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2013-04-26 12:19:41 AM
It isn't $300, it's $219 more than you'd normally pay.

And it's probably an awesome deal for couples without kids to pay for.
 
2013-04-26 12:28:16 AM

Sid_6.7: It isn't $300, it's $219 more than you'd normally pay.

And it's probably an awesome deal for couples without kids to pay for.


Nah, you've still got to buy the tickets. And at Disney, it's 300 an HOUR. Still, I've heard it's an amazing experience, and pretty much the only way for recognizable celebs to do the parks.
 
2013-04-26 12:32:45 AM
YES!

Assume my time is worth $25 dollars an hour, thus every hour I'm waiting in line is -$25.
The average wait in Tokyo Disney is 2 hours in the summer.

This means that a full day at Disneyland in the busy season each 2 hour line costs me about $50 in lost productivity just waiting to get to ther ride.

Now, let's talk utility. I'd pay $25 to do something fun for two hours that's not waiting in line. Be it a movie, a bar tab, or a few rounds of bowling. So the 2 hour line is costing me an aditional $50 in lost utility.

So each two hour line costs me $100 in loss to wait for. Thus if I ride three rides(or skip six hours' waiting) in a day, the fast past pays for itself. So if you hit many rides, totally worth it.
 
2013-04-26 12:36:13 AM

doglover: YES!

Assume my time is worth $25 dollars an hour, thus every hour I'm waiting in line is -$25.
The average wait in Tokyo Disney is 2 hours in the summer.

This means that a full day at Disneyland in the busy season each 2 hour line costs me about $50 in lost productivity just waiting to get to ther ride.

Now, let's talk utility. I'd pay $25 to do something fun for two hours that's not waiting in line. Be it a movie, a bar tab, or a few rounds of bowling. So the 2 hour line is costing me an aditional $50 in lost utility.

So each two hour line costs me $100 in loss to wait for. Thus if I ride three rides(or skip six hours' waiting) in a day, the fast past pays for itself. So if you hit many rides, totally worth it.


Great..

You're the reason that marketing assholes think they can get away with 400% surcharges on concert tickets, and ON TOP OF THAT, charge $50 for "email delivery and convenience" fees..
 
2013-04-26 12:41:20 AM

markie_farkie: doglover: YES!

Assume my time is worth $25 dollars an hour, thus every hour I'm waiting in line is -$25.
The average wait in Tokyo Disney is 2 hours in the summer.

This means that a full day at Disneyland in the busy season each 2 hour line costs me about $50 in lost productivity just waiting to get to ther ride.

Now, let's talk utility. I'd pay $25 to do something fun for two hours that's not waiting in line. Be it a movie, a bar tab, or a few rounds of bowling. So the 2 hour line is costing me an aditional $50 in lost utility.

So each two hour line costs me $100 in loss to wait for. Thus if I ride three rides(or skip six hours' waiting) in a day, the fast past pays for itself. So if you hit many rides, totally worth it.

Great..

You're the reason that marketing assholes think they can get away with 400% surcharges on concert tickets, and ON TOP OF THAT, charge $50 for "email delivery and convenience" fees..


No, I never go to concerts.

But if I had the money to buy a "Fark you, I'm cuttin' line." pass, I totally would.
 
2013-04-26 12:45:24 AM

doglover: But if I had the money


You don't. Thus endeth the dream.
 
2013-04-26 12:52:47 AM
I would gladly pay $300 to have the following people perma-banned from any public setting:

1.  People who congregate in groups in the MIDDLE of a farking walkway, full-well knowing they are blocking traffic.

2.  People who STOP AT THE TOP of a farking escalator, staring off in to space, oblivious to the fact that there are uncontrolled masses of people behind them that can't reverse course.

3.  People who, after standing in line for 15 minutes at a concession stand, with all that time available to review the menus posted every 6 inches, get to the front of the line and then take 10 more minutes to figure out what the fark they want to order.

4.  People who have no contextual awareness of their surroundings, and wander aimlessly, 2 feet in front of you, stopping randomly every 3 feet, and somehow managing to anticipate your every evasive move to get around their stupid farking asses...

/end of rant.
 
2013-04-26 01:17:06 AM

NewportBarGuy: doglover: But if I had the money

You don't. Thus endeth the dream.


Actually I do, but I dislike other aspects of amusement parks.
 
2013-04-26 01:21:07 AM

doglover: NewportBarGuy: doglover: But if I had the money

You don't. Thus endeth the dream.

Actually I do, but I dislike other aspects of amusement parks.


You know I'm not f*cking with you. Would you pay $300 per day, per person, to skip the lines? I have it and would not. I'd wait the 45 mins like an idiot. But, I would make comments "Why do those assholes get to skip?" I'm with the 99% who are waiting. It's not good PR when they see them cutting.
 
2013-04-26 01:36:58 AM

kxs401: Sid_6.7: It isn't $300, it's $219 more than you'd normally pay.

And it's probably an awesome deal for couples without kids to pay for.

Nah, you've still got to buy the tickets. And at Disney, it's 300 an HOUR. Still, I've heard it's an amazing experience, and pretty much the only way for recognizable celebs to do the parks.


The one time I went to Disneyland the park was closing at 7pm for a private party. Because of that most people stayed away resulting in really short lines. We never had to wait more than a few minutes to get on a ride.
 
2013-04-26 01:41:14 AM

NewportBarGuy: I'd wait the 45 mins like an idiot.


If you're LA local with some work flexibility you can really get your money's worth at Disneyland.   I find that if you can take a day off in say February when it's raining you basically have the run of the park.   For those that don't live in LA, LA February with rain is basically what you'd call a light drizzle in April in most of the country.

This works in other parts of the country too.  I once hit an amusement park in the south in the off season when it was overcast and the operators would only make you get off a ride if someone else wanted to get on.  I rode a double loop roller coaster so many times in a row that I farked up my back for weeks, and this was when I was a reedy twenty-something.
 
2013-04-26 03:39:06 AM

NewportBarGuy: doglover: NewportBarGuy: doglover: But if I had the money

You don't. Thus endeth the dream.

Actually I do, but I dislike other aspects of amusement parks.

You know I'm not f*cking with you. Would you pay $300 per day, per person, to skip the lines? I have it and would not. I'd wait the 45 mins like an idiot. But, I would make comments "Why do those assholes get to skip?" I'm with the 99% who are waiting. It's not good PR when they see them cutting.


No, because I only ride one of the rides.
 
2013-04-26 06:14:31 AM

markie_farkie: I would gladly pay $300 to have the following people perma-banned from any public setting:

1.  People who congregate in groups in the MIDDLE of a farking walkway, full-well knowing they are blocking traffic.

2.  People who STOP AT THE TOP of a farking escalator, staring off in to space, oblivious to the fact that there are uncontrolled masses of people behind them that can't reverse course.

3.  People who, after standing in line for 15 minutes at a concession stand, with all that time available to review the menus posted every 6 inches, get to the front of the line and then take 10 more minutes to figure out what the fark they want to order.

4.  People who have no contextual awareness of their surroundings, and wander aimlessly, 2 feet in front of you, stopping randomly every 3 feet, and somehow managing to anticipate your every evasive move to get around their stupid farking asses...


5. People who walk through crowds while texting/surfing/playing on their phones, never bothering to look up and forcing people to dodge them or be trampled.

6. People who wear large backpacks and have no concept of how this affects their girth and who turn quickly, without looking who will be smashed in the face by their Quasimodoesque protrusion.
 
2013-04-26 07:53:23 AM
During a honeymoon trip to Los Angeles, Chris Hansen and his new wife, Shoni, decided not to skimp on their visit to Universal Studios Hollywood

I wonder how young she is...
www.kzoz.com
 
2013-04-26 07:59:22 AM
No.

/next question?
 
2013-04-26 08:00:13 AM

Sid_6.7: It isn't $300, it's $219 more than you'd normally pay.

And it's probably an awesome deal for couples without kids to pay for.


GODDAMN RICH PEOPLE ARGHHHH!!!!!

Actually it's not a bad idea if you have the money and don't have kids.
 
2013-04-26 08:01:08 AM
Yes. Totally. Why would I wait in line with the common people?
 
2013-04-26 08:01:53 AM
Fark it, if you're going on vacation, may as well splurge.  The $300 price for Universal sounds reasonable.  The $300 PER HOUR at Disney is absurd though.
 
2013-04-26 08:02:53 AM
Maybe when I was 18 and making big money with zero responsibilities.

oday? I'd rather pay that for 4 hours of contiguous sleep.
 
2013-04-26 08:03:03 AM

TheSelphie: Fark it, if you're going on vacation, may as well splurge.  The $300 price for Universal sounds reasonable.  The $300 PER HOUR at Disney is absurd though.


FTFY.
 
2013-04-26 08:03:44 AM
I'm actually in line at the DMV right now. I'd pay $150 just to get to the front if this line.
 
2013-04-26 08:07:27 AM

TheSelphie: Fark it, if you're going on vacation, may as well splurge.  The $300 price for Universal sounds reasonable.  The $300 PER HOUR at Disney is absurd though.


This.
 
2013-04-26 08:08:03 AM

kingdd: I'm actually in line at the DMV right now. I'd pay $150 just to get to the front if this line.

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Brace yourself for a long ride, it's a weekday.
 
2013-04-26 08:10:42 AM
Just got back from Disney & Universal.  The Universal "Fast Past" option (whatever they call it) was worth its weight in gold!
The only thing we had to wait for was Harry Potter (2+ hours) but everything else, Hulk, Spiderman, Jurassic Park, etc, was 5 minutes!  We were able to hit every ride in the park instead of waiting 2 hours per ride.

Disney's Fast Pass is great too but not as good as Universals
 
2013-04-26 08:10:46 AM
Universal's not worth the normal $80/day ticket price, much less the $300 VIP package.
 
