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2013-04-25 07:50:47 PM
 
2013-04-25 08:08:47 PM
Hakuna Matada?
media.tumblr.com
 
2013-04-25 08:16:39 PM
Lack of common sense and planning may be what was holding this guy back. Not necessarily living in Africa.
 
2013-04-25 08:18:45 PM
Well, at least his problems are solved.
 
2013-04-25 08:20:16 PM
How the fark do these people get out on the tarmac and climb up a planes landing gear without anyone seeing them?
 
2013-04-25 08:21:59 PM

AverageAmericanGuy: Lack of common sense and planning may be what was holding this guy back. Not necessarily living in Africa.


These things may be more closely related than you suspect.
 
2013-04-25 08:22:02 PM

cman: First thing I thought of when I saw that headline


Chocolate Rain?
 
2013-04-25 08:23:01 PM
Good.
 
2013-04-25 08:23:58 PM
At some point wanting a better life isn't a good enough excuse for illegal immigration. Overpopulation is one of the worst things that can happen to a country or an environment. Illegal immigration from the turd world into the first is one of the quickest ways to get their.

/cue the tears from liberals
 
2013-04-25 08:23:58 PM
I guess it would be politically incorrect to point out that this guy was a idiot?
 
2013-04-25 08:25:58 PM
While searching for a pic of that scene where Arnold jumps off the planes landing gear in "Commando" I came across this thread from last year.

Body falls from plane onto car in London. No word on whether the bunny was put back in the box

Apparently this isn't uncommon.
 
gja [TotalFark]
2013-04-25 08:26:45 PM
60f to 70f below zero, and virtually NO O2 to speak of = fairly agonizing death via hypoxia and hypothermia.


"Darwin knocked, and he answered the door"
 
2013-04-25 08:27:01 PM

Bomb Mecca: At some point wanting a better life isn't a good enough excuse for illegal immigration. Overpopulation is one of the worst things that can happen to a country or an environment. Illegal immigration from the turd world into the first is one of the quickest ways to get their.

/cue the tears from liberals


Don't worry so much. The Republican war machine is busy depopulating areas on the other side of the world just for you precious.
 
2013-04-25 08:28:09 PM

alklloyd: I guess it would be politically incorrect to point out that this guy was a idiot?


not at all
 
gja [TotalFark]
2013-04-25 08:28:14 PM

Mock26: Good.


i.qkme.me
 
2013-04-25 08:28:22 PM

Bomb Mecca: turd world ...get their.



Really?

Get their what?
 
2013-04-25 08:28:36 PM
userserve-ak.last.fm
 
2013-04-25 08:29:57 PM
Body fell in Mortlake? Apropos.
 
2013-04-25 08:30:26 PM

gja: 60f to 70f below zero, and virtually NO O2 to speak of = fairly agonizing death via hypoxia and hypothermia.


"Darwin knocked, and he answered the door"


Would think shock would kick in pretty quickly.
 
2013-04-25 08:33:44 PM
If he was still alive (which I doubt) hitting the ground was probably a relief.
 
2013-04-25 08:34:37 PM
Meh...most of them make it.  Just show up on a tourist visa...lose your passport and disappear.

nimg.sulekha.com
 
2013-04-25 08:35:44 PM

fusillade762: While searching for a pic of that scene where Arnold jumps off the planes landing gear in "Commando" I came across this thread from last year.

Body falls from plane onto car in London. No word on whether the bunny was put back in the box

Apparently this isn't uncommon.


same story.. today's article is a followup (positive ID)
 
2013-04-25 08:36:48 PM
img823.imageshack.us
 
2013-04-25 08:37:02 PM

abhorrent1: How the fark do these people get out on the tarmac and climb up a planes landing gear without anyone seeing them?


He did it at night?

Also: "These people"? C'mon, that's racist.
 
2013-04-25 08:38:00 PM
Would he have bounced if he was Czech . . .
 
2013-04-25 08:38:29 PM

Bomb Mecca: At some point wanting a better life isn't a good enough excuse for illegal immigration. Overpopulation is one of the worst things that can happen to a country or an environment. Illegal immigration from the turd world into the first is one of the quickest ways to get their.

