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(ESPN)   Will all 2013 first round NFL picks please step forward. Not so fast, Manti Te'o   (insider.espn.go.com) divider line 123
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2013-04-26 10:04:27 AM  

Incorrigible Astronaut: His body language last night was all you needed to know about why he fell. I don't remember Rodgers ever slipping into hangdog mode when he slipped.



brady quinn circa 2008 (or whatever) wants some of that.  remember him smirking after every pick?


gamedayr.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com

still having that draft part, Honey Badger?
 
2013-04-26 10:05:31 AM  

smerfnablin: And, whats even more surprising, is that they dont start airing the articles about how he got DESTROYED in the BCS championship game by bigger faster players.


And I still don't understand what the BFD is about that.  Alabama was a much better team and I don't think that should reflect that much on Te'o.  I asked in a thread a week or so ago, but why does Te'o get maligned for not making plays in the NCG while Earl Thomas' much worse NCG effort (he ran away from Bama ballcarriers) didn't affect his draft stock?  I realize that Te'o is higher profile, but one game against a much better team shouldn't affect a prospect that much.
 
2013-04-26 10:06:50 AM  

flak attack: JohnnyRebel88: Arkanaut: That was interesting -- the only QB in the first round is EJ Manuel, of all people? What happened to the Bills' supposed infatuation with Ryan Nassib?

The guy is the size of Cam Newton.  Maybe this is the offensive scheme they are looking to go for?  This was the only logic I could see behind such a decision.  It's the way of the new NFL.

Big Ben has been playing for 9 seasons.  This isn't exactly a revolutionary thing.


Yeah, but he's white so it doesn't count
 
2013-04-26 10:08:53 AM  
Folks in SF must have naked pictures of Jerry with a donkey or underage prostitutes...there is no other explanation for him making such an effed up trade.
 
2013-04-26 10:09:06 AM  

Arkanaut: JohnnyRebel88: It's the way of the new NFL.

I don't know about that -- there's been running QB's going back forever; even in the pass-happy West Coast era there are guys like Elway and Steve Young who were known for their legs as much as their arms.  And in the more recent generation of running QB's, a lot of them couldn't keep up their running ways for very long, and evolved into better passers later into their career. (See McNabb, Donovan; McNair, Steve; Vick, Michael.)  That's probably what we'll see with Cam, Russell Wilson, RGIII, and Kaepernick.


RGIII is already a pretty decent passer:
65.6 Completion percentage, 3200 yards, 20 TDs and 5 INTs with a QB rating of 102.4 as a rookie isn't exactly Tebow passing territory.

And since you mentioned Elway and McNabb, let's check out their rookie passing numbers:

Elway: 47.5%, 1663yds, 7TD 14INT 54.9 Rating (11 games vs RGIII's 15 though)

McNabb: 49.1%, 948yds 8TD 7INT 60.1 Rating (Played in 12 games, only started 6)
 
2013-04-26 10:12:30 AM  

rickythepenguin: Incorrigible Astronaut: His body language last night was all you needed to know about why he fell. I don't remember Rodgers ever slipping into hangdog mode when he slipped.


brady quinn circa 2008 (or whatever) wants some of that.  remember him smirking after every pick?


[gamedayr.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com image 570x569]

still having that draft part, Honey Badger?


Well at least he won't have to worry about that following him around for the rest of his brief career or living on eternally in some kind of online computer community.
 
2013-04-26 10:13:01 AM  

Gonz: I have seen Manti Te'o face NFL-caliber offensive players. It did not go well for him.

It caused Lou Holtz to say "Well, shun of a bisch".


I would not discount the distraction of knowing he was going to be publicly humiliated in the next few days on his performance. There's no way that was him at his best, and it affected the whole defense. Alabama was NOT a great offensive team last year. Very good, yes, but not great like they looked against ND.

That said, there are a lot of college linebackers who are phenomenal in college and can't cut it in the pros, and he very well could be one of them.
 