2013-04-26 08:11:16 AM
I once got a "cut the line" pass at King's Dominion because I got stuck on a roller coaster for 20 minutes or so (I wasn't stuck, the ride was). It was the first one of the day too, so I had a full day of line-cuttery, and it was sweet.

I could see where it would be worth the cash for an enthusiast.
 
2013-04-26 08:11:21 AM
Are Mustache Rides included?
 
2013-04-26 08:11:39 AM
Busch Gardens in Virgina does this. Can't remember how much it cost, but you can buy individual cut passes. So let's say you don't want to wait in line for the coasters. You buy six passes. Or you can by just one if you like. My thing is though, what happens when more and more people start doing this. Then you'll have your long lines again.

/usually go on opening day for Hallowscream. It's a Friday which means a lot of folks are at work, and kids are in school. Didn't wait more than ten minutes for any ride.
 
2013-04-26 08:13:29 AM
It's pretty disgusting to see how the rich buy their way through life, stepping all over the poor every day. It's a slap in the face of the very concept of equality.
 
2013-04-26 08:14:29 AM
Yes, I farking hate sitting stupid lines at amusement parks.
 
2013-04-26 08:15:47 AM

miss diminutive: kingdd: I'm actually in line at the DMV right now. I'd pay $150 just to get to the front if this line.



Brace yourself for a long ride, it's a weekday.


You know you're screwed when the line wraps around the building before the doors even open. This place is just a lake of fire away from being actual hell on earth.
 
2013-04-26 08:15:50 AM

Richard_The_Clown: Or you can by just one if you like. My thing is though, what happens when more and more people start doing this. Then you'll have your long lines again.


Came here to say this. Seems this is just a fee to wait in a different line with a slightly wealthier kind of asshole.
 
2013-04-26 08:19:28 AM
This is one of the early signs of America's two-tier future. Rich? Allow me to kiss your ass. Not? Shut up and wait, nobody cares, prole.

I don't question a park's right to do this kind of thing, but it extra-guarantees I would never go. I'm more in the top tier than the bottom (not rich but fairly well off) and I hate this kind of thing. But then I hate huge, crowded, e. coli-producing theme parks.

You can find me at the local minor league baseball park on a sunny afternoon, enjoying the hell out of life. $10 for a ticket, parking is free, and the crowd is families instead of the rabid screaming drunks at big league games. When people pay a lot, they feel entitled to be jerks.
 
2013-04-26 08:19:33 AM

markie_farkie: I would gladly pay $300 to have the following people perma-banned from any public setting:


7. thin-skinned whiners
 
2013-04-26 08:20:08 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: It's pretty disgusting to see how the rich buy their way through life, stepping all over the poor every day. It's a slap in the face of the very concept of equality.


The poor should rise up and fight there way to the front of the line.
 
2013-04-26 08:20:31 AM
I would pay $300 for the permission to punch every person in those huge groups wearing the same t-shirts that take up the entire walkway.
 
2013-04-26 08:21:08 AM

Sid_6.7: It isn't $300, it's $219 more than you'd normally pay.

And it's probably an awesome deal for couples without kids to pay for.


If you are a childless couple, just go during the off season in late September. No lines at all.
 
2013-04-26 08:21:15 AM

miss diminutive: markie_farkie: I would gladly pay $300 to have the following people perma-banned from any public setting:

1.  People who congregate in groups in the MIDDLE of a farking walkway, full-well knowing they are blocking traffic.

2.  People who STOP AT THE TOP of a farking escalator, staring off in to space, oblivious to the fact that there are uncontrolled masses of people behind them that can't reverse course.

3.  People who, after standing in line for 15 minutes at a concession stand, with all that time available to review the menus posted every 6 inches, get to the front of the line and then take 10 more minutes to figure out what the fark they want to order.

4.  People who have no contextual awareness of their surroundings, and wander aimlessly, 2 feet in front of you, stopping randomly every 3 feet, and somehow managing to anticipate your every evasive move to get around their stupid farking asses...

5. People who walk through crowds while texting/surfing/playing on their phones, never bothering to look up and forcing people to dodge them or be trampled.

6. People who wear large backpacks and have no concept of how this affects their girth and who turn quickly, without looking who will be smashed in the face by their Quasimodoesque protrusion.


All this is why I live in a rural area and don't leave the house unless I have to. People...they're the WORST!
 
2013-04-26 08:21:32 AM
Boy, I used to grumble when looking at the price of a regular daily pass at our local amusement park (37€), but after seeing the prices mentioned in this thread I think I'll smile this summer.  Plus the lines are pretty short anyway.

Also no fast passes.  That whole idea would not go over well in this culture.  Mix that with the fact that all the snack stands sell alcohol and one of them hard liquor and, well, come to think of it, that might turn out to be pretty awesome.  As a spectator, of course.
 
2013-04-26 08:21:50 AM

doglover: YES!

Assume my time is worth $25 dollars an hour, thus every hour I'm waiting in line is -$25.
The average wait in Tokyo Disney is 2 hours in the summer.

This means that a full day at Disneyland in the busy season each 2 hour line costs me about $50 in lost productivity just waiting to get to ther ride.

Now, let's talk utility. I'd pay $25 to do something fun for two hours that's not waiting in line. Be it a movie, a bar tab, or a few rounds of bowling. So the 2 hour line is costing me an aditional $50 in lost utility.

So each two hour line costs me $100 in loss to wait for. Thus if I ride three rides(or skip six hours' waiting) in a day, the fast past pays for itself. So if you hit many rides, totally worth it.


So the only time you are productive at the theme park is when you are on a ride?  If your time is so valuable and that you can't waste time, why are you at a park in the first place?

Now when I am on vacation, I'm paid via my saved PTO wages regardless if I in line or not.  And since I can pretty much set my hours, maybe I'll 'charge' my productivity time when I am spending a hour eating a nice meal 'after work' instead.  In short, when you are not on the clock, complaining what you lost in 'productivity' it farking stupid.

Now is it worth it to not wait in line.  Hell yeah.  Personally instead of paying extra, I try to go in the off season when lines are short and rooms are cheaper.  This is extra good if you go to Orlando because central Florida is farking ball sweat nasty hot in the middle of the summer.
 
2013-04-26 08:22:45 AM
I am pretty sure that this is just another example of me slipping into old farthood, but I don't mind standing in line.  It helps build antici.....................pation for the ride. You get a chance to talk to the people you are riding with and plan what you're doing next.  You get to check out the tatas on the young mom who is in line about 20 people in front of you and sat in the front of the log flume...I am not saying I am up for the hour long line....but with planning you can generally avoid long waits...not all that complicated...get there early, stay late. Ride the popular rides first/last.
 
2013-04-26 08:23:40 AM
I did this at Seaworld Orlando years ago. Worth every penny.
 
2013-04-26 08:25:02 AM

Richard_The_Clown: what happens when more and more people start doing this. Then you'll have your long lines again.


I think they only sell "X" number of these fast pass things a day for this very reason.
 
2013-04-26 08:25:24 AM

EnviroDude: I did this at Seaworld Orlando years ago. Worth every penny.


You really want to be up front so you can get that mixture of whale feces and dolphin semen splashed all over you.  A lot of people are into that.
 
2013-04-26 08:25:31 AM

Cubicle Jockey: If you are a childless couple, just go during the off season in late September. No lines at all.


Fark that noise, pull the kids out of school.  Get the work lined up in advanced and make sure the kids take care of their shiat.  If anyone give you the lines about what you teaching kids taking them away from their work, just say you are preparing them for real life where you plan vacations whenever and make sure your responsibilities are taken care of in advance.
 
2013-04-26 08:25:49 AM
Yes.
 
2013-04-26 08:27:14 AM
 It is no different that using HOT lanes.   You are effectively paying to cut in line.
Yesterday, I paid 1.25 to use our local one, and bypassed a good 45 minutes of traffic.

If money was tight that month, I would eat ramen for a day or two.  3 traffic jams a week bypassed is 2 hours I can do some gardening or bang the neighbors wife while he sits in the traffic I bypassed.

I guess you miss out on feeling like cattle in the serpentine rope lines.
 
2013-04-26 08:27:21 AM
I'd pay 300 just to know that the peons paying 80 are paying that only to see me ride.
 
2013-04-26 08:28:28 AM

miss diminutive: markie_farkie: I would gladly pay $300 to have the following people perma-banned from any public setting:

1.  People who congregate in groups in the MIDDLE of a farking walkway, full-well knowing they are blocking traffic.

2.  People who STOP AT THE TOP of a farking escalator, staring off in to space, oblivious to the fact that there are uncontrolled masses of people behind them that can't reverse course.

3.  People who, after standing in line for 15 minutes at a concession stand, with all that time available to review the menus posted every 6 inches, get to the front of the line and then take 10 more minutes to figure out what the fark they want to order.

4.  People who have no contextual awareness of their surroundings, and wander aimlessly, 2 feet in front of you, stopping randomly every 3 feet, and somehow managing to anticipate your every evasive move to get around their stupid farking asses...

5. People who walk through crowds while texting/surfing/playing on their phones, never bothering to look up and forcing people to dodge them or be trampled.

6. People who wear large backpacks and have no concept of how this affects their girth and who turn quickly, without looking who will be smashed in the face by their Quasimodoesque protrusion.


I need both of you to sign me up for your newsletters.
 
2013-04-26 08:28:54 AM
The 1% have no desire to stand in line with the rest of us,
 
2013-04-26 08:28:58 AM
Disney is ahead of the curve. They have designed those RFID bracelets now that are used as your ticket, credit card, hotel room key. It knows how much you are spending and the more you spend the better the experience. Sure, you serfs can take a picture with mickey but hurry along now and shoo. Oh wait, you're staying at the expensive hotel for a week...how about mickey greets your kids BY NAME and then some?

