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(LA Times)   Study finds that Los Angeles has the worst traffic in the nation. Some cars are still stuck in the same place on the 405 from the last time the study was done   (latimes.com) divider line 147
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2013-04-26 08:57:11 AM  
In Honolulu, the second-worst city and a previous traffic jam winner, drivers wasted about nine hours less.

I would never have guess this for number two.  I would think Hawaii would be ripe for public transportation, there is only so much sprawl you can have.
 
2013-04-26 09:05:00 AM  
Surprised Manhattan isn't up there. Maybe because they have better mass transit.
 
2013-04-26 09:12:29 AM  

Mugato: Surprised Manhattan isn't up there. Maybe because they have better mass transit.


Same for Chicago. The Circle interchange is a vortex of suck.
 
2013-04-26 09:18:34 AM  
how long have you been stuck in this traffic?

2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-04-26 09:24:58 AM  

kaedric: how long have you been stuck in this traffic?


Came for that.
 
2013-04-26 09:26:12 AM  

Mugato: Surprised Manhattan isn't up there. Maybe because they have better mass transit.


Not maybe, definitely. There is no serviceable mass transit in LA, while NYC has mass transit that goes all the way out to Long Island, Connecticut, and New Jersey. You can even grab Amtrak trains from Penn Station. Some politicians have been pushing for more mass transit options, but other politicians have been fighting it tooth and nail. Most of you can probably figure out which side is for better mass transit and which side is against.
 
2013-04-26 09:31:18 AM  

EvilEgg: In Honolulu, the second-worst city and a previous traffic jam winner, drivers wasted about nine hours less.

I would never have guess this for number two.  I would think Hawaii would be ripe for public transportation, there is only so much sprawl you can have.



I've often wondered the same thing. I mean you can walk across it in a day, but it seems all they have tiny little roads that can get blocked by getting a moped sideways. Or so I've been told.

/If it's that bad, just walk. Owning a car there has to be expensive anyway.
 
2013-04-26 09:31:27 AM  

kaedric: how long have you been stuck in this traffic?

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Damn, too quick for me.
 
2013-04-26 09:31:35 AM  
street.sfstation.com

You should've gotten back on San Vicente, taken it over to the 10, then switched over to the 405 north and let it dump you out onto Mulholland!
 
2013-04-26 09:37:37 AM  
I'm no longer a Los Angelino, so it doesn't affect me personally any more, but back when I was reading up on ideas to reduce congestion I came across the concept of credit-based congestion pricing that really seemed like one of the more equitable ways to ration the limited resource of road space.
 
2013-04-26 09:38:52 AM  
As an Angelino and someone who frequents Honolulu - Hawaii traffic is much more frustrating.

//WAZE
 
2013-04-26 09:41:40 AM  
i'm always amused when i'm in LA and people always talk about time rather than distance when giving directions.
 
2013-04-26 09:42:19 AM  
I'd love to take public transportation out here, but it's God awful. My commute takes about 45 minutes each way, and public transportation would take a hour and a half. I'd also have to spend twice what I pay for gas. Thanks LA!
 
2013-04-26 09:44:00 AM  

Sybarite: I came across the concept of credit-based congestion pricing


Dude, that's just gross.  Keep those kind of stories to yourself.
 
2013-04-26 09:55:03 AM  

Louisiana_Sitar_Club: Sybarite: I came across the concept of credit-based congestion pricing

Dude, that's just gross.  Keep those kind of stories to yourself.


They should name those. Roads with some kind of toll to use them.
 
2013-04-26 09:58:56 AM  
I live in the Bay Area, and sometimes drive to LA. Last time I did, it took me four hours to get from here down I-5 and to the LA border. From there to my destination? Another four freakin' hours.
 
2013-04-26 10:01:48 AM  
Came for The Doctor references, leaving satisfied after only 4 posts.
 
VTC
2013-04-26 10:03:35 AM  
It doesn't help that everyone driving in LA is in a perpetual state of "FARK YOU AND YOU AND YOU AND YOU>>>ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME NOW NOW NOW NOW MINE MINE MINE MINE FARK YOU FARK YOU FARK YOU!"  Having recently been transplanted to this god forsaken place, I am constantly amazed at the perma-derp of everyone out here...not only the head up the arse perma-derp, but the complete and total lack of basic human niceties and manners. I've never encountered a group of people more willing to fark themselves in order to fark everyone else. There isn't any amount of infrastructure that's going to fix this. Ugh. *end of rant*

/*note, I'm from Mississippi
//also important to note that I typically fark myself in order to be polite to others
///LA is making me learn to say fark everyone, like everyone else in this sh*thole.
 
2013-04-26 10:05:53 AM  
Hawaii is second place? Please. The Washington D.C. area has the worst traffic.

