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2013-04-25 10:32:20 PM
2 votes:
I know this is Fark, and all...
It saddens me greatly that there is such desperation in this world that some feel so compelled to go to such lengths to escape their situation.
2013-04-25 10:02:38 PM
2 votes:
i291.photobucket.com

It's the only way to fly.....
2013-04-25 09:44:50 PM
2 votes:
I'd like to know the make of his mobile phone.
2013-04-25 09:33:41 PM
2 votes:

gja: thisisyourbrainonFark: gja: 60f to 70f below zero, and virtually NO O2 to speak of = fairly agonizing death via hypoxia and hypothermia.


"Darwin knocked, and he answered the door"

Would think shock would kick in pretty quickly.

Once it makes cruising alt., yes. The initial climb will be probably to FL310 or 320... climbing later to 350, 360 or 370. (FL310=31k feet)
That takes some 30+ minutes.
Plenty of time to reflect on the poor choice they have made as they realize the folly of their actions. Those last 10k feet of ascend will see them unconscious, then dead. But the 20k+ leading up to it? Hell, sheer hell.




See, you're making a mistake here. You're assuming that he would lose consciousness at about the same time a mountain climber would. It doesn't work that way. If you loaded a climber on some sort of aircraft and dropped him at the top of Everest after a 30 minute ascent from the base with no O2, he'd be dead before you could land the aircraft. Climbers spend days or weeks acclimating to the alt change. This guy didn't.

I see you throwing references to flight levels in your post. If you're really a pilot or crew member, reference some FAA literature on the dangers of hypoxia. They recommend O2 on any flight above 12,500 MSL assuming a take off from near sea level. There are these nifty charts and everything outlining your expected length of consciousness at various altitudes. I can post them if you wish to double down on your wrongness.

TL;DR:
You're wrongedy wrong wrong. Dude was out before that plane hit FL300.
2013-04-25 09:15:42 PM
2 votes:
You don't need a parachute to skydive, you only need a parachute to skydive twice.
2013-04-25 08:27:01 PM
2 votes:

Bomb Mecca: At some point wanting a better life isn't a good enough excuse for illegal immigration. Overpopulation is one of the worst things that can happen to a country or an environment. Illegal immigration from the turd world into the first is one of the quickest ways to get their.

/cue the tears from liberals


Don't worry so much. The Republican war machine is busy depopulating areas on the other side of the world just for you precious.
2013-04-26 06:21:20 AM
1 votes:

Bomb Mecca: At some point wanting a better life isn't a good enough excuse for illegal immigration. Overpopulation is one of the worst things that can happen to a country or an environment. Illegal immigration from the turd world into the first is one of the quickest ways to get their.

/cue the tears from liberals


Wanting a better life isn't an excuse, it's the reason.

/knows English and logic isn't the strong subject of wanna be conservatives, who can't manage anything but derp.
2013-04-26 12:30:12 AM
1 votes:
s13.postimg.org

Feb 1970, Kid Falls From Plane [Pic]. 14-year-old Keith Sapsford hid in a plane`s wheel well and fell out during take off. An amateur photog took the pic.

Sad
2013-04-25 10:53:21 PM
1 votes:

FARK rebel soldier: Pribar: I once was on a flight that actually voted to reroute to another airfield after we boarded

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Wat.


It was a flight that was supposed to be from Masasi Airport to Kilwa Masoko, after we boarded the other passengers (locals) started talking amongst themselves then they shouted something to the captain, who poked his head back into the cabin and asked something (I only speak english and that not too well) everyone else nodded and smiled so he gave a thumbs up and went back into the cockpit, well when we landed I found myself in Mtwara, when I complained I was told the other passengers had voted to fly there and I was out of luck. I ended up catching another flight to Kilwa Masoko which thankfully actually landed there.
2013-04-25 10:48:04 PM
1 votes:

cman: Jesus Christ

This is an article about a stowaway and even it boiled down to a left v right biatch fight in this thread.

WTF guys? Why cant we be normal people?