/cue the tears from liberals


Why would you being an idiot make liberals cry?

/Your fark handle is just so edgy.  Did you think of it yourself or did your mom help?
 
2013-04-25 08:38:44 PM

Mock26: Good.


Afraid he would take your McJob, Chicago Troll?
 
2013-04-25 08:40:17 PM
From that altitude, it's a good way to make an impression . . .
 
2013-04-25 08:42:12 PM

Bomb Mecca: At some point wanting a better life isn't a good enough excuse for illegal immigration. Overpopulation is one of the worst things that can happen to a country or an environment. Illegal immigration from the turd world into the first is one of the quickest ways to get their.

/cue the tears from liberals


I heard they're going to start putting these in the wheel wells.

autos.sympatico.ca
 
2013-04-25 08:42:52 PM

thisisyourbrainonFark: gja: 60f to 70f below zero, and virtually NO O2 to speak of = fairly agonizing death via hypoxia and hypothermia.


"Darwin knocked, and he answered the door"

Would think shock would kick in pretty quickly.


If it's anything like running out of O2 on Everest, you don't pass out and you hyperventilate until your diaphragm is exhausted.
 
2013-04-25 08:43:00 PM
The white zone is for immediateloading and unloading of passengersonly. There is no stopping in the red zone.
 
2013-04-25 08:44:46 PM
Coroner Dr Sean Cummings recorded a verdict of accidental death.

Mr coroner, I think you meant to say:
"Coroner Dr Sean Cummings recorded a verdict of stupidity death."
 
2013-04-25 08:44:59 PM
Jesus Christ

This is an article about a stowaway and even it boiled down to a left v right biatch fight in this thread.

WTF guys? Why cant we be normal people?
 
2013-04-25 08:45:57 PM

cman: First thing I thought of when I saw that headline


Schizophrenia can be nasty. That was probably a suicide from the victim's point of view.
 
2013-04-25 08:46:46 PM

Harbinger of the Doomed Rat: Why would you being an idiot make liberals cry?

/Your fark handle is just so edgy. Did you think of it yourself or did your mom help?


Shirely your not serious; me being and idiot has nothing to do with liberals crying, they are always crying. My mom says my handle is cool, which is more than I can say for yours'.

/still don't think we need to care about someone dying whilst breaking the law
 
2013-04-25 08:47:10 PM

cman: Jesus Christ

This is an article about a stowaway and even it boiled down to a left v right biatch fight in this thread.

WTF guys? Why cant we be normal people?


Please state your political affiliation so we can properly insult you.
 
2013-04-25 08:47:29 PM

Nothing To See Here: Would he have bounced if he was Czech . . .


How about a bad Czech? They bounce . . .
 
2013-04-25 08:48:11 PM

gja: 60f to 70f below zero, and virtually NO O2 to speak of = fairly agonizing death via hypoxia and hypothermia.


"Darwin knocked, and he answered the door"


If by agonizing, you meant euphoric, pleasantly buzzed, confident, comfortable, and all around awesome feeling, until he went to sleep, then yes.  I'm sure it was fairly agonizing.
 
2013-04-25 08:49:02 PM
He would have also have wanted some air tanks and a jacket too.

gja: 60f to 70f below zero, and virtually NO O2 to speak of = fairly agonizing death via hypoxia and hypothermia.


"Darwin knocked, and he answered the door"


Odds are he was crushed by the landing gear before that happened.

I bet all of you geniuses derping on about illegal immigration are not descended from Native Americans. Most of my ancestors came here legally within the last 1-2 generations, when all you needed to do was fill out a form and not the tonnes of paperwork plus assessments required today. If you're desperate enough to sneak into an airplane landing gear to a country, you'd be willing to work really hard and keep your nose clean.
 
2013-04-25 08:50:45 PM

armypilot: gja: 60f to 70f below zero, and virtually NO O2 to speak of = fairly agonizing death via hypoxia and hypothermia.


