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2013-04-26 05:48:30 AM

Steak_Cake_Sause: wallywam1: Ranger Rover: Ranger Rover: Steak_Cake_Sause: As a compromise, it would relegate religion to the ever shrinking 'God of the Gaps.'

Have not heard this before, but it sounds interesting. What does it mean?

In case you feel the temptation to send me a "let me google that for you" meme, I will google it myself. But interested in your take on it.

Okay, did. And glad I did. This is exactly why I justify "time-wasting" on fark - I usually learn a thing or two.

Very good argument. And I think some sort of anticipation of it is why I tried to qualify my statement with the fact that doctrinally this compromise would be impracticable in many cases. But is kazikian's statement really necessitating a "God of the Gaps" argument, or could it maybe be a more God IN the Gaps argument? Am I just stupidly playing around with prepositions, or does that make any kind of sense?

Same thing. It only applies to that particular type of religious belief though.

There are plenty of people who can learn about evolutionary biology to broaden their understanding of science and then go to their church/synagogue/mosque/favorite tree/whatever and try to figure out how to find peace and be less of a jerk to other people. There really doesn't need to be a conflict between science and spirituality.

Well, there is kind of a conflict in that science attempts to explain everything and so does spirituality/religion. At best they are describing the same thing.


I guess my point is that neither one should attempt to explain everything. Imagine trying to understand art using only science. What is the chemical composition of this paint? What wavelength of light is reflected off the canvas? Those questions don't help you understand art any more than Jesus riding around on a dinosaur helps you understand science.
 
2013-04-26 05:51:40 AM

Uchiha_Cycliste: tinfoil-hat maggie: Uchiha_Cycliste: tinfoil-hat maggie: Uchiha_Cycliste: ciberido: impaler: Apos: The "were you there?!" retort is undeniably the creepiest aspect of this indoctrination.

And the stupidest. No one was there for 6000 years either.

Or Jesus.

I was there, but I've only done this once before.

If every vampire that says he was at the crucifixion was actually there it would have been as crowded as Woodstock.

I think you missed something.
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No, I just wanted to point out what a crowded place that hill would have been if either time travelers or vampires (whe are kinda iike time travelers who can only go forward) existed. In either case, if you were there you would need your own weapon

Incidentally, assuming the blood didn't kill them cuz holy and all that, how much would a vampire LOVE Jesus? Essentially immortal, self healing, he's the ubiquitous bottomless drink cup, but fresh blood.

Haven't you seen the penitent man? Time travelers generally can only view the past ; )
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I have not, but it' on  "the list" now, Incidentally, I think this is possible (with FTL travel and good optics) get ahead of the lit leaving earth then turn around and watch for a while, you will be watching the past =D


It's defiantly worth the watch. It raises some interesting questions about time travel. It's a bit slow but stick with it. I enjoyed it.

Oh and I remember someone telling me the Hubble would be able to see dinosaurs because it was actually looking into the past of our galaxy.
/Yea really
//Granted we were kids.
/// Oh, and I didn't have many friends since most of them were stupid : (
 
2013-04-26 05:52:18 AM

Ranger Rover: The biggest difference, though, is that science is dynamic and tends to reverse itself in the face of irrefutable proof, whereas religious beliefs are static - based on incontrovertible truths - and don't. What would you say to that?


Science rarely actually reverses itself. Most of that is just bad science reporting.  Research results shouldn't be published to the general public until they've been confirmed, but the media likes controversial headlines that will draw page-hits. Reality is, depending on the field, up to 90% of original research turns out to not be repeatable when independent researchers try to confirm it.

Science, at its heart, is a process for uncovering human error, fraud and wishful thinking. The most important part of that process is, it isn't real until someone else has confirmed it. Naturally, in America the science news never bothers explaining how science works. They're busy looking for the latest grad student paper where coffee either gave mouse cells cancer or made them immortal. :(
 
2013-04-26 05:53:27 AM

Calipataa: Philbb: mikefinch: They think the bible is without flaw

They think the King James version of bible is without flaw. I can't, for the life of me, understand how they come to this conclusion. Seriously, how can anyone who knows the history of how the bible came to be, believe that any version is the infallible truth?

But it's so simple!

http://www.biblebelievers.com/Gipp/answer/gipp_answer_28.html


Wow, that is an amazing example of circular logic. Thanks for sharing.

But, that is still from people who don't really know the origin of the bible. It didn't exist in anything close to it's current form until the third century C.E. or in any form at all really until 40 to 120 years after the time of Christ.

http://www.deism.com/bibleorigins.htm

http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/bibleorigin.html
 
2013-04-26 05:53:32 AM
markblackspeaks.com

WERE YOU THERE!?  WERE YOU THERE!? WERE YOU THERE!?

i75.photobucket.com

GET.  IN.  THE.  F*CKING.  CAR.
 
