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(LA Times)   Is $300 really worth it just for "front of line" privileges at your local amusement park?   (latimes.com) divider line 169
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2013-04-26 02:44:01 PM

Stoker: roughridersfan: Since you don't like people cutting ahead, maybe nobody should be allowed to spend money and reserve plane tickets. Everybody should just wait until they get to the airport and all stand in line. That way nobody can take advantage of discounted seats because all the seats will be the same price. And no seat selection! And no presales for concerts because you have a certain credit card or code! No benefits to ANYBODY!!!!!
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We're talking Amusement Parks here. They are not as common as airports with multiple vendors and classes to choose from.
This is a public venue where everyone gets the same experience equally. There should be no reason to treat some above others.

Ya snob.
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Madness!

So should I be able to get the steak for the price of the chicken? Or can I sit on the first base line for the price of the bleachers? What about sleeping in the penthouse for the price of a single?
 
2013-04-26 03:18:59 PM

poot_rootbeer: Universal's not worth the normal $80/day ticket price, much less the $300 VIP package.


One of the things that discourages me is that in the early aughts, a year pass at Universal Orlando was $89.


/and you could buy a 3 day pass at Disney and use days 2 and 3 years later if you wnted.
 
2013-04-26 03:25:52 PM
Business plan for my new theme park:

1) Convince the public that your handful of rides is neat-o, ripping, keen, groovy, or whatever the kids are saying these days: enough to get $80 from each one
2) Take whatever measures are necessary to distract the rubes patrons from noticing that they're spending 20x as much time standing in line than actually riding
3) Provide a $300 "fark-you" option for those who want to ride but don't want the lines
4) Eventually enough people buy the $300 option that none of the low-rollers ever get to ride
5) Eliminate the $80 ticket since it's no good any more
6) PROFIT!
 
2013-04-26 03:39:15 PM

gimlet: Stoker: roughridersfan: Since you don't like people cutting ahead, maybe nobody should be allowed to spend money and reserve plane tickets. Everybody should just wait until they get to the airport and all stand in line. That way nobody can take advantage of discounted seats because all the seats will be the same price. And no seat selection! And no presales for concerts because you have a certain credit card or code! No benefits to ANYBODY!!!!!
-=-
We're talking Amusement Parks here. They are not as common as airports with multiple vendors and classes to choose from.
This is a public venue where everyone gets the same experience equally. There should be no reason to treat some above others.

Ya snob.
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Madness!

So should I be able to get the steak for the price of the chicken? Or can I sit on the first base line for the price of the bleachers? What about sleeping in the penthouse for the price of a single?


If you get in line first, yes! It's unfair for others to pay more and get better treatment!

Let's extend this to hospitals! Why should a heart attack victim get ahead of the tiny little cut on my finger! I was here first! Why should the heart attack get priority??? If he wanted to be ahead of me, he should have had his heart attack before I cut my finger!

To be serious, an amusement park may be public, but people paid to get into it. They should not be surprised or upset or whatever if somebody else paid more to get better treatment.
 
2013-04-26 03:42:40 PM
I hear the $1000 package offers the option to literally shiat on the waiting customers instead of figuratively.
 
2013-04-26 04:01:48 PM
Yeah, you COULD pay $300 to cut to the front of the line

Or

Go to guest services and explain your condition- Diabetes, Restless Leg Syndrome, ADHD, etc and get one for free.
 
2013-04-26 04:29:44 PM
The craziest thing in this thread for me is reading about people waiting over two hours in line for an amusement park ride.
 
2013-04-26 04:37:03 PM

Vlad_the_Inaner: poot_rootbeer: Universal's not worth the normal $80/day ticket price, much less the $300 VIP package.

One of the things that discourages me is that in the early aughts, a year pass at Universal Orlando was $89.


/and you could buy a 3 day pass at Disney and use days 2 and 3 years later if you wnted.