"Darwin knocked, and he answered the door"

If by agonizing, you meant euphoric, pleasantly buzzed, confident, comfortable, and all around awesome feeling, until he went to sleep, then yes.  I'm sure it was fairly agonizing.


 That's cold Dude
 
2013-04-25 08:54:28 PM
If you adjust for wind direction, turbulence etc, it's actually not that difficult to jump from a plane. The documentary 'Commando' shows how easily it could be done.

v025o.popscreen.com
3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-04-25 08:55:11 PM

Nothing To See Here: The white zone is for immediateloading and unloading of passengersonly. There is no stopping in the red zone.


Listen Betty, don't start up with your white zone shiat again.
i2.ytimg.com
 
2013-04-25 08:55:22 PM

Ronin_S: If you're desperate enough to sneak into an airplane landing gear to a country, you'd be willing to work really hard and keep your nose clean.


Yes but the point is the country was more empty back then, and now has a lot of people that generate metric ass loads of pollution and adding more people to that population is not a good thing no matter how clean their noses are. It is unsustainable, populations should be allowed to shrink, less competition for dwindling resources is a good thing.
 
2013-04-25 08:56:05 PM

fusillade762: While searching for a pic of that scene where Arnold jumps off the planes landing gear in "Commando" I came across this thread from last year.

Body falls from plane onto car in London. No word on whether the bunny was put back in the box

Apparently this isn't uncommon.


v025o.popscreen.com
 
2013-04-25 08:56:27 PM

Nothing To See Here: armypilot: gja: 60f to 70f below zero, and virtually NO O2 to speak of = fairly agonizing death via hypoxia and hypothermia.


"Darwin knocked, and he answered the door"


If by agonizing, you meant euphoric, pleasantly buzzed, confident, comfortable, and all around awesome feeling, until he went to sleep, then yes.  I'm sure it was fairly agonizing.


 That's cold Dude


He wouldn't have been alive nearly long enough for the cold to get him at that altitude. 35,000 feet = 30 to 60 seconds of consciousness if you explosively decompressed. He would've started loosing consciousness after the plane passed 12,500.

 
2013-04-25 08:57:22 PM

GungFu: If you adjust for wind direction, turbulence etc, it's actually not that difficult to jump from a plane. The documentary 'Commando' shows how easily it could be done.

[v025o.popscreen.com image 480x360]
[3.bp.blogspot.com image 477x268]


While wearing a suit, no less.
 
2013-04-25 08:58:16 PM

abhorrent1: How the fark do these people get out on the tarmac and climb up a planes landing gear without anyone seeing them?


I have never had the pleasure of flying out of Luanda airport (Angolas international airport) but if it is like most African airfields then you have commercial, private and sometimes military all sharing the same facilities, security is lax unless VIPs or a threat is present, and even then security can be haphazard, several  airports I have been to had no perimeter fences at all, others had fences but would let anyone wander in. It was always an adventure flying over there, I once was on a flight that actually voted to reroute to another airfield after we boarded
 
2013-04-25 08:58:35 PM
Also, he wanted Bennett to let off some steam.
 
2013-04-25 09:02:24 PM
 
2013-04-25 09:02:31 PM

Bomb Mecca: Ronin_S: If you're desperate enough to sneak into an airplane landing gear to a country, you'd be willing to work really hard and keep your nose clean.

Yes but the point is the country was more empty back then, and now has a lot of people that generate metric ass loads of pollution and adding more people to that population is not a good thing no matter how clean their noses are. It is unsustainable, populations should be allowed to shrink, less competition for dwindling resources is a good thing.


Africa needs more workhouses and prisons as well as decreasing the surplus population.

/Actually that wouldn't hurt.  They need more of just about everything.
 
2013-04-25 09:09:10 PM

cheeseaholic: Bomb Mecca: Ronin_S: If you're desperate enough to sneak into an airplane landing gear to a country, you'd be willing to work really hard and keep your nose clean.

Yes but the point is the country was more empty back then, and now has a lot of people that generate metric ass loads of pollution and adding more people to that population is not a good thing no matter how clean their noses are. It is unsustainable, populations should be allowed to shrink, less competition for dwindling resources is a good thing.

