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2013-04-26 08:58:45 AM  
mikefinch
I have very intention of continuing this with you in a few hours.
On the downside I only got an hour or two of sleep. On the upside, it's a nice morning and I think I'm going to gear up and ride to work soon. I'll jump back in when I get settled in at work.

I hope I never implied you were a bible thumper. I was raised Catholic myself and would consider myself to bee agnostic these days (or Catholic when my family asks =/) You are giving me new and different ways to approach my view of God, that's good.

One final question before I leave, it appears to me both from my posts and your replies that we have limited our discussion to OT God. At this point I think it would muddy the waters substantially to discuss NT God too. Is that your reading of things as well?
 
2013-04-26 08:58:46 AM  
Whats more existentially terrifying for me is that the vast uncaring universe exists at all. And to be honest i do have emotional anguish related to it. I get freaking depressed. Very very depressed. Mostly because i feel like my soul is caught doing a permanent impression of Edvard munches 'the scream' in reaction to just being here. Its not just terrifying and horrifying enough to be conscious and have to live and die and figure all that shiat out but people have to be horrible terrible sunsofbiatches while you try to do it... And then to comprehend your unintended propagation of that system that so disgusts you... Its just... farked up. Whether you believe in god or not ...

Try Buddhism. Seriously. It can help make peace with that terror by embracing that terror - and letting it go.
 
2013-04-26 09:00:02 AM  

Strolpol: /I mean really, do you WANT your deity to have the mentality of a psychotic child?


Sure. My ex-wife does. Why not my god?
 
2013-04-26 09:00:39 AM  

mikefinch: Aaaaaaaand wtf happened to my post? Wheres the blue text? whatever. Fark ate your post and crapped all over my formatting. Time for bed is right.


that's what you get for bad mouthing our lord and savior!
=P

\j/k
 
2013-04-26 09:01:53 AM  

thamike: [markblackspeaks.com image 400x400]

WERE YOU THERE!?  WERE YOU THERE!? WERE YOU THERE!?

[i75.photobucket.com image 295x349]

GET.  IN.  THE.  F*CKING.  CAR.


so.much.lol.cant.see.straight.
 
2013-04-26 09:02:09 AM  

give me doughnuts: Calipataa: Milwaukee? Is there life on Milwaukee?

There must be. After all, it's Algonquin for "the good land."


I was not aware of that.
 
2013-04-26 09:02:29 AM  
When did Christians lose their faith and feel the need to prove that what they believe in is literally true?

What are they trying to accomplish with this?
 
2013-04-26 09:05:05 AM  

Uchiha_Cycliste: give me doughnuts: Calipataa: Milwaukee? Is there life on Milwaukee?

There must be. After all, it's Algonquin for "the good land."

I was not aware of that.


Neither is Wikipedia : "The word "Milwaukee" may come from Algonquin/Ojibwa language and on 1673 map by Marquette and Joliet was shown Mesquakinin (people of Mesquakie or ME-SEKI-wa-KI). Now they have casino in Iowa. A special quarry provided famous yellow bricks as well as a unique color of orange clay to protect natives from insects. Mesquakie means "bodies of color red and yellow" --an orange or red as noted by the French. "

I always thought it meant "Cheap beer."
 
2013-04-26 09:06:22 AM  

ThrobblefootSpectre: keylock71: Also, the 80% number isn't "80% can't read", but rather 80% of NYC public high school graduates taking entrance exams to Community Colleges lack basic skills in reading, writing, and math.

I'm not arguing that there isn't a big problem with the lack of basic skills in reading and writing, but let's use these numbers accurately and and leave hyperbole out of it.

My apologies for not couching the 80 percent figure in as favorable terms as possible. Lol. One can only assume you are ten times more upset about the other dozens of posts with hyperbole about this private school.


No, my friend... You stated "80% of students in the public school system cannot read." That statistic is wrong. I'm not sugar-coating anything. I'm just showing you that you were wrong. I'm not upset about anything, and I'm sure there are plenty of examples of hyperbole and inaccurate talking points in this thread. However, I saw your incorrect statement and provided you with some information regarding it.

Apologies for doing so, as my intention was not to bruise your ego.
 
2013-04-26 09:06:23 AM  

Venus: Fake. At least the teacher should know the bible-- on the 6th day God created man. Animals were on Day 5.