Actually used a couple of those 1980s tickets about ten years ago. Still had extra days on them, they'd been laying around in my grandmother's house for twenty years since her husband died. They were issued to grandpa by name. My cousin, who was going with me, had the same name as grandpa and was able to use them countersigning with his own name and ID. The staff sure looked at him funny for it, but there was no problem getting in. IIRC the face value was something like $23 or so, but again, this was a decade ago.
 
2013-04-26 05:00:11 PM

kingdd: I'm actually in line at the DMV right now. I'd pay $150 just to get to the front if this line.


Try telling the people in front of you.
 
2013-04-26 05:03:26 PM

markie_farkie: I would gladly pay $300 to have the following people perma-banned from any public setting:

1.  People who congregate in groups in the MIDDLE of a farking walkway, full-well knowing they are blocking traffic.

2.  People who STOP AT THE TOP of a farking escalator, staring off in to space, oblivious to the fact that there are uncontrolled masses of people behind them that can't reverse course.

3.  People who, after standing in line for 15 minutes at a concession stand, with all that time available to review the menus posted every 6 inches, get to the front of the line and then take 10 more minutes to figure out what the fark they want to order.

4.  People who have no contextual awareness of their surroundings, and wander aimlessly, 2 feet in front of you, stopping randomly every 3 feet, and somehow managing to anticipate your every evasive move to get around their stupid farking asses...

/end of rant.


5. People who park shopping carts next to free-standing displays, blocking the aisle entirely, while they consider which brand of BBQ sauce to select.

6. People who erect such displays.
 
2013-04-26 05:09:15 PM
I would say it was worth it if I could afford it.
 
2013-04-26 07:15:48 PM

roughridersfan: To be serious, an amusement park may be public, but people paid to get into it. They should not be surprised or upset or whatever if somebody else paid more to get better treatment.

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I seriously think there should not be an option. You pay enough for parking, going through the door and then for the rides, all to have some schmuck displace you because they have more money than you.

I do not begrudge you from having the nicer things in life, but goddamnit, you don't have to get everything over the rest of the community. Some things need to be fair use when used by so many people for so limited use of rides.
 
2013-04-26 08:06:44 PM

Stoker: roughridersfan: To be serious, an amusement park may be public, but people paid to get into it. They should not be surprised or upset or whatever if somebody else paid more to get better treatment.
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I seriously think there should not be an option. You pay enough for parking, going through the door and then for the rides, all to have some schmuck displace you because they have more money than you.

I do not begrudge you from having the nicer things in life, but goddamnit, you don't have to get everything over the rest of the community. Some things need to be fair use when used by so many people for so limited use of rides.


The park isn't a true community. It's a business. The business owners are allowed to write their own rules for how their customers get treated. They do it because it works for their business model.

If people don't like it, they can take their money to another park. Or, somebody else can build their own park and use the rules you suggest.

Was I a bit miffed when I found out the seating I planned for my boy and me at Lights! Motors! Actions! was for VIPs only? Yeah, a little bit. But, we still got great seats because we hurried up there ahead of other people..

If somebody gets to ride ahead of me because they paid more, good for them. I would love to be in their position in that situation. I'm not offended by it - I aspire to be in that position someday so my son and I don't have to wait. If I work hard enough, maybe I will.
 
2013-04-26 10:02:25 PM
Lets say that 10% of a park's daily revenue comes from VIP ticket purchases, but that represents only 5% of the daily number of visitors.

How many seats per ride is it fair for the park to reserve for VIPs only?
 
2013-04-27 12:17:35 AM

poot_rootbeer: Lets say that 10% of a park's daily revenue comes from VIP ticket purchases, but that represents only 5% of the daily number of visitors.

How many seats per ride is it fair for the park to reserve for VIPs only?


I think the correct answer is "Florida".
 
2013-04-27 12:57:01 AM
Great for the one percenters.
 