2013-04-26 10:13:56 AM  
The lengths you Farkers will go to hate fap against someone never ceases to amaze me.
 
2013-04-26 10:15:37 AM  

bsharitt: Lot of offensive linemen in the top 10.


Correct.  Defensive linemen also.  Anyone who understands why some teams (or college conferences) win and others don't should not be surprised by this.  Notice that no running backs were taken in the first round and only one quarterback.  The games are won and lost up front.
 
2013-04-26 10:16:41 AM  

rickythepenguin: Incorrigible Astronaut: His body language last night was all you needed to know about why he fell. I don't remember Rodgers ever slipping into hangdog mode when he slipped.


brady quinn circa 2008 (or whatever) wants some of that.  remember him smirking after every pick?


[gamedayr.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com image 570x569]

still having that draft part, Honey Badger?


Heh, absolutely. All the more fuel to that fire. Is that invite real? It can't be real... can it?
 
2013-04-26 10:23:11 AM  
He was drafted first in the fantasy league however.
 
2013-04-26 10:27:11 AM  
I wonder if teams are worried that if they drafted Teo and let him use the internet, Belichick would pretend to be a cancer-ridden model/actress/med student and convince him to spill all he knows about his team's game prep.
 
2013-04-26 10:30:37 AM  

rickythepenguin: Incorrigible Astronaut: His body language last night was all you needed to know about why he fell. I don't remember Rodgers ever slipping into hangdog mode when he slipped.


brady quinn circa 2008 (or whatever) wants some of that.  remember him smirking after every pick?


[gamedayr.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com image 570x569]

still having that draft part, Honey Badger?


The invitation doesn't list an end time for that party.  Knowing him, it's probably still going, just need to scratch off that "1st".
 
2013-04-26 10:35:58 AM  
Hubby and I were so sick of Teo being mentioned I was almost ready to turn the whole round 1 draft into a damn drinking game. Sheesh!

Oh well, there's always round 2 for a drinking game...

BTW, I am very pleased with the Saints pick. Just saying :)
 
2013-04-26 10:43:52 AM  
great.  now all we are gonna hear is that he's 'playing with a chip on his shoulder.'
nfl announcers love that phrase.
 
2013-04-26 10:44:49 AM  
I actually watched the NFL network interview with T'eo before the draft started. I wanted to find a way to like and root for this kid, but I just can't get past his stupidity.
 
2013-04-26 10:46:00 AM  

CipollinaFan: Incorrigible Astronaut: abhorrent1: LMAO at Gino Smith. He's gonna be a PITA to whoever drafts him.

His body language last night was all you needed to know about why he fell. I don't remember Rodgers ever slipping into hangdog mode when he slipped.

And now he is not going to even show up tonight.
What a good way to show your potential employers how you handle adversity.


That's changed. He was apparently so confident he was going in the 1st he already had a flight booked and that's why he said he wasn't coming back. He changed his flight and will be there according to Ian Rapoport.

Still though, he seems like a huge douche
 
2013-04-26 10:49:02 AM  

flak attack: JohnnyRebel88: Arkanaut: That was interesting -- the only QB in the first round is EJ Manuel, of all people? What happened to the Bills' supposed infatuation with Ryan Nassib?

The guy is the size of Cam Newton.  Maybe this is the offensive scheme they are looking to go for?  This was the only logic I could see behind such a decision.

Big Ben has been playing for 9 seasons.  This isn't exactly a revolutionary thing.


I was saying they probably saw a Cam Newton-type QB.  Look what the 49ers and Seattle did with rookie QB's last year.  Kolb will probably go down this year at some point, so I guess we will see how they use them.  It's like Moneyball, once the model is built, other will attempt to follow.

As for Big Ben, if you think that the Steelers have a chance,to win again with him, I would have to disagree.  He is an injury prone, aging QB.  Owners are looking for a Chip Kelly type offense.

Big Ben is not fast at all.  He is an oaf.
 
2013-04-26 10:53:36 AM  
You think real women are expensive? Teos fake girlfriend has cost him millions.
 