2013-04-26 05:53:51 AM

wallywam1: I guess my point is that neither one should attempt to explain everything. Imagine trying to understand art using only science. What is the chemical composition of this paint? What wavelength of light is reflected off the canvas? Those questions don't help you understand art any more than Jesus riding around on a dinosaur helps you understand science.


And the study of perception, symbolism, metaphor, culture, etc... isn't science. Thanks. I had not known that before.

Why shouldn't science try to explain everything? Why should we artificially wall off portions of our experience from scientific scrutiny?
 
2013-04-26 05:54:01 AM

MBK: You know anyone can print out tests and claim they are "real deals".

It...is really damn easy.  A few bad clip art pieces, some questions, and OMG INSTANT INTERNET CELEBRITY


You haven't been paying attention to the Senate, have you?
 
2013-04-26 05:54:19 AM

Steak_Cake_Sause: So to me the best anyone can say is 'we dont know.' But that doesnt imply a creator, especially one as specific as the God of Abraham. Thats why I'm an atheist.


Well said (the whole comment, not just what I'm quoting here). I think that's the heart of it, and we just take different routes to get at the same essence. I am an agnostic. I don't know anything, and that's what (I hope) separates me from the religious nutjobs who think they do and want to prescribe/proscribe the actions of everyone else based on that. Can't remember the last time I was on the phone with God and he told me what exactly he wanted, or how I should make the life of anyone who disagreed a living hell. Hell, maybe there are seven-two virgins waiting for the 9/11 bombers. Or maybe we do just all return to the earth and become compost. I don't know, and I don't aim to act like I know and regulate the actions of other people on the basis of it.

/Glad to talk with an atheist who seems to understand agnosticism.
 
2013-04-26 05:57:34 AM

Ranger Rover: Steak_Cake_Sause: So to me the best anyone can say is 'we dont know.' But that doesnt imply a creator, especially one as specific as the God of Abraham. Thats why I'm an atheist.

Well said (the whole comment, not just what I'm quoting here). I think that's the heart of it, and we just take different routes to get at the same essence. I am an agnostic. I don't know anything, and that's what (I hope) separates me from the religious nutjobs who think they do and want to prescribe/proscribe the actions of everyone else based on that. Can't remember the last time I was on the phone with God and he told me what exactly he wanted, or how I should make the life of anyone who disagreed a living hell. Hell, maybe there are seven-two virgins waiting for the 9/11 bombers. Or maybe we do just all return to the earth and become compost. I don't know, and I don't aim to act like I know and regulate the actions of other people on the basis of it.

/Glad to talk with an atheist who seems to understand agnosticism.


From an atheist to an agnostic, you don't know and I don't care.
 
2013-04-26 05:58:14 AM

iheartscotch: FAKE! I went to a catholic school; even there they fit evolution to genesis. It wasn't six calendar days, no, it was six metaphorical days that stretched back from the moment god created the earth, till he created man.

/ but, then again, that was right around the time that rocks were invented


The Catholics have their issues, but they're not NEARLY as anti-evolution as the our home-grown fundies.
 
2013-04-26 06:00:29 AM
Multiple members of my family get yearly membership passes to the creation "museum" in Kentucky... Thankfully, I've never been there, and wouldn't last long if i was forced to go...

Seriously, they have a room labeled "The world without God", which features various displays like a newspaper that headlines "Children attacked by packs of wolves" and a video clip of a mother telling her 12 year old to get an abortion, Another newspaper article that reads "Homosexuals recruiting children" and a bunch of other stupid nonsense...

When my parents showed me pictures of this i turned to them and said, "Wait, isn't the whole point of fundamentalism that you believe God created the earth? Should the "World without God" exhibit actually just be a pitch black room with sensory deprivation systems so you can't see or hear ANYTHING? You know since had there been no god there would BE no world?

Her response:  "Well it's just an exhibit"

I love my family, but they are buying into this garbage...
 
2013-04-26 06:02:15 AM
You can be there. It's called stratification.
 
2013-04-26 06:02:40 AM

CeroX: Seriously, they have a room labeled "The world without God", which features various displays like a newspaper that headlines "Children attacked by packs of wolves" and a video clip of a mother telling her 12 year old to get an abortion, Another newspaper article that reads "Homosexuals recruiting children" and a bunch of other stupid nonsense...


This hurt my brain.
 
2013-04-26 06:03:16 AM

Ranger Rover: ArcadianRefugee: kxs401: It is a private school, to be fair.

Then again, these kids are going to be our fellow citizens. Voters, coworkers, neighbors,

congressmen....

Not teaching kids basic science is scary, but so is encroaching upon the freedom to privately educate and exercise religion, so I don't know where to end up on this one....


