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(Opposing Views)   Story about man who calls cops when he realizes he can't pay his prostitute makes a lot more sense after this sentence: "Police arrived at the mobile home"   (opposingviews.com) divider line 47
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2013-04-25 07:58:37 PM  
"Police say the man called for help because he feared some kind of retaliation from the woman or her boss."

A hooker who doesn't collect up front does not have a "boss" or enough brains to retaliate.


Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/2013/04/24/4200464/kansas-man-calls-cops-fo r -help.html#storylink=omni_popular#storylink=cpy
 
2013-04-25 09:19:35 PM  
Can they really charge him with patronizing a prostitute if he didn't pay?
 
2013-04-25 09:33:28 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: Can they really charge him with patronizing a prostitute if he didn't pay?


Well, if stupidity were a chargeable offense, I'd have my entire meager portfolio invested in for-profit prisons.
 
2013-04-25 09:45:56 PM  
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2013-04-25 10:14:17 PM  
This must have been the first time for both of them.
 
2013-04-25 10:16:57 PM  

"The man reportedly requested a two-hour session from the pro in question. At the end of the session, he revealed to the woman that he had no money to pay her with. "


If she didn't get the money up front, then she barely qualifies as a "pro". Maybe she's that hooker with a heart of gold who works on the honor system.

 
2013-04-25 10:20:55 PM  
$400 for two hours? That's about 100 times what I'd imagine a typical "Angel of the Trailer Park" would charge. Ya know, "twenty bucks. Same as downtown."
 
2013-04-25 10:29:30 PM  
So if you cant pay your prostitute is it Rape or theft of services?
 
2013-04-25 10:31:42 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: Can they really charge him with patronizing a prostitute if he didn't pay?


I've always wondered why people just don't keep a video camera running and say she's being paid as a porno actress, which, in California at least, apparently isn't prostitution.
 
2013-04-25 10:32:00 PM  

skinink: "The man reportedly requested a two-hour session from the pro in question. At the end of the session, he revealed to the woman that he had no money to pay her with. "
If she didn't get the money up front, then she barely qualifies as a "pro". Maybe she's that hooker with a heart of gold who works on the honor system.


Its even worse because she let that shiat happen in the trailer park.
 
2013-04-25 10:34:03 PM  

Oldiron_79: So if you cant pay your prostitute is it Rape or theft of services?


It's not rape since she consented to have sex with him (even if that consent was based on expecting money for it later) and it can't be theft of services because I don't think you can be charged with theft of something that it's illegal to sell.

This shouldn't be a legal matter at all, other than perhaps charges against her for threatening him.

Though, an interesting twist would be if she claimed that she was just an escort and the money was to pay for her time only, any sexual goings-on being completely unrelated to the proposed monetary transaction.  Then, perhaps, there could be a theft of services angle, though I don't know if that argument would work.
 
2013-04-25 10:36:21 PM  
Does she take payment in the form of cheeseburgers?
 
2013-04-25 10:36:38 PM  
OK fun CSB time.

In my younger days as a Navy guy on a Westpac we made a stop in Thailand. I was young and in love with the harpy that is now my ex-wife and she was the jealous type so I decided I wasn't going to cheat and take the risk of getting caught. However my buddies were either single or not as principled and they all disappeared with hookers so I found myself alone and very drunk after a wild night at closing time on a street of open air bars. at last call I ordered 3 cans of Foster's (Beer snob all you want, it's the only thing you can order West of Hawaii that you know isn't preserved with formaldehyde) so about 3 AM it suddenly penetrates my drunken brain that I am alone in unfamiliar territory and have no idea where my hotel is. I am also nearly broke. I pick up a straggling hooker and tell her the name of my hotel. I get her to take me to it and wait till we are in the lobby to tell her to get lost. I was cursed out in at least 3 languages before security hustled her out.(I was embarrassed to get them involved but I figured if I didn't have an audience the young lady might have had a knife) I felt really bad. If I hadn't blown all my cash I would've tipped her for getting me home without getting rolled. It was a total douche move but it was the only one I had that kept me from getting my skull bashed in.
 
2013-04-25 10:37:16 PM  

WordyGrrl: $400 for two hours? That's about 100 times what I'd imagine a typical "Angel of the Trailer Park" would charge. Ya know, "twenty bucks. Same as downtown."


