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(Jalopnik)   "Whether the cops in your town patrol in Crown Victorias, Ford Tauruses, or Dodge Challengers, make no mistake: the Seattle Police Department has them beat"   (jalopnik.com) divider line 120
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2013-04-26 08:19:59 AM

praymantis: Tom_Slick: praymantis: Not even sure why cops are driving V8's still, with the price of gas they should all be driving a Ford Focus or some other 4 cylinder with much better gas mileage. I live in NY and it makes me crazy to see one cop on the NYS Thruway in a Suburban. They are wasting tax payers money and it needs to stop, and I am serious not trolling, it really is a pet peeve of mine.

Big issue is size, a Focus couldn't hold their equipment let alone have room for a perp in the back.

Does not have to be a Focus but there must be something out there better than a Suburban and a Crown Vic., especially for town or city cops. 13-15 MPG is a complete waste.


They do, Dodge will sell you a V6 Charger, Ford has an Ecoboost option in the new Taurus.

/The reason the Crown Vic hung around so long was cost, it costs a lot of money to outfit a car and switching to a new model means you have to buy all new stuff.
 
2013-04-26 08:20:12 AM
WTF is with all the retarded little widgety knick knacks on that page?

The Muthaship: My V6 Nissan gets 24mpg and will outrun your choice of current cop cars with considerable ease.


They don't drive them because they're fast. They don't have to be fast, they have radios. They drive them because they're roomy, durable and easy to fix.
 
2013-04-26 08:20:57 AM

skozlaw: They don't have to be fast, they have radios. They drive them because they're roomy, durable and easy to fix.


I agree.  I was just messing around.
 
2013-04-26 08:21:49 AM

bring to a festering boil: "Fix the lighter."


*twitch*

/I have to believe you did that on purpose
 
2013-04-26 08:23:56 AM

praymantis: Tom_Slick: praymantis: Not even sure why cops are driving V8's still, with the price of gas they should all be driving a Ford Focus or some other 4 cylinder with much better gas mileage. I live in NY and it makes me crazy to see one cop on the NYS Thruway in a Suburban. They are wasting tax payers money and it needs to stop, and I am serious not trolling, it really is a pet peeve of mine.

Big issue is size, a Focus couldn't hold their equipment let alone have room for a perp in the back.

Does not have to be a Focus but there must be something out there better than a Suburban and a Crown Vic., especially for town or city cops. 13-15 MPG is a complete waste.



Crown Vics have a much lower center of gravity then SUVs and are good for employing the pit maneuver, in the event it would be necessary.  They are also very heavy; you most likely couldn't pit another large heavy car using a Focus, etc.
 
2013-04-26 08:24:52 AM

Tat'dGreaser: praymantis: Not even sure why cops are driving V8's still, with the price of gas they should all be driving a Ford Focus or some other 4 cylinder with much better gas mileage. I live in NY and it makes me crazy to see one cop on the NYS Thruway in a Suburban. They are wasting tax payers money and it needs to stop, and I am serious not trolling, it really is a pet peeve of mine.

Ummm you don't understand why police cruisers need speed to catch up to people speeding...........?




Then WTF are all the cameras for?
 
2013-04-26 08:25:54 AM
I had a crown vic, it averaged 24mpg with the 4.6 liter V-8.  They're not that bad on gas for a full size car.  A Focus or whatever, without significant mods, can't take the beating that most cops would subject it to - thats why the front drive Chevy Impala and Dodge Intrepid cruisers didn't stick around long, outside of quiet, sleepy, towns.

csb time -
I actually have a 1976 Plymouth Gran Fury that's an ex Florida Highway Patrol that I'm in the process of restoring to its original patrol specs.  Its got the 440 Hi-Po engine, heavy duty suspension and brakes, and a "Sure-Grip" limited slip rear diff.  Its not quite as insane on power as the 71/72 models were, but its still quite a potent ride for such a large car, doing 0-60 in around six seconds today, even with the well worn and not-yet-rebuilt original engine, and its said that the top speed was somewhere over 130mph.  The 70s were a dark time for performance, but to put it in perspective, that puts this giant land yacht on par in acceleration with the corvettes of its same year.
 