Easy.  Make it illegal to take a kid to church, temple, synagogue, or mosque until they turn 18.

After that, go nuts.

Be interesting to see which religions would thrive if they had to rely on ADULT converts.
 
2013-04-26 06:03:54 AM

Ed Grubermann: Ranger Rover: 3) Going about reconciling these basic objectives is going to be difficult. It just is. There's no wishing this away. The best, maybe the only, way this can be achieved, is by both sides being willing to afford some sort of compromise; at the least being willing to hear each other out. It is no less a tragedy that certain citizens want to teach their children (especially in a private school setting, no less) that God made the world than it is that other citizens want to force them to teach their children that God did not. If it is an invasion of privacy when religious values are mandated in personal choices, it is no less an invasion of privacy when the absence of religious values are mandated in personal choices.

Who's religious tenets do we teach in public schools? The only fair answer, the only answer that does not violate the Constitution, the only answer that does not tell believers in religion X that, "no, those guys over in religion Y are correct, you're going to hell, sorry" is to stick to secular facts and theories. If people want to teach their kids that Raven freed humans from the great clams, they can do it at home.


This article is referencing a private school.
 
2013-04-26 06:08:48 AM

Uchiha_Cycliste: Ranger Rover: The biggest difference, though, is that science is dynamic and tends to reverse itself in the face of irrefutable proof, whereas religious beliefs are static - based on incontrovertible truths - and don't. What would you say to that?

That's not the only differenc e(or the biggest one) Science is beliefs based on evidence amd confirmation (bascally the scientific method) the other is by definition belief based on the ack of evidence. Because if you did have evidence you couldn't have faith. Faith requires belief without proof. They are diametrically opposed methodologies for coming to a conclusion  It's why scientists look down upon the religious with such disdain. Person A says I believe this because I can demonstrate it's validity. Person B says I believe this because I have faith and there is no way to prove it's validity... therefore it must be right.


Sure, I would agree with that - I meant for that summation to be encompassed by my assertion that religious assertions are based on "incontrovertible truth" - which requires faith.
 
2013-04-26 06:09:03 AM

miss diminutive: This hurt my brain.


wifey and i want to get banned from there just so our parents will stop asking us to go...

But yeah... abortions, nazis, homosexuals, and animals attacking people, all in a world without god... which, coincidentally, is the world we live in!
 
2013-04-26 06:09:51 AM

dickfreckle: Lsherm: Also, this apparently is a very small private school, so mock, but there shouldn't be outrage.  Stupid is as stupid does.

Yeah, but these are the private schools my Governor (Jindal) and legislature is appropriating tax dollars to without holding them to the same standards as public schools. One school in question consists of windowless portable buildings and a strong curriculum of Jesus DVDs. I really, really wish I were making this up.

The state is so poor in education that the argument of allowing parents to send their kids to sectarian or snake-handling schools in order to achieve a better quality of education is what drove this. But let me reiterate - these schools are not being held to any standard, and as of right now are licking chops waiting to bilk the government for as much money as however many students they can cram in.

Look, I went to an awesome Catholic school. We were taught the Classics, religion in not such a fervent light, ACTUAL SCIENCE, and though I was told there would be no math, we got real versions of that, too. But many of the schools lining at Jindal's trough are fly-by-night sh*tholes that issue tests like the one alleged here. And once again - because I can't stress this enough - the voucher program was wildly popular even when it became clear that many of these schools weren't being audited for effectiveness and funds the way the public ones are.

This state breaks my heart. New Orleans, for all her problems, is actually a wonderful cultural center and among the most unique places in the States. Blue as all hell, too - even the white folks. The suburbs, while Red, are at least populated by people who have decent jobs and merely want their kids to succeed in a properly academic religious school like my parents did. But then there's the rest of the state wanting that one asshole Sunday school teacher we all had as children to be responsible for teaching their kids full-time. With Jindal trying to position his TeaPubican cre ...


Just started watching Treme.  Interesting series, but kinda rough...how accurate is it?
 
2013-04-26 06:09:52 AM

thamike: [markblackspeaks.com image 400x400]

WERE YOU THERE!?  WERE YOU THERE!? WERE YOU THERE!?

[i75.photobucket.com image 295x349]

GET.  IN.  THE.  F*CKING.  CAR.


i560.photobucket.com
 
2013-04-26 06:10:46 AM
As someone who lived "north of Greer" I can tell you there is no private schools north of Greer. And it's pretty much Greer, then nothing, then nothing that belongs to North Carolina.
 
2013-04-26 06:11:39 AM

Philbb: Calipataa: Philbb: mikefinch: They think the bible is without flaw

They think the King James version of bible is without flaw. I can't, for the life of me, understand how they come to this conclusion. Seriously, how can anyone who knows the history of how the bible came to be, believe that any version is the infallible truth?

