giving the government a bit too much credit. I think its more likely that there simply aren't that many people out there who actually want to commit mass violence or religious warfare in any real sense, and almost all who actually do want to are incapable of it. The amount of actual competent, able people who want to commit religious murder is simply not very large, and our fear of them has always been outsized.
 
2013-04-26 08:54:38 AM

Frank N Stein: Tatsuma: I'll just repeat what I said in the last thread: what's the point of this exercise?

Even if you add in honor killings to the 50 or so I counted above AND add right-wing violence to the sum total, you still get around 100 murders. In 12 years.

I think it's safe to say that people who are focusing either on Islamic or Right-Wing terrorism should shut the fark up about it. The government is doing a stellar job preventing anything bad from happening most of the time.

Let's care more about drunk-driving, about giving poor children in inner cities a choice so they don't turn to gangs, and the hundreds of other causes that kill more people every year than these things.

It's under control, nothing to see, move along citizens.

It was penned purely to give liberals talking points that they can circle jerk over. I know my somewhat off putting language will be met with sour defenses, but you know it be true.


Breitbart.com: liberal false flag operation
 
2013-04-26 08:55:10 AM
Comparing Mother Jones to Breitbart? Really? A slightly left-of-center publication (MJ) vs reactionary batshiat-insane Repubilcan propaganda rag? Talk about comparing apples and screwdrivers...
 
2013-04-26 08:55:53 AM

Tatsuma: I know I was just kidding around (the Obama killing people = Islamic terrorism should have clued you in)

I personally give an A- to the Obama Administration's policies on fighting terror. I think it's their best achievement in fact.


I know, I was just ribbing, hoping to start some shiat amongst the unwashed masses (read liters)
 
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2013-04-26 08:56:09 AM
Does the Confederacy count as "right wingers"?
 
2013-04-26 08:56:09 AM
Wow, another troll headline on Fark.com...I am not even surprised anymore, this is getting old
 
2013-04-26 08:57:01 AM

GoodScout: The article says only two of the cases listed were right-wingers. Just by reading it, I can see it's a lot more. If they're going to lie, they need to get better at it.


This.
 
2013-04-26 08:58:09 AM

sammyk: Brietbart might as well become a fact checking organization. All others have turned biased within a short time


They can start with their own archives.
 
2013-04-26 08:58:15 AM

DamnYankees: One the one hand, you're right that the number of murders is tiny. On the other hand, you may be giving the government a bit too much credit. I think its more likely that there simply aren't that many people out there who actually want to commit mass violence or religious warfare in any real sense, and almost all who actually do want to are incapable of it. The amount of actual competent, able people who want to commit religious murder is simply not very large, and our fear of them has always been outsized.


I wish you were right, but yeah
http://www.feinstein.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/files/serve?File_id =a dec6e10-68ed-4413-8934-3623edc62cef

Either way, as I said, it's still irrelevant because the FBI seems to stop at least 99% of these crimes in their track, so we should concentrate on more pressing matters as a society and not try to fix something that is not broken. Or concerns ourselves with it
 
2013-04-26 08:59:41 AM
I always go to Breitbart to find out who is trustworthy and who isn't.  Now if you'll excuse me, I'm thirsty so I'm going to drink a tall glass of sand, rock salt, and glass shards.
 
2013-04-26 08:59:58 AM

Philip Francis Queeg: And we all know Tatsuma's reaction to civilians being killed in the name of fighting terrorism...


Came for Tatsuma's "jumping for joy". Staying for the rationalizations.

/consistantly posting that is one of the reason's he ignored me.
//i think it was adding "Hooray! Tatsuma is here!" to the image that eventually pushed it over the edge
 
2013-04-26 09:00:10 AM
There are approximately 32 million "right-wingers" in the U.S.  there are approximately 2.6 Muslims in the U.S.  Calculate the ratios of terrorist acts to total suspect populations, and see what conclusions you can draw.  Begin now. Your work will be graded....
 
2013-04-26 09:01:32 AM
How many Americans have died because of the right wing terrorists in congress
 
2013-04-26 09:01:36 AM

GoodScout: The article says only two of the cases listed were right-wingers. Just by reading it, I can see it's a lot more. If they're going to lie, they need to get better at it.