Citation given: http://articles.washingtonpost.com/2013-02-05/local/36751062_1_traffi c -congestion-tim-lomax-new-index

Try sitting on 95 south in the evening rush hour (which begins around 2:30pm and goes to 8:00pm) and see what the 9th level of Hell is like. I rarely make this trek, but one Friday night I tried it and it took 3 hours to go 30 miles.
 
2013-04-26 10:06:52 AM  

FlashHarry: i'm always amused when i'm in LA and people always talk about time rather than distance when giving directions.


I had to get used to checking what traffic was like before I left for work/school/play.  I grew up in Pittsburgh...never checked traffic ONCE!!   And I used to work in Dahntahn.
 
2013-04-26 10:08:51 AM  
Wait.  What about New Jersey?
 
2013-04-26 10:09:07 AM  

FlashHarry: i'm always amused when i'm in LA and people always talk about time rather than distance when giving directions.


As a relatively recent transplant to South Florida (yes, insane, I know), I find directions here are also best expressed in time rather than distance.

That and too many perfectly good routes are interrupted by canals.
 
2013-04-26 10:10:29 AM  

VTC: It doesn't help that everyone driving in LA is in a perpetual state of "FARK YOU AND YOU AND YOU AND YOU>>>ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME NOW NOW NOW NOW MINE MINE MINE MINE FARK YOU FARK YOU FARK YOU!"  Having recently been transplanted to this god forsaken place, I am constantly amazed at the perma-derp of everyone out here...not only the head up the arse perma-derp, but the complete and total lack of basic human niceties and manners. I've never encountered a group of people more willing to fark themselves in order to fark everyone else. There isn't any amount of infrastructure that's going to fix this. Ugh. *end of rant*

/*note, I'm from Mississippi
//also important to note that I typically fark myself in order to be polite to others
///LA is making me learn to say fark everyone, like everyone else in this sh*thole.


Holy crap dude!   Sorry your experiences have been terrible.  I love living out here!   And, for the most part, people here have been very nice to me.  Even saying 'hello' and 'good morning'.   Had some strange experiences on the freeways but that's par for the course.
 
2013-04-26 10:12:05 AM  

raerae1980: And I used to work in Dahntahn.


i40.tinypic.com

there's... nothing to do... downtown!
 
2013-04-26 10:17:02 AM  

Walker: Try sitting on 95 south in the evening rush hour (which begins around 2:30pm and goes to 8:00pm) and see what the 9th level of Hell is like. I rarely make this trek, but one Friday night I tried it and it took 3 hours to go 30 miles.


Or 66. I'd love to meet the geniuses that routed a major interstate through a soon-to-be-densely populated area with no f'ing easement whatsoever.

"Two lanes one way? You sure that'll be enough?"

"It'll be fine. Besides the Metrorail will be taking the major load anyway. What's the worst that could happen?"
 
VTC
2013-04-26 10:19:32 AM  
raerae1980:

Holy crap dude!   Sorry your experiences have been terrible.  I love living out here!   And, for the most part, people here have been very nice to me.  Even saying 'hello' and 'good morning'.   Had some strange experiences on the freeways but that's par for the course.

Yeah man, I certainly don't want to sound like dick about it...but I've lived all over the country (and the world), met a lot of farkheads....but folk out here seem to take it to a new level. I'm the sort of guy that was raised to say yes ma'am and yes sir, hold doors, say pardon me etc.... I can tell you, that stuff doesn't work out here. If I hold the door for one person, everyone else will push their way through and never even make eye contact, leaving me standing there holding the door for the whole freaking city. Pardon me? Nope...I say that phrase and people look at me like I'm an alien.

Before I moved out here, I heard from several people that folks are really cool, really laid back out here...unfortunately, the only thing I've encountered is a massive group of self serving fark heads who've never encountered manners.

I know that assessment is harsh. I'm usually always the first one to give folks the benefit of the doubt, but my politeness has nearly lost all of it's steam. Sometimes I want to stop people and shake them and say "HEY! I know no one has ever told you this before...but you are a total ASS!" I think if I did do this, it would shake folks ego to the core...

Also, I've never lived in a more segregated, racist place on Earth and I'm from Mississippi!
 
2013-04-26 10:19:37 AM  

VTC: It doesn't help that everyone driving in LA is in a perpetual state of "FARK YOU AND YOU AND YOU AND YOU>>>ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME NOW NOW NOW NOW MINE MINE MINE MINE FARK YOU FARK YOU FARK YOU!"  Having recently been transplanted to this god forsaken place, I am constantly amazed at the perma-derp of everyone out here...not only the head up the arse perma-derp, but the complete and total lack of basic human niceties and manners. I've never encountered a group of people more willing to fark themselves in order to fark everyone else. There isn't any amount of infrastructure that's going to fix this. Ugh. *end of rant*

/*note, I'm from Mississippi
//also important to note that I typically fark myself in order to be polite to others
///LA is making me learn to say fark everyone, like everyone else in this sh*thole.