But it's so simple!

http://www.biblebelievers.com/Gipp/answer/gipp_answer_28.html

Wow, that is an amazing example of circular logic. Thanks for sharing.

But, that is still from people who don't really know the origin of the bible. It didn't exist in anything close to it's current form until the third century C.E. or in any form at all really until 40 to 120 years after the time of Christ.

http://www.deism.com/bibleorigins.htm

http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/bibleorigin.html


Says you - but

http://www.biblebelievers.com/Gipp/answer/gipp_answer_01.html

!!

(I'm starting to really dig this guy's take on things) ;) )

Have you ready any Bart Ehrman? He's really interesting on the evolution of biblical manuscripts - how errors and interpolations come about, etc.
 
2013-04-26 06:13:41 AM

miss diminutive: CeroX: Seriously, they have a room labeled "The world without God", which features various displays like a newspaper that headlines "Children attacked by packs of wolves" and a video clip of a mother telling her 12 year old to get an abortion, Another newspaper article that reads "Homosexuals recruiting children" and a bunch of other stupid nonsense...

This hurt my brain.


Surely either the world has God or not, are they admitting their god doesn't exist then?
 
2013-04-26 06:17:18 AM

Ed Grubermann: wallywam1: I guess my point is that neither one should attempt to explain everything. Imagine trying to understand art using only science. What is the chemical composition of this paint? What wavelength of light is reflected off the canvas? Those questions don't help you understand art any more than Jesus riding around on a dinosaur helps you understand science.

And the study of perception, symbolism, metaphor, culture, etc... isn't science. Thanks. I had not known that before.

Why shouldn't science try to explain everything? Why should we artificially wall off portions of our experience from scientific scrutiny?


I'm referring to the physical sciences. Social sciences do explain those types of things. I'm also not talking about building a wall around anything. My point is to use the most suitable approach for the issue at hand.

Back to what started this whole discussion...Trying to teach religion in an earth science class is not a good approach because it's not consistent with the core concepts of the subject matter. Rather it's completely different subject matter.

If by "science" we are referring to philosophy, anthropology, etc. than yes you can attempt to explain everything that way.
 
2013-04-26 06:17:56 AM

thamike: From an atheist to an agnostic, you don't know and I don't care.


And that is a nicely turned phrase. Nothing to argue with there. :)
 
2013-04-26 06:22:28 AM

mikefinch: Uchiha_Cycliste:

Dude... I spent hald an hour typing a response ad then Windows decided to auto-update without asking me first... so bear with me while I try to do it again.

On the upside the unfortunate timing pissed me off enough I'm not half as tired as I was so it should be quicker this time. grrrrr


:(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
 
2013-04-26 06:22:48 AM

CeroX: miss diminutive: This hurt my brain.

wifey and i want to get banned from there just so our parents will stop asking us to go...

But yeah... abortions, nazis, homosexuals, and animals attacking people, all in a world without god... which, coincidentally, is the world we live in!


Which implies that they've gone more than once. How many new exhibits can there possibly be?

"Come see the wonders of the Great Flood as seen from the eyes of the drowning disbelievers! See the Zipporah exhibit and use our virtual reality foreskin slicer to save Moses from God's wrath!"
 
2013-04-26 06:25:51 AM

iheartscotch: FAKE! I went to a catholic school; even there they fit evolution to genesis. It wasn't six calendar days, no, it was six metaphorical days that stretched back from the moment god created the earth, till he created man.

/ but, then again, that was right around the time that rocks were invented


I attended those very same classes.  They were a bit fuzzy about whether or not evolution was real, but what they did say, definitively, was that everything that exists today was created by God and everything those things can do was intended by God.  That could encompass "ability to evolve".

I sound fat: Spiralmonkey: That is too scary to be snarky about.

No, no it isnt, watch:

Both theories are equally theories.  Done.  That was pretty simple.

/ just cause YOUR religion wears white coats when they conjecture about "facts".....


Well THERE'S your problem.  You think theory means "unsure".  The actual definition of a scientific theory is "a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world, based on a body of knowledge that has been repeatedly confirmed through observation and experiment".  Thus when we say the theory of Evolution we are actually talking about a well-documented aspect of the natural world that has evidence backing it up.  Lots and lots of evidence.

Also, you're mistakenly elevating Creationism to the level of a theory.  Creationism is, at best, unsubstantiated guesswork.

Shadowtag: The second part of that, if true, is upsetting even with it being a private school. Teaching your students to be that disrespectful to your parents doesn't sound particularly Christian and I can't imagine even a strict whackoo private school enjoying the PR fallout.


Any pissed off parents will be met with a thorough shaming.  That's how all religious institutions respond when someone calls them out for doing something bad.