/look up talking mickey on YouTube, its pretty cool
 
2013-04-26 08:29:41 AM
Years ago, my wife's employer rented a Great America for employees and customers. You could get on any ride with no wait. That was fun. Also free.

The employer was Arthur Andersen, so no more of that.
 
2013-04-26 08:30:17 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: It's pretty disgusting to see how the rich buy their way through life, stepping all over the poor every day. It's a slap in the face of the very concept of equality.


The key word there: CONCEPT.
It's a great concept that "all men are created equal", but that is not the reality.
Some people are more equal than others.  Sometimes that is because of having a better natural ability to do certain things better than most people (e.g. Albert Einstein).  And sometimes it is because they were born into a rich family (e.g. Paris Hilton).
 
2013-04-26 08:30:37 AM
This is news? I thought Disney has been doing this at their parks for like a decade?
 
2013-04-26 08:30:40 AM
Has anyone considered the possibility that there are just too damned many people in the park?

www.latimes.com

These parks were designed when there were about half as many people living in the US and getting to the park presented an almost insurmountable barrier to most of them.
 
2013-04-26 08:31:52 AM
As far as I could tell people go to Cedar Point to wait in line.  I know I'll never go back.
 
2013-04-26 08:32:43 AM
Some friends and I invented the line-pass comp at the NYNY casino in Vegas.  The pit boss hand-wrote it the first time.  When we visited next year, it was on a pre-printed form.
 
2013-04-26 08:35:23 AM

Tat'dGreaser: Actually it's not a bad idea if you have the money and don't have kids.


Dept of Redundancy Department.
 
2013-04-26 08:36:16 AM

markie_farkie: People who have no contextual awareness of their surroundings, and wander aimlessly, 2 feet in front of you, stopping randomly every 3 feet, and somehow managing to anticipate your every evasive move to get around their stupid farking asses...


My wife and I call these people Meanderthals.
 
2013-04-26 08:38:35 AM
My worst line experience was at Busch Gardens Water County in Williamsburg.  Took for frickin ever to ride anything.
 
2013-04-26 08:39:46 AM
It would be too much money for me, but what do I care what someone else spends their money on? If it makes them happy then good for them. I bet those people might be concerned about all the money I spend on computer gadgets. Big deal.
 
2013-04-26 08:44:51 AM
I always get the fast passes.  I'm going on vacation to enjoy myself, not stand in line with a bunch of  people that I don't want to talk to.
 
2013-04-26 08:45:10 AM

bbcard1: I am pretty sure that this is just another example of me slipping into old farthood, but I don't mind standing in line.  It helps build antici.....................pation for the ride. You get a chance to talk to the people you are riding with and plan what you're doing next.  You get to check out the tatas on the young mom who is in line about 20 people in front of you and sat in the front of the log flume...I am not saying I am up for the hour long line....but with planning you can generally avoid long waits...not all that complicated...get there early, stay late. Ride the popular rides first/last.


Maybe the rain is really to blame...
 
2013-04-26 08:49:04 AM
"We introduced our enhanced VIP Experience in response to the growing demands of our guests seeking a luxury opportunity when they visit our theme park," said Larry Kurzweil, president of Universal Studios Hollywood.

Will we be buying our tickets in bitcoins in the future? When will the ride computers be intelligent enough to revolt and eat the guests? Are any of the suited actors really genetically engineered superfreaks?
 
2013-04-26 08:49:32 AM

kingdd: You know you're screwed when the line wraps around the building before the doors even open. This place is just a lake of fire away from being actual hell on earth.


The Lake of Fire is still under construction, opening in June 2013.

I'd suggest you get the Fast Pass for it, new attractions always have long lines.
 
2013-04-26 08:49:49 AM

offacue: markie_farkie: People who have no contextual awareness of their surroundings, and wander aimlessly, 2 feet in front of you, stopping randomly every 3 feet, and somehow managing to anticipate your every evasive move to get around their stupid farking asses...

My wife and I call these people Meanderthals.


You too?

We have discovered that people who are bovinely wandering down an aisle, blocking all access to anyone else don't like it when you come up behind them and moo.
 
2013-04-26 08:51:49 AM

WhoopAssWayne: markie_farkie: I would gladly pay $300 to have the following people perma-banned from any public setting:

7. thin-skinned whiners


8.  WhoopAssWayne
 
2013-04-26 08:53:42 AM

wingnut396: So the only time you are productive at the theme park is when you are on a ride?  If your time is so valuable and that you can't waste time, why are you at a park in the first place?

Now when I am on vacation, I'm paid via my saved PTO wages regardless if I in line or not.  And since I can pretty much set my hours, maybe I'll 'charge' my productivity time when I am spending a hour eating a nice meal 'after work' instead.  In short, when you are not on the clock, complaining what you lost in 'productivity' it farking stupid.

Now is it worth it to not wait in line.  Hell yeah.  Personally instead of paying extra, I try to go in the off season when lines are short and rooms are cheaper.  This is extra good if you go to Orlando because central Florida is farking ball sweat nasty hot in the middle of the summer.


"Productive" ain't exactly the right word. Queueing up for rides isn't nourishing your soul or giving you pleasure or feeding your bank balance. It is wasting time. It's not even good wasting time like lying in a field in the sun.

I pay for Q-Bot at Legoland because I'd rather be going on rides with the kids one day, and maybe going on a bike ride at home the following day, instead of spending 2 days at Legoland to do all the stuff we want to do. It also costs about the same for Q-Bot as a day's ticket, the kids don't get bored, we get to go on lots of stuff, don't have to pay for a hotel overnight.
 
2013-04-26 09:00:33 AM

Kibbler: When people pay a lot, they feel entitled to be jerks.


This. Notice it everytime I'm overseas. Fat wallet Americans think they can be the same a**holes over there that they are over here.  Makes me shamed to be one.

/american, not jerk.
 
2013-04-26 09:06:39 AM

wingnut396: Cubicle Jockey: If you are a childless couple, just go during the off season in late September. No lines at all.

Fark that noise, pull the kids out of school.  Get the work lined up in advanced and make sure the kids take care of their shiat.  If anyone give you the lines about what you teaching kids taking them away from their work, just say you are preparing them for real life where you plan vacations whenever and make sure your responsibilities are taken care of in advance.


Love this. So many people forget: you are their parents! Do whatever you want! You own them! If you're so worried about them not developing properly, stop doing all the other bad parenting moves that you have (every parent has them) and save up the irresponsibility for one big pop every September.

Most parents insist on perfect school attendance because they've been fantasizing about their kids being out of their hair for months and delayed gratification isn't easy for anyone.
 
2013-04-26 09:07:05 AM
My wife and I paid $200 extra for a meet and greet with a band that also allowed us to get into the venue early and get the best spots for a GA show. It ended up being the best concert we ever saw because we had perfect spots where it sounded great and we could see the band. We decided that from now on we will always drop the extra cash if it's available because the experience was so much better.
I could absolutely see doing that for an amusement park. Personally, I'm a big pussy and I can't go on roller coasters so in a park it wouldn't matter to me. I'm the designated wait with the baby carriage and purses guy while everyone else goes on the ride and I'm totally okay with that.
 
2013-04-26 09:07:41 AM
If it is it might tell you something about the regular experience for visitors to your park.
 
2013-04-26 09:08:34 AM

farkeruk: "Productive" ain't exactly the right word. Queueing up for rides isn't nourishing your soul or giving you pleasure or feeding your bank balance. It is wasting time.


I agree.  My main point is comparing what you are doing away from work with what you could be earning is farking stupid.  Do you do that with sleeping?  How much money are you losing when you do crap like sleep, shower and shave?  Do you time how long it takes to pinch a loaf and then wonder if you need more fiber because it 'costs' too much?

I knew a guy that was part of our lunch group for a while that would biatch about this when service was slow.  About how much money he could be making and crap like that.  Finally we asked him if his time was so farking valuable, why was he not eating at his desk instead of going out for a lunch?  He decided to no longer be part of our lunch group for some reason.

I get the point the point of convenience.  I get the point that you have a limited amount of time on vacation and many feel the need to do it all.  I've no problem with the passes.  I just think it is stupid to compare time on vacation that you view as wasted as a missed  earning opportunity cost.  If that is your worldview, you should never go on vacation or take any leisure activity, as isn't all just missed earning opportunity?
 
2013-04-26 09:08:47 AM

Tat'dGreaser: Sid_6.7: It isn't $300, it's $219 more than you'd normally pay.

And it's probably an awesome deal for couples without kids to pay for.

GODDAMN RICH PEOPLE ARGHHHH!!!!!

Actually it's not a bad idea if you have the money and don't have kids.


Precisely. My wife and I did Disney and Islands of Adventure in Orlando back in December.  After dealing with all the "fun" at Magic Kingdom, I ponied that cash in a heartbeat for IoA so we could actually ride everything more than once.

The only ride that we stood in line for was the new Harry Potter, and that entire line is an experience in itself.  Then we rode both of the dueling dragons, twice each, in the time it took to get through the HP ride.

And this was on a Monday in December.  If we went back during the summer, there's no way I wouldn't buy the super pass.
 
2013-04-26 09:08:55 AM
6 flags in Illinois has a pass that allows you to bypass 90% of the lines for $200 for up to four.  if all you want to do is do the rides, it is wonderful. Much better then spending most of the day in lines
 
2013-04-26 09:10:48 AM

markie_farkie: I would gladly pay $300 to have the following people perma-banned from any public setting:

1.  People who congregate in groups in the MIDDLE of a farking walkway, full-well knowing they are blocking traffic.

2.  People who STOP AT THE TOP of a farking escalator, staring off in to space, oblivious to the fact that there are uncontrolled masses of people behind them that can't reverse course.

3.  People who, after standing in line for 15 minutes at a concession stand, with all that time available to review the menus posted every 6 inches, get to the front of the line and then take 10 more minutes to figure out what the fark they want to order.