The fundamentalists are to the bible what tea party patriots are to the constitution. Tireless defenders of what they think (and want) the bible to say, not what it actually does say. I mean shiat... I probably have a superior working knowledge of the bible than this tool of a teacher (assuming he exists).

\and math, engineering, science, English, sociology, health, cycling, anime and science-fiction. =P
 
2013-04-26 09:06:26 AM  

mikefinch: But he doesn't have accountability. To whom is he accountable?


To His creation, of course.  If you decide to procreate and have a red headed child - but you don't like red hair - is it ethically acceptable for you to toss it in the trash and try again?

If you create something that is self-aware, ethics demand that you take some responsibility for your choice to bring that being into existence.

To say otherwise is unethical.
 
2013-04-26 09:06:59 AM  

Calipataa: Uchiha_Cycliste: give me doughnuts: Calipataa: Milwaukee? Is there life on Milwaukee?

There must be. After all, it's Algonquin for "the good land."

I was not aware of that.

Neither is Wikipedia : "The word "Milwaukee" may come from Algonquin/Ojibwa language and on 1673 map by Marquette and Joliet was shown Mesquakinin (people of Mesquakie or ME-SEKI-wa-KI). Now they have casino in Iowa. A special quarry provided famous yellow bricks as well as a unique color of orange clay to protect natives from insects. Mesquakie means "bodies of color red and yellow" --an orange or red as noted by the French. "

I always thought it meant "Cheap beer."


someone needs to watch Wayne's world again =(
 
2013-04-26 09:07:55 AM  

randomjsa: "Were you there?"

In my ramblings about the internet I have actually heard this as a come back from an adult Atheist more than once. I've responded in a variety of ways but I think this is the best one...

'You're right, I wasn't there. You make a good argument. How about we both gather up all of the physical and biological evidence and present it in a court and see whose right?'

You will be amazed how many creationists will confidently tell you that their ideas would easily withstand a court test at least as well as if not better than evolution.

That's when you tell them that it was already done and the major witness of 'intelligent design' had to admit under oath that various forms of psychic reading were just as valid as ID under his definition of 'science'. To say that the creations lost when this went to court would be a vast understatement and that's putting aside the fact that the people who came up with ID backed out of defending it it court, leaving poor Behe by himself to be made a fool of.


oh please tell me where i can read more about this case, i would LOVE to read up on this
 
2013-04-26 09:08:17 AM  

RickTheVote: Fake - I know the original submitter to both reddit and its subsequent submission to Snopes.


Well, I guess that settles it. We're done here.
 
2013-04-26 09:08:32 AM  

mikefinch: And god is not constrained by reality -- rather reality is constrained by god.


You don't realize it, but you just said "God doesn't exist."
 
2013-04-26 09:09:18 AM  

keylock71: but let's use these numbers accurately and and leave hyperbole out of it.


We don't *do* that here. Where do you think you are, grad school?
 
2013-04-26 09:10:01 AM  

Uchiha_Cycliste: Calipataa: Uchiha_Cycliste: give me doughnuts: Calipataa: Milwaukee? Is there life on Milwaukee?

There must be. After all, it's Algonquin for "the good land."

I was not aware of that.

Neither is Wikipedia : "The word "Milwaukee" may come from Algonquin/Ojibwa language and on 1673 map by Marquette and Joliet was shown Mesquakinin (people of Mesquakie or ME-SEKI-wa-KI). Now they have casino in Iowa. A special quarry provided famous yellow bricks as well as a unique color of orange clay to protect natives from insects. Mesquakie means "bodies of color red and yellow" --an orange or red as noted by the French. "

I always thought it meant "Cheap beer."

someone needs to watch Wayne's world again =(


DAGNABBIT! Sorry about that.
 
2013-04-26 09:10:03 AM  

grxymkjbn: mikefinch: And god is not constrained by reality -- rather reality is constrained by god.

You don't realize it, but you just said "God doesn't exist."


Victory is mine!  BUAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA
 
2013-04-26 09:10:16 AM  

Lsherm: impaler: We need more STEM, yet we get this shat.