We taught your kid to give a disrespectful, snippy answer to you?  You should be ashamed for having to be corrected by a 10-year-old.

We spent 85% of the money you donated on "administrative fees"?  Shame on you for even thinking those administrative costs aren't the best thing to spend that money on.

Your son got molested by your local parish priest?  Well if you weren't such a shiatty, oblivious parent you would have noticed the warning signs and kept your child away from him.

kazikian: I can never understand why anyone would think evolution is incompatible with religion. God could very well have created creatures that are able to evolve to better suit their needs as time passes and things change. If anything that would seem to add to the glory of God; I mean, not only is He able to create life, but He creates life that continues to function and adapt independently of further supernatural meddling. How cool is that, right?


Like I alluded to above, this is basically what my religious school taught me.  Well, the first one.  The second one was insane.  Regardless, it's a nice idea.  If I'm going to believe in a God, I'd like it to be one who is that clever.

Ranger Rover: Ranger Rover: Steak_Cake_Sause: As a compromise, it would relegate religion to the ever shrinking 'God of the Gaps.'

Have not heard this before, but it sounds interesting. What does it mean?

In case you feel the temptation to send me a "let me google that for you" meme, I will google it myself. But interested in your take on it.

Okay, did. And glad I did. This is exactly why I justify "time-wasting" on fark - I usually learn a thing or two.

Very good argument. And I think some sort of anticipation of it is why I tried to qualify my statement with the fact that doctrinally this compromise would be impracticable in many cases. But is kazikian's statement really necessitating a "God of the Gaps" argument, or could it maybe be a more God IN the Gaps argument? Am I just stupidly playing around with prepositions, or does that make any kind of sense?


No no, it makes sense.  A faith in God and acceptance of Evolution can be distinctly more than just "God of the Gaps" if you believe that whatever God meant to produce in the end, what he actually created was the first building blocks of life that then went on to evolve over millions of years to become us. "God of the Gaps" only comes in if you insist on attributing everything scientifically unexplainable to a deity or supernatural event, rather than "science we can't explain yet."

Frankly, I like to think of God as a sort of brilliant scientist running an experiment.  Put some primordial ooze on a planet (or several) in a universe, watch and see what happens.  Bonus, leave behind the ability to observe and interact with the universe on a fundamental level and see how long it takes life to figure it all out.  Maybe step in once or twice if the experiment isn't going to your liking.
 
2013-04-26 06:38:42 AM

thamike: [markblackspeaks.com image 400x400]

WERE YOU THERE!?  WERE YOU THERE!? WERE YOU THERE!?

[i75.photobucket.com image 295x349]

GET.  IN.  THE.  F*CKING.  CAR.


They should have put a little girl in the car rather than Marty McFly.  The Doc and his 'companion'.

/Daleks!
 
2013-04-26 06:41:00 AM
What a horrible thing to do to children...

Honestly, the fundies in this country have grown increasingly insane over the decades. I went to a born-again Christian grammar and middle school and, while this type of nonsense was believed by most of the teachers and administration, it wasn't really pushed in the science curriculum, but rather in "Bible class" and weekly chapel.

I feel sorry for these kids. They're going to get a real wake-up call when they find themselves out in the world surrounded by people who don't believe nonsense like this.
 
2013-04-26 06:41:17 AM

mikefinch: Uchiha_Cycliste: Is that better or worse than believing that your deity got really pissy one day and decided to drown the ENTIRE world and then tries to make up for it by giving us rainbows as a token phenomenon promising to not do it again?
The earth was wicked -- he was god. Don't tell him what he can and cant do.

I mean just from a theological standpoint, God is perfect and supposedly we were made in his image, meaning we are all little Gods just without the powers, but we manage to fark up badly enough to warrant global genocide.
Free will and all. And if god really is a god i dont think he would look at it as 'global genocide' -- thats how YOU see it. He might just see it as rearranging an office.

If that act was okay for him to perform, and we are all little hims, why wasn't whatever we were doing okay too? If he couldn't just make us so that we weren't so wicked in the first place, because we all had to be little [powerless] gods, what does that say about him? And if our wickedness exists because it's a part of him too (which the mass execution indicates) then why is he so pissed at us?
Some would suggest he isn't pissed at all. Heres what John Calvin said about it:
God preordained, for his own glory and the display of His attributes of mercy and justice, a part of the human race, without any merit of their own, to eternal salvation, and another part, in just punishment of their sin, to eternal damnation.
So he doesnt really have any dickish intent behind it exept to prove how farking bad ass he is?  I'm just saying -- if you know the will and whim and reason of god then he sort of ceases to be. I guess the explanation would be along the lines of 'if god tried to explain it to you your head would pop'

What did he expect? How shiatty is it to hold us to a level of accountability that he can't even live up to even with his ability to know everything always, everywhere, forever.
He is god. -- he doesn't have accountability.