4.  People who have no contextual awareness of their surroundings, and wander aimlessly, 2 feet in front of you, stopping randomly every 3 feet, and somehow managing to anticipate your every evasive move to get around their stupid farking asses...

/end of rant.


You forgot the people who stand in front of elevators and subway cars not giving people time to get out first.
 
2013-04-26 09:11:29 AM
Staying on site at a Universal Hotel in Orlando, especially during off peak when prices get more reasonable, is worth every penny.

Family of 5 - 3 great pools... all get fast passes to 95% of the rides / attractions... come and go as you please from the parks and walk back to your hotel.. go off site for food.. come back.

Sounds like a commercial?  Probably.  But this is the one thing my entire family agrees on and we look forward to going every year.   Cut out a handful of other amenities during the year.. no biggie.  It's more expensive than staying at the Ramada and getting to ride only about 20% of the rides we currently do but, if I'm only going to have one vacation a year, I'm doing it right. And no.. I don't feel guilty that I can budget throughout the year to make my family's vacation memorable..
 
2013-04-26 09:11:50 AM
You can go the scumbag route and put someone in your group in a wheelchair. Everyone gets to skip the lines that way.
 
2013-04-26 09:12:07 AM
I noticed at King's Dominion that almost everyone over 8 and under 40 had a Fastpass.  The fastpass line was longer than the regular line for some rides.  I don't know if the regular line ever moved.
 
2013-04-26 09:13:15 AM

honk: The Lake of Fire is still under construction, opening in June 2013.


If you've been to Disney Studios, that attraction is called "Fantasmic."
 
2013-04-26 09:14:06 AM
No one goes there anymore; it's too crowded.
 
2013-04-26 09:16:49 AM
First time I saw someone with one of these fast passes, at King's Island in Ohio, yeah, I was pissed.  But now my wife and I are planning a trip to Cedar Point this summer, and we've decided to splurge on the fast passes--I went there once, years ago, and my single most vivid memory of the day was standing in line for 3 hours to ride the raptor, right around closing time.  Thanks, but, it's worth my money to spend an extra 60 bucks a ticket so that driving 6 hours to a theme park doesn't suck donkey balls.

Side note--have any of you been to Cedar Point with the fast pass this year yet?  How big of a difference does it seem to make?
 
2013-04-26 09:20:20 AM

bark_atda_moon: I noticed at King's Dominion that almost everyone over 8 and under 40 had a Fastpass.  The fastpass line was longer than the regular line for some rides.  I don't know if the regular line ever moved.


This highlights the real problem.  They're just overselling the total number of tickets at times.

The last park I actually enjoyed was Busch Gardens Tampa in the off season.  Disney Orlando wasn't horrible, but only because we went on my daughter's birthday and we got to double up on the rides.
 
2013-04-26 09:24:36 AM

ManRay: You can go the scumbag route and put someone in your group in a wheelchair. Everyone gets to skip the lines that way.


Depends on the park. Some give exit line access, others treat it like a FastPass, where you schedule times to get on the ride, and it adjusts for how crowded the park is.

In any case, if you go when it's crowded, it's going to suck. We went to Universal between Xmas and NYD, and it was a two-hour wait to get IN to the Harry Potter section. Then another 1.5-2 hour wait to get on the 3 rides in that part of the park. They shut down admissions to that side of the park by 11AM.

Advice? Go on a weekday, during a non-vacation time of year. Look at the kids' school calendars, and do it on a teacher workday. Won't need a fast pass, overpriced upgrade or fake doctors' note.

Side note - because this type of 'upgrade' has become so popular, Disney recently created an apartment inside Cinderella's Castle @ WDW. Technically, it's not available to the general public, but, like Club 33, it can be had.....for a price.
 
2013-04-26 09:27:58 AM
As someone who lives within a mile of a major amusement park and doesn't ever wait in lines and rides the rides more than most anyone who goes to the park, I'm really getting a kick . . . .

I go evenings during the week around 8:30, and mornings on the weekend right when they open.  And sometimes a weekend at the end of the day.  I can leave my house at 8:55, and get 6-7 rides in on top flight coasters, and be back home by 10:10.  Put the kid to bed, have a couple pops, head over and ride rides, and then come back home.

I'm also the king of the three point shooting game and the free throw shooting game.  Not sure why anyone would pay 5 bucks for 2 shots at a bent rim way up in the air when you could pay 5 bucks to do a three point shooting contest (4 balls from each side and top of the key).  I've won so many jerseys I have to give them all away.  I will win the IPad one day, I swear I will.  Gotta go 12/12 from college three point range in 40 seconds.  My best is 10/12.

I love amusement parks.
 
2013-04-26 09:31:13 AM

markie_farkie: I would gladly pay $300 to have the following people perma-banned from any public setting:

1.  People who congregate in groups in the MIDDLE of a farking walkway, full-well knowing they are blocking traffic.

2.  People who STOP AT THE TOP of a farking escalator, staring off in to space, oblivious to the fact that there are uncontrolled masses of people behind them that can't reverse course.

3.  People who, after standing in line for 15 minutes at a concession stand, with all that time available to review the menus posted every 6 inches, get to the front of the line and then take 10 more minutes to figure out what the fark they want to order.


3.1 ... and then proceed to take another 5 minutes to hunt around in their purse/jacket/pockets for their wallet to pay for said order.  What, did you not realize that the step AFTER placing an order and receiving it was PAYING for it?

4.  People who have no contextual awareness of their surroundings, and wander aimlessly, 2 feet in front of you, stopping randomly every 3 feet, and somehow managing to anticipate your every evasive move to get around their stupid farking asses...

/end of rant.

 
2013-04-26 09:31:33 AM
If the park does this, I don't go. This is because when they pay the park this extra thing, the park is selling my place in line, which I paid for, without compensating me for the fact that I have to wait. Selling cuts is NOT cool.

It's one thing for the rich to be able to pay for things I can't- and quite another for them to be able to take from me without my permission based on their wealth.
 
2013-04-26 09:32:23 AM
or just time your trip to the park right.. we got lucky one day, went to Cedar Point in the fall, started out looking like a cloudy gross day. Got to the park and hardly anyone was there. Every single coaster we went on had a line of at most 10 people. The longest line was maybe 10 minutes for Millennium 2000. Most of the rides you could get off and get right back on. I love coasters and crazy g force rides.. but we rode so many that day that by the end i was completely wiped out. As for Cedar Point? if you like coasters, you MUST go there some day. Its an amazing park, tons of great rides.
 
2013-04-26 09:33:37 AM
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loves this idea.
 
2013-04-26 09:36:02 AM

Flakeloaf: Richard_The_Clown: Or you can by just one if you like. My thing is though, what happens when more and more people start doing this. Then you'll have your long lines again.

Came here to say this. Seems this is just a fee to wait in a different line with a slightly wealthier kind of asshole.


You're missing the point. Once that happens, they'll introduce an even more expensive, er I mean special, VIP pass that allows you to cut in front of the cutters. Which probably already exists for celebrities.
 
2013-04-26 09:36:22 AM

kokomo61: Side note - because this type of 'upgrade' has become so popular, Disney recently created an apartment inside Cinderella's Castle @ WDW. Technically, it's not available to the general public, but, like Club 33, it can be had.....for a price.


What is the price?  Everything I read said that it was exclusively for prize winners.

legendsrevealed.com

I bet it is SPOOKY as crap to be there with the park empty.  And probably no room service!
 
2013-04-26 09:41:21 AM
Last year when my youngest kid turned 10 we took a trip out to L.A. to finish up his SCUBA certification over on Catalina, where I had finished his brother's certification the year before.  After the dive trip we gave them the option of Universal / Disney,etc or go sightseeing.  We ended up hiking up to view the Hollywood sign, people watching on Venice Beach, went to 3rd. St. Prominade to people watch some more and then did the pier afterwards.  They've got memories of LA that will last a lifetime, whereas most kids won't remember a thing about a visit to a theme park other than how cranky mom and dad were at the end of the day.  For farks sake - take your kids and do something meaningful.  If, as a family of four, I had budgeted $1200 to blow for a day of fun, it sure as fark wouldn't be spent with 10,000 other people.
 
2013-04-26 09:43:35 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: It's pretty disgusting to see how the rich buy their way through life, stepping all over the poor every day. It's a slap in the face of the very concept of equality.


As I have been teaching my son in preparation for the coming classwar
 
2013-04-26 09:55:04 AM
ChaoticLimbs:

It's one thing for the rich to be able to pay for things I can't- and quite another for them to be able to take from me without my permission based on their wealth.

Why do you hate America?
 
2013-04-26 09:56:01 AM

doglover: YES!

Assume my time is worth $25 dollars an hour, thus every hour I'm waiting in line is -$25.
The average wait in Tokyo Disney is 2 hours in the summer.

This means that a full day at Disneyland in the busy season each 2 hour line costs me about $50 in lost productivity just waiting to get to ther ride.

Now, let's talk utility. I'd pay $25 to do something fun for two hours that's not waiting in line. Be it a movie, a bar tab, or a few rounds of bowling. So the 2 hour line is costing me an aditional $50 in lost utility.

So each two hour line costs me $100 in loss to wait for. Thus if I ride three rides(or skip six hours' waiting) in a day, the fast past pays for itself. So if you hit many rides, totally worth it.



You just typed all that on a Blackberry, didn't you?
 
2013-04-26 09:57:03 AM

FilmBELOH20: For farks sake - take your kids and do something meaningful.

 
2013-04-26 09:58:31 AM

The Dynamite Monkey: FilmBELOH20: For farks sake - take your kids and do something meaningful.


Ok I am a numbnutz who didn't preview, so I will direct my scorn to myself instead of you!
 
2013-04-26 10:00:04 AM

Monkeyhouse Zendo: Has anyone considered the possibility that there are just too damned many people in the park?

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These parks were designed when there were about half as many people living in the US and getting to the park presented an almost insurmountable barrier to most of them.