Sorry, here's the article:   http://www.epi.org/publication/bp359-guestworkers-high-skill-labor-ma r ket-analysis/


"Our examination of the IT labor market, guestworker flows, and the STEM education pipeline finds consistent and clear trends suggesting that the United States has more than a sufficient supply of workers available to work in STEM occupations... "

Bwhahaha!  They analyzed the IT labor market as an indicator for STEM fields?  Nothing about the aerospace, mechanical, electrical, industrial, civil, computer, chemical, nuclear, systems or any of the other actual engineering fields?

F. A. I. L.

/it was a long article, so I skimmed towards then end, but I didn't see any indication that they drew their conclusions from any other sample set than I highlighted
 
2013-04-26 09:11:14 AM  
possumsal.homestead.com
I killed John Denver, and I'm going to kill you. -God
 
2013-04-26 09:12:34 AM  
mikefinch:

And god is not constrained by reality -- rather reality is constrained by god.

That's an interesting Dogma
 
2013-04-26 09:12:45 AM  

keylock71: Also, the 80% number isn't "80% can't read", but rather 80% of NYC public high school graduates taking entrance exams to Community Colleges lack basic skills in reading, writing, and math.

I'm not arguing that there isn't a big problem with the lack of basic skills in reading and writing, but let's use these numbers accurately and and leave hyperbole out of it.


This is ALSO wrong.

It was incoming freshman to City University of NY (community college) who graduated from a NYC public school who were not performing at college level not basic level.  IE, kids who were not proficient in calculus, technical or structured writing, or college level reading comprehension.

FURTHER, the 80% figure is bullshiat.  It was something along the lines of 34% of students need remedial math, 24% writing, and 22% reading (percentages similar, I forget the link to the article I read that broke it down completely).  34% + 24% + 22% = 80% right?  RIGHT?  No.  There is overlap, as struggling students tend to struggle in more than one subject. Reading/Writing in particular have a high degree of correlation.  The actual figure is probably closer to 40-50%.  This kind of twisted statistical logic would be like me conducting a survey where we had 50% male respondents, 70% white respondents, and 60% Christian.  That does not mean that 180% of my respondents were White Christian males.

Finally, these were kids who went to a community college in the city.  The best and brightest do not go to community colleges, they go to Columbia, or NYU, or Princeton, or a good school outside the city.

So an accurate headline would have been something like "40-50% of the lowest percentiles of college-bound NYC public school graduates had to take remedial coursework in math, writing, and/or reading upon entering a CUNY school".  But that headline won't grab your attention will it?
 
2013-04-26 09:13:18 AM  
If God was here before reality and outside of reality, then God is necessarily "unreal"... ie nonexistent.

  Words mean things.
 
2013-04-26 09:14:27 AM  

Uchiha_Cycliste: Victory is mine!  BUAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA


Still better than Nicolas Malebranche, who in the course of explaining the problem of evil argued God is subordinate to man.
 
2013-04-26 09:14:45 AM  

CeroX: randomjsa: "Were you there?"

In my ramblings about the internet I have actually heard this as a come back from an adult Atheist more than once. I've responded in a variety of ways but I think this is the best one...

'You're right, I wasn't there. You make a good argument. How about we both gather up all of the physical and biological evidence and present it in a court and see whose right?'

You will be amazed how many creationists will confidently tell you that their ideas would easily withstand a court test at least as well as if not better than evolution.

That's when you tell them that it was already done and the major witness of 'intelligent design' had to admit under oath that various forms of psychic reading were just as valid as ID under his definition of 'science'. To say that the creations lost when this went to court would be a vast understatement and that's putting aside the fact that the people who came up with ID backed out of defending it it court, leaving poor Behe by himself to be made a fool of.

oh please tell me where i can read more about this case, i would LOVE to read up on this


I believe it refers to this case: Kitzmiller vs. Dover

...and yeah, the Intelligent Deign folks got their asses handed to them including admitting on the stand that psychics and Astrology were "Science" under their definition.

They also proved they had just taken a previously rejected ID text book, changed all instances of "Creationism" to "intelligent design", repackaged it, and tried to get it used as a text in schools, as well.
 
2013-04-26 09:15:12 AM  

Kriggerel: 227 comments in, and no Bevets? :P


He finally ascended into Heaven.
 
