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2013-04-26 08:23:17 AM
It's economic stimulus, subby.

More people get HIV, more people need treatment, and since it's likely a good number of people can't afford it, then gov will step in and pay... kinda like food stamps are economic stimulus.
 
2013-04-26 09:41:04 AM
It's a strategy known as "prime-boost." A DNA-based vaccine made with genetically engineered HIV material is given to prime the immune system to attack the AIDS virus. Then a different vaccine, encasing the same material inside a shell made of a disabled cold virus, acts as a booster shot to strengthen that response. Neither vaccine could cause HIV.

Too bad there isn't a vaccine for subby's willful ignorance and that the modmins can't be bothered to read down to the fifth paragraph of a very short article.
 
2013-04-26 09:42:42 AM
AIDS AIDS AIDS...... AIDS AIDS AIDS....
 
2013-04-26 09:42:53 AM
i.qkme.me
 
2013-04-26 09:43:05 AM
When researchers examined only participants diagnosed after being in the study for at least 28 weeks - long enough for the shots to have done their job - there were 27 HIV infections among the vaccinated and 21 among the placebo recipients.

You're doing it wrong.
 
2013-04-26 09:45:32 AM

Eps05: When researchers examined only participants diagnosed after being in the study for at least 28 weeks - long enough for the shots to have done their job - there were 27 HIV infections among the vaccinated and 21 among the placebo recipients.

You're doing it wrong.


Well, the placebo recipients were, apparently, doing it less wrong. Although apparently not to a statistically significant degree.
 
2013-04-26 09:46:10 AM
Also; BAD SUBBY. Control groups do not work that way.
 
2013-04-26 09:47:38 AM
And yet again the Fail tag is self-referential
 
2013-04-26 09:50:41 AM
www.idontwannagrowup.com
 
2013-04-26 09:52:04 AM

Necronic: And yet again the Fail tag is self-referential


From my own observations that is true at least 50% of the time.
 
2013-04-26 09:53:59 AM

Damnaged: kinda like food stamps are economic stimulus.


No they arent.
 
2013-04-26 09:56:02 AM
I think I used to know the answer then got brain washed or some crap.

WTF is the difference between having AIDS and HIV?
 
2013-04-26 09:58:40 AM
"Josh Robbins, 30, of Nashville, Tenn., is among the participants who became infected. He said he's glad he was in the study, because its close monitoring meant he was diagnosed and treated much sooner than most people - and he's feeling great - and because the findings help science. "

How is this day and age a person in first world country becomes infected is beyond me. I know he feels great and shiat but he could have even felt better by sticking to smoking the shiat instead of shooting it up and not being such a giant whore and taking the few minutes to wrap what needed wrapping before farking. I am generally a card carrying commie pinko liberal but Joshn here is a prime example of why we need to bring back the leper colonies.
 
2013-04-26 10:03:13 AM

o5iiawah: Damnaged: kinda like food stamps are economic stimulus.

No they arent.


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2013-04-26 10:03:28 AM

FullMetalPanda: WTF is the difference between having AIDS and HIV?


HIV is the virus that causes AIDS (Acquired Immuno Deficiency Syndrome)
 
2013-04-26 10:05:38 AM

astelmaszek: "Josh Robbins, 30, of Nashville, Tenn., is among the participants who became infected. He said he's glad he was in the study, because its close monitoring meant he was diagnosed and treated much sooner than most people - and he's feeling great - and because the findings help science. "

How is this day and age a person in first world country becomes infected is beyond me. I know he feels great and shiat but he could have even felt better by sticking to smoking the shiat instead of shooting it up and not being such a giant whore and taking the few minutes to wrap what needed wrapping before farking. I am generally a card carrying commie pinko liberal but Joshn here is a prime example of why we need to bring back the leper colonies.


HIV isn't something to fear anymore. Drug cocktails keep the viral loads down, people rarely die of AIDS-related complications in the US anymore. So, party time again.

/heard this arguement from both idiots justifying high risk behavior and people opposed to subsidizing HIV drug cocktails as immoral
 
2013-04-26 10:09:03 AM

FullMetalPanda: I think I used to know the answer then got brain washed or some crap.

WTF is the difference between having AIDS and HIV?


