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2013-04-26 08:23:42 AM
Get over it, RoundUp ain't going away until it becomes ineffective.

Which I hear is coming soon, so no worries the class of 2050 will not be fat and stupid.
 
2013-04-26 08:46:15 AM

EvilEgg: Which I hear is coming soon, so no worries the class of 2050 will not be fat and stupid.


Thanks Monsanto!
 
2013-04-26 09:04:23 AM

EvilEgg: Get over it, RoundUp ain't going away until it becomes ineffective.

Which I hear is coming soon, so no worries the class of 2050 will not be fat and stupid.


I'm not worried.  The same company that makes it is also making genetically engineered plants that can withstand larger and larger doses of the stuff.

I for one, welcome our weedy mutant cancer-causing plant overlords.
 
2013-04-26 09:14:55 AM
Surprise, surprise. A chemical that can cause a weed to wilt in two hours is toxic to humans. I still won't stop using it though. Stuff is awesome.
 
2013-04-26 09:15:09 AM
I much preferred the autism study yesterday.  I can't wait for more research into what causes the inclusions and see if that might be the link people have been waiting for.
 
2013-04-26 09:18:10 AM

DubyaHater: Surprise, surprise. A chemical that can cause a weed to wilt in two hours is toxic to humans. I still won't stop using it though. Stuff is awesome.


I know, shiat is fantastic. I had some Japanese Knotweed growing in my yard, and it exploded. I thought I was going to lose the entire yard until I hit it with roundup. Very satisfying.
 
2013-04-26 09:18:10 AM
And a partridge in a pear tree.
 
2013-04-26 09:18:43 AM

EvilEgg: Get over it, RoundUp ain't going away until it becomes ineffective.

Which I hear is coming soon, so no worries the class of 2050 will not be fat and stupid.


Because the replacement product will really be, this time we mean it, no joke, clean, cheap and safe.

/honest
//hint: It's Agent Orange
 
2013-04-26 09:19:04 AM
Oh wow, a sensational claim, let's have a look at the source.  Hmm, published in an open access "journal" by authors describing themselves as an "independent scientist" and a computer programmer.  Yeah I'm gonna call BS on this.  Exposing ourselves to all these chemicals probably isn't a very good idea, but this is not solid research against it.
 
2013-04-26 09:19:18 AM
Your blog sucks.
 
2013-04-26 09:22:41 AM
Spectracide has always worked better for me. And for the really nasty stuff - woody type plants like poison oak/ivy - I'll bring out the crossbow and nuke the sh*t from orbit.
 
2013-04-26 09:23:26 AM
Consequences are most of the diseases and conditions associated with a Western diet, which include gastrointestinal disorders, obesity, diabetes, heart disease, depression, autism, infertility, cancer and Alzheimer's disease.

LOL.  Keep farking that chicken, Mother Nature Network.
 
2013-04-26 09:23:39 AM
First, I hate "scientific" claims that don't provide citations.  Second, I hate perfectly manicured green lawns.
 
2013-04-26 09:24:26 AM
Monsanto sucks
 
2013-04-26 09:26:38 AM

pag1107: Oh wow, a sensational claim, let's have a look at the source.  Hmm, published in an open access "journal" by authors describing themselves as an "independent scientist" and a computer programmer.  Yeah I'm gonna call BS on this.  Exposing ourselves to all these chemicals probably isn't a very good idea, but this is not solid research against it.


THIS. Crap biased news source posts unreviewed article and claims it is science. These folks are as credible as your average AGW denier, showing that scientific illiteracy is not confined to the right side of the political spectrum.
 
2013-04-26 09:27:19 AM

Ker_Thwap: First, I hate "scientific" claims that don't provide citations.  Second, I hate perfectly manicured green lawns.


Seriously, farking tacky green squares of suburban ennui.
 
2013-04-26 09:27:23 AM

DubyaHater: Surprise, surprise. A chemical that can cause a weed to wilt in two hours is toxic to humans. I still won't stop using it though. Stuff is awesome.



Neither will the farmers that use it to grow your food. I'm sure that faint mist that drifts over my house when they crop dust isn't harmful.....