Not to sound childish, but it was one particular asshole that started it. Decent Farkers leave the politics in the appropriate tab, or at least don't stir the sh*t on purpose.
2013-04-25 10:35:16 PM
1 votes:
Re:  gja

I'm gonna let this drop because neither of us truly know.  The only way to be sure would be to experience it and fark that.  I dont wanna die anytime soon even if its dozing off to no dream land.

There have been instances of survival up to FL300+ but those are very very rare and they are all due to being knocked out (hypoxia) then brought down to hypothermic temperatures to prevent brain damage.

I'm willing to concede he MAY have been alert enough to realize what was happening to him.  That is a long shot though, in my opinion.  Your opinion differs and that's ok.
2013-04-25 10:25:29 PM
1 votes:
Long way to go to have AC
gja [TotalFark]
2013-04-25 10:20:52 PM
1 votes:

armypilot: gja: tuna fingers: armypilot: gja: 60f to 70f below zero, and virtually NO O2 to speak of = fairly agonizing death via hypoxia and hypothermia.


"Darwin knocked, and he answered the door"

If by agonizing, you meant euphoric, pleasantly buzzed, confident, comfortable, and all around awesome feeling, until he went to sleep, then yes.  I'm sure it was fairly agonizing.

Yeah, I'm gonna agree with armypilot on this one.  That's what I think too., he'd simply pass out some time during ascent.

At some point, yes. But.....the skin temp of the airframe due to friction in flight produces a heating effect that significantly alters the environment of places like the wheel wells. I saw rises of up to 35oF assuming FL340 and KTAS of approx 490kt's.

The euphoria certainly will come, followed by the perm-a-napTM
But not before the person has a chance to freak completely and totally out as they see the method of, and inevitability of, their death.
That's decidedly NOT pleasant.

It's not a function of temperature but of O2 molecules/square inch.

Dude, based on the info you're posting, you HAVE to know the judgmental effects hypoxia presents. By the time he reached cruising alt, if he was even alive, he would already be too stupid to count to 10.
Check out AC61-107A, page 13. It has useful consciousness times based on a standard ascent. At FL180, you have about 20 minutes. This drops to 1-2 min at FL300 and 30-60 seconds at FL350.

You keep acting like he would have had the ability to think clearly until he dropped dead. You stop feeling pain or worry or concern way before that in a climb.
This includes an early decompression but the concept is the same.

Link


I understand what you are saying, but when you hitDisturbance Stage (15,000-20,000 ft.) you are still somewhat with it. Anyone WILL have judgemental and performance failure, but not before some real pain sets in. In ways hopefully none of us will ever know.

Let's not forget, this person is not burdened with effective performance, they are just hanging on for dear life. So there is a conservation of resources and a survival focus that tends to produce a longer time to FW.

And it's damned cold, and it hurts like unholy hell-on-earth. True,it's only going to last about 10 or so minutes for the average human (chart datum bears that out), but I damn sure wouldn't wanna be that human. Would you?
2013-04-25 10:10:58 PM
1 votes:
Most aircraft don't have enough extra room in the wheel wells.

Squash
2013-04-25 10:07:50 PM
1 votes:

gja: tuna fingers: armypilot: gja: 60f to 70f below zero, and virtually NO O2 to speak of = fairly agonizing death via hypoxia and hypothermia.


"Darwin knocked, and he answered the door"

If by agonizing, you meant euphoric, pleasantly buzzed, confident, comfortable, and all around awesome feeling, until he went to sleep, then yes.  I'm sure it was fairly agonizing.

Yeah, I'm gonna agree with armypilot on this one.  That's what I think too., he'd simply pass out some time during ascent.

At some point, yes. But.....the skin temp of the airframe due to friction in flight produces a heating effect that significantly alters the environment of places like the wheel wells. I saw rises of up to 35oF assuming FL340 and KTAS of approx 490kt's.

The euphoria certainly will come, followed by the perm-a-napTM
But not before the person has a chance to freak completely and totally out as they see the method of, and inevitability of, their death.
That's decidedly NOT pleasant.




It's not a function of temperature but of O2 molecules/square inch.

Dude, based on the info you're posting, you HAVE to know the judgmental effects hypoxia presents. By the time he reached cruising alt, if he was even alive, he would already be too stupid to count to 10.
Check out AC61-107A, page 13. It has useful consciousness times based on a standard ascent. At FL180, you have about 20 minutes. This drops to 1-2 min at FL300 and 30-60 seconds at FL350.