HIV (Human Immunodeficiency Virus) is the virus that causes AIDS (Acquired Immuno-Deficiency Syndrome). You may be infected with HIV without it evolving into full-blown AIDS, but you would be a carrier and could then infect others, who then may or may not manifest AIDS. As such, you need to be infected with HIV before getting AIDS, but you may not necessarily get there.
 
2013-04-26 10:12:12 AM

dv-ous: Also; BAD SUBBY. Control groups do not work that way.


Doesn't matter. Vaccines now known to cause AIDS and autism.
 
2013-04-26 10:13:08 AM

dv-ous: Eps05: When researchers examined only participants diagnosed after being in the study for at least 28 weeks - long enough for the shots to have done their job - there were 27 HIV infections among the vaccinated and 21 among the placebo recipients.

You're doing it wrong.

Well, the placebo recipients were, apparently, doing it less wrong. Although apparently not to a statistically significant degree.


This.

"The vaccine does not help prevent HIV" is a pretty safe bet.

"The vaccine gives you HIV" is not supported by the available evidence.
 
2013-04-26 10:13:46 AM

Misch: FullMetalPanda: WTF is the difference between having AIDS and HIV?

HIV is the virus that causes AIDS (Acquired Immuno Deficiency Syndrome)


Can one have AIDS without HIV?
 
2013-04-26 10:14:03 AM

BolloxReader: astelmaszek: "Josh Robbins, 30, of Nashville, Tenn., is among the participants who became infected. He said he's glad he was in the study, because its close monitoring meant he was diagnosed and treated much sooner than most people - and he's feeling great - and because the findings help science. "

How is this day and age a person in first world country becomes infected is beyond me. I know he feels great and shiat but he could have even felt better by sticking to smoking the shiat instead of shooting it up and not being such a giant whore and taking the few minutes to wrap what needed wrapping before farking. I am generally a card carrying commie pinko liberal but Joshn here is a prime example of why we need to bring back the leper colonies.

HIV isn't something to fear anymore. Drug cocktails keep the viral loads down, people rarely die of AIDS-related complications in the US anymore. So, party time again.

/heard this arguement from both idiots justifying high risk behavior and people opposed to subsidizing HIV drug cocktails as immoral


Hence my solution of HIV colonies with all the free HIV drug cocktails is a perfect compromise, neither group is happy.
 
2013-04-26 10:22:11 AM

jsteiner78: AIDS AIDS AIDS...... AIDS AIDS AIDS....


EVERYONE HAS AIDS!
 
2013-04-26 10:25:52 AM

draypresct: dv-ous: Eps05: When researchers examined only participants diagnosed after being in the study for at least 28 weeks - long enough for the shots to have done their job - there were 27 HIV infections among the vaccinated and 21 among the placebo recipients.

You're doing it wrong.

Well, the placebo recipients were, apparently, doing it less wrong. Although apparently not to a statistically significant degree.

This.

"The vaccine does not help prevent HIV" is a pretty safe bet.

"The vaccine gives you HIV" is not supported by the available evidence.


Well, the "it" I was referring to them doing less wrong was, you know, like, safe sex and stuff.
 
2013-04-26 10:27:17 AM

FullMetalPanda: I think I used to know the answer then got brain washed or some crap.

WTF is the difference between having AIDS and HIV?


neversubmit: Can one have AIDS without HIV?


Good lord I hope you guys are trolling. How in this day and age people do not know this stuff is beyond me. You have the internet. Educate yourselves (and no... asking Fark doesn't count). Seriously your life (and the lives of others) depends on it.

This is what happens when you refuse to give people proper sex ed in school.
 
2013-04-26 10:33:26 AM

here to help: Good lord I hope you guys are trolling. How in this day and age people do not know this stuff is beyond me. You have the internet. Educate yourselves (and no... asking Fark doesn't count). Seriously your life (and the lives of others) depends on it.


If you don't like uneducated people, haranguing them for asking questions isn't likely to help your cause.
 
2013-04-26 10:33:48 AM

here to help: FullMetalPanda: I think I used to know the answer then got brain washed or some crap.

WTF is the difference between having AIDS and HIV?

neversubmit: Can one have AIDS without HIV?

Good lord I hope you guys are trolling. How in this day and age people do not know this stuff is beyond me. You have the internet. Educate yourselves (and no... asking Fark doesn't count). Seriously your life (and the lives of others) depends on it.