2013-04-26 11:00:59 AM  
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Stupidly left my camera at home today instead of bringing it to work to upload. I got a lot of crowd shots and pictures of the attractions, but you'll all have to settle for the few shots I snapped from my phone.
 
2013-04-26 11:01:28 AM  
I would really like to know what the world is like in Phil Emery's head. McClellin was curious last year, but at least he was rated as first round talent, even though he fits the Bears like high heels on Shaq.

But why Kyle Long? Nobody who picked after Chicago was going to take him at least until day 2, and there were better players at other positions of need on the board. I hope he works out, like I hope McClellin and Jeffery work out, but right now it looks like the Bears exchanged Angelo's tendency to draft pre-injured players for Emery's odd fascination with white guys from out west.
 
2013-04-26 11:07:52 AM  

Treygreen13: Stupidly left my camera at home today instead of bringing it to work to upload. I got a lot of crowd shots and pictures of the attractions, but you'll all have to settle for the few shots I snapped from my phone.


We need to see the drunken sloot you said no to.

/found your posts informative and entertaining
 
2013-04-26 11:08:44 AM  

LucklessWonder: Arkanaut: JohnnyRebel88: It's the way of the new NFL.

I don't know about that -- there's been running QB's going back forever; even in the pass-happy West Coast era there are guys like Elway and Steve Young who were known for their legs as much as their arms.  And in the more recent generation of running QB's, a lot of them couldn't keep up their running ways for very long, and evolved into better passers later into their career. (See McNabb, Donovan; McNair, Steve; Vick, Michael.)  That's probably what we'll see with Cam, Russell Wilson, RGIII, and Kaepernick.

RGIII is already a pretty decent passer:
65.6 Completion percentage, 3200 yards, 20 TDs and 5 INTs with a QB rating of 102.4 as a rookie isn't exactly Tebow passing territory.

And since you mentioned Elway and McNabb, let's check out their rookie passing numbers:

Elway: 47.5%, 1663yds, 7TD 14INT 54.9 Rating (11 games vs RGIII's 15 though)

McNabb: 49.1%, 948yds 8TD 7INT 60.1 Rating (Played in 12 games, only started 6)


Meaningless comparison. You are comparing 3 distinct and very different 'eras' of the NFL. QBs coming into the league today are much more 'NFL ready' than they have ever been in NFL history. And Elway was not a 'running' QB, he had good feet and mobility, but it a very different way than an RGIII.
 
2013-04-26 11:08:53 AM  

Jim from Saint Paul: The lengths you Farkers will go to hate fap against someone never ceases to amaze me.


I wish no ill upon Te'o.  He's a fool for that fake GF debacle, but I don't care either way if he was picked high or low unless it was by my team.  I'm more amused by the ESPN hype train (for him and Geno Smith) crashing worse than the Montparnasse derailment.  They need to perform real analysis, not sit around and hype the next marketable 'star'.
 
2013-04-26 11:09:45 AM  

Gonz: I have seen Manti Te'o face NFL-caliber offensive players. It did not go well for him.

It caused Lou Holtz to say "Well, shun of a bisch".


Te'o is good when operating in space and has good hands for a linebacker, which shows some potential ability as a coverage linebacker.  However whenever there is a running play and some center or pulling guard picks him off, he can't release to save his life and ends up eating turf.  He'll get drafted, but in a later round.  No one is going to spend a prime pick for a guy who projects to coverage package linebacker and perhaps kick coverage team.  Plus odds are the whole fake girlfriend will drop him some spots as well.  There are plenty of other coverage linebackers out there who were intelligent enough to stay away from the kind of mess Te'o got himself in, I'd draft one of them first.
 
2013-04-26 11:10:34 AM  
Incorrigible astronaut

Yes it is real but I think tyrann's explanation was that the party was scheduled by his friends and family without his approval. But true or not it just looks bad.
 
