Notabunny: Meh. One of my friends is an illegal immigrant. He's 50yo, and he was brought here by his parents when he was 3. He served in the Army, he has his own business, he owns two houses, and he put his kids through college. I think the US could survive his serving on a jury.
cman: The only slight concern I have is with the cultural background of these immigrants.What we see as justice and morality is probably not the same as a lot of countries in the world.For example: having a Saudi Arabian man sitting on a case about gender discrimination probably isnt the best idea.
skozlaw: nocturnal001: make a mistakeYea. You "mistakenly" assumed they were illegals because you only skimmed the article that included no such phrasing but managed to miss the first sentence that said exactly the opposite.Yea.... a totally honest and reasonable "mistake"...nocturnal001: [stuff meant to sound compelling]So, basically, you choose to be ignorant despite your own experience?I don't really know what right or left has to do with this, though. The fundamental problem isn't your politics, it's that you decided to make a fundamentally wrong assumption based on personal bias despite the first farking line of the damn article saying exactly the opposite of what you wanted to believe and then got pissy with OTHER people when you got called on it.As for "generalizing" about you flyovers, I'll stop doing it when you stop proving so consistently that the generalities are generally correct.
skozlaw: TrollingForColumbine: could only be misinterpreted by the willfully ignorant or trollHe lives in the midwest. He lacks experience with foreigners so in his tiny little world "non-citizen" probably does reliably equate to "illegal alien" most of the time.It really reminds me how amazing it is when flyover people act all shocked and annoyed that left and right coasters so often view them as ignorant, cornfed hicks, though. I routinely work with people on H1-B, B, and F visas so at any given time odds are pretty good I'm in direct contact with at least one or two people who are in the country legally but are not citizens. Yet, because he lacks this experience, he forms his opinion based on ignorance and feels compelled to expound upon it from this position of ignorance.Basically, because he lacks information, he feels justified in making wild, untrue assumptions, forming a foolish opinion based on those assumptions and then gets defensive when called on it like he's not the one saying stupid things.
skozlaw: nocturnal001: Suck it. Reading non-citizen as "illegal" is a reasonable mistake.No, it's not.It's bad enough you just arbitrarily formed an opinion based on your personal bias, but you couldn't even be bothered to read one short farking sentence before blurting it out?I'd like to invite you to "suck it". And not waste anybody else's time by sharing your ignorant thoughts on the matter again since you've rather decisively proven that they're "thoughts" in name only.
odinsposse: loser0: They're here to do the jobs you don't want to do!/can't believe no one has brought this up yetAt 7.7% unemployment I highly doubt there are any jobs that nobody wants to do. There are just employers that would rather exploit slave labor than pay legal workers what they are worth.
propasaurus: ...allow non-citizens who are in the country legally to serve on jury duty... It does not change other criteria for being eligible to serve on a jury, such as being at least 18, living in the county that is making the summons, and being proficient in English... they noted that there is no citizenship requirement to be an attorney or a judge.What's the problem?
ArcadianRefugee: Notabunny: Meh. One of my friends is an illegal immigrant. He's 50yo, and he was brought here by his parents when he was 3. He served in the Army, he has his own business, he owns two houses, and he put his kids through college. I think the US could survive his serving on a jury.In my book, serving this country in such a way should be a fast track to citizenship.
thisispete: ArcadianRefugee: In my book, serving this country in such a way should be a fast track to citizenship.Would you like to know more?I thought jury pools were selected at random from voter registers. Does California use some other source?
borg: Notabunny: Meh. One of my friends is an illegal immigrant. He's 50yo, and he was brought here by his parents when he was 3. He served in the Army, he has his own business, he owns two houses, and he put his kids through college. I think the US could survive his serving on a jury.I think you're lying because he would have taken care of it in 1986 either that or he's really stupid.
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