 If the ignorant biatch in the article doesn't "appreciate the use of weed killers such as Roundup in public areas" she's really gonna be thrilled when someone tells her about Roundup's largest users.
 
2013-04-26 09:27:51 AM
But hey great news kids, soon farmers won't be buying this stuff and spraying it on their crops anymore-because Monsanto has genetically engineered plants that can produce it all on their own!  Isn't that great?  And thanks to an anonymous member of the  US Congress, the USDA can't say "boo" to them about letting this stuff into the wild

yippie?
 
2013-04-26 09:27:52 AM
Ugh, fark off. As much as i hate Monsanto as a company, there is very little proof Roundup is dangerous to humans and overwhelming studies showing no effect. Entropy journal? What the fark is this?
 
2013-04-26 09:28:09 AM
Hold on, all the authors of the journal are saying is that if you eat an excessive amount of tainted food, regularly, you might unbalance the bacteria in your stomach.  IF you unbalance the bacteria in your stomach AND you eat foods that are mildly toxic excessively that would normally be broken down by helpful bacteria AND your colon function is impaired through poor nutrition, then that poor nutrition eventually leads to health problems which can be aggravated by all the toxins you are regularly eating.

So their study seems to show that if you have a harsh diet (in terms of colon lining), you should eat more yogurt and fiber, and you'll be fine.
 
2013-04-26 09:28:13 AM
meh. i'm just going to plant a frontlawn of nothing but dandelions then spray them with glyphosate to make resistant ones. then keep planting them. maybe add some medicago or something to fix nitrogen in the same system. grass is dumb.
 
2013-04-26 09:29:10 AM

Mr Guy: bacteria in your stomach.


stomach. bacteria? helicobacter? what? are u good at teh science?
 
2013-04-26 09:29:24 AM
We used Ortho on our yard last week. Didn't work. Might have to up the ante. Those weeds well die this year. I don't care if i have to poison the whole neighborhood to do it.
 
2013-04-26 09:29:36 AM
I thought all of those were blamed on binge drinking and red meat.
 
2013-04-26 09:30:59 AM

Magorn: because Monsanto has genetically engineered plants that can produce it all on their own!


your trolling. doesn't demonstrate advanced knowledge of the economics of crop protection products. the plants, they are resistant. the chemicals go on the plants. both, they are sold for teh money.
 
2013-04-26 09:32:07 AM

utah dude: Mr Guy: bacteria in your stomach.

stomach. bacteria? helicobacter? what? are u good at teh science?


Not when I'm typing quickly, reading a journal on one screen, and mocking it on the other while waiting for a compiler...
 
2013-04-26 09:32:11 AM

DubyaHater: Surprise, surprise. A chemical that can cause a weed to wilt in two hours is toxic to humans. I still won't stop using it though. Stuff is awesome.


Well, it may be toxic, but this "research" paper doesn't even start to prove it.  Not one bit of research (except the keyboard kind) was done, so I guess a you could call it a review.  And most of the cited papers talk about the toxicity to bacteria, which of course it is if the bacteria use the Shikamate pathway (animals don't, some microbes and most plants do).  By extension, ANY disease linked to the microbial flora is automatically assigned to RoundUp!!!
 
2013-04-26 09:32:53 AM

Mr Guy: Not when I'm typing quickly, reading a journal on one screen, and mocking it on the other while waiting for a compiler...


perhaps -o 4 flag on brain? venti starbucks.
 
2013-04-26 09:33:17 AM
I'm gonna say bullshiat. This is about as legitimate as saying vaccinations cause autism.

I'm not saying the stuff is harmless, I would just like to see an actual scientific study done by actual scientists.

/besides, I ain't weeded by hand.
// still don't use it on the veggie garden
 
2013-04-26 09:34:35 AM
 I thought it was odd that my Botany professor who otherwise seemed like kind of a hippy told us that these pesticides were basicly harmless because all they did was interfere with plant hormones. A little less suprised when my Chem prof gave a sudo rant every year (pre, chem1, chem2) about how chemicals were chemicals and were everywere and a man made chemical was basicly no diff to chemicals found in nature. It later all made sense when I found out the local Chamber of Comerece directed a good deal of money to the school for influence over curriculum. Of course as stated it was "to ensure standards for local bussiness needs" but the scripted and, in the case of Botany, out of place nature of the afore mentioned interactions made me feel it was a bit more than that.