2013-04-26 11:10:39 AM  
As usual all the talk about which teams were gonna take who was all speculation by ESPN talking heads.  The NFL teams smoke screen all of it and wait to see who in the media bites on what.  The Bills had everyone fooled into Nassib, Smith and Barkley at some point.  They obviously wanted Manuel all along and got an extra pick from the Rams by playing that smoke screen well.

This will all mean nothing if Manuel sucks and Nassib goes somewhere else and plays well.   In the end, they are all unproven players with zero professional experience.  It's all a big guess based on lots of different factors - some measurable, some not.
 
2013-04-26 11:11:32 AM  

js34603: Man ESPN was farking annoying with their Manti Watch last night. "We're in Manti Range now"..."we'll Baltimore definitely needs a LB"..."why didnt anyone draft Te'o?".

Talk about over hyped draft picks. ESPN might explode of the Jets draft him. Tebow can use his pretend throwing skills to toss it to Te'o's pretend girlfriend and ESPN will wet their pants.


Hell the pre-draft they were going on about how Manti could be the successor to Ray Lewis, yeah, um, no, he's too friggin slow.
 
2013-04-26 11:17:04 AM  
Where's Mathieu expected to go?  The Niners need more secondary help.  Trading up for a safety isn't enough.  But I don't know the draft well enough to know if Mathieu's the guy to take with the 2nd pick of the 2nd round.  An o-lineman would be nice, but given how many have been taken that position might be thin.  Could use a receiver as well.
 
2013-04-26 11:18:00 AM  
Geno Smith waited until there was literally no chance he was being picked to decide he was going to enjoy the rest of the draft at home instead of waiting around doing nothing for hours and hours again.  SOMEHOW THAT MEANS HE'S A FAILURE AND A QUITTER

I mean shiat when Brady Quinn started disappearing after five picks people were "what a poor guy falling so far", but to Geno Smith it's "hahaha what a whiny loser".  I hate people some times.
 
2013-04-26 11:19:51 AM  

thecpt: Treygreen13: Stupidly left my camera at home today instead of bringing it to work to upload. I got a lot of crowd shots and pictures of the attractions, but you'll all have to settle for the few shots I snapped from my phone.

We need to see the drunken sloot you said no to.

/found your posts informative and entertaining


I didn't take a picture of her. She probably wanted someone to though.

And thanks, I didn't know if I was just being annoying or informative. When I went out there I imagined I'd have great access to the local sports guys and the war room feed talking with a small group of educated fans, but instead it was about 5,000 Cowboys fans standing shoulder to shoulder listening to UNCE UNCE UNCE because the Cowboys dance team was doing tryouts or something. I had to stand right in front of the local sports guys broadcast area to even hear them, and eventually I gave up on it because I looked goofy standing there listening to radio holding a Miller Lite. So back to Fark and live-farking my misadventures with the stragglers that stuck around for the Cowboys picks.

I gotta say I haven't seen a place clear out like the Cowboys draft party did when they traded down. It was like somebody let go of the end of a silver and blue balloon animal. The remaining fans were pretty hardcore fans - although the girl who asked me if I'd fark her asked me who my favorite player was and looked at me like I was from Mars when I said "L. P. Ladouceur".
 
2013-04-26 11:22:59 AM  

Ow! That was my feelings!: LucklessWonder: Arkanaut: JohnnyRebel88: It's the way of the new NFL.

I don't know about that -- there's been running QB's going back forever; even in the pass-happy West Coast era there are guys like Elway and Steve Young who were known for their legs as much as their arms.  And in the more recent generation of running QB's, a lot of them couldn't keep up their running ways for very long, and evolved into better passers later into their career. (See McNabb, Donovan; McNair, Steve; Vick, Michael.)  That's probably what we'll see with Cam, Russell Wilson, RGIII, and Kaepernick.

RGIII is already a pretty decent passer:
65.6 Completion percentage, 3200 yards, 20 TDs and 5 INTs with a QB rating of 102.4 as a rookie isn't exactly Tebow passing territory.