I'm just saying -- God doesn't have to do any of that stuff. He's god. Your values of right and wrong and good and bad are not necessarily his and its crazy to think that a god would be constrained by human logic.

I'm just saying -- if your really going to ask questions about the nature of god don't do it with an anthropomorphized dude in a chair in the sky version some fundie organized re ligion pimps out.


Okay, so first off, I understand a lot of what you are saying but I feel like you are dismissing or ignoring my initial point that supposedly we were made in his image. God made a mold of himself, then made it pint sized and created Adam and Eve. Granted without all the groovy powers, but he is a jealous god after all.  Obviously I can't tell him what he can and can't do, the very notion is absurd, since he can do anything except microwave a burrito so hot that he himself can't eat it. I can however say Dude! Dick move!

It's said over and over that god just loves us to death. If that's the case I'd hope that our genocide was a difficult and painful decision, ad much more so a painful action. If he's such a psychopath that killing us all can be likened to reorganizing the office furniture I don't think he really deserves out admiration, love, respect and worship.  Further, if it was all pre-ordained because he was power tripping, who was he showing off to? He farking killed everyone who could have used the lesson and Noah was already in his corner. Likewise, there are tons of other ways that he can show off his godly abilities, just ask our Lady of Fatima. I can appreciate that maybe we don't have to know his motivations, a la the verbal smackdown he gives Job at the very end of his suffering when Job finally asks god WTF mate? But that's not the case here, hes very clear that he killed us all because of our grievous sinfulness.

So, he can't make us sinless because he gave us free will. But he also didn't just create a blank slate and see what happened. He created us like him, meaning whatever we did he could do (and possibly did) too. If anything it feels like an instance of self flagellation  but instead of spanking himself because of his capacity for evil, he took it out on us, who were only acting like him in the first place.

I disagree that he has no accountability, I think it just manifests differently. What he want is worshipers and people not being pricks. If he doesn't behave accordingly he will lose both those things. He just measures his success in ways that we can not.  If I'm going to question the nature of God I have to go down the anthromorphized path, all I know about hi is that he is a lot like us, but with more power. Well. like us and te only dude in the middle east who's Son was blond haired, fair skinned and blue eyed somehow... talk about miracles =P.

I think I had more to say, and that I said it more eloquently, but f*ck it. I need sleep as t's near 4 am and I gottabbe up in like 3 or so hours. On that note, I have every intention, nay desire, to continue with disussion with you in depth. But if I don't respond immediately to you, I will come 10/11am PST.

Nite bro
 
2013-04-26 06:46:49 AM

miss diminutive: CeroX: miss diminutive: This hurt my brain.

wifey and i want to get banned from there just so our parents will stop asking us to go...

But yeah... abortions, nazis, homosexuals, and animals attacking people, all in a world without god... which, coincidentally, is the world we live in!

Which implies that they've gone more than once. How many new exhibits can there possibly be?

"Come see the wonders of the Great Flood as seen from the eyes of the drowning disbelievers! See the Zipporah exhibit and use our virtual reality foreskin slicer to save Moses from God's wrath!"


oh yeah, like i said, they get yearly passes to the place... it makes have a sad because I went to the same school as my mother, and they do teach biology and evolution there... and i had many of the same teacher that she had when she was there (small town, solid teachers union, etc etc etc...) so it's not like she grew up in the deep south or anything, and my dad is college educated and from farther north in ohio than my mother... but there they are, enthralled by the place...


Let me say this about the article so i'm not completely hijacking here:

If this private school wasn't an accredited school for basic education as required by federal law, meaning, if it was an extracurricular school (like Sylvan) then i wouldn't have an issue with this, but I do because our children's education should not be compromised with drivel. There needs to be a standard that all schools who wish to be considered for credited basic education as required by the government should be required to follow which should be modeled around leading the way in education materials, methods, and subjects, and prepares future generations for global competition. Instead, we have to contend with this garbage and the infiltration of theology for what? More followers? More "believers"? Why are the minority extremists dictating this country's education direction? How did we get to this point? Who let this happen? You can't say it's from the mega-corps, the degradation of an entire population's education CAN'T be sustainable as a business model unless you plan on cutting and running...
 
2013-04-26 06:49:52 AM

tinfoil-hat maggie: I have not, but it' on  "the list" now, Incidentally, I think this is possible (with FTL travel and good optics) get ahead of the lit leaving earth then turn around and watch for a while, you will be watching the past =D

It's defiantly worth the watch. It raises some interesting questions about time travel. It's a bit slow but stick with it. I enjoyed it.