2013-04-27 01:12:59 AM

poot_rootbeer: Lets say that 10% of a park's daily revenue comes from VIP ticket purchases, but that represents only 5% of the daily number of visitors.

How many seats per ride is it fair for the park to reserve for VIPs only?


The seats aren't reserved. If a VIP shows up, they get first access to the seats.

You could have 100 or 1,000 or 5,000 people ride before a VIP shows up and cuts in. It could only be two people in a VIP group. Maybe four or five if it's a family. Depending upon the ride, that is nothing because some rides hold a lot of people and, as somebody mentioned, Disney is very efficient at moving people.

It's not about "fair" - if everybody paid the same, then access to the seats could be fair. But, even without VIPs, places like Disney have Fast Passes. Are those "fair"? There are a limited number of Fast Passes available. We had a situation where there were no more of these passes available. I didn't complain because I knew how the system worked.

Even if the Fast Passes were available, would it be "fair" for somebody to use one to cut ahead of somebody that's been waiting 2 hours? Maybe the person who waited didn't know about Fast Passes (I met those people in the park - they were surprised to know about them and were very glad when I told them how they worked, including the limitations). Maybe they forgot to get theirs. Maybe they didn't think they needed one.

Where do we draw the line on what's fair and what's not? Should it be based on who gets to the park first? Are we going to disallow people who stay at the Disney Resorts to have the "Magic" hours (where they can be in the park at certain times when the park is not open to the general public) because the general public should have the same access?

Fair is what the park decides. IT'S THEIR PARK. They make the rules. Until the ledger shows otherwise, the park will continue to run based on whatever rules seem to work for them.

If people stop coming to the park, will Disney cry that it's not fair? No, they'll change their model to bring people back. They're smart people and really care about their customers.

Funny this thread came up because Disney World called me today because of an email I sent them last week. Why the heck would they be calling a shmuck who grew up in small town Saskatchewan? Because I found one minor flaw in their system (when you buy stuff at EPCOT, there are two entrances from where you can pick up your purchases at the end of the day - I wasn't told which one and it caused some confusion at the end of the day, but their Cast Members found out that my stuff was where I wanted it to be). They assured me that they would train their Cast Members to double-check when a similar situation arises in the future.

I have no problems with how a park runs their park. If I did, I wouldn't go back. A place like Disney does an amazing job. I told them I would GLADLY spend more money if they kept the service that allowed you to pick up your purchases at customer service at the end of the day because I wouldn't have to worry about carrying stuff around, or forget to go back and buy something, or not want to go buy something because it would be too far to go (darnit, should have bought my boy that Jiminy Cricket glass!).

I'm not a rich guy. Not even close. If somebody has the money and that allows them some perks, good for them. The park is there to make money, so the people who pay more get better treatment. Such is life.

// Wow, where did the above come from? Feel like I should be on a podium or something.
/// Didn't even get into how Disney lets parents split up if one needs to take care of a child while the other rides, then lets the other one have their turn immediately after.
// Guess I just did.
 
2013-04-27 10:10:39 AM

roughridersfan: f people stop coming to the park, will Disney cry that it's not fair? No, they'll change their model to bring people back. They're smart people and really care about their customers' money.


There we go.
 
2013-04-27 03:27:09 PM

madgonad: 12349876: Go to a seasonal park at the beginning/end of season on a weekday when a lot of the kiddies are in school.  You can basically walk onto the rides.

Those parks aren't open until schools are out. Where do you think they get most of their employees?


I specifically said "a lot" not all.  Kings Island will be open on Friday May 3 and 7 days a week starting May 10.  There will still be lots of kids in school for most of the month of May.  Not all, but a lot.  And none of the shows will be operating, some of the stores and games will be closed, a lot of the rides will be on limited capacity (like fewer trains on coasters) and they can find enough people to work to meet the limited demand despite a lot of schools being in session (remember colleges tend to end a bit earlier than lower level schools).  And you can still get on the rides quickly.
 
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