Africa needs more workhouses and prisons as well as decreasing the surplus population.

/Actually that wouldn't hurt.  They need more of just about everything.


They need birth control and more equitable treatment for women, because studies have shown that fertility rates drop like a rock when a country gets those things. But I guess we can't because reproductive rights make baby Jesus cry.
 
2013-04-25 09:14:28 PM

armypilot: gja: 60f to 70f below zero, and virtually NO O2 to speak of = fairly agonizing death via hypoxia and hypothermia.


"Darwin knocked, and he answered the door"

If by agonizing, you meant euphoric, pleasantly buzzed, confident, comfortable, and all around awesome feeling, until he went to sleep, then yes.  I'm sure it was fairly agonizing.


Yeah, I'm gonna agree with armypilot on this one.  That's what I think too., he'd simply pass out some time during ascent.
 
2013-04-25 09:14:47 PM

GungFu: If you adjust for wind direction, turbulence etc, it's actually not that difficult to jump from a plane. The documentary 'Commando' shows how easily it could be done.

[v025o.popscreen.com image 480x360]
[3.bp.blogspot.com image 477x268]



   Wonder if Radio Shack carries the Turbulence Adjuster??
 
2013-04-25 09:15:42 PM
You don't need a parachute to skydive, you only need a parachute to skydive twice.
 
2013-04-25 09:18:04 PM
img2u.info
 
2013-04-25 09:18:20 PM
So that's what happened to Pinball.

www.etherealdivine.com
 
2013-04-25 09:18:53 PM

gja: 60f to 70f below zero, and virtually NO O2 to speak of = fairly agonizing death via hypoxia and hypothermia.


This guy likely lost consciousness much sooner than dying.
 
gja [TotalFark]
2013-04-25 09:21:25 PM

thisisyourbrainonFark: gja: 60f to 70f below zero, and virtually NO O2 to speak of = fairly agonizing death via hypoxia and hypothermia.


"Darwin knocked, and he answered the door"

Would think shock would kick in pretty quickly.


Once it makes cruising alt., yes. The initial climb will be probably to FL310 or 320... climbing later to 350, 360 or 370. (FL310=31k feet)
That takes some 30+ minutes.
Plenty of time to reflect on the poor choice they have made as they realize the folly of their actions. Those last 10k feet of ascend will see them unconscious, then dead. But the 20k+ leading up to it? Hell, sheer hell.
 
2013-04-25 09:21:52 PM
Surplus population?  Who thinks up these sorts of terms, Genocide inc?

What happen to the _ _ _ _ tribe?  Oh, they were surpulus population, we used them for cannon fodder/ colinization/ fertilizer.
 
gja [TotalFark]
2013-04-25 09:25:43 PM

Nothing To See Here: The white zone is for immediateloading and unloading of passengersonly. There is no stopping in the red zone.


cdn.motinetwork.net
 
2013-04-25 09:26:12 PM
The News is so slanted,
Why don't we ever hear if the ones that make it?

/and the doors open
 
2013-04-25 09:30:39 PM
Glenn Beck: Dude had it coming for trying to steal an Airplane tire.


O
h, that's just wrong!
 
2013-04-25 09:30:44 PM
Marvin is no longer starvin'.
 
2013-04-25 09:32:20 PM
This happened about a dozen years ago on a flight from Trinidad to Toronto, except the external passengers didn't fall out. They (two, I believe) were frozen solid wrapped around the landing gear. I guess if you live in the tropics and with little education, it is unlikely you can grasp the concept of how cold it gets up there, no matter how hot it is down there.
 
2013-04-25 09:33:41 PM

gja: thisisyourbrainonFark: gja: 60f to 70f below zero, and virtually NO O2 to speak of = fairly agonizing death via hypoxia and hypothermia.


"Darwin knocked, and he answered the door"

Would think shock would kick in pretty quickly.