You keep acting like he would have had the ability to think clearly until he dropped dead. You stop feeling pain or worry or concern way before that in a climb.
This includes an early decompression but the concept is the same.

Link
gja [TotalFark]
2013-04-25 09:56:38 PM
1 votes:

armypilot: gja: thisisyourbrainonFark: gja: 60f to 70f below zero, and virtually NO O2 to speak of = fairly agonizing death via hypoxia and hypothermia.


"Darwin knocked, and he answered the door"

Would think shock would kick in pretty quickly.

Once it makes cruising alt., yes. The initial climb will be probably to FL310 or 320... climbing later to 350, 360 or 370. (FL310=31k feet)
That takes some 30+ minutes.
Plenty of time to reflect on the poor choice they have made as they realize the folly of their actions. Those last 10k feet of ascend will see them unconscious, then dead. But the 20k+ leading up to it? Hell, sheer hell.

See, you're making a mistake here. You're assuming that he would lose consciousness at about the same time a mountain climber would. It doesn't work that way. If you loaded a climber on some sort of aircraft and dropped him at the top of Everest after a 30 minute ascent from the base with no O2, he'd be dead before you could land the aircraft. Climbers spend days or weeks acclimating to the alt change. This guy didn't.

I see you throwing references to flight levels in your post. If you're really a pilot or crew member, reference some FAA literature on the dangers of hypoxia. They recommend O2 on any flight above 12,500 MSL assuming a take off from near sea level. There are these nifty charts and everything outlining your expected length of consciousness at various altitudes. I can post them if you wish to double down on your wrongness.

TL;DR:
You're wrongedy wrong wrong. Dude was out before that plane hit FL300.


Altitude in Time of Useful ConsciousnessAltitude in metersAltitude in feetFL 15030 min or more4,572 m15,000FL 18020 to 30 min5,486 m18,000FL 2205-10 min6,705 m22,000FL 2503 to 6 min7,620 m25,000FL 2802.5 to 3 mins8,534 m28,000FL 3001 to 3 mins9,144 m30,000FL 35030 sec to 60 sec10,668 m35,000FL 40015 to 20 sec12,192 m40,000FL 4309 to 15 sec13,106 m43,000FL 500 and above6 to 9 sec15,240 m50,000You need to stop going by FAA mandates designed for safety/security.
Remember, a commercial airliner is NOT pressurized to Sea-level, but approx 4500-6900 feet of ALT.
The above table is from the FAA KB's available freely to all who want them.
The need for AVAILABLE supplemental above 12.5 is merely a mandated safety measure.
2013-04-25 09:54:00 PM
1 votes:

cman: Jesus Christ

This is an article about a stowaway and even it boiled down to a left v right biatch fight in this thread.

WTF guys? Why cant we be normal people?


I'm just wondering where all these sleeper trolls are coming from. BM has been here since 2007 but I've never seen him derp it up until today? The hell, man.
2013-04-25 09:43:50 PM
1 votes:
He was lucky to be upgraded to Wheel Well Plus.
gja [TotalFark]
2013-04-25 09:40:45 PM
1 votes:

tuna fingers: armypilot: gja: 60f to 70f below zero, and virtually NO O2 to speak of = fairly agonizing death via hypoxia and hypothermia.


"Darwin knocked, and he answered the door"

If by agonizing, you meant euphoric, pleasantly buzzed, confident, comfortable, and all around awesome feeling, until he went to sleep, then yes.  I'm sure it was fairly agonizing.

Yeah, I'm gonna agree with armypilot on this one.  That's what I think too., he'd simply pass out some time during ascent.


At some point, yes. But.....the skin temp of the airframe due to friction in flight produces a heating effect that significantly alters the environment of places like the wheel wells. I saw rises of up to 35oF assuming FL340 and KTAS of approx 490kt's.