Oh and I remember someone telling me the Hubble would be able to see dinosaurs because it was actually looking into the past of our galaxy.
/Yea really
//Granted we were kids.
/// Oh, and I didn't have many friends since most of them were stupid : (


I'll definitely check it out, thanks.
Sorry about the stuid kids, that always blows. I avoided it be only having a handful of close friends, which was also the result of being a social outcast and angsty scape goat for everyone from kindergarten on up because I had hearing aids. The kids in south Orange County are unbelievably pretentious, shallow, image obsessed and clique so I spent 12 years or so being known as deaf boy by all of my 4K student HS but ,y few close friends. On the upside those few friendships were something very special and I've been best friends with, um, my best friend since we were 6.  We (she) decided to start dating (finally) last July at my little sister's wedding and for us the tough part is over. We know *everything* about each other, we know how to communicate, have lots of the same interests and have been madly and deeply in love for years. Everything from here on out is fun =D ♥
 
2013-04-26 06:56:20 AM

Ranger Rover: Uchiha_Cycliste: Ranger Rover: The biggest difference, though, is that science is dynamic and tends to reverse itself in the face of irrefutable proof, whereas religious beliefs are static - based on incontrovertible truths - and don't. What would you say to that?

That's not the only differenc e(or the biggest one) Science is beliefs based on evidence amd confirmation (bascally the scientific method) the other is by definition belief based on the ack of evidence. Because if you did have evidence you couldn't have faith. Faith requires belief without proof. They are diametrically opposed methodologies for coming to a conclusion  It's why scientists look down upon the religious with such disdain. Person A says I believe this because I can demonstrate it's validity. Person B says I believe this because I have faith and there is no way to prove it's validity... therefore it must be right.

Sure, I would agree with that - I meant for that summation to be encompassed by my assertion that religious assertions are based on "incontrovertible truth" - which requires faith.


Yeah, I just wanted to elaborate that faith *requires* there be no evidence, which makes scientists sort or cross (heh) and as science requires proof its fallacious for religious dillweeds to try to claim that science is a religion since the two couldn't be more mutually exclusive.
 
2013-04-26 06:59:13 AM
webspace.utexas.edu

YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED!
 
2013-04-26 07:04:42 AM
CSB time ...
After growing up in New England, my parents briefly moved to Texas when I was in fourth grade. Remember the capitalization quizzes they'd give you in school? I vividly remember getting the following one marked wrong: "Capitalize the correct word(s) in this sentence: 'the indians worshipped many different gods.' " I was docked for not capitalizing the word "gods." When I asked the teacher about this, since I was pretty sure I was right in only capitalizing the word "the", I was called out in front of the class and told "You always capitalize the name of our lord and savior!!" And yes, this was a public school, albeit in 1980.

/ I've been a bit skeptical of religion and authority figures since

// Oh and yes, a hearty GFY to you, Mrs. Farr, wherever you are
 
2013-04-26 07:16:19 AM

kxs401: It is a private school, to be fair.



It's a school the way Liberty University is a college.
 
2013-04-26 07:18:02 AM
Ah well, those kids will be working for mine.
 
2013-04-26 07:18:33 AM

TomD9938: Did not read article or thread, but sometimes I think extra-religious people underestimate their God.


They try to turn God into a man with the same limitations as themselves. It's sad, really.
 
2013-04-26 07:21:16 AM
So someone posted it on Reddit, wouldn't give up the school's name and Snopes won't even fully say it's real? Yea I'm not buying it
 
2013-04-26 07:21:39 AM

yoursafewordisharder: CSB time ...
After growing up in New England, my parents briefly moved to Texas when I was in fourth grade. Remember the capitalization quizzes they'd give you in school? I vividly remember getting the following one marked wrong: "Capitalize the correct word(s) in this sentence: 'the indians worshipped many different gods.' " I was docked for not capitalizing the word "gods." When I asked the teacher about this, since I was pretty sure I was right in only capitalizing the word "the", I was called out in front of the class and told "You always capitalize the name of our lord and savior!!" And yes, this was a public school, albeit in 1980.

/ I've been a bit skeptical of religion and authority figures since

// Oh and yes, a hearty GFY to you, Mrs. Farr, wherever you are


yoursafewordisharder: CSB time ...
After growing up in New England, my parents briefly moved to Texas when I was in fourth grade. Remember the capitalization quizzes they'd give you in school? I vividly remember getting the following one marked wrong: "Capitalize the correct word(s) in this sentence: 'the indians worshipped many different gods.' " I was docked for not capitalizing the word "gods." When I asked the teacher about this, since I was pretty sure I was right in only capitalizing the word "the", I was called out in front of the class and told "You always capitalize the name of our lord and savior!!" And yes, this was a public school, albeit in 1980.