Actually, the parks have expanded exponentially in size... at a rate far exceeding population growth.  They are so big and numerous now, it isnt even possible to go everywhere on a week long trip.
 
2013-04-26 10:02:56 AM

ChaoticLimbs: If the park does this, I don't go. This is because when they pay the park this extra thing, the park is selling my place in line, which I paid for, without compensating me for the fact that I have to wait. Selling cuts is NOT cool.

It's one thing for the rich to be able to pay for things I can't- and quite another for them to be able to take from me without my permission based on their wealth.


I generally feel the same way.

When a park sells special tours or access to hidden areas - that's cool. They are selling something extra that requires additional resources (special tour guide and adjustments to security). Selling 'cuts' in line is essentially selling something that doesn't belong to them. They are literally selling the inconvenience of their less valued customers. Other examples might be:

Revoking a reservation at a booked hotel because someone agreed to pay more
Bumping you from a reserved/confirmed flight because somebody bought your seat for a fee

Nobody has a problem with people with money getting the first class treatment. The problem is when the treatment takes away from the experience that you are also paying for.
 
2013-04-26 10:03:23 AM
bark_atda_moon:  I don't know if the regular line ever moved.
 
2013-04-26 10:09:54 AM

bbcard1: I am pretty sure that this is just another example of me slipping into old farthood, but I don't mind standing in line.  It helps build antici.....................pation for the ride. You get a chance to talk to the people you are riding with and plan what you're doing next.  You get to check out the tatas on the young mom who is in line about 20 people in front of you and sat in the front of the log flume...I am not saying I am up for the hour long line....but with planning you can generally avoid long waits...not all that complicated...get there early, stay late. Ride the popular rides first/last.


I hate standing in the lines, but one thing I think is comical is the way the length of the line is intentionally hidden on some of these rides. Just when it looks like you are just about to the end you turn the corner and you see there were 12 more rows of gates hidden behind the hedges.
 
2013-04-26 10:14:15 AM
Running past the same patrons over and over again was well worth the price of the upgrade.
 
2013-04-26 10:15:10 AM
I wish parks wouldn't sell dirt-cheap annual passes to state residents.
FL locals come and gum up the works by dropping off their kids on days that would otherwise be low attendance at the parks.

/that's what Disney recently figured out - and they now stop underage kids from entering parks w/o an adult
//thinks Disney also figured out that the local kids they were 'babysitting' became immune to their extra-profit stuffedtoys&concession come-ons...
 
2013-04-26 10:23:06 AM

nanim: I wish parks wouldn't sell dirt-cheap annual passes to state residents.
FL locals come and gum up the works by dropping off their kids on days that would otherwise be low attendance at the parks.

/that's what Disney recently figured out - and they now stop underage kids from entering parks w/o an adult
//thinks Disney also figured out that the local kids they were 'babysitting' became immune to their extra-profit stuffedtoys&concession come-ons...


Disney does good business.

For example, they don't sell a Fast Pass that gives people cuts for a fee. They include a Fast Pass system in all tickets that essentially 'save a spot in line' and are expended while waiting in that virtual line. I got back from WDW a few weeks ago and the Fast Pass system worked great. We got passes for the big lines and filled in the 2-5 hour waits in between riding the less popular rides. Never waited in a line longer than 20 minutes on all five days in the parks and rode every ride that was offered. As a bonus, the wife and kids chickened out of Everest, so I got to ride that four times in a row. Good times!
 
2013-04-26 10:39:13 AM
Nope. It sucks wait in line ya lazy farks.
I hate being around lots  of people when they are crammed into parks ahole to bellybutton, so I learned just go on the off season or during a weekday. We took a Disney trip in the 90s and the lines there seemed to move pretty quick, dunno if that is the case anymore.
 
2013-04-26 10:43:43 AM
Go to a seasonal park at the beginning/end of season on a weekday when a lot of the kiddies are in school.  You can basically walk onto the rides.
 
2013-04-26 10:45:36 AM

groppet: Nope. It sucks wait in line ya lazy farks.
I hate being around lots  of people when they are crammed into parks ahole to bellybutton, so I learned just go on the off season or during a weekday. We took a Disney trip in the 90s and the lines there seemed to move pretty quick, dunno if that is the case anymore.


Disney INVENTED the fast moving line. They can get people on/off rides faster than anyone and they entertain them while they wait. There are big screens for patrons to play video games while they wait in line at Space Mountain now. The reason there are long waits is because the lines are so long. That's why you time your visit the best you can.
 
2013-04-26 10:46:28 AM

12349876: Go to a seasonal park at the beginning/end of season on a weekday when a lot of the kiddies are in school.  You can basically walk onto the rides.


Those parks aren't open until schools are out. Where do you think they get most of their employees?
 
2013-04-26 10:46:30 AM
not that amusement parks should expected to be the barometers of social equality, but i find it fitting that class privilege extends even there.  invariably, if you're being shuttled to the front of the line, you're putting other people out.  been waiting for 2 hours?  wait 3, because the Rockefellers just got here and they all want to go on this ride.  imagine if we prioritized healthcare and education and basic rights based on one's access to money.  oh...

can't wait to see this morally bankrupt, inefficient, needlessly competitive joke of a social system break down for good.
 
2013-04-26 10:54:09 AM
hmm...

The only line that comes to mind that would be worth paying $300 to be at the front of would have to be the line for a train...

...if you're into that sort of thing.
 
2013-04-26 11:00:38 AM

markie_farkie: I would gladly pay $300 to have the following people perma-banned from any public setting:

1.  People who congregate in groups in the MIDDLE of a farking walkway, full-well knowing they are blocking traffic.

2.  People who STOP AT THE TOP of a farking escalator, staring off in to space, oblivious to the fact that there are uncontrolled masses of people behind them that can't reverse course.

3.  People who, after standing in line for 15 minutes at a concession stand, with all that time available to review the menus posted every 6 inches, get to the front of the line and then take 10 more minutes to figure out what the fark they want to order.

4.  People who have no contextual awareness of their surroundings, and wander aimlessly, 2 feet in front of you, stopping randomly every 3 feet, and somehow managing to anticipate your every evasive move to get around their stupid farking asses...

/end of rant.


People  who try to get in the elevator/subway/monorail before you have a chance to get out, which would make the room for them to enter in the first place.

People who walk 5 abreast at .34 miles an hour blocking the entire walkway you are trying to travel.

People who don't treat walkways like traffic and walk on the right side (or left if you're in one of those stupid countries) like in the mall which usualy has a median (made up of e cigs, t-shirts, dental floss hair removal, women who stop you to sell you lotion and hologram balance bands). There is always the one group of people who have to fight the flow of walkers going the other way.
 
2013-04-26 11:07:40 AM

ChaoticLimbs: If the park does this, I don't go. This is because when they pay the park this extra thing, the park is selling my place in line, which I paid for, without compensating me for the fact that I have to wait. Selling cuts is NOT cool.
It's one thing for the rich to be able to pay for things I can't- and quite another for them to be able to take from me without my permission based on their wealth.


Your compensation is that they didn't raise your ticket prices.

But I agree, if you don't like it, don't go.
 
2013-04-26 11:08:53 AM

markie_farkie: I would gladly pay $300 to have the following people perma-banned from any public setting:

1.  People who congregate in groups in the MIDDLE of a farking walkway, full-well knowing they are blocking traffic.

2.  People who STOP AT THE TOP of a farking escalator, staring off in to space, oblivious to the fact that there are uncontrolled masses of people behind them that can't reverse course.

3.  People who, after standing in line for 15 minutes at a concession stand, with all that time available to review the menus posted every 6 inches, get to the front of the line and then take 10 more minutes to figure out what the fark they want to order.

4.  People who have no contextual awareness of their surroundings, and wander aimlessly, 2 feet in front of you, stopping randomly every 3 feet, and somehow managing to anticipate your every evasive move to get around their stupid farking asses...

/end of rant.


You forgot at least one.
5. People who insist on entering the elevator before you've had a chance to exit the elevator.

/works in a hotel and feels your pain
 
2013-04-26 11:10:33 AM
Are there adults without kids that find amusement parks to even be worth their normal entry fee?  It's like you are paying money to be bounced on daddy's knee and thrown in the air and caught.
 
2013-04-26 11:13:25 AM
You know what else was a premium theme park for the rich?

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2013-04-26 11:14:27 AM
I wouldn't mind paying for the privilege of cutting ahead.

When I took my boy to Disney World Hollywood Studios (among other places that week), we were first in line for Lights! Motors! Action! We picked out where we were going to sit (we could see the grandstand) and got up there to find out it was reserved for VIPs. No big deal because we just sat in the rows behind it and still had a great center view. There were only like six or seven VIPs in a space that would have held about 60-80, but whatever.

I like the Disney Fast Passes and used them where possible. My boy changed his mind and didn't want to ride a ride again, so we gave them to a Cast Member (a dead ringer for a young Eddie Murphy!) to give away to somebody.

If somebody pays to cut ahead of the line, good for them. Some people use free Fast Passes, some pay for the privilege. No big deal.
 
2013-04-26 11:16:01 AM

Krieghund: ChaoticLimbs: If the park does this, I don't go. This is because when they pay the park this extra thing, the park is selling my place in line, which I paid for, without compensating me for the fact that I have to wait. Selling cuts is NOT cool.
It's one thing for the rich to be able to pay for things I can't- and quite another for them to be able to take from me without my permission based on their wealth.

Your compensation is that they didn't raise your ticket prices.

But I agree, if you don't like it, don't go.


That's about it. If people don't like the way the park manages things, then don't go. Life is unfair.
 