2013-04-26 09:16:14 AM  

xria: Ed Grubermann: Gordon Bennett:  so let's take the evangelical christian view as given, at least the core of it and forgive my jewish arse for getting a detail wrong -

Chrsitians have no farking idea how their theology works due to it being a religion by committee. A camel of a faith, you might say. Things were so bad that the Catholic Church invented Limbo for all those unbaptized babies to keep the distraught mothers from telling the Pope to go fark himself. They've tried bolting on other exceptions, such as the Noble Savage idea that people who never heard The Word could not be condemned as they had not refused salvation.

The thing is, until recently, you didn't question the leaders of your church under pain of excommunication or death. Now that religions have been castrated and muzzled in the west, people can question their church leaders and the accumulated cruft of thousands of years of "because I said so!!!!" is breaking the camel's poor back.

There is a good argument that the 1500+ years between Rome contracting Christianity and say the Renaissance, the entire stalling of any significant technologicial, economic, political, and social progress was halted in and around Europe to avoid breaking all the inherent contradictions inside Christianity (especially as a state faith, as opposed to a grasping of straws from the poor, oppressed and needy that somehow after they die things will finally get better)



The Dark Ages weren't. Europe had plenty of progress in technology, economics, and social structures. It didn't all just spring into being one day in the 1400s.
 
2013-04-26 09:16:49 AM  

Free Radical: When did Christians lose their faith and feel the need to prove that what they believe in is literally true?

What are they trying to accomplish with this?


I'd wager that given they started as an apocalyptic cult who's end of days never came and morphed into a power structure whose aim was to displace feudalism in a vain (yet nearly successful) attempt at absolute control and conformity that they never actually had faith and that they have been trying to prove their piety and demonstrate just how big their belief is since about 60 years after Jesus died (if he actually existed and was crucified)
 
2013-04-26 09:17:56 AM  
"Existence" is a word that means the opposite of "nonexistence".  I'd be interested in seeing anyone define "existence" in a way that can include the biblical God, but exclude leprechauns, elves, Vulcans or any other imaginary entities.
 
2013-04-26 09:18:05 AM  

that bosnian sniper: Uchiha_Cycliste: Victory is mine!  BUAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA

Still better than Nicolas Malebranche, who in the course of explaining the problem of evil argued God is subordinate to man.


He sure put de cart before de horse.

\sigh, no one will get this lame joke.
 
2013-04-26 09:18:07 AM  

ciberido: impaler: Apos: The "were you there?!" retort is undeniably the creepiest aspect of this indoctrination.

And the stupidest. No one was there for 6000 years either.

Or Jesus.

I was there, but I've only done this once before.


And here folks, we have unidentified a time lord.
 
2013-04-26 09:18:17 AM  
The Bible is inerrant truth!

How do you know?

Because God wrote it!

Were you there?
 
2013-04-26 09:18:28 AM  

Tsu-na-mi: keylock71: Also, the 80% number isn't "80% can't read", but rather 80% of NYC public high school graduates taking entrance exams to Community Colleges lack basic skills in reading, writing, and math.

I'm not arguing that there isn't a big problem with the lack of basic skills in reading and writing, but let's use these numbers accurately and and leave hyperbole out of it.

This is ALSO wrong.

It was incoming freshman to City University of NY (community college) who graduated from a NYC public school who were not performing at college level not basic level.  IE, kids who were not proficient in calculus, technical or structured writing, or college level reading comprehension.

FURTHER, the 80% figure is bullshiat.  It was something along the lines of 34% of students need remedial math, 24% writing, and 22% reading (percentages similar, I forget the link to the article I read that broke it down completely).  34% + 24% + 22% = 80% right?  RIGHT?  No.  There is overlap, as struggling students tend to struggle in more than one subject. Reading/Writing in particular have a high degree of correlation.  The actual figure is probably closer to 40-50%.  This kind of twisted statistical logic would be like me conducting a survey where we had 50% male respondents, 70% white respondents, and 60% Christian.  That does not mean that 180% of my respondents were White Christian males.

Finally, these were kids who went to a community college in the city.  The best and brightest do not go to community colleges, they go to Columbia, or NYU, or Princeton, or a good school outside the city.

So an accurate headline would have been something like "40-50% of the lowest percentiles of college-bound NYC public school graduates had to take remedial coursework in math, writing, and/or reading upon entering a CUNY school".  But that headline won't grab your attention will it?