Hypnozombie
 
2013-04-26 09:35:08 AM
I always wonder what Trimec would do if you used it all the time.

/damn good pre-emergant weed killer
//use only as directed
 
2013-04-26 09:35:15 AM

IdBeCrazyIf: EvilEgg: Which I hear is coming soon, so no worries the class of 2050 will not be fat and stupid.

Thanks

MonsantoObama!

FTFY
 
2013-04-26 09:37:24 AM
Monsanto is above the law thanks to Obama.  Suck it haters!
 
2013-04-26 09:38:54 AM

big pig peaches: I'm gonna say bullshiat. This is about as legitimate as saying vaccinations cause autism.

I'm not saying the stuff is harmless, I would just like to see an actual scientific study done by actual scientists.

/besides, I ain't weeded by hand.
// still don't use it on the veggie garden


Based on their actual claims in the paper, they may be sort right.  They just don't really seem to be claiming what they think they are.  I have no idea if their data was collected properly, but their basic claim is really more that the average western diet relies on healthy microbial environments in the intestines to help us process our food.  They are more or less inadvertently claiming that residues of pesticides are killing enough intestinal microbes that it's tipping the malnutrition scale from "stinky poop" to "health problems".  They are also claiming something similar as DDT, that residue build up in the environment is killing enough helpful bacteria, fungi, and molds that some of the lower levels of the food web use to avoid other more harmful stuff, and that things like tadpoles are succumbing to diseases they should be able to fight off.
 
2013-04-26 09:39:11 AM
Roundup immune weeds are spreading quietly all over the states currently, and there a barley contained panic about what to do.
 
2013-04-26 09:39:25 AM

HypnozombieX: I thought it was odd that my Botany professor who otherwise seemed like kind of a hippy told us that these pesticides were basicly harmless because all they did was interfere with plant hormones.


Yeah, there's definitely no link between hormone regulation and cancer.
 
2013-04-26 09:41:47 AM

DubyaHater: Surprise, surprise. A chemical that can cause a weed to wilt in two hours is toxic to humans. I still won't stop using it though. Stuff is awesome.


Two hours?  I've never had roundup work that fast.  It's reliable, but it takes a couple days to really see any noticeable wilting, and a week or two before the weeds are completely dead.
 
2013-04-26 09:41:54 AM

blatz514: I thought all of those were blamed on binge drinking and red meat.


That was last year. This year, the veggies are poison so binge drinking and red meat are the way to go.
 
2013-04-26 09:42:31 AM

big pig peaches: I'm gonna say bullshiat. This is about as legitimate as saying vaccinations cause autism.

I'm not saying the stuff is harmless, I would just like to see an actual scientific study done by actual scientists.

/besides, I ain't weeded by hand.
// still don't use it on the veggie garden


Do you compost?  If you're composting your leaves and grass clippings in addition to kitchen scraps like I do then any chemicals in your yard are going onto your dinner plate.  I'd rather have the weeds.
 
2013-04-26 09:43:58 AM

Kibbler: Because the replacement product will really be, this time we mean it, no joke, clean, cheap and safe.

/honest
//hint: It's Agent Orange


2-4-D, which is one of the active ingredients in Agent Orange, and is the competitor to Round-Up, works differently. Some weeds which are immune to Round-Up are slaughtered by 2-4-D (horseweed, poke). On the other hand, some grasses which Round-Up murders shrug off 2-4-D like nothing happened.
 
2013-04-26 09:44:20 AM

Rootus: DubyaHater: Surprise, surprise. A chemical that can cause a weed to wilt in two hours is toxic to humans. I still won't stop using it though. Stuff is awesome.

Two hours?  I've never had roundup work that fast.  It's reliable, but it takes a couple days to really see any noticeable wilting, and a week or two before the weeds are completely dead.