This is what happens when you refuse to give people proper sex ed in school.


Otoh, belittling people for merely asking the question is probaly counterproductive also. Thanks for being part of the problem.
 
2013-04-26 10:33:59 AM

Damnaged: It's economic stimulus, subby.

More people get HIV, more people need treatment, and since it's likely a good number of people can't afford it, then gov will step in and pay... kinda like food stamps are economic stimulus.


Look at how dumb you are.
 
2013-04-26 10:34:48 AM

BolloxReader: astelmaszek: "Josh Robbins, 30, of Nashville, Tenn., is among the participants who became infected. He said he's glad he was in the study, because its close monitoring meant he was diagnosed and treated much sooner than most people - and he's feeling great - and because the findings help science. "

How is this day and age a person in first world country becomes infected is beyond me. I know he feels great and shiat but he could have even felt better by sticking to smoking the shiat instead of shooting it up and not being such a giant whore and taking the few minutes to wrap what needed wrapping before farking. I am generally a card carrying commie pinko liberal but Joshn here is a prime example of why we need to bring back the leper colonies.

HIV isn't something to fear anymore. Drug cocktails keep the viral loads down, people rarely die of AIDS-related complications in the US anymore. So, party time again.

/heard this arguement from both idiots justifying high risk behavior and people opposed to subsidizing HIV drug cocktails as immoral


Most of the HIV/AIDS patients I take care of die of Hep C.   It doesn't make them less dead.
 
2013-04-26 10:35:29 AM

here to help: FullMetalPanda: I think I used to know the answer then got brain washed or some crap.

WTF is the difference between having AIDS and HIV?

neversubmit: Can one have AIDS without HIV?

Good lord I hope you guys are trolling. How in this day and age people do not know this stuff is beyond me. You have the internet. Educate yourselves (and no... asking Fark doesn't count). Seriously your life (and the lives of others) depends on it.

This is what happens when you refuse to give people proper sex ed in school.


Why does it not count to ask about the connection between HIV and AIDS to people having a discussion about HIV?
 
2013-04-26 10:39:43 AM

neversubmit: Misch: FullMetalPanda: WTF is the difference between having AIDS and HIV?

HIV is the virus that causes AIDS (Acquired Immuno Deficiency Syndrome)

Can one have AIDS without HIV?


BTW, the answer to your question is no.  AIDS is basically just late-stage HIV...the last stop on the HIV train to deadsville.  AIDS occurs when the immune system hits below a certain percentage of CD4 cells.
 
2013-04-26 10:44:49 AM

neversubmit: Misch: FullMetalPanda: WTF is the difference between having AIDS and HIV?

HIV is the virus that causes AIDS (Acquired Immuno Deficiency Syndrome)

Can one have AIDS without HIV?


No.  AIDS is the immune disease you acquire after contracting HIV.  There are other immunodeficiencies people can have, but this one is specifically acquired with the virus, hence the name.
 
2013-04-26 10:45:24 AM
Pull the panties out of your crotches. I've answered lots of questions on here about more obscure facts about STIs but if you are an adult in the western world and haven't bothered to learn the most basic facts about such a devastating and preventable disease then you are highly irresponsible and deserve to be shamed.

If you have ANY questions about HIV/AIDS stop what you are doing right now and go to the CDC website to read up on it. Also do NOT f*ck anyone until you go to your doctor and get tested or at the very least use condoms until you can get tested.

Seriously it's like not knowing drinking and driving is bad or smoking can give you cancer. There is no excuse.
 
2013-04-26 10:47:21 AM

CheatCommando: It's a strategy known as "prime-boost." A DNA-based vaccine made with genetically engineered HIV material is given to prime the immune system to attack the AIDS virus. Then a different vaccine, encasing the same material inside a shell made of a disabled cold virus, acts as a booster shot to strengthen that response. Neither vaccine could cause HIV.


So let me get this straight, they used a virus that they don't have a cure for to make a cure for a virus that they don't have a cure for?
 
2013-04-26 10:47:52 AM

heybd: neversubmit: Misch: FullMetalPanda: WTF is the difference between having AIDS and HIV?

HIV is the virus that causes AIDS (Acquired Immuno Deficiency Syndrome)

Can one have AIDS without HIV?