2013-04-26 11:16:15 AM

internetuser1080: not that amusement parks should expected to be the barometers of social equality, but i find it fitting that class privilege extends even there.  invariably, if you're being shuttled to the front of the line, you're putting other people out.  been waiting for 2 hours?  wait 3, because the Rockefellers just got here and they all want to go on this ride.  imagine if we prioritized healthcare and education and basic rights based on one's access to money.  oh...

can't wait to see this morally bankrupt, inefficient, needlessly competitive joke of a social system break down for good.


It won't be long.... I'll see you then otfl
 
2013-04-26 11:16:52 AM

FilmBELOH20: Last year when my youngest kid turned 10 we took a trip out to L.A. to finish up his SCUBA certification over on Catalina, where I had finished his brother's certification the year before.  After the dive trip we gave them the option of Universal / Disney,etc or go sightseeing.  We ended up hiking up to view the Hollywood sign, people watching on Venice Beach, went to 3rd. St. Prominade to people watch some more and then did the pier afterwards.  They've got memories of LA that will last a lifetime, whereas most kids won't remember a thing about a visit to a theme park other than how cranky mom and dad were at the end of the day. For farks sake - take your kids and do something meaningful.  If, as a family of four, I had budgeted $1200 to blow for a day of fun, it sure as fark wouldn't be spent with 10,000 other people.


I remember my parents taking me to Disney World 35 years ago, when I was 4. My dad rode the teacups and the Dumbo ride with me, and we rode the Jungle Cruise and the Pirates of the Caribbean and the Small World rides as a family. And the monorail from the parking lot was awesome. I'm sure we all got cranky and tired by the end of it, but I don't remember that part.
 
2013-04-26 11:16:54 AM
YES.
 
2013-04-26 11:18:05 AM
After a Disney cruise last year, we spent a day at Universal Islands of Adventure.  My son was 41.5 inches, so not quite tall enough for Jurassic Park (they wouldn't let him on even though he was THAT close), or the Dudley-do-right ride.  However, he was tall enough for the Flight of the Hippogriff ride in Harry Potter land.  The fast pass was the best thing we bought that day, even if we couldn't use it on everything because of the height requirements, but to get to the front with a 4 year old at Flight? Yup, totally worth it.
 
2013-04-26 11:21:24 AM

roughridersfan: Krieghund: ChaoticLimbs: If the park does this, I don't go. This is because when they pay the park this extra thing, the park is selling my place in line, which I paid for, without compensating me for the fact that I have to wait. Selling cuts is NOT cool.
It's one thing for the rich to be able to pay for things I can't- and quite another for them to be able to take from me without my permission based on their wealth.

Your compensation is that they didn't raise your ticket prices.

But I agree, if you don't like it, don't go.

That's about it. If people don't like the way the park manages things, then don't go. Life is unfair.


It's that attitude that allows stuff like this to happen, if nobody stands up it's easier to step on their face to get over them.
 
mjl
2013-04-26 11:26:58 AM
I'm  a big fan of the virtual queuing systems .... I get to wander round and try some of the lesser rides, but I'm still waiting my turn.

The thing about the VIP pass is that it would break down if everyone bought one... virtual queuing would work fine.
 
2013-04-26 11:30:10 AM
"The lunch alone was worth it," Chris Hansen said.

So rich people can get yet another "one up" on everyone else.
I hope they see a dramatic drop in regular joe entry that doesn't cover the gains on sucking the rich persons crotch.

I won't pay 80.00 to stand in line for two hours to ride one ride, to amount to perhaps six rides for the day at most.
I'd rather fap.
 
2013-04-26 11:30:39 AM
Just got back from Disney/Seaworld with twin toddlers and a 6 year old.  I still don't get why anyone likes Disneyworld.  My brother asked what it was like and I just told him it's like standing in line all day and throwing $100 away every hour.

Seaworld was pretty damn cool though.

You know it's bad when the 6 year old wants to leave Magic Kingdom early to go back to the hotel and swim and "do something fun".  Even with the fast pass option the wait time are ridiculous.

On a plus note we are just under 2 hours away from this place in Green Bay. Tickets are $0.25 each and lines are virtually non-existent.  I tried to spend $10 on my daughter there and I couldn't do it.  Only a few of the bigger rides had any line.  We do it once or twice a summer - worth the drive if you're in the WI or UP of MI.

http://greenbaywi.gov/baybeach/rides/
 
2013-04-26 11:32:46 AM
CSB: I have been to Orlando 58 times (I think? Lost count at one point...).

The first 52 were for work over the span of a year and a half.  The others were post-marriage family trips - I made a lot of friends down there too.

I never went to Disney until trip 57.
 
2013-04-26 11:36:11 AM

markie_farkie: I would gladly pay $300 to have the following people perma-banned from any public setting:

1.  People who congregate in groups in the MIDDLE of a farking walkway, full-well knowing they are blocking traffic.

2.  People who STOP AT THE TOP of a farking escalator, staring off in to space, oblivious to the fact that there are uncontrolled masses of people behind them that can't reverse course.

3.  People who, after standing in line for 15 minutes at a concession stand, with all that time available to review the menus posted every 6 inches, get to the front of the line and then take 10 more minutes to figure out what the fark they want to order.

4.  People who have no contextual awareness of their surroundings, and wander aimlessly, 2 feet in front of you, stopping randomly every 3 feet, and somehow managing to anticipate your every evasive move to get around their stupid farking asses...

/end of rant.


You must have been at my daughter's track meet last night as you just described 80% of the people there.

/made me stabby
 
2013-04-26 11:42:36 AM
I am made of money and bought the VIP pass for Great America last summer.  It was worth it just to look at the poors' faces as I cut through the lines.
 
2013-04-26 11:43:49 AM

a_room_with_a_moose: You must have been at my daughter's track meet last night as you just described 80% of the people there.


Forgot to add:

People who drive diagonally through parking lot lanes, and then get pissed and honk because someone driving correctly according to the painted lines "gets in their way"..
 
2013-04-26 11:51:50 AM
doglover:
YES!

Assume my time is worth $25 dollars an hour, thus every hour I'm waiting in line is -$25.


I'm sure this has been pointed out but nobody is paying you for your time on the days you hit the amusement park. Much like home repairs that would cut into your leisure time, this sort of comparison doesn't really work for most people.

I farkin' hate amusement parks but sometimes my wife drags me to them. If I could pay $300 to be at the front of the line all day long I would do it in a heartbeat, but I doubt it works like that.
 
2013-04-26 12:00:34 PM
Yes... yes it is.  The wife and I have done this at Six Flags California and Cedar point.  We live in a region where there is only one decent rollercoaster and its a 3 hour drive away.  We had one day at Six flags, and the same for Cedar Point.  The only reason Cedar point was accessible is because we were on a week long drive across the country and we needed to break the monotony.  When you've got one day to make the most of it, its worth it to not have to stand in line.  20+ rides at each park in a total rollercoaster binge.  In the end its about the same cost as having to stay a few days to get our fill of the fun, so might as well not spend it to not stand in line.  If I lived somewhere with decent access to rollercoasters... probably not.
 
2013-04-26 12:00:35 PM
RIchard_the_Clown: "what happens when more and more people start doing this"

The park operators roll around in their giant piles of money, cackling-madly?
As pointed out, they just introduce a newer-better-er VIP pass for even *more* money.

The thing with the lines is: they're not necessary. A park could easily do the RFID bracelet reservation thing. And then while you're still *waiting* for 2 hours for a ride, you can wander around and do the other shiat at the park.

But most parks suck but for the rides. And the non-ride shiat is expensive. Letting people wander around just emphasizes this. And if you give people 6 more hours to wander the park, they don't magically find themselves willing to spend even *more* on overpriced food/games/tchotchkes/etc. They just wind up loitering out in the open, creating problems. (traffic, social, etc)

So the lines aren't necessary. They're essentially a solved problem. But the solution makes business more difficult for the parks, so they don't want it. And if they can sell you a hack (line-cutting) for a premium? That's just icing on the cake.
 
2013-04-26 12:04:51 PM

ManRay: You can go the scumbag route and put someone in your group in a wheelchair. Everyone gets to skip the lines that way.


I went to a Six Flags with a wheelchair-bound friend once.  Best amusement park experience of my life.
 
2013-04-26 12:09:47 PM

Kibbler: This is one of the early signs of America's two-tier future. Rich? Allow me to kiss your ass. Not? Shut up and wait, nobody cares, prole.


And how is this any different than America's present?  Or past?
 
2013-04-26 12:13:39 PM

spentshells: roughridersfan: Krieghund: ChaoticLimbs: If the park does this, I don't go. This is because when they pay the park this extra thing, the park is selling my place in line, which I paid for, without compensating me for the fact that I have to wait. Selling cuts is NOT cool.
It's one thing for the rich to be able to pay for things I can't- and quite another for them to be able to take from me without my permission based on their wealth.

Your compensation is that they didn't raise your ticket prices.

But I agree, if you don't like it, don't go.

That's about it. If people don't like the way the park manages things, then don't go. Life is unfair.

It's that attitude that allows stuff like this to happen, if nobody stands up it's easier to step on their face to get over them.


Life is cruel. Don't like it, don't go. You can't get stepped on if YOU'RE NOT THERE.


Since you don't like people cutting ahead, maybe nobody should be allowed to spend money and reserve plane tickets. Everybody should just wait until they get to the airport and all stand in line. That way nobody can take advantage of discounted seats because all the seats will be the same price. And no seat selection! And no presales for concerts because you have a certain credit card or code! No benefits to ANYBODY!!!!!
 
2013-04-26 12:16:41 PM
Mitt Romney explained to me that $300 is the real cost of the ticket. The $210 regular fee is a gift to the 47%.
 
2013-04-26 12:16:52 PM
You must have been at my daughter's track meet last night as you just described 80% of the people there.

Forgot to add:

People who drive diagonally through parking lot lanes, and then get pissed and honk because someone driving correctly according to the painted lines "gets in their way"..


Lines? The lot's obviously empty. Don't be such a sheep.
 