Depends on how fast the plants are growing when you apply it. Cool temps, lack of water, could take days to see the effect.
 
2013-04-26 09:44:32 AM

MacWizard: blatz514: I thought all of those were blamed on binge drinking and red meat.

That was last year. This year, the veggies are poison so binge drinking and red meat are the way to go.


Finally!
 
2013-04-26 09:46:34 AM

SpectroBoy: Thanks MonsantoObama!


SithLord: Monsanto is above the law thanks to Obama. Suck it haters!


Meet Monsanto's number one lobbyist: Barack Obama
 
2013-04-26 09:47:06 AM
I'll withhold judgement until there's some real scientific research cited, but I would think the primary concern if this is true would be Monsanto's "Roundup Ready" soybeans, not your every day roundup spray bottle.
 
2013-04-26 09:47:32 AM

This text is now purple: Kibbler: Because the replacement product will really be, this time we mean it, no joke, clean, cheap and safe.

/honest
//hint: It's Agent Orange

2-4-D, which is one of the active ingredients in Agent Orange, and is the competitor to Round-Up, works differently. Some weeds which are immune to Round-Up are slaughtered by 2-4-D (horseweed, poke). On the other hand, some grasses which Round-Up murders shrug off 2-4-D like nothing happened.


Around here, if you call to have a field treated to kill everything, they generally want to apply a mixture of Round-Uptm and 2-4-D to make sure that you get everything. And it sure works.
 
2013-04-26 09:47:35 AM
Granted, I just have an aversion to chemicals in general, but a recent, peer reviewed scientific paper that links Roundup to gastrointestinal disorders, obesity, diabetes, heart disease, depression, autism, infertility, cancer and Alzheimer's disease, makes me feel my concern was right.

That reads like a laundry list of conditions people hate, not things that might legitimately share a single cause.

Anyways, it's a review article, so there's no actual new science here. They just compiled other people's research and came to a whole bunch of unsupported conclusions. You can't go from talking about molecular pathways to claiming that a given chemical causes autism, depression, and Alzheimer's, when we have no idea what actually causes autism, depression, or Alzheimer's. The paper is rife with unsupported speculation. Also, the author list is sketchy (a computer scientist and an 'independent scientist'? So, no biomolecular people?) and there is a distinct feeling of woo. It's buried, but it's there.
 
2013-04-26 09:48:00 AM
We use a weed killer on our lawn as a last resort, but the amount of lawn we have is slowly shrinking over time. We use ground cover, native plants, etc, and it would be awesome if we never had to mow our front yard again.

I never use weed killer in my veggie garden. They make this recycled paper weed block that I put down when I plant, mulch over it, and pull the few weeds we get on the edges by hand. It's not that hard if you're willing to prep your garden right. Of course our garden is only about 150 sq ft. Bonus is you can just mulch the paper into the ground the following year.
 
2013-04-26 09:49:28 AM

Edge.bot: Roundup immune weeds are spreading quietly all over the states currently, and there a barley contained panic about what to do.


If this messes up the barley harvest I will be pissed!
 
2013-04-26 09:51:47 AM
+1 subby

now i gotta find a new drink...
 
2013-04-26 09:52:26 AM
I love how everyone jumps on Monsanto for this.  Monsanto did create the original formulation of Roundup/Glyphosate.  What you have to remember is that it is STILL THE SAFEST HERBICIDE ON THE MARKET.  Compare it to other products like Dicamba, 2,4-D, Mesotrione, and Fomasafen.  Glyphosate is HUNDREDS of times safer than all of these products.  Is glyphosate perfect in every way?  No, but it's the safest option for people that choose to use, or in some cases NEED to use something.  I'm not even going to get started on other compounds every homeowner has under the kitchen sink.

My other favorite part of the article - mentioning that public parks use large amounts of roundup to kill weeds.  Here's the thing, glyphosate kills grass as well.  So if you think the city parks department sprayed the whole baseball field with roundup, think again.  I think the fact that the original author even mentioned it's use in parks demonstrates her complete incompetence when talking about herbicides.
 
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