The problem is the No True Scotsman fallacy. If you can show where someone believed anything critical of conservatives than they can't be right wing. Andrew Stack may have attacked the IRS because he hated the government, felt he was Taxed Enough Already, complained about union thugs, and was outraged by the overreach of the bailouts... but he ended his suicide note saying that the current capitalist system as being corrupt and greedy, making him anything but a conservative.
 
2013-04-26 09:02:04 AM
Breitbart uses the Beltway sniper as a counterweight in statistics. That's like using some random car accidents.  Those killings were not religious in nature.  They were an extended plot to kill his wife.
 
2013-04-26 09:03:41 AM

mrlewish: Breitbart uses the Beltway sniper as a counterweight in statistics. That's like using some random car accidents.  Those killings were not religious in nature.  They were an extended plot to kill his wife.


Except that there was absolutely no proof to support that, and the judge explicitly told the prosecution to drop that line of reasoning and not bring it up during the trial. According to his own writings, it was in the name of jihad.
 
2013-04-26 09:03:41 AM

SilentStrider: And with such a credible source such as Breitbart telling us this, you know it has to be true.


All you had to do was look up the cases cited by MOJO.

If a racist white power neo nazi shot their white wife in an act of domestic violence MOJO counted it as right wing terrorism.

Christina Regusters should have been under MOJOs Muslim terrorism category if the fruit was hanging that low.....due duligence would tell you more than Briebart would anyway...why do you rely on the media to spoon feed you opinions?
 
2013-04-26 09:04:08 AM

LouDobbsAwaaaay: I always go to Breitbart to find out who is trustworthy and who isn't.  Now if you'll excuse me, I'm thirsty so I'm going to drink a tall glass of sand, rock salt, and glass shards.


Will you at least have flouride with it?
 
2013-04-26 09:04:41 AM

Shvetz: Hey, remember when Andrew Breitbart had a fatal heart attack at 43? I'm sure cocaine had nothing to do with it.


Dr. we need you back in the OR to save this kid, you can post your detailed findings later
 
2013-04-26 09:07:35 AM
"That bunch?"
 
2013-04-26 09:08:23 AM
Hey everybody, lets have a silly argument and use Mother Jones and Breibart as our source material?

We are offically through the looking glass now
 
2013-04-26 09:08:24 AM

Tatsuma: what's the point of this exercise?



That right wing terrorists exist and if we apply criteria loosely, that 8 year old kid killed by one of the Muslim bombers will rise from the dead and shake it off.
 
2013-04-26 09:08:46 AM

Tatsuma: So we move from Mother Jones to Breibart?

When you have crazy and throw more crazy on it, it doesn't cancel itself, it becomes squared.


/Also we already debunked that a couple of posts in the last thread


And I'm learning about the square root principle right now... What you have to do is take the square root of both sides, then... shiat... i forgot.

/something about isolating the variable
 
2013-04-26 09:10:09 AM

DamnYankees: Tatsuma: Even if you add in honor killings to the 50 or so I counted above AND add right-wing violence to the sum total, you still get around 100 murders. In 12 years.

I think it's safe to say that people who are focusing either on Islamic or Right-Wing terrorism should shut the fark up about it. The government is doing a stellar job preventing anything bad from happening most of the time.

One the one hand, you're right that the number of murders is tiny. On the other hand, you may be giving the government a bit too much credit. I think its more likely that there simply aren't that many people out there who actually want to commit mass violence or religious warfare in any real sense, and almost all who actually do want to are incapable of it. The amount of actual competent, able people who want to commit religious murder is simply not very large, and our fear of them has always been outsized.


This is true.  But Tatsuma does make a fair point.  The government has uncovered a few genuine terrorist plots before they could be carried out.  Now, it's arguable as to how advanced those plots were or how well organized they were, but the fact is that law enforcement detected them and stopped them.

If there is anything to "fear", it's more of these single individuals carrying out mass attacks like Boston.  Those are suspects who are very difficult to detect without the US becoming a police state, and that is simply not going to happen.  But at some point, are these "terrorists" or simply maniacs with access to better tools of mass death (e.g. homemade bombs, semi-automatic weapons, etc.)
 
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