And since you mentioned Elway and McNabb, let's check out their rookie passing numbers:

Elway: 47.5%, 1663yds, 7TD 14INT 54.9 Rating (11 games vs RGIII's 15 though)

McNabb: 49.1%, 948yds 8TD 7INT 60.1 Rating (Played in 12 games, only started 6)

Meaningless comparison. You are comparing 3 distinct and very different 'eras' of the NFL. QBs coming into the league today are much more 'NFL ready' than they have ever been in NFL history. And Elway was not a 'running' QB, he had good feet and mobility, but it a very different way than an RGIII.


We get it - Elway is white.

/kidding
 
2013-04-26 11:25:18 AM  

Sargun: I mean shiat when Brady Quinn started disappearing after five picks


That turd sat patiently and waited to be chosen, and then answered questions on why he fell so far from the media the same night.  Put your card away.
 
2013-04-26 11:26:16 AM  
Teo to the Jets.  Tebow and Teo fall for each other.  Tebow forsakes Jesus and becomes the Antichrist.
 
2013-04-26 11:26:47 AM  

thecpt: LucklessWonder: Hey,college football watchers, are there any respectable safeties or corners that might still be available when the Redskins pick at 54?

Honey badger? I don't care, I still want him on my team. Would make an okay nickel back. Unlike actual nickleback


I'm hopeful that he will still be on the board when the Browns pick at 68.  Doubtful, but still... maybe.  First round talent, no doubt.
 
2013-04-26 11:28:05 AM  
Aaron Rodgers: green room.
Brady Quinn: cry room.
Geno Smith: hotel room.

If he was still on my board, this is about where he gets yanked off.
 
2013-04-26 11:28:11 AM  

Treygreen13: I gotta say I haven't seen a place clear out like the Cowboys draft party did when they traded down. It was like somebody let go of the end of a silver and blue balloon animal.


pbs.twimg.com
 
2013-04-26 11:41:39 AM  

elguerodiablo: Teo to the Jets.  Tebow and Teo fall for each other.  Tebow forsakes Jesus and becomes the Antichrist.


It is known.
 
2013-04-26 11:47:33 AM  

Incorrigible Astronaut: Heh, absolutely. All the more fuel to that fire. Is that invite real? It can't be real... can it?


It's real, but apparently they printed it like a year and a half ago. It's not as serious as the internet wishes it were.
 
2013-04-26 11:49:09 AM  
I can't stand Adam Schefter and was particularly gratified by his shiatty performance last night, capped off by his asertion that T'eo was going to the Vikes.
 
2013-04-26 11:53:44 AM  

scraping-fetus-off-the-wheel: I kind of felt bad for Gino Smith, but he believed the hype. And he's ugly. Damn that kid is ugly.


I can't look at him without seeing Giant flashing sign over his head that says "Rayn Leaf Part II"  (or even because I'm old "Heath Ledger"

but the Teo thing is suprising.  the man was a legit on field beast, a defensive player in the running for a Heisman, and ALL defenders are head cases, so what's the issue?
 
2013-04-26 11:53:46 AM  
The Titans made the boring but necessary pick. We've gotta build or offensive and defensive lines
 
2013-04-26 11:55:49 AM  

Incorrigible Astronaut: abhorrent1: LMAO at Gino Smith. He's gonna be a PITA to whoever drafts him.

His body language last night was all you needed to know about why he fell. I don't remember Rodgers ever slipping into hangdog mode when he slipped.


I haven't been following the drafts so I didn't get to see any of their reactions.  Anyone have a link to some reaction videos?
 
2013-04-26 12:00:27 PM  

johnny_vegas: I can't stand Adam Schefter and was particularly gratified by his shiatty performance last night, capped off by his asertion that T'eo was going to the Vikes.


Schefter and Kiper are the poster boys for douchenozzle analysts that never played the game but suddenly become experts
 
2013-04-26 12:03:49 PM  

PsyLord: Incorrigible Astronaut: abhorrent1: LMAO at Gino Smith. He's gonna be a PITA to whoever drafts him.