Once it makes cruising alt., yes. The initial climb will be probably to FL310 or 320... climbing later to 350, 360 or 370. (FL310=31k feet)
That takes some 30+ minutes.
Plenty of time to reflect on the poor choice they have made as they realize the folly of their actions. Those last 10k feet of ascend will see them unconscious, then dead. But the 20k+ leading up to it? Hell, sheer hell.




See, you're making a mistake here. You're assuming that he would lose consciousness at about the same time a mountain climber would. It doesn't work that way. If you loaded a climber on some sort of aircraft and dropped him at the top of Everest after a 30 minute ascent from the base with no O2, he'd be dead before you could land the aircraft. Climbers spend days or weeks acclimating to the alt change. This guy didn't.

I see you throwing references to flight levels in your post. If you're really a pilot or crew member, reference some FAA literature on the dangers of hypoxia. They recommend O2 on any flight above 12,500 MSL assuming a take off from near sea level. There are these nifty charts and everything outlining your expected length of consciousness at various altitudes. I can post them if you wish to double down on your wrongness.

TL;DR:
You're wrongedy wrong wrong. Dude was out before that plane hit FL300.
 
2013-04-25 09:39:10 PM
Maybe they need to put a warning Label inside the wheel well,
Where's DUMSKI when we need him?
 
gja [TotalFark]
2013-04-25 09:40:45 PM

tuna fingers: armypilot: gja: 60f to 70f below zero, and virtually NO O2 to speak of = fairly agonizing death via hypoxia and hypothermia.


"Darwin knocked, and he answered the door"

If by agonizing, you meant euphoric, pleasantly buzzed, confident, comfortable, and all around awesome feeling, until he went to sleep, then yes.  I'm sure it was fairly agonizing.

Yeah, I'm gonna agree with armypilot on this one.  That's what I think too., he'd simply pass out some time during ascent.


At some point, yes. But.....the skin temp of the airframe due to friction in flight produces a heating effect that significantly alters the environment of places like the wheel wells. I saw rises of up to 35oF assuming FL340 and KTAS of approx 490kt's.

The euphoria certainly will come, followed by the perm-a-napTM
But not before the person has a chance to freak completely and totally out as they see the method of, and inevitability of, their death.
That's decidedly NOT pleasant.
 
2013-04-25 09:43:50 PM
He was lucky to be upgraded to Wheel Well Plus.
 
2013-04-25 09:44:36 PM
www.wearysloth.com

I wish Ernest Borgnine was still alive.
This would make for a great reboot of "Emperor of the North".
 
2013-04-25 09:44:50 PM
I'd like to know the make of his mobile phone.
 
2013-04-25 09:48:55 PM

carrion_luggage: He was lucky to be upgraded to Wheel Well Plus.


Gotta love that Priceline
 
2013-04-25 09:53:10 PM
Wasn't Mycroft's fault?
 
2013-04-25 09:54:00 PM

cman: Jesus Christ

This is an article about a stowaway and even it boiled down to a left v right biatch fight in this thread.

WTF guys? Why cant we be normal people?


I'm just wondering where all these sleeper trolls are coming from. BM has been here since 2007 but I've never seen him derp it up until today? The hell, man.
 
2013-04-25 09:55:41 PM

weirdneighbour: I'd like to know the make of his mobile phone.


No shiat.
Probably one of those that you can't even buy in the US.
With the Bada OS.
 
gja [TotalFark]
2013-04-25 09:56:38 PM

armypilot: gja: thisisyourbrainonFark: gja: 60f to 70f below zero, and virtually NO O2 to speak of = fairly agonizing death via hypoxia and hypothermia.


"Darwin knocked, and he answered the door"

Would think shock would kick in pretty quickly.

Once it makes cruising alt., yes. The initial climb will be probably to FL310 or 320... climbing later to 350, 360 or 370. (FL310=31k feet)
That takes some 30+ minutes.
Plenty of time to reflect on the poor choice they have made as they realize the folly of their actions. Those last 10k feet of ascend will see them unconscious, then dead. But the 20k+ leading up to it? Hell, sheer hell.