2013-04-26 08:26:31 AM

StoPPeRmobile: Tat'dGreaser: praymantis: Not even sure why cops are driving V8's still, with the price of gas they should all be driving a Ford Focus or some other 4 cylinder with much better gas mileage. I live in NY and it makes me crazy to see one cop on the NYS Thruway in a Suburban. They are wasting tax payers money and it needs to stop, and I am serious not trolling, it really is a pet peeve of mine.

Ummm you don't understand why police cruisers need speed to catch up to people speeding...........?

Then WTF are all the cameras for?


I think he/she meant:  fleeing a robbery, etc.
 
2013-04-26 08:31:05 AM

praymantis: You don't need a V8 that gets 13 MPG for that there are plenty of 4 cylinder cars that can do that, things like turbo. It is evident that for sometime you can use a smaller engine and still get the performance when you need it. In addition 99.9% of the time when the lights are flashing people pull over.


How much do those cost? What's the MPG for that? Do you also know that everything they buy has to be awarded to the lowest bidder? That means they'd have to find someone willing to make all of that at a low cost, someone who can maintain that at a low cost and then swap everything over which would then include training everyone on this which also costs money.

Malacon: I'm all for cop cars having large engines, but I gotta agree with praymantis on the SUV front. I don't understand why they'd drive one of those. I see them in the suburbs as well. Depending on the area I understand why, but highway patrol? I don't get it.


It snows in NY, pickup trucks aren't a good option with the gear they have. Also those suburbans could be K9 units.
 
2013-04-26 08:32:12 AM
Malacon:
I'm all for cop cars having large engines, but I gotta agree with praymantis on the SUV front. I don't understand why they'd drive one of those. I see them in the suburbs as well. Depending on the area I understand why, but highway patrol? I don't get it.

K9 Units
Multiple arrest
Extra Carrying Capacity
 - Extra equipment for stand offs (shields, body armor, etc.)
 - Confiscated goods
 - Towing (Boat, Snowmobile, Radar Sign, etc)

They don't just let them sit and rot when not on routine patrol.
They include them in patrol to have them rolling and being used.
 
2013-04-26 08:35:24 AM
Do they have a full tank of gas? Half a pack of cigarettes? Is it dark? Are they wearing sunglasses?

Hit it.
 
2013-04-26 08:48:36 AM

knownzero: I'm confused. Subby obviously has good taste in cars pointing out the car in the article but doesn't know the difference between a Challenger and a Charger? Poor confused subby.

/yes, Challenger cop cars exist
//just like Corvette cop cars exist
///not for real service


These days there isnt a huge amount of differences apart from the body. Both are based on the same chassis & suspension, engine and transmission options are identical. Just pick 2 or 4 doors.
 
2013-04-26 08:51:31 AM

Tat'dGreaser: It snows in NY, pickup trucks aren't a good option with the gear they have. Also those suburbans could be K9 units.


BHShaman: K9 Units
Multiple arrest
Extra Carrying Capacity
- Extra equipment for stand offs (shields, body armor, etc.)
- Confiscated goods
- Towing (Boat, Snowmobile, Radar Sign, etc)

They don't just let them sit and rot when not on routine patrol.
They include them in patrol to have them rolling and being used.



As I mentioned in my original post, I understand the use of them for some purposes, but not highway patrol.

I'm specifically talking about SUV's marked "Highway Patrol" or on the NYS Thruway, both parked on the side of the road in a cop hidey hole with a radar detector hanging out of the window.
 
2013-04-26 08:51:43 AM
Seattle must have all of their financial issues in 100% order.

"Today it's part of the Seattle Metropolitan Police Museum fleet, which includes a number of classic Mopar vehicles that have been restored for area law enforcement agencies."

I never wanna hear Seattle say they can't afford a single god damn thing.
 