No.  AIDS is the immune disease you acquire after contracting HIV.  There are other immunodeficiencies people can have, but this one is specifically acquired with the virus, hence the name.


This is my understanding as well.

A common reason for a suppressed immune system is the immunosuppression regimen associated with an organ transplant. It is not referred to as AIDS, but I believe some of the precautions these patients need to take are similar.
 
2013-04-26 10:51:45 AM

here to help: FullMetalPanda: I think I used to know the answer then got brain washed or some crap.

WTF is the difference between having AIDS and HIV?

neversubmit: Can one have AIDS without HIV?

Good lord I hope you guys are trolling. How in this day and age people do not know this stuff is beyond me. You have the internet. Educate yourselves (and no... asking Fark doesn't count). Seriously your life (and the lives of others) depends on it.

This is what happens when you refuse to give people proper sex ed in school.


Bull loney.  Even if you didn't go to school, how people contract HIV, or AIDS without having HIV;), isn't exactly shrouded in mystery.  People become exactly as educated as they wish to become.  Beyond the ability to pay for an internet connection, or the willingness of someone else to pay for it, education isn't even limited by wealth.  Degrees may be... 
The 20-somethings you hear speaking like they grew up in an urban ghetto shiathole had the same English class as the people who went out and made something of themselves.
 
2013-04-26 10:57:44 AM

here to help: Pull the panties out of your crotches. I've answered lots of questions on here about more obscure facts about STIs but if you are an adult in the western world and haven't bothered to learn the most basic facts about such a devastating and preventable disease then you are highly irresponsible and deserve to be shamed.

If you have ANY questions about HIV/AIDS stop what you are doing right now and go to the CDC website to read up on it. Also do NOT f*ck anyone until you go to your doctor and get tested or at the very least use condoms until you can get tested.

Seriously it's like not knowing drinking and driving is bad or smoking can give you cancer. There is no excuse.


Thanks for the "help" LOL
 
2013-04-26 11:03:59 AM

Big_Fat_Liar: Bull loney. Even if you didn't go to school, how people contract HIV, or AIDS without having HIV;), isn't exactly shrouded in mystery. People become exactly as educated as they wish to become. Beyond the ability to pay for an internet connection, or the willingness of someone else to pay for it, education isn't even limited by wealth. Degrees may be...
The 20-somethings you hear speaking like they grew up in an urban ghetto shiathole had the same English class as the people who went out and made something of themselves.


What exactly is your point? That sex ed in schools isn't necessary? Just look at this thread. Some people just never seek out that knowledge because they don't think it applies to them for whatever reason. If they get the talk in school about it at least the facts were made available.

It is infuriating that this disease is still even around. It should have been wiped out years ago with proper education, prevention and screening but it hasn't because people think it's icky or against their god or only happens to junkies and homos.

That's why I'm being a dick. Educate yourselves, protect yourselves and fer chrissakes get tested. We can wipe this sonnovab*tch the f*ck out.
 
2013-04-26 11:05:24 AM

Big_Fat_Liar: here to help: FullMetalPanda: I think I used to know the answer then got brain washed or some crap.

WTF is the difference between having AIDS and HIV?

neversubmit: Can one have AIDS without HIV?

Good lord I hope you guys are trolling. How in this day and age people do not know this stuff is beyond me. You have the internet. Educate yourselves (and no... asking Fark doesn't count). Seriously your life (and the lives of others) depends on it.

This is what happens when you refuse to give people proper sex ed in school.

Bull loney.  Even if you didn't go to school, how people contract HIV, or AIDS without having HIV;), isn't exactly shrouded in mystery.  People become exactly as educated as they wish to become.  Beyond the ability to pay for an internet connection, or the willingness of someone else to pay for it, education isn't even limited by wealth.  Degrees may be...
The 20-somethings you hear speaking like they grew up in an urban ghetto shiathole had the same English class as the people who went out and made something of themselves.



You're assuming that FullMetalPanda:

-is a young or middle-aged adult
-grew up in a first-world country
-attended public schools (or private schools whose aim was education) during the 1980's

If FullMetalPanda is underage he/she might not have been told yet (if so - stop posting to Fark and pay attention in class!).
If FullMetalPanda went to school before the 1980s, AIDS information would have been something picked up haphazardly from news stories, not researched, and a happily married man or woman who never had children might not have considered this research a high priority.