That's one of my all time favorite jokes.
 
2013-04-25 10:39:23 PM  
Saw my cousin on the local escort site. Thinking of arranging a date with her as I haven't seen her since we were kids.
 
2013-04-25 10:42:30 PM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Saw my cousin on the local escort site. Thinking of arranging a date with her as I haven't seen her since we were kids.


i.imgur.com
 
2013-04-25 10:43:29 PM  

jjorsett: TuteTibiImperes: Can they really charge him with patronizing a prostitute if he didn't pay?

I've always wondered why people just don't keep a video camera running and say she's being paid as a porno actress, which, in California at least, apparently isn't prostitution.


so yah
that would work PERFECTLY
except that most guys would prefer that there NOT be video evidence  .... wives and jobs
except most whores dont want those videos getting out on the web, they have lives too ...

so yah, other than the being able to see your face ....
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
You "accidently" dont have a tape in the old school camera, or the tripod accidently was facing down .....

this could work
LOL
 
2013-04-25 10:45:27 PM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Saw my cousin on the local escort site. Thinking of arranging a date with her as I haven't seen her since we were kids.


Are you a character on Arrested Development, by any chance?
 
2013-04-25 10:45:47 PM  

jjorsett: TuteTibiImperes: Can they really charge him with patronizing a prostitute if he didn't pay?

I've always wondered why people just don't keep a video camera running and say she's being paid as a porno actress, which, in California at least, apparently isn't prostitution.


For that to hold up, there would need to be a release form with real name, address, copy of ID, etc.  Not many prostertutes are going to give that information to a total stranger.  It  should also be witnessed (again with real address and ID) and notarized so there are a couple more people to get involved.  And your production company has the proper licenses, permission, and permits to film at that the Super8, right?
 
2013-04-25 10:50:15 PM  

jtown: jjorsett: TuteTibiImperes: Can they really charge him with patronizing a prostitute if he didn't pay?

I've always wondered why people just don't keep a video camera running and say she's being paid as a porno actress, which, in California at least, apparently isn't prostitution.

For that to hold up, there would need to be a release form with real name, address, copy of ID, etc.  Not many prostertutes are going to give that information to a total stranger.  It  should also be witnessed (again with real address and ID) and notarized so there are a couple more people to get involved.  And your production company has the proper licenses, permission, and permits to film at that the Super8, right?


Thanks a lot there, Buzz McKillington.
 
2013-04-25 10:53:18 PM  
Not quite sure I understand subby's point: are residents of trailer homes really more likely to be deadbeats than, say, residents of fancier homes who are up to their eyeballs in debt? --That being said, however, $400 is far too high a price to pay for what is after all a commodity that is most often given away for free.
 
2013-04-25 10:56:19 PM  

MrEricSir: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Saw my cousin on the local escort site. Thinking of arranging a date with her as I haven't seen her since we were kids.

Are you a character on Arrested Development, by any chance?


Paging BobLaublawsLawBlog to the thread.
 
2013-04-25 10:59:18 PM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Saw my cousin on the local escort site. Thinking of arranging a date with her as I haven't seen her since we were kids.


Kentucky? Checks profile... [Florida]
 
m00
2013-04-25 10:59:25 PM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Saw my cousin on the local escort site. Thinking of arranging a date with her as I haven't seen her since we were kids.


Do it, and tell us how it goes.
 
2013-04-25 11:02:43 PM  

jtown: jjorsett: TuteTibiImperes: Can they really charge him with patronizing a prostitute if he didn't pay?

I've always wondered why people just don't keep a video camera running and say she's being paid as a porno actress, which, in California at least, apparently isn't prostitution.

For that to hold up, there would need to be a release form with real name, address, copy of ID, etc.  Not many prostertutes are going to give that information to a total stranger.  It  should also be witnessed (again with real address and ID) and notarized so there are a couple more people to get involved.  And your production company has the proper licenses, permission, and permits to film at that the Super8, right?


sure
but what if it were for a contest
a who wants to be a porn start contest ...

and technically, the whores would form their own production company, and their "partner" notarize
but yah
in the end names and ids .....
 