Want to make Los Angelinos happier? Go back to Mississippi, and take all those other crappy out-of-state drivers with you.

/Native
 
2013-04-26 10:24:04 AM  
I didn't see mention of DC. I thought we were #1. :(
 
2013-04-26 10:25:54 AM  

ManateeGag: Wait.  What about New Jersey?


The worst spots are usually getting in and out of adjacent cities and the shore traffic during the summer months (though there are some super secret back ways). My wife used to take the bus to the city, about 20 miles as the crow flies but it would take her over an hour (not that bad if you compare to LA, DC) where most of the delay was getting through the Lincoln. There are some corridors that are always bad (like between New Brunswick and Woodbridge area where all routes are jammed during rush hour - though it's usually only one way). When I drive south on the GSP 30 miles to work (Union to Monmouth County) there's no traffic, but northbound has some pockets.

So overall it's not bad (but some have it terribad). I attribute that to our better than decent public transportation system.
 
2013-04-26 10:26:13 AM  

VTC: I know that assessment is harsh. I'm usually always the first one to give folks the benefit of the doubt, but my politeness has nearly lost all of it's steam. Sometimes I want to stop people and shake them and say "HEY! I know no one has ever told you this before...but you are a total ASS!" I think if I did do this, it would shake folks ego to the core...


Nah, it wouldn't go in, it would just impact on the surface. And then he'd say he'd have to be at the gym in 26 minutes.
 
2013-04-26 10:28:59 AM  
love pretty much everything about living in los angeles, but the traffic is hellish.  seems like in the last 3-4 years people keep driving slower and slower and slower.  i am fairly convinced it is because 75% of the drivers are reading and sending texts.  makes me so cranky i don't thank people for holding doors for me.
 
2013-04-26 10:29:43 AM  
Mass transit = Socialism.   Free market = Solution to everything.   Blah, blah, blah.
 
2013-04-26 10:30:18 AM  
Way to not directly link the source, LA Times.

for those curious what the Top 10 is:

1. Los Angeles (+6%)
2. Honolulu (+4%)
3. San Francisco (+3%)
4. Austin (+8%)
5. New York (+10%)
6. Bridgeport (+16%)
7. San Jose (+13%)
8. Seattle (-11%)
9. Washington, D.C. (-5%)
10. Boston (+31%)
 
2013-04-26 10:31:45 AM  
I know this is a little anecdotal, but it regularly takes me over 2.5 hours to go 25-30 miles in Atlanta.
 
2013-04-26 10:31:46 AM  

Walker: Hawaii is second place? Please. The Washington D.C. area has the worst traffic.

Citation given: http://articles.washingtonpost.com/2013-02-05/local/36751062_1_traffi c -congestion-tim-lomax-new-index

Try sitting on 95 south in the evening rush hour (which begins around 2:30pm and goes to 8:00pm) and see what the 9th level of Hell is like. I rarely make this trek, but one Friday night I tried it and it took 3 hours to go 30 miles.


95 is pretty rough. It is going to get worse soon as we combine the weekend get-away traffic for the summer. However, I would reserve the 9th level of Hell statement for the Capital Beltway (495). That is ALWAYS busy! The only time you can get on 495 and it not be backed up somewhere, like 2 in the morning.
 
VTC
2013-04-26 10:32:47 AM  
The Martian Manhandler:

Want to make Los Angelinos happier? Go back to Mississippi, and take all those other crappy out-of-state drivers with you.

/Native


*THIS... I have to say that as an out of state driver in this shiat hole, I drive much better/faster than you tards out here. I don't feel the need to stop traffic in order to gawk at a sig alert. I've learned that using a signal is an invitation to be farked and I know how to get into a moving lane out of a blocked lane instead if saying fark everyone else at the bottle neck.

I should also add, that I didn't choose to move out here. I'm a military spouse, so I go where I'm told. So I'm counting the days "bra". I'll be glad to leave this tar pit to you naval gazing farktards when my time is up.
 
VTC
2013-04-26 10:34:33 AM  

johnny queso: love pretty much everything about living in los angeles, but the traffic is hellish.  seems like in the last 3-4 years people keep driving slower and slower and slower.  i am fairly convinced it is because 75% of the drivers are reading and sending texts.  makes me so cranky i don't thank people for holding doors for me.


**THIS. I've never seen so many drivers doing everything other than driving!
 
2013-04-26 10:34:38 AM  
I always thought (and still do) that it is strange out there that you can drive around for months without a tag on your car. You can't pull the crap around DC.
 