2013-04-26 08:52:18 AM

Malacon: As I mentioned in my original post, I understand the use of them for some purposes, but not highway patrol.

I'm specifically talking about SUV's marked "Highway Patrol" or on the NYS Thruway, both parked on the side of the road in a cop hidey hole with a radar detector hanging out of the window.


Well they already have them so why not use them if they need extra bodies out there?
 
2013-04-26 08:53:45 AM

Kurmudgeon: MisterTweak: I'm betting on it having a 318

Pic in the article shows a 383 with the HP air cleaner. So it's basically a 4 door Roadrunner.


Yep, 383.  And Road Runner is two words.

When I was younger, there was a guy in town that had a brand new Road Runner Superbird.   To that point, it was the coolest car I had ever seen.  Since then, I have always wanted one.
 
2013-04-26 08:55:26 AM
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2013-04-26 08:56:00 AM

Malacon: Tat'dGreaser: It snows in NY, pickup trucks aren't a good option with the gear they have. Also those suburbans could be K9 units.

BHShaman: K9 Units
Multiple arrest
Extra Carrying Capacity
- Extra equipment for stand offs (shields, body armor, etc.)
- Confiscated goods
- Towing (Boat, Snowmobile, Radar Sign, etc)

They don't just let them sit and rot when not on routine patrol.
They include them in patrol to have them rolling and being used.


As I mentioned in my original post, I understand the use of them for some purposes, but not highway patrol.

I'm specifically talking about SUV's marked "Highway Patrol" or on the NYS Thruway, both parked on the side of the road in a cop hidey hole with a radar detector hanging out of the window.


The Ohio HP SUV's I've seen also double as motor carrier enforcement. So they are carrying equipment inside them to inspect big rigs as well as other items.
 
2013-04-26 08:57:56 AM

jayphat: The Ohio HP SUV's I've seen also double as motor carrier enforcement


Factually, motor carrier enforcement is about all they do with their SUVs
 
2013-04-26 09:04:39 AM

The Muthaship: jayphat: The Ohio HP SUV's I've seen also double as motor carrier enforcement

Factually, motor carrier enforcement is about all they do with their SUVs


This is Fark. You get your facts outta here!
 
2013-04-26 09:14:23 AM
A lot of the small town and patrol vehicles today, at least the Dodge Chargers, actually have the V-6.  Its still a decently potent engine, and gets much better fuel mileage.  I know in the city of Tyrone, GA, that's what they did.  They'd replaced most of their Crown Vics with V-6 chargers, but they also had one or two with the Hemi V-8 for interceptor/pursuit only use on the stretch of highway that went thru their jurisdiction.  They were all painted identical and did not have the "HEMI" badge, so you never knew what you were gonna get.

Back in the day, I know a lot of the NYPD city patrol cars actually had the little 225 cube slant-6 engine.  They needed the larger, tough, durable, car, but they were almost never used for pursuit or run at highway speeds and the slant six was fuel thrifty and damn near indestructable.  Usually it was only the highway patrols and cars planned for likely high speed/pursuit use that were equipped with the B/RB engines like the 383 and 400.  Most city patrol cars usually had the much more thrifty (but still pretty potent) 318 V-8.

/big time Mopar nerd, specializing in vintage emergency vehicles
 
2013-04-26 09:14:58 AM

reillan: [24.media.tumblr.com image 500x646]


Now that was a funny show.
 
2013-04-26 09:24:37 AM
evanweber.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-04-26 09:29:25 AM
She drove a Plymouth Satellite, it must have gone the speed of light.
 
2013-04-26 09:34:09 AM

Tom_Slick: praymantis: Tom_Slick: praymantis: Not even sure why cops are driving V8's still, with the price of gas they should all be driving a Ford Focus or some other 4 cylinder with much better gas mileage. I live in NY and it makes me crazy to see one cop on the NYS Thruway in a Suburban. They are wasting tax payers money and it needs to stop, and I am serious not trolling, it really is a pet peeve of mine.