2013-04-26 12:31:12 PM
Amusement parks -  hours of waiting followed by moments of terror, my kinda place.  Not to mention a $4.00 bottle of water.
 
2013-04-26 12:35:44 PM
I'm sure you can get a shiatty wheelchair for cheaper and escort a "handicapped" friend to the front of each line.
 
2013-04-26 12:36:26 PM

Ivandrago: My wife and I paid $200 extra for a meet and greet with a band that also allowed us to get into the venue early and get the best spots for a GA show. It ended up being the best concert we ever saw because we had perfect spots where it sounded great and we could see the band. We decided that from now on we will always drop the extra cash if it's available because the experience was so much better.
I could absolutely see doing that for an amusement park. Personally, I'm a big pussy and I can't go on roller coasters so in a park it wouldn't matter to me. I'm the designated wait with the baby carriage and purses guy while everyone else goes on the ride and I'm totally okay with that.


Great White?
 
2013-04-26 12:45:57 PM

CalvinMorallis: First time I saw someone with one of these fast passes, at King's Island in Ohio, yeah, I was pissed.  But now my wife and I are planning a trip to Cedar Point this summer, and we've decided to splurge on the fast passes--I went there once, years ago, and my single most vivid memory of the day was standing in line for 3 hours to ride the raptor, right around closing time.  Thanks, but, it's worth my money to spend an extra 60 bucks a ticket so that driving 6 hours to a theme park doesn't suck donkey balls.

Side note--have any of you been to Cedar Point with the fast pass this year yet?  How big of a difference does it seem to make?


The difference depends on what day of the week you go and the weather. A sunny Saturday in July? You almost HAVE to get Fast Lane passes if you want to ride everything in 1 day. Cloudy weekday in September? Prob a waste of money. Keep in mind that if you know the exact date you are going to be there that you can buy the pass online months in advance for that day. So rather than paying double the admission (about $50 or $100 with the line pass) you can get them for $30-40 depending on how early you get them and how many.

As for the "What happens when everyone starts buying them?" crowd, this is not an issue at Cedar Fair parks (CP, King's Island, etc.) They limit the amount of passes that can be sold on any given date and even if the limit has not been reached they quit offering them at noon each day. Yes the people that run these billion dollar parks are smart enough to realize no one would buy them if there was no benefit to it.
 
2013-04-26 12:48:38 PM
The Mr and I splurged for the front of line passes at Universal Studios Hollywood Horror Nights, not the VIP ones, and it was 100% worth it. We got to go on almost every ride and did all the mazes, some twice. I'd never buy a regular pass after that experience.
 
2013-04-26 01:11:54 PM
I've done several of these things and will continue to do so.  My wife has a bad knee from a car accident and can't/won't ride the big rides, so my motivation is two fold.  One, my time is valuable; two, I don't want to make her wait for me to sit in line.

The other thing is some of the extra perks are cool.  At busch gardens, it includes photos, so the person taking you on the tour takes tons of photos of you and then you get a DVD of them at the end of theday.  Great since without them, all our pictures are either of just her or just me with a few where we asked someone to take pictures of us.  With the tour, almost all the photos are both of you.

They frequently will include meals and other things that we were going to buy anyway, so it's not usually as expensive as the ones above, plus I don't buy the all out one, I tend to stick to the smaller one.  Oh... and some come with the hotel.  At universal studios orlando, if you stay in their hotel, you don't wait in lines for the rides. (Other than the two newest ones.) Sure, their hotels cost more, but they aren't that much more and they have a boat that drops you off right in front of the park which is also good for my wife with her bad knee.

/theme park junkie
//currently has season passes to disneyworld, universal orlando, busch gardens, seaworld.
 
2013-04-26 01:16:06 PM

germ78: I'm sure you can get a shiatty wheelchair for cheaper and escort a "handicapped" friend to the front of each line.


many of the parks are getting rid of that perk.  All the newer rides have handicapped accessible queues and you can wait in line in your wheelchair.  It still works on some of the older ones, but some are putting a time on those so they'll give you a card with a time that is the same as the length of the line and you can't get on until that time.  Sure you don't wait in line, but you have to hang around that portion of the park waiting on your time.
 
2013-04-26 01:23:42 PM

roughridersfan: Since you don't like people cutting ahead, maybe nobody should be allowed to spend money and reserve plane tickets. Everybody should just wait until they get to the airport and all stand in line. That way nobody can take advantage of discounted seats because all the seats will be the same price. And no seat selection! And no presales for concerts because you have a certain credit card or code! No benefits to ANYBODY!!!!!

-=-
We're talking Amusement Parks here. They are not as common as airports with multiple vendors and classes to choose from.
This is a public venue where everyone gets the same experience equally. There should be no reason to treat some above others.

Ya snob.
imageshack.us
 
2013-04-26 01:24:20 PM
CSB: many years ago, I waited in a long roller coaster line behind Tia Carrere. I was OK with it.
 
2013-04-26 01:46:10 PM
There is an easier way.

www.imfdb.org
 
2013-04-26 02:01:44 PM

CalvinMorallis: First time I saw someone with one of these fast passes, at King's Island in Ohio, yeah, I was pissed.  But now my wife and I are planning a trip to Cedar Point this summer, and we've decided to splurge on the fast passes--I went there once, years ago, and my single most vivid memory of the day was standing in line for 3 hours to ride the raptor, right around closing time.  Thanks, but, it's worth my money to spend an extra 60 bucks a ticket so that driving 6 hours to a theme park doesn't suck donkey balls.

Side note--have any of you been to Cedar Point with the fast pass this year yet?  How big of a difference does it seem to make?


I had a friend who was hit by a car back in high school. Not too serious, but due to various surgeries he was on crutches for a couple summers while they fixes something about the growth plate in his knee.

We always took him with us when we went to Kings Island (grew up about 4 miles from the park). Can't say it was totally altruistic.. He got to go for free, and we never had to wait in line because he would get a wheelchair at the start of the day.

They never question it at the rides, even if it does have that ""Recent back, neck, or bone injury" disclaimer.
 
2013-04-26 02:22:02 PM

Stoker: roughridersfan: Since you don't like people cutting ahead, maybe nobody should be allowed to spend money and reserve plane tickets. Everybody should just wait until they get to the airport and all stand in line. That way nobody can take advantage of discounted seats because all the seats will be the same price. And no seat selection! And no presales for concerts because you have a certain credit card or code! No benefits to ANYBODY!!!!!
-=-
We're talking Amusement Parks here. They are not as common as airports with multiple vendors and classes to choose from.
This is a public venue where everyone gets the same experience equally. There should be no reason to treat some above others.

Ya snob.
[imageshack.us image 16x16]


lol, I understand. I enjoy the perks when I can afford them. When I took my boy down to Florida, we weren't guaranteed seats together on the plane, so I paid for the seat selections. Well worth it because the plane has seats with two on one side and three on the other, so my boy didn't have a stranger sitting beside me.

As somebody noted, the parks will only sell a limited number of these privileged passes. Would anybody turn down these privileges if somebody offered them as a prize? I sure wouldn't.

I loved the Fast Passes at Disney. It helped teach my boy think about planning where to go. "Alright, these passes aren't active for 90 minutes and then expire an hour after they become active (or whatever it was), what do you want to do until then?"

I guess I am a snob because I paid for the Fantasmic Dinner Package at Hollywood Studios. I reserved a lunch time at the Hollywood Brown Derby. When we got there, the waiter explained how it worked. My bill would be $60, my son's would be $30. We would get our choice of an appetizer, entree and dessert (my son got the same choice on the kids' menu). We would get a pass that we could use at a separate entrance (near Twilight Zone Tower of Terror) - that would let us into a roped off area that gave us a nice centered view of the performance area.

It was worth it because we didn't have to hurry to get rush seats really early. By the time we got to Fantasmic, the rush f area was pretty full of people who had been sitting and waiting for a while while our area was pretty empty (some people at the bottom, but my son wanted to sit higher up).
 
2013-04-26 02:40:35 PM
I don't know why this is unlikely, I would totally pay a $300 flat rate for a VIP day pass to skip all the lines and whatnot.  I would not pay $300 an hour, I don't like to feel rushed.  I wouldn't do it all the time and it depends on the time of year, but if it was my one trip a year and it was in during a busy time like summer, I absolutely would pay it.
 
2013-04-26 02:44:01 PM

Stoker: roughridersfan: Since you don't like people cutting ahead, maybe nobody should be allowed to spend money and reserve plane tickets. Everybody should just wait until they get to the airport and all stand in line. That way nobody can take advantage of discounted seats because all the seats will be the same price. And no seat selection! And no presales for concerts because you have a certain credit card or code! No benefits to ANYBODY!!!!!
-=-
We're talking Amusement Parks here. They are not as common as airports with multiple vendors and classes to choose from.
This is a public venue where everyone gets the same experience equally. There should be no reason to treat some above others.

Ya snob.
[imageshack.us image 16x16]


Madness!

So should I be able to get the steak for the price of the chicken? Or can I sit on the first base line for the price of the bleachers? What about sleeping in the penthouse for the price of a single?
 
2013-04-26 03:18:59 PM

poot_rootbeer: Universal's not worth the normal $80/day ticket price, much less the $300 VIP package.


One of the things that discourages me is that in the early aughts, a year pass at Universal Orlando was $89.


/and you could buy a 3 day pass at Disney and use days 2 and 3 years later if you wnted.
 
2013-04-26 03:25:52 PM
Business plan for my new theme park:

1) Convince the public that your handful of rides is neat-o, ripping, keen, groovy, or whatever the kids are saying these days: enough to get $80 from each one
2) Take whatever measures are necessary to distract the rubes patrons from noticing that they're spending 20x as much time standing in line than actually riding
3) Provide a $300 "fark-you" option for those who want to ride but don't want the lines
4) Eventually enough people buy the $300 option that none of the low-rollers ever get to ride
5) Eliminate the $80 ticket since it's no good any more
6) PROFIT!
 