/tldr: Not everyone is like you.
 
2013-04-26 11:05:24 AM

neversubmit: Thanks for the "help" LOL


Sometimes a swift kick in the ass is the best help one can receive. Seriously though... stay safe.
 
2013-04-26 11:08:16 AM

draypresct: a happily married man or woman who never had children might not have considered this research a high priority.


After my mom broke up with her longtime BF I had to have the condom talk with her.

Awkward!

...and stay away from my mom you creepers. SHE'S MINE!
 
2013-04-26 11:18:25 AM

here to help: neversubmit: Thanks for the "help" LOL

Sometimes a swift kick in the ass is the best help one can receive. Seriously though... stay safe.


Oh! Now I see why you are being a jerk it's because...

misinformation propagated by individuals and groups with ideological stances that deny a causative relationship between HIV infection and the development of AIDS

You could just have said it, but no I guess honesty is more than you can manage. Are you from the government?
 
2013-04-26 11:22:41 AM

neversubmit: You could just have said it, but no I guess honesty is more than you can manage. Are you from the government?


You had already gotten the answer to your specific question when I posted but there is a lot more to know about the disease and how to prevent it. At least you are now using your computator for something other than annoying Farkers.

Happy reading. Try not to infect anyone.
 
2013-04-26 11:23:13 AM

neversubmit: You could just have said it, but no I guess honesty is more than you can manage. Are you from the government?


Finally, proof that everyone in this argument is an asshole. Thank God. Now I can go out and live my life knowing that I am superior to people on the internet.
 
2013-04-26 11:25:02 AM

neversubmit: misinformation propagated by individuals and groups with ideological stances that deny a causative relationship between HIV infection and the development of AIDS


Oh and I wasn't specifically referring to that phenomena but yeah... there are a lot of very misguided and dangerous people out there so the more knowledge you have the easier it is to spot, mock then avoid them.
 
2013-04-26 11:26:14 AM

thurstonxhowell: neversubmit: You could just have said it, but no I guess honesty is more than you can manage. Are you from the government?

Finally, proof that everyone in this argument is an asshole. Thank God. Now I can go out and live my life knowing that I am superior to people on the internet.


Nah! You're slower than me, I already knew I am superior to people on the internet. ;-)
 
2013-04-26 11:26:16 AM
s0.2mdn.net
 
2013-04-26 11:26:56 AM
www.dweebist.com
 
2013-04-26 11:28:38 AM

Evil Mackerel: CheatCommando: It's a strategy known as "prime-boost." A DNA-based vaccine made with genetically engineered HIV material is given to prime the immune system to attack the AIDS virus. Then a different vaccine, encasing the same material inside a shell made of a disabled cold virus, acts as a booster shot to strengthen that response. Neither vaccine could cause HIV.

So let me get this straight, they used a virus that they don't have a cure for to make a cure for a virus that they don't have a cure for?


Discuss how the shell of a virus, which is missing the genetic material that makes it work, would be able to reproduce.
 
2013-04-26 11:29:02 AM
here to help: Pull the panties out of your crotches. I've answered lots of questions on here about more obscure facts about STIs but if you are an adult in the western world and haven't bothered to learn the most basic facts about such a devastating and preventable disease then you are highly irresponsible and deserve to be shamed.

Maybe they aren't an adult.  Maybe they aren't in the western world. Maybe they live in the south.  Maybe they were recently Amish.  Who knows.  The point is, if you make fun of people for a lack of knowledge, pretty soon they stop asking questions.  And that is bad.

Stop making the world bad.
 
2013-04-26 11:32:06 AM

here to help: neversubmit: You could just have said it, but no I guess honesty is more than you can manage. Are you from the government?

You had already gotten the answer to your specific question when I posted but there is a lot more to know about the disease and how to prevent it. At least you are now using your computator for something other than annoying Farkers.

Happy reading. Try not to infect anyone.


here to help: neversubmit: misinformation propagated by individuals and groups with ideological stances that deny a causative relationship between HIV infection and the development of AIDS

Oh and I wasn't specifically referring to that phenomena but yeah... there are a lot of very misguided and dangerous people out there so the more knowledge you have the easier it is to spot, mock then avoid them.


Well as long as you are not misguided I won't mock you. How nice it must be to not have to worry about getting infected, what with stick up your ass and all...
 
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