Big issue is size, a Focus couldn't hold their equipment let alone have room for a perp in the back.

Does not have to be a Focus but there must be something out there better than a Suburban and a Crown Vic., especially for town or city cops. 13-15 MPG is a complete waste.

They do, Dodge will sell you a V6 Charger, Ford has an Ecoboost option in the new Taurus.

/The reason the Crown Vic hung around so long was cost, it costs a lot of money to outfit a car and switching to a new model means you have to buy all new stuff.


The Vic has been around for so long, with so few changes, that there is a parts backlog that makes replacement parts cheap.  And the car is easy to maintain.

Also the Crown Vic Police Interceptor is a durable car.  Body-on-frame construction.  There's a reason that half the cabs in service are retired Interceptors, many with well over 200K on the odo.

The trunk is cavernous.  I've spoken to officers who drive the Charger and the new Ford Interceptor, and the complaint I've heard is the same:  "Not enough space for the gear."

So there are a lot of reasons the Vic is/was a good car for the purpose.  Fuel efficiency finally killed it.  I'm looking forward to seeing the new Chevy Caprice, it looks just about right.

/ drives a Vic
// not a cop, just likes the cars
 
2013-04-26 09:36:19 AM
My department is starting to transition away from Crown Vics. My assigned car has 100k+ on the odo and already has a new motor. Now the tranny's slipping. We have a few new Impala's- horrible choice for a police car. Looks like a rental car with police lights and stickers on it. Front wheel drive oversteer, shiatty front seats.

Word is that we're getting Ford's new Police Interceptor purpose-built cars. Hopefully I'll be getting one of those...
 
2013-04-26 09:37:14 AM

Pssh.  Amateurs.


Anybody can find an old Dodge.  Here's a real head turner and the story behind it.


www.sspcentral.com


www.sspcentral.com


sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net

 
2013-04-26 09:42:39 AM
www.gq.com

Being it's Seattle, I'm sure its being driven by some hipster cops
 
2013-04-26 09:44:20 AM

JustGetItRight: Pssh.  Amateurs.
Anybody can find an old Dodge.  Here's a real head turner and the story behind it.
[www.sspcentral.com image 500x333]
[www.sspcentral.com image 500x289]
[sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net image 720x480]


Very cool, but I never did like the look of those.
 
2013-04-26 09:55:25 AM
 
2013-04-26 09:58:58 AM

phlegmmo: It's got a cop motor, a 440 cubic inch plant, it's got cop tires, cop suspensions, cop shocks. It's a model made before catalytic converters so it'll run good on regular gas.


What happened to the Blues Mobile? You know, the Caddy?
 
2013-04-26 10:04:26 AM

Tat'dGreaser: praymantis: Not even sure why cops are driving V8's still, with the price of gas they should all be driving a Ford Focus or some other 4 cylinder with much better gas mileage. I live in NY and it makes me crazy to see one cop on the NYS Thruway in a Suburban. They are wasting tax payers money and it needs to stop, and I am serious not trolling, it really is a pet peeve of mine.

Ummm you don't understand why police cruisers need speed to catch up to people speeding...........?


They don't.  A 4 or 6 cylinder car can reach high speeds just not as fast.   They should have no problem catching speeders.  I'm told that radios make it impossible to escape by running, so they don't need it for that.
 
2013-04-26 10:08:05 AM
I'm specifically talking about SUV's marked "Highway Patrol" or on the NYS Thruway, both parked on the side of the road in a cop hidey hole with a radar detector hanging out of the window.

In MN the SUVs are used by the State Patrol Commercial Vehicle Inspectors and Crash Reconstruction Officers and they occasionally write out a ticket or two on their way to and from.
 
2013-04-26 10:18:51 AM
Does anyone have a fully restored lipstick red 1976 Ford T'bird  with white vinyl top that they want to give me?
 
2013-04-26 10:32:51 AM
It's the last of the V8 interceptors.
 
2013-04-26 10:35:18 AM
Yeah, the US Top Gear episode where the Stig got away from those three clowns in cop cars using a Honda Odyssey is a good example of why these cars are way obsolete.