2013-04-26 10:37:41 AM  

xxmedium: Walker: Try sitting on 95 south in the evening rush hour (which begins around 2:30pm and goes to 8:00pm) and see what the 9th level of Hell is like. I rarely make this trek, but one Friday night I tried it and it took 3 hours to go 30 miles.

Or 66. I'd love to meet the geniuses that routed a major interstate through a soon-to-be-densely populated area with no f'ing easement whatsoever.

"Two lanes one way? You sure that'll be enough?"

"It'll be fine. Besides the Metrorail will be taking the major load anyway. What's the worst that could happen?"


They could double the capacity of the roads and make Metro free, the biggest problem would still remain: DC-area drivers.
 
2013-04-26 10:39:01 AM  

xxmedium: Walker: Try sitting on 95 south in the evening rush hour (which begins around 2:30pm and goes to 8:00pm) and see what the 9th level of Hell is like. I rarely make this trek, but one Friday night I tried it and it took 3 hours to go 30 miles.

Or 66. I'd love to meet the geniuses that routed a major interstate through a soon-to-be-densely populated area with no f'ing easement whatsoever.

"Two lanes one way? You sure that'll be enough?"

"It'll be fine. Besides the Metrorail will be taking the major load anyway. What's the worst that could happen?"


Yeah I had put "66 or 95" but erased the 66 part because 95 is even worse. DC to Fredericksburg on a Friday evening? Forget about it. DC to Baltimore north on 95 in the evenings is also a nightmare. As far as 66 goes, stopping the orange line in Vienna was a major mistake. The way growth is going now it should be extended all the way to Gainesville.
 
2013-04-26 10:42:49 AM  

VTC: raerae1980:

Holy crap dude!   Sorry your experiences have been terrible.  I love living out here!   And, for the most part, people here have been very nice to me.  Even saying 'hello' and 'good morning'.   Had some strange experiences on the freeways but that's par for the course.

Yeah man, I certainly don't want to sound like dick about it...but I've lived all over the country (and the world), met a lot of farkheads....but folk out here seem to take it to a new level. I'm the sort of guy that was raised to say yes ma'am and yes sir, hold doors, say pardon me etc.... I can tell you, that stuff doesn't work out here. If I hold the door for one person, everyone else will push their way through and never even make eye contact, leaving me standing there holding the door for the whole freaking city. Pardon me? Nope...I say that phrase and people look at me like I'm an alien.

Before I moved out here, I heard from several people that folks are really cool, really laid back out here...unfortunately, the only thing I've encountered is a massive group of self serving fark heads who've never encountered manners.

I know that assessment is harsh. I'm usually always the first one to give folks the benefit of the doubt, but my politeness has nearly lost all of it's steam. Sometimes I want to stop people and shake them and say "HEY! I know no one has ever told you this before...but you are a total ASS!" I think if I did do this, it would shake folks ego to the core...

Also, I've never lived in a more segregated, racist place on Earth and I'm from Mississippi!


Your experiences have been so different from mine.  Maybe because I'm female.
 
2013-04-26 10:43:38 AM  
One time LA had a really bad traffic jam - much worse than normal.  I think it was in... 1974?

Unfortunately, that one still shows no signs of abating.
 
2013-04-26 10:44:42 AM  
If there's one thing I can take from this thread, it's that VTC really hates Southern California.
 
2013-04-26 10:44:45 AM  

dr.zaeus: I know this is a little anecdotal, but it regularly takes me over 2.5 hours to go 25-30 miles in Atlanta.


As an Atlanta resident, I was also coming to ask "where da ATL?", but the source's methodology also lists the worst specific stretches of road as well.

Atlanta doesn't even show up on that list until #89 (the stretch of GA-400 in Alpharetta between Holcomb and Old Milton) and again at #158 (I-85 from Chamblee-Tucker to Jimmy Carter).
 
2013-04-26 10:45:32 AM  
Trivia from my past: Botts dots, Sig alerts, the El Toro Y.
 
VTC
2013-04-26 10:45:38 AM  
*keeps ranting*

And the hipsters...don't get me started on the hipsters.
 
2013-04-26 10:46:10 AM  

kaedric: how long have you been stuck in this traffic?

[2.bp.blogspot.com image 454x223]


Every time I see that episode, I wish it had been Gene Wolfe's "Bluesberry Jam" story instead.  A bit less action but infinitely more believable.

/be sure to drop off your corpses in the large truck
 
2013-04-26 10:47:41 AM  
..also, I think I-20 east of I-285 was robbed
 
2013-04-26 10:48:13 AM  

VTC: *keeps ranting*

And the hipsters...don't get me started on the hipsters.


Go for it! This is my entertainment this morning - I haven't had the same experience with CA, but I can count the number of times I've driven on the 405 on one hand.
 
2013-04-26 10:49:35 AM  
Having recently escaped LA, I'm getting a kick..........
 
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