See, you're making a mistake here. You're assuming that he would lose consciousness at about the same time a mountain climber would. It doesn't work that way. If you loaded a climber on some sort of aircraft and dropped him at the top of Everest after a 30 minute ascent from the base with no O2, he'd be dead before you could land the aircraft. Climbers spend days or weeks acclimating to the alt change. This guy didn't.

I see you throwing references to flight levels in your post. If you're really a pilot or crew member, reference some FAA literature on the dangers of hypoxia. They recommend O2 on any flight above 12,500 MSL assuming a take off from near sea level. There are these nifty charts and everything outlining your expected length of consciousness at various altitudes. I can post them if you wish to double down on your wrongness.

TL;DR:
You're wrongedy wrong wrong. Dude was out before that plane hit FL300.


Altitude in Time of Useful ConsciousnessAltitude in metersAltitude in feetFL 15030 min or more4,572 m15,000FL 18020 to 30 min5,486 m18,000FL 2205-10 min6,705 m22,000FL 2503 to 6 min7,620 m25,000FL 2802.5 to 3 mins8,534 m28,000FL 3001 to 3 mins9,144 m30,000FL 35030 sec to 60 sec10,668 m35,000FL 40015 to 20 sec12,192 m40,000FL 4309 to 15 sec13,106 m43,000FL 500 and above6 to 9 sec15,240 m50,000You need to stop going by FAA mandates designed for safety/security.
Remember, a commercial airliner is NOT pressurized to Sea-level, but approx 4500-6900 feet of ALT.
The above table is from the FAA KB's available freely to all who want them.
The need for AVAILABLE supplemental above 12.5 is merely a mandated safety measure.
 
2013-04-25 09:59:20 PM

abhorrent1: How the fark do these people get out on the tarmac and climb up a planes landing gear without anyone seeing them?


It was dark outside?
 
gja [TotalFark]
2013-04-25 10:01:12 PM

mariner314: abhorrent1: How the fark do these people get out on the tarmac and climb up a planes landing gear without anyone seeing them?

It was dark outside?


That and, lax security. Not all airports are under uber-lockdown.
 
2013-04-25 10:02:38 PM
i291.photobucket.com

It's the only way to fly.....
 
2013-04-25 10:07:50 PM

gja: tuna fingers: armypilot: gja: 60f to 70f below zero, and virtually NO O2 to speak of = fairly agonizing death via hypoxia and hypothermia.


"Darwin knocked, and he answered the door"

If by agonizing, you meant euphoric, pleasantly buzzed, confident, comfortable, and all around awesome feeling, until he went to sleep, then yes.  I'm sure it was fairly agonizing.

Yeah, I'm gonna agree with armypilot on this one.  That's what I think too., he'd simply pass out some time during ascent.

At some point, yes. But.....the skin temp of the airframe due to friction in flight produces a heating effect that significantly alters the environment of places like the wheel wells. I saw rises of up to 35oF assuming FL340 and KTAS of approx 490kt's.

The euphoria certainly will come, followed by the perm-a-napTM
But not before the person has a chance to freak completely and totally out as they see the method of, and inevitability of, their death.
That's decidedly NOT pleasant.




It's not a function of temperature but of O2 molecules/square inch.

Dude, based on the info you're posting, you HAVE to know the judgmental effects hypoxia presents. By the time he reached cruising alt, if he was even alive, he would already be too stupid to count to 10.
Check out AC61-107A, page 13. It has useful consciousness times based on a standard ascent. At FL180, you have about 20 minutes. This drops to 1-2 min at FL300 and 30-60 seconds at FL350.

You keep acting like he would have had the ability to think clearly until he dropped dead. You stop feeling pain or worry or concern way before that in a climb.
This includes an early decompression but the concept is the same.

Link
 
2013-04-25 10:10:58 PM
Most aircraft don't have enough extra room in the wheel wells.

Squash
 
gja [TotalFark]
2013-04-25 10:20:52 PM

armypilot: gja: tuna fingers: armypilot: gja: 60f to 70f below zero, and virtually NO O2 to speak of = fairly agonizing death via hypoxia and hypothermia.