Ah, thanks for the clarification. Falling victim to the talking points, myself, I guess.
 
2013-04-26 09:20:13 AM  
Okay... one more carafe of coffee and then I'm out of here.
 
2013-04-26 09:20:13 AM  
Religion is mental illness

And inflicting it on children is abuse
 
2013-04-26 09:21:38 AM  

Uchiha_Cycliste: keylock71: but let's use these numbers accurately and and leave hyperbole out of it.

We don't *do* that here. Where do you think you are, grad school?


Ha... Yeah, I know.

Funnily enough, I'm Farking now in order to avoid working on my statement of purpose and selecting my portfolio pieces for my grad school application...
 
2013-04-26 09:22:02 AM  

Uchiha_Cycliste: He sure put de cart before de horse.


Rene would probably get your joke.
 
2013-04-26 09:26:08 AM  

jm105: Evangelical Scientists Refute Gravity With New 'Intelligent Falling' Theory


I've never been so happy to see the Onion's logo.

/Seriously thought for a second there were anti-gravity lunatics.
 
2013-04-26 09:28:21 AM  

grxymkjbn: Uchiha_Cycliste: He sure put de cart before de horse.

Rene would probably get your joke.


img.pandawhale.com
 
2013-04-26 09:29:09 AM  

Ostman: jm105: Evangelical Scientists Refute Gravity With New 'Intelligent Falling' Theory

I've never been so happy to see the Onion's logo.

/Seriously thought for a second there were anti-gravity lunatics.


there actually are =(
 
2013-04-26 09:29:37 AM  
"Where you there?" is going to be new response for everything.
 
2013-04-26 09:31:04 AM  
btw Mikefinch, it takes a lot less wakefulness and giveashiat to snark on and put off riding than it does to form a coherent and compelling counter-argument. Don't think I'm ignoring or forgetting you. I'll be considering how to do battle with you as I ride in (instead of contemplating work like usual)
 
2013-04-26 09:31:20 AM  

GungFu: Dummy: God created the earth 6 thousand years ago.

Me: Were you there?


Same here.  two can play that game.

Jesus died for your sins!

Really?  How do we know?  Were you there?
 
2013-04-26 09:31:39 AM  

themightyboof: "Where you there?" is going to be new response for everything.


So its come to this...
 
2013-04-26 09:34:02 AM  

themightyboof: "Where you there?" is going to be new response for everything.


I think if I were a parent, my response would be, "Yes, yes I was... See, here's something you don't know about your dear old dad, kid. I'm immortal. In fact, I'm over 6 million years old, and I can tell you from first hand experience, the earth is a lot older than I am. Make sure you tell your teacher that tomorrow..."

Probably a good idea I don't have any kids, actually. : )
 
2013-04-26 09:34:51 AM  
NOOOOOOOOOO I refreshed and no new comments. Wat do? need mind occupyinng
 
2013-04-26 09:35:10 AM  

kxs401: It is a private school, to be fair.

Then again, these kids are going to be our fellow citizens. Voters, coworkers, neighbors, etc. Be scared.


On the whole they are not any more harmful or scary than these Voters, coworkers, neighbors, future leaders etc

college students hold pro-North Korea regime rallies in New York City

Charles Rangel Wins 22nd Term in Congress

gender neutral parenting-raising my boychick

The Nation Bemoans Plight of OWS Protester $35K in Debt for Puppetry Degree
 
2013-04-26 09:36:52 AM  

Apos: The "were you there?!" retort is undeniably the creepiest aspect of this indoctrination.


"You didn't build that!" is also an acceptable reply.
 
2013-04-26 09:42:37 AM  

Uchiha_Cycliste: Ostman: jm105: Evangelical Scientists Refute Gravity With New 'Intelligent Falling' Theory

I've never been so happy to see the Onion's logo.

/Seriously thought for a second there were anti-gravity lunatics.

there actually are =(


*puts hands over ears* LA LA LA Not listening! LA LA LA
 
2013-04-26 09:43:05 AM  

Uchiha_Cycliste: need mind occupyinng


Take my challenge to define "existence" in any way that the word could include the biblical God but exclude Vulcans.  You don't have to believe your definition accurate; it's just a fun game for those who enjoy occupying their minds.
 
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