/ I've been a bit skeptical of religion and authority figures since

// Oh and yes, a hearty GFY to you, Mrs. Farr, wherever you are


Heh... I think most fundies would say she was wrong, as well. Those indian gods weren't the one true GOD and therefor didn't deserve to be capitalized.

My favorite are the ones who get bent out of shape when someone says something like, "Thanks the gods!" or "The hockey gods are smiling down on the Bruins tonight!". They usually respond with a snarky, "There's only one God!"
 
2013-04-26 07:22:59 AM
Hmmmm... Format fail, there. Apologies.
 
2013-04-26 07:24:55 AM
Tragically, I can confirm this- if not this story, one nearly identical. I went to a small private Christian school for several years (after the year of this story, I got pulled and homeschooled on account of the county school in my area having a mortality rate. College went much better, I'm now an astrophysicist.)

These schools are horribly poorly funded. 10th grade, we had a bible teacher who taught this BS. We were old enough that none of the students took her seriously- but for the sake of an A, would put down whatever answers she wanted, then promptly forget the whole class. Her lessons included bibles on the ark, young earth, and satan owning the radio (something about being "on the air" and him being prince of the powers of it or summat silly).

She only worked there the one year, and for free (she had 2 kids as students, and worked in return for reduced tuition). Dunno if she left or was fired.

We also had a history teacher who taught some insanity, like how Catholics, Orthodox and Anglicans were pagan heretics, not realizing he had a few in his class (me among them).

We also had a physics/math teacher who taught the scientific age of the earth universe and other good stuff, and a bio teacher who taught evolution, and both taught 7 days as a metaphor.

Those two teachers had the students' respect in a way neither of the nutjobs could... And worked there for years after I left.

Catholic schools usually do ok- they have better funding and an interest in not alienating themselves. Micro-private schools, particularly non-denom like mine was, tend to spiral into this kind of stuff. My suspicion is that poor funding leads to either poor schooling, which then attracts the attention of one wealthy nutjob who donated heavily out of a desire to support and spread his nutty ideas. They become dependent on his support and keep teaching the drivel, only better... And poof. You get a whole densely packed bunch of young mixed nuts in a can, because they're young and impressionable, and their parents don't know or don't care what they're being taught.

Luckily, mine did. Kudos to the parent here for the same, if the story is true... And I have no reason to think otherwise.
 
2013-04-26 07:26:54 AM
Well, considering that a liberal TN school is teaching kids that blowing up Israeli teenagers is a good thing, this seems pretty mild, if stupid.
 
2013-04-26 07:27:00 AM

Death Eats a Cracker: EvilPun: grimlock1972: Sadly its this kind of crap why we need federal oversight of education curriculum.

It's a private school so no, they could teach Hitler and Buddah had a gay sex orgy in Guam if they wanted to.

Is that really true?


WERE YOU THERE?!?!
 
2013-04-26 07:27:33 AM

ChubbyTiger: TomD9938: Did not read article or thread, but sometimes I think extra-religious people underestimate their God.

They try to turn God into a man with the same limitations as themselves. It's sad, really.


Well when the all knowing "god" doesn't even know some guys name, he seems pretty limited:

Genesis 32:27
And he [God] said unto him [Jacob], What is thy name?
 
2013-04-26 07:28:27 AM

Thunderpipes: Well, considering that a liberal TN school is teaching kids that blowing up Israeli teenagers is a good thing, this seems pretty mild, if stupid.


zzzzzzzz
 
2013-04-26 07:30:36 AM
When I was in the first grade one of my classmates told me that if ever I didn't know the answer to a science question to just say God made it.  Well alrighty.  A bit later we have a quiz that asks, "How are rainbows made?"  Now I didn't have the foggiest hint of an idea how rainbows were made so you can guess what answer I gave.  Now keep in mind that this was very small-town Texas in the 1960s.  That town had, and still has, more Southern Baptist churches than eating establishments. The teacher marked it wrong!  I couldn't believe it.  My explanation is that she must have been a Yankee married to a soldier at the nearby base.  My Mother wasn't particularly sympathetic to my complaints which tells me simply that in 1969 she hadn't yet started watching that Pat Robertson shiat.
 
2013-04-26 07:31:13 AM
Did I skim over this too fast, or has no one yet invoked the great Bill Hicks clip?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrZcztxRquo

NSFW language (/obvious)
 
2013-04-26 07:33:14 AM
Excellent!  A Fark thread on creationism.  Humanity can FINALLY put this argument behind it after the resident titans of intellect weigh in with their prepared statements.
 
2013-04-26 07:35:17 AM

redundantman: Excellent!  A Fark thread on creationism.  Humanity can FINALLY put this argument behind it after the resident titans of intellect weigh in with their prepared statements.


That has already happened. Creationists are a punchline.
 
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