"Darwin knocked, and he answered the door"

If by agonizing, you meant euphoric, pleasantly buzzed, confident, comfortable, and all around awesome feeling, until he went to sleep, then yes.  I'm sure it was fairly agonizing.

Yeah, I'm gonna agree with armypilot on this one.  That's what I think too., he'd simply pass out some time during ascent.

At some point, yes. But.....the skin temp of the airframe due to friction in flight produces a heating effect that significantly alters the environment of places like the wheel wells. I saw rises of up to 35oF assuming FL340 and KTAS of approx 490kt's.

The euphoria certainly will come, followed by the perm-a-napTM
But not before the person has a chance to freak completely and totally out as they see the method of, and inevitability of, their death.
That's decidedly NOT pleasant.

It's not a function of temperature but of O2 molecules/square inch.

Dude, based on the info you're posting, you HAVE to know the judgmental effects hypoxia presents. By the time he reached cruising alt, if he was even alive, he would already be too stupid to count to 10.
Check out AC61-107A, page 13. It has useful consciousness times based on a standard ascent. At FL180, you have about 20 minutes. This drops to 1-2 min at FL300 and 30-60 seconds at FL350.

You keep acting like he would have had the ability to think clearly until he dropped dead. You stop feeling pain or worry or concern way before that in a climb.
This includes an early decompression but the concept is the same.

Link


I understand what you are saying, but when you hitDisturbance Stage (15,000-20,000 ft.) you are still somewhat with it. Anyone WILL have judgemental and performance failure, but not before some real pain sets in. In ways hopefully none of us will ever know.

Let's not forget, this person is not burdened with effective performance, they are just hanging on for dear life. So there is a conservation of resources and a survival focus that tends to produce a longer time to FW.

And it's damned cold, and it hurts like unholy hell-on-earth. True,it's only going to last about 10 or so minutes for the average human (chart datum bears that out), but I damn sure wouldn't wanna be that human. Would you?
 
2013-04-25 10:21:32 PM

Pribar: I once was on a flight that actually voted to reroute to another airfield after we boarded


1.bp.blogspot.com
Wat.
 
2013-04-25 10:25:25 PM
"The man was either very close to the point of death or dead before the time he struck the ground," he added.

/really?
//REALLY?
 
2013-04-25 10:25:29 PM
Long way to go to have AC
 
2013-04-25 10:32:20 PM
I know this is Fark, and all...
It saddens me greatly that there is such desperation in this world that some feel so compelled to go to such lengths to escape their situation.
 
2013-04-25 10:34:10 PM

armypilot: Dude, based on the info you're posting, you HAVE to know the judgmental effects hypoxia presents. By the time he reached cruising alt, if he was even alive, he would already be too stupid to count to 10.


He was too stupid to count to 10 before he climbed in the wheelwell.
 
2013-04-25 10:35:16 PM
Re:  gja

I'm gonna let this drop because neither of us truly know.  The only way to be sure would be to experience it and fark that.  I dont wanna die anytime soon even if its dozing off to no dream land.

There have been instances of survival up to FL300+ but those are very very rare and they are all due to being knocked out (hypoxia) then brought down to hypothermic temperatures to prevent brain damage.

I'm willing to concede he MAY have been alert enough to realize what was happening to him.  That is a long shot though, in my opinion.  Your opinion differs and that's ok.
 
2013-04-25 10:36:57 PM

YouPeopleAreCrazy: armypilot: Dude, based on the info you're posting, you HAVE to know the judgmental effects hypoxia presents. By the time he reached cruising alt, if he was even alive, he would already be too stupid to count to 10.

He was too stupid to count to 10 before he climbed in the wheelwell.




Touché
 
gja [TotalFark]
2013-04-25 10:39:32 PM

armypilot: YouPeopleAreCrazy: armypilot: Dude, based on the info you're posting, you HAVE to know the judgmental effects hypoxia presents. By the time he reached cruising alt, if he was even alive, he would already be too stupid to count to 10.

He was too stupid to count to 10 before he climbed in the wheelwell.