2013-04-25 11:33:13 PM  
i'm lonely, have $20, and looking for a party

:(
 
2013-04-25 11:39:13 PM  

m00: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Saw my cousin on the local escort site. Thinking of arranging a date with her as I haven't seen her since we were kids.

Do it, and tell us how it goes.


She'll probably get pissed off and whup his ass... that's how I figure it'll go. But seriously, you really need to think about what "element" you are inviting into your home. At least, if he does do it, he should rent a room first to insulate himself from her "friends".
 
2013-04-25 11:44:17 PM  
The best things in life are free.  Try explaining that to an angry prostitute.
 
2013-04-25 11:48:54 PM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Saw my cousin on the local escort site. Thinking of arranging a date with her as I haven't seen her since we were kids.


links or it didnt happen
 
2013-04-25 11:59:04 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: Oldiron_79: So if you cant pay your prostitute is it Rape or theft of services?

It's not rape since she consented to have sex with him (even if that consent was based on expecting money for it later) and it can't be theft of services because I don't think you can be charged with theft of something that it's illegal to sell.

This shouldn't be a legal matter at all, other than perhaps charges against her for threatening him.

Though, an interesting twist would be if she claimed that she was just an escort and the money was to pay for her time only, any sexual goings-on being completely unrelated to the proposed monetary transaction.  Then, perhaps, there could be a theft of services angle, though I don't know if that argument would work.


Texas statute covering this makes no mention if the service has to be a legal service. May be something else somewhere else or case law covering this but at face value it is Theft of Services.
I am not an attorney... not even on the internet.

§ 31.04. THEFT OF SERVICE. (a) A person commits theft of service if, with intent to avoid payment for service that he knows is provided only for compensation: (1) he intentionally or knowingly secures performance of the service by deception, threat, or false token; (2) having control over the disposition of services of another to which he is not entitled, he intentionally or knowingly diverts the other's services to his own benefit or to the benefit of another not entitled to them; (3) having control of personal property under a written rental agreement, he holds the property beyond the expiration of the rental period without the effective consent of the owner of the property, thereby depriving the owner of the property of its use in further rentals; or (4) he intentionally or knowingly secures the performance of the service by agreeing to provide compensation and, after the service is rendered, fails to make payment after receiving notice demanding payment. (b) For purposes of this section, intent to avoid payment is presumed if: (1) the actor absconded without paying for the service or expressly refused to pay for the service in circumstances where payment is ordinarily made immediately upon rendering of the service, as in hotels, campgrounds, recreational vehicle parks, restaurants, and comparable establishments; (2) the actor failed to make payment under a service agreement within 10 days after receiving notice demanding payment; (3) the actor returns property held under a rental agreement after the expiration of the rental agreement and fails to pay the applicable rental charge for the property within 10 days after the date on which the actor received notice demanding payment; or (4) the actor failed to return the property held under a rental agreement: (A) within five days after receiving notice demanding return, if the property is valued at less than $1,500; or (B) within three days after receiving notice demanding return, if the property is valued at $1,500 or more. (c) For purposes of Subsections (a)(4), (b)(2), and (b)(4), notice shall be notice in writing, sent by registered or certified mail with return receipt requested or by telegram with report of delivery requested, and addressed to the actor at his address shown on the rental agreement or service agreement. (d) If written notice is given in accordance with Subsection (c), it is presumed that the notice was received no later than five days after it was sent. (e) An offense under this section is: (1) a Class C misdemeanor if the value of the service stolen is less than $20; (2) a Class B misdemeanor if the value of the service stolen is $20 or more but less than $500; (3) a Class A misdemeanor if the value of the service stolen is $500 or more but less than $1,500; (4) a state jail felony if the value of the service stolen is $1,500 or more but less than $20,000; (5) a felony of the third degree if the value of the service stolen is $20,000 or more but less than $100,000; (6) a felony of the second degree if the value of the service stolen is $100,000 or more but less than $200,000; or (7) a felony of the first degree if the value of the service stolen is $200,000 or more. (f) Notwithstanding any other provision of this code, any police or other report of stolen vehicles by a political subdivision of this state shall include on the report any rental vehicles whose renters have been shown to such reporting agency to be in violation of Subsection (b)(2) and shall indicate that the renting agency has complied with the notice requirements demanding return as provided in this section. (g) It is a defense to prosecution under this section that: (1) the defendant secured the performance of the service by giving a post-dated check or similar sight order to the person performing the service; and (2) the person performing the service or any other person presented the check or sight order for payment before the date on the check or sight order.
 