2013-04-26 03:39:15 PM

gimlet: Stoker: roughridersfan: Since you don't like people cutting ahead, maybe nobody should be allowed to spend money and reserve plane tickets. Everybody should just wait until they get to the airport and all stand in line. That way nobody can take advantage of discounted seats because all the seats will be the same price. And no seat selection! And no presales for concerts because you have a certain credit card or code! No benefits to ANYBODY!!!!!
-=-
We're talking Amusement Parks here. They are not as common as airports with multiple vendors and classes to choose from.
This is a public venue where everyone gets the same experience equally. There should be no reason to treat some above others.

Ya snob.
[imageshack.us image 16x16]

Madness!

So should I be able to get the steak for the price of the chicken? Or can I sit on the first base line for the price of the bleachers? What about sleeping in the penthouse for the price of a single?


If you get in line first, yes! It's unfair for others to pay more and get better treatment!

Let's extend this to hospitals! Why should a heart attack victim get ahead of the tiny little cut on my finger! I was here first! Why should the heart attack get priority??? If he wanted to be ahead of me, he should have had his heart attack before I cut my finger!

To be serious, an amusement park may be public, but people paid to get into it. They should not be surprised or upset or whatever if somebody else paid more to get better treatment.
 
2013-04-26 03:42:40 PM
I hear the $1000 package offers the option to literally shiat on the waiting customers instead of figuratively.
 
2013-04-26 04:01:48 PM
Yeah, you COULD pay $300 to cut to the front of the line

Or

Go to guest services and explain your condition- Diabetes, Restless Leg Syndrome, ADHD, etc and get one for free.
 
2013-04-26 04:29:44 PM
The craziest thing in this thread for me is reading about people waiting over two hours in line for an amusement park ride.
 
2013-04-26 04:37:03 PM

Vlad_the_Inaner: poot_rootbeer: Universal's not worth the normal $80/day ticket price, much less the $300 VIP package.

One of the things that discourages me is that in the early aughts, a year pass at Universal Orlando was $89.


/and you could buy a 3 day pass at Disney and use days 2 and 3 years later if you wnted.


Actually used a couple of those 1980s tickets about ten years ago. Still had extra days on them, they'd been laying around in my grandmother's house for twenty years since her husband died. They were issued to grandpa by name. My cousin, who was going with me, had the same name as grandpa and was able to use them countersigning with his own name and ID. The staff sure looked at him funny for it, but there was no problem getting in. IIRC the face value was something like $23 or so, but again, this was a decade ago.
 
2013-04-26 05:00:11 PM

kingdd: I'm actually in line at the DMV right now. I'd pay $150 just to get to the front if this line.


Try telling the people in front of you.
 
2013-04-26 05:03:26 PM

markie_farkie: I would gladly pay $300 to have the following people perma-banned from any public setting:

1.  People who congregate in groups in the MIDDLE of a farking walkway, full-well knowing they are blocking traffic.

2.  People who STOP AT THE TOP of a farking escalator, staring off in to space, oblivious to the fact that there are uncontrolled masses of people behind them that can't reverse course.

3.  People who, after standing in line for 15 minutes at a concession stand, with all that time available to review the menus posted every 6 inches, get to the front of the line and then take 10 more minutes to figure out what the fark they want to order.

4.  People who have no contextual awareness of their surroundings, and wander aimlessly, 2 feet in front of you, stopping randomly every 3 feet, and somehow managing to anticipate your every evasive move to get around their stupid farking asses...

/end of rant.


5. People who park shopping carts next to free-standing displays, blocking the aisle entirely, while they consider which brand of BBQ sauce to select.

6. People who erect such displays.
 
2013-04-26 05:09:15 PM
I would say it was worth it if I could afford it.
 
2013-04-26 07:15:48 PM

roughridersfan: To be serious, an amusement park may be public, but people paid to get into it. They should not be surprised or upset or whatever if somebody else paid more to get better treatment.

-=-
I seriously think there should not be an option. You pay enough for parking, going through the door and then for the rides, all to have some schmuck displace you because they have more money than you.

I do not begrudge you from having the nicer things in life, but goddamnit, you don't have to get everything over the rest of the community. Some things need to be fair use when used by so many people for so limited use of rides.
 
2013-04-26 08:06:44 PM

Stoker: roughridersfan: To be serious, an amusement park may be public, but people paid to get into it. They should not be surprised or upset or whatever if somebody else paid more to get better treatment.
-=-
I seriously think there should not be an option. You pay enough for parking, going through the door and then for the rides, all to have some schmuck displace you because they have more money than you.

I do not begrudge you from having the nicer things in life, but goddamnit, you don't have to get everything over the rest of the community. Some things need to be fair use when used by so many people for so limited use of rides.


The park isn't a true community. It's a business. The business owners are allowed to write their own rules for how their customers get treated. They do it because it works for their business model.

If people don't like it, they can take their money to another park. Or, somebody else can build their own park and use the rules you suggest.

Was I a bit miffed when I found out the seating I planned for my boy and me at Lights! Motors! Actions! was for VIPs only? Yeah, a little bit. But, we still got great seats because we hurried up there ahead of other people..

If somebody gets to ride ahead of me because they paid more, good for them. I would love to be in their position in that situation. I'm not offended by it - I aspire to be in that position someday so my son and I don't have to wait. If I work hard enough, maybe I will.
 
2013-04-26 10:02:25 PM
Lets say that 10% of a park's daily revenue comes from VIP ticket purchases, but that represents only 5% of the daily number of visitors.

How many seats per ride is it fair for the park to reserve for VIPs only?
 
2013-04-27 12:17:35 AM

poot_rootbeer: Lets say that 10% of a park's daily revenue comes from VIP ticket purchases, but that represents only 5% of the daily number of visitors.

How many seats per ride is it fair for the park to reserve for VIPs only?


I think the correct answer is "Florida".
 
2013-04-27 12:57:01 AM
Great for the one percenters.
 
2013-04-27 01:12:59 AM

poot_rootbeer: Lets say that 10% of a park's daily revenue comes from VIP ticket purchases, but that represents only 5% of the daily number of visitors.

How many seats per ride is it fair for the park to reserve for VIPs only?


The seats aren't reserved. If a VIP shows up, they get first access to the seats.

You could have 100 or 1,000 or 5,000 people ride before a VIP shows up and cuts in. It could only be two people in a VIP group. Maybe four or five if it's a family. Depending upon the ride, that is nothing because some rides hold a lot of people and, as somebody mentioned, Disney is very efficient at moving people.

It's not about "fair" - if everybody paid the same, then access to the seats could be fair. But, even without VIPs, places like Disney have Fast Passes. Are those "fair"? There are a limited number of Fast Passes available. We had a situation where there were no more of these passes available. I didn't complain because I knew how the system worked.

Even if the Fast Passes were available, would it be "fair" for somebody to use one to cut ahead of somebody that's been waiting 2 hours? Maybe the person who waited didn't know about Fast Passes (I met those people in the park - they were surprised to know about them and were very glad when I told them how they worked, including the limitations). Maybe they forgot to get theirs. Maybe they didn't think they needed one.

Where do we draw the line on what's fair and what's not? Should it be based on who gets to the park first? Are we going to disallow people who stay at the Disney Resorts to have the "Magic" hours (where they can be in the park at certain times when the park is not open to the general public) because the general public should have the same access?

Fair is what the park decides. IT'S THEIR PARK. They make the rules. Until the ledger shows otherwise, the park will continue to run based on whatever rules seem to work for them.

If people stop coming to the park, will Disney cry that it's not fair? No, they'll change their model to bring people back. They're smart people and really care about their customers.

Funny this thread came up because Disney World called me today because of an email I sent them last week. Why the heck would they be calling a shmuck who grew up in small town Saskatchewan? Because I found one minor flaw in their system (when you buy stuff at EPCOT, there are two entrances from where you can pick up your purchases at the end of the day - I wasn't told which one and it caused some confusion at the end of the day, but their Cast Members found out that my stuff was where I wanted it to be). They assured me that they would train their Cast Members to double-check when a similar situation arises in the future.

I have no problems with how a park runs their park. If I did, I wouldn't go back. A place like Disney does an amazing job. I told them I would GLADLY spend more money if they kept the service that allowed you to pick up your purchases at customer service at the end of the day because I wouldn't have to worry about carrying stuff around, or forget to go back and buy something, or not want to go buy something because it would be too far to go (darnit, should have bought my boy that Jiminy Cricket glass!).

I'm not a rich guy. Not even close. If somebody has the money and that allows them some perks, good for them. The park is there to make money, so the people who pay more get better treatment. Such is life.

// Wow, where did the above come from? Feel like I should be on a podium or something.
/// Didn't even get into how Disney lets parents split up if one needs to take care of a child while the other rides, then lets the other one have their turn immediately after.
// Guess I just did.
 
2013-04-27 10:10:39 AM

roughridersfan: f people stop coming to the park, will Disney cry that it's not fair? No, they'll change their model to bring people back. They're smart people and really care about their customers' money.


There we go.
 
2013-04-27 03:27:09 PM

madgonad: 12349876: Go to a seasonal park at the beginning/end of season on a weekday when a lot of the kiddies are in school.  You can basically walk onto the rides.

Those parks aren't open until schools are out. Where do you think they get most of their employees?


I specifically said "a lot" not all.  Kings Island will be open on Friday May 3 and 7 days a week starting May 10.  There will still be lots of kids in school for most of the month of May.  Not all, but a lot.  And none of the shows will be operating, some of the stores and games will be closed, a lot of the rides will be on limited capacity (like fewer trains on coasters) and they can find enough people to work to meet the limited demand despite a lot of schools being in session (remember colleges tend to end a bit earlier than lower level schools).  And you can still get on the rides quickly.
 
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