The euphoria certainly will come, followed by the perm-a-napTM
But not before the person has a chance to freak completely and totally out as they see the method of, and inevitability of, their death.
That's decidedly NOT pleasant.
2013-04-25 09:32:20 PM
1 votes:
This happened about a dozen years ago on a flight from Trinidad to Toronto, except the external passengers didn't fall out. They (two, I believe) were frozen solid wrapped around the landing gear. I guess if you live in the tropics and with little education, it is unlikely you can grasp the concept of how cold it gets up there, no matter how hot it is down there.
gja [TotalFark]
2013-04-25 09:21:25 PM
1 votes:

thisisyourbrainonFark: gja: 60f to 70f below zero, and virtually NO O2 to speak of = fairly agonizing death via hypoxia and hypothermia.


"Darwin knocked, and he answered the door"

Would think shock would kick in pretty quickly.


Once it makes cruising alt., yes. The initial climb will be probably to FL310 or 320... climbing later to 350, 360 or 370. (FL310=31k feet)
That takes some 30+ minutes.
Plenty of time to reflect on the poor choice they have made as they realize the folly of their actions. Those last 10k feet of ascend will see them unconscious, then dead. But the 20k+ leading up to it? Hell, sheer hell.
2013-04-25 09:18:53 PM
1 votes:

gja: 60f to 70f below zero, and virtually NO O2 to speak of = fairly agonizing death via hypoxia and hypothermia.


This guy likely lost consciousness much sooner than dying.
2013-04-25 09:09:10 PM
1 votes:

cheeseaholic: Bomb Mecca: Ronin_S: If you're desperate enough to sneak into an airplane landing gear to a country, you'd be willing to work really hard and keep your nose clean.

Yes but the point is the country was more empty back then, and now has a lot of people that generate metric ass loads of pollution and adding more people to that population is not a good thing no matter how clean their noses are. It is unsustainable, populations should be allowed to shrink, less competition for dwindling resources is a good thing.

Africa needs more workhouses and prisons as well as decreasing the surplus population.

/Actually that wouldn't hurt.  They need more of just about everything.


They need birth control and more equitable treatment for women, because studies have shown that fertility rates drop like a rock when a country gets those things. But I guess we can't because reproductive rights make baby Jesus cry.
2013-04-25 08:47:29 PM
1 votes:

Nothing To See Here: Would he have bounced if he was Czech . . .


How about a bad Czech? They bounce . . .
2013-04-25 08:44:59 PM
1 votes:
Jesus Christ

This is an article about a stowaway and even it boiled down to a left v right biatch fight in this thread.

WTF guys? Why cant we be normal people?
2013-04-25 08:44:46 PM
1 votes:
Coroner Dr Sean Cummings recorded a verdict of accidental death.

Mr coroner, I think you meant to say:
"Coroner Dr Sean Cummings recorded a verdict of stupidity death."
2013-04-25 08:38:44 PM
1 votes:

Mock26: Good.


Afraid he would take your McJob, Chicago Troll?
2013-04-25 08:37:02 PM
1 votes:

abhorrent1: How the fark do these people get out on the tarmac and climb up a planes landing gear without anyone seeing them?


He did it at night?

Also: "These people"? C'mon, that's racist.
2013-04-25 08:34:37 PM
1 votes:
Meh...most of them make it.  Just show up on a tourist visa...lose your passport and disappear.

nimg.sulekha.com
2013-04-25 08:29:57 PM
1 votes:
Body fell in Mortlake? Apropos.
2013-04-25 08:28:22 PM
1 votes:

Bomb Mecca: turd world ...get their.



Really?

Get their what?
gja [TotalFark]
2013-04-25 08:26:45 PM
1 votes:
60f to 70f below zero, and virtually NO O2 to speak of = fairly agonizing death via hypoxia and hypothermia.


"Darwin knocked, and he answered the door"
2013-04-25 08:25:58 PM
1 votes:
While searching for a pic of that scene where Arnold jumps off the planes landing gear in "Commando" I came across this thread from last year.

Body falls from plane onto car in London. No word on whether the bunny was put back in the box

Apparently this isn't uncommon.
2013-04-25 08:23:58 PM
1 votes:
I guess it would be politically incorrect to point out that this guy was a idiot?
2013-04-25 07:50:47 PM
1 votes:
 
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