His body language last night was all you needed to know about why he fell. I don't remember Rodgers ever slipping into hangdog mode when he slipped.

I haven't been following the drafts so I didn't get to see any of their reactions.  Anyone have a link to some reaction videos?


The best reaction is not on camera, he packed up and went home skipping the rest of the draft.
 
2013-04-26 12:04:53 PM  
Teo is nothing special, he was riding the hype wave all year, then everything blew up in his face. The BCS National Championship showed Notre Dame to be a medicore team with a somewhat creampuff schedule, and they got lucky, really lucky. I didn't think they should be in the NC, but they got there, and an SEC team put them in their place. During the game, Teo was a non-entity on the field and a distraction off the field. He'll be this year's Tebow, but without the inflated draft pick, the entire league learned their lesson with Tebow. He'll be lucky to be a 4th rounder at this point.

Geno is a stereotypical sore winner. He's been successful and everything has been handed to him, now his draft prospect is falling and he's all but hurt about it. Yes, it can be embarrassing, but part of being a National Sports Personality is how you handle yourself in adversity. I simply point to Vince Young as proof of how NOT to act. If he doesn't get an attitude change, he'll be the next VY in the league, and believe me, we need people like VY to point and laugh at. And, that's not the worst case scenario, because we still need Ja'Marcus Russell's and Ryan Leaf's joining the league, too.

Honey Badger. Hahahaha. Undersized safety with drug, alcohol and personality isues that spent the last year out of football and finding God.... then throws a Draft Party?!?!? He's just not learning, or at least has the cognitive dissonance to not understand why this is such a bad idea. I'm merely hoping that's an internet meme and not a real thing, otherwise he may not even get an invite to workout with teams after not being drafted. Think Marcus Vick without the prototypical body or mindset. Tyrann Mathieu is a hot mess, even after spending a year getting his head right (which obviously didn't work if he's throwing a party), and should just get used to delivering Pizza's or busting suds in a kitchen somewhere because he doesn't have the personality to really achieve anything, and given his dropout status, he has no degree.
 
2013-04-26 12:07:26 PM  

ha-ha-guy: Gonz: I have seen Manti Te'o face NFL-caliber offensive players. It did not go well for him.

It caused Lou Holtz to say "Well, shun of a bisch".

Te'o is good when operating in space and has good hands for a linebacker, which shows some potential ability as a coverage linebacker.  However whenever there is a running play and some center or pulling guard picks him off, he can't release to save his life and ends up eating turf.  He'll get drafted, but in a later round.  No one is going to spend a prime pick for a guy who projects to coverage package linebacker and perhaps kick coverage team.  Plus odds are the whole fake girlfriend will drop him some spots as well.  There are plenty of other coverage linebackers out there who were intelligent enough to stay away from the kind of mess Te'o got himself in, I'd draft one of them first.


A coverage lb with a 4.8 40 isn't someone I want my team to draft.
 
2013-04-26 12:09:22 PM  
Man, by the time they get around to those picks it's damn near midnight EDT. Obviously the last four teams aren't picking a QB with their picks - why stick around? Stupid people make situations out of anything.

/don't even like Smith
 
2013-04-26 12:12:38 PM  

KingsleyZisou: A coverage lb with a 4.8 40 isn't someone I want my team to draft.


He definitely sucked ass at the combine, but I don't think that one data point is indicative of his speed.

/Michigan alum, so I have no issue seeing a Domer suffer
//kid will still manage to draw a NFL paycheck for at least a couple of years though
 
2013-04-26 12:14:00 PM  

T-Boy: bsharitt: Lot of offensive linemen in the top 10.

Correct.  Defensive linemen also.  Anyone who understands why some teams (or college conferences) win and others don't should not be surprised by this.  Notice that no running backs were taken in the first round and only one quarterback.  The games are won and lost up front.


Except when your team is Green Bay.
 
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