2013-04-26 12:10:26 AM  

WordyGrrl: $400 for two hours? That's about 100 times what I'd imagine a typical "Angel of the Trailer Park" would charge. Ya know, "twenty bucks. Same as downtown."


So, how long have you been undercharging for?
 
2013-04-26 12:25:54 AM  
101 problems
 
2013-04-26 12:31:47 AM  
Is it illegal is he never intended to pay her for sex?

Paying for sex is illegal, so no enforceable contract could exist, and if he was definitely lying about paying in his mind, then no crime, right?

CaptSS: Texas statute covering this makes no mention if the service has to be a legal service.


It's basic contract common law. A contract that requires a party to violate the law to fulfill the contract is void. The statute doesn't mention it because it's sh*t lawyers should know before they even apply to law school.
 
2013-04-26 12:33:17 AM  
Let me tell ya a story 'buut a man named Jed,
Broke trailer trash but he really wanted head,
Then one day after linin' up a ho,
He told her "I can't pay ya cuz I'm really, really po'."

/sorry
 
2013-04-26 01:09:50 AM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Saw my cousin on the local escort site. Thinking of arranging a date with her as I haven't seen her since we were kids.


How much is she?
 
2013-04-26 01:19:02 AM  
FTFA: The man reportedly requested a two-hour session from the pro in question. At the end of the session, he revealed to the woman that he had no money to pay her with.

So why didn't he just offer to pay her with sex--?

Oh.

Okay. I see the problem.
 
2013-04-26 01:20:42 AM  
Don't be a snob, subby. Running a business out of a trailer is a great way to reduce costs, allowing her to pass on her savings to her customers.
 
2013-04-26 01:24:30 AM  

skinink: "The man reportedly requested a two-hour session from the pro in question. At the end of the session, he revealed to the woman that he had no money to pay her with. "
If she didn't get the money up front, then she barely qualifies as a "pro". Maybe she's that hooker with a heart of gold who works on the honor system.


It must be her first day after graduating Hooker U. but not at the top of the class.
 
2013-04-26 01:43:16 AM  

skinink: "The man reportedly requested a two-hour session from the pro in question. At the end of the session, he revealed to the woman that he had no money to pay her with. "
If she didn't get the money up front, then she barely qualifies as a "pro". Maybe she's that hooker with a heart of gold who works on the honor system.



I thought it was called 'on the knees' system.
 
2013-04-26 02:11:16 AM  
I didn't know that like she was a prostitoque, eh.djiqd110ru30i.cloudfront.net
 
2013-04-26 02:14:13 AM  
Poor thing.

He screws her physically
He screws her financially
He screws her legally

I call that a royal fark-up
 
2013-04-26 03:26:48 AM  

serialsuicidebomber: skinink: "The man reportedly requested a two-hour session from the pro in question. At the end of the session, he revealed to the woman that he had no money to pay her with. "
If she didn't get the money up front, then she barely qualifies as a "pro". Maybe she's that hooker with a heart of gold who works on the honor system.


I thought it was called 'on the knees' system.


I'm pretty sure you meant the 'Honor' Knees Program.


/how did you mess that up?
 
2013-04-26 03:45:46 AM  
No shoplifting charges?
 
2013-04-26 04:35:47 AM  
I thought the proper etiquette was to kill a prostitute if you couldn't afford to pay them?
 
2013-04-26 04:42:53 AM  

EvilRacistNaziFascist: Not quite sure I understand subby's point: are residents of trailer homes really more likely to be deadbeats than, say, residents of fancier homes who are up to their eyeballs in debt? --That being said, however, $400 is far too high a price to pay for what is after all a commodity that is most often given away for free.


Are you high? The odds get you robbed by a prettier girl at that rate, no drugs involved.
 
2013-04-26 11:49:18 AM  

Fark Me To Tears: Don't be a snob, subby. Running a business out of a trailer is a great way to reduce costs, allowing her to pass on her savings to her customers.


You sound Keynesian.
 
2013-04-26 12:57:05 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: Can they really charge him with patronizing a prostitute if he didn't pay?


Maybe rape?
 
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