Oh, you need to turn or brake?  Too bad.
 
2013-04-26 10:37:58 AM

dustygrimp: Does anyone have a fully restored lipstick red 1976 Ford T'bird  with white vinyl top that they want to give me?


Why for the love of all things Disco would you want one of those underpowered beasts?
 
2013-04-26 10:41:43 AM

reillan: [24.media.tumblr.com image 500x646]


Whar a fun show.
 
2013-04-26 10:43:47 AM
phlegmmo (quoting TFA): It's got a cop motor, a 440 cubic inch plant, it's got cop tires, cop suspensions, cop shocks. It's a model made before catalytic converters so it'll run good on regular gas.

"Regular gas"? Wow, Grandpa, tell us more about when you were a kid and motor fuel was chock full of poisonous heavy metals!
 
2013-04-26 10:55:59 AM
That car is cool but Crown vic's suck, body on frame is good for pickups and your grandma's sweet ride. Any new AWD v6 or turbo 4 smokes them. Most departments I see are going to those ford interceptor suv's which are awd.

/outran two.
//radios are shiat in the middle of nowhere.
 
2013-04-26 11:00:21 AM

Mithiwithi: phlegmmo (quoting TFA): It's got a cop motor, a 440 cubic inch plant, it's got cop tires, cop suspensions, cop shocks. It's a model made before catalytic converters so it'll run good on regular gas.

"Regular gas"? Wow, Grandpa, tell us more about when you were a kid and motor fuel was chock full of poisonous heavy metals!


No, I was quoting The Blues Brothers.
 
2013-04-26 11:33:22 AM

phlegmmo: Mithiwithi: phlegmmo (quoting TFA): It's got a cop motor, a 440 cubic inch plant, it's got cop tires, cop suspensions, cop shocks. It's a model made before catalytic converters so it'll run good on regular gas.

"Regular gas"? Wow, Grandpa, tell us more about when you were a kid and motor fuel was chock full of poisonous heavy metals!

No, I was quoting The Blues Brothers.


The BLUES BROTHERS?

They still owe you money, Fool!
 
2013-04-26 11:34:00 AM
No mention of the first purpose built police interceptor?

Carbon E7

Wiki page

media.caranddriver.com

Too bad that it went under.
 
2013-04-26 11:41:29 AM
 
2013-04-26 11:44:02 AM
It's ugly probably handles like a 70's mid size car (body sway crazy).
 
2013-04-26 11:50:59 AM

bunner: Ah, cars when they had designers and not CAD CAM annotated drag coefficient numbers.  Sick of ovate sh*tboxes.


You make me weep.

/memories

all-carz.com
 
2013-04-26 11:55:12 AM
In Argentina, the cops drive Ford Fiestas.

I hear they're not as respected for some reason.
 
2013-04-26 12:00:11 PM

Amusement: It's ugly probably handles like a 70's mid size car (body sway crazy).


Actually they can do what's called a "resto-mod" on older cars like that, install a modern FI engine,3 or 4 link triangulated suspension with coil springs, disc brakes, sway bars, etc... & it'll handle like a modern car but still look the same. A lot of the kits are bolt-on, so you can switch back to original.

As far as using SUVs, our local cops have to have them, a lot of really bad dirt/rock/steep roads here so they need 4WD.
 
2013-04-26 12:00:28 PM

CtrlAltDestroy: No mention of the first purpose built police interceptor?....Carbon E7....Too bad that it went under.


Their entire business model was "This car looks badass, don't you cops wanna look badass too"? I think that conflicts with the image of professionalism most departments aim for these days.
 
2013-04-26 12:05:10 PM

Tom_Slick: dustygrimp: Does anyone have a fully restored lipstick red 1976 Ford T'bird  with white vinyl top that they want to give me?

Why for the love of all things Disco would you want one of those underpowered beasts?


Not all about power, man.  That was a smooth ride and a sharp look.
 
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