Touché


But he might have been able to make it all the way up to potato(e).
 
2013-04-25 10:48:04 PM

cman: Jesus Christ

This is an article about a stowaway and even it boiled down to a left v right biatch fight in this thread.

WTF guys? Why cant we be normal people?


Not to sound childish, but it was one particular asshole that started it. Decent Farkers leave the politics in the appropriate tab, or at least don't stir the sh*t on purpose.
 
2013-04-25 10:53:18 PM

armypilot: Climbers spend days or weeks acclimating to the alt change. This guy didn't.


I think I found this link via Fark, and it's very interesting. Also very creepy/sad. It is a conspiracy / wingnut site but this article is OK:

Bodies preserved on Mt. Everest.
 
2013-04-25 10:53:21 PM

FARK rebel soldier: Pribar: I once was on a flight that actually voted to reroute to another airfield after we boarded

[1.bp.blogspot.com image 557x385]
Wat.


It was a flight that was supposed to be from Masasi Airport to Kilwa Masoko, after we boarded the other passengers (locals) started talking amongst themselves then they shouted something to the captain, who poked his head back into the cabin and asked something (I only speak english and that not too well) everyone else nodded and smiled so he gave a thumbs up and went back into the cockpit, well when we landed I found myself in Mtwara, when I complained I was told the other passengers had voted to fly there and I was out of luck. I ended up catching another flight to Kilwa Masoko which thankfully actually landed there.
 
2013-04-25 10:56:28 PM
Would have been better if Subby used FELL tag . . .
 
2013-04-25 10:56:35 PM
Apologies for talking shiat to gja earlier in the thread.  I assumed you were gonna be one of those guys that get off on the thought of someone dying in pain.  You weren't and I apologize for the assumption.

Easy mistake to make on here sometimes.

Mea culpa.
 
2013-04-25 11:00:27 PM

dickfreckle: armypilot: Climbers spend days or weeks acclimating to the alt change. This guy didn't.

I think I found this link via Fark, and it's very interesting. Also very creepy/sad. It is a conspiracy / wingnut site but this article is OK:

Bodies preserved on Mt. Everest.




Green Boots
 
2013-04-25 11:00:45 PM

Nothing To See Here: Would have been better if Subby used FELL tag . . .


Wat?

Sometimes I don't have one effing clue as to what is going on in Fark anymore.  Suggesting there is a FELL tag is one of those times.
 
2013-04-25 11:01:11 PM

dickfreckle: armypilot: Climbers spend days or weeks acclimating to the alt change. This guy didn't.

I think I found this link via Fark, and it's very interesting. Also very creepy/sad. It is a conspiracy / wingnut site but this article is OK:

Bodies preserved on Mt. Everest.


Also "bodies" means "bodies", so the pictures are not for children or Victorian women.
 
2013-04-25 11:08:00 PM

FARK rebel soldier: dickfreckle: armypilot: Climbers spend days or weeks acclimating to the alt change. This guy didn't.

I think I found this link via Fark, and it's very interesting. Also very creepy/sad. It is a conspiracy / wingnut site but this article is OK:

Bodies preserved on Mt. Everest.

Also "bodies" means "bodies", so the pictures are not for children or Victorian women.


Good catch, but just say NSFW too.  That helps.

I hadn't seen those before.  Only read about them.  That is actually so friggin stupid to attempt it is horrifying.
 
2013-04-25 11:14:42 PM

sheep snorter: Don't worry so much. The Republican war machine is busy depopulating areas on the other side of the world just for you precious.


Would this be the same "Republican war machine" which bombed Libya in 2011 under the direction of a Democratic president, the same president who now has Syria (now that its "red line" has been crossed) in his bomb sights?

P.S. I note with amusement that the Wikipedia article describing Reagan's 1986 bombing of Libya (which resulted in 15 Libyan fatalities) is accurately titled "1986 United States bombing of Libya", whereas Obama's 2011 bombing campaign in the same country (which resulted in 40 Libyan fatalities) is entitled "2011 military intervention in Libya". And to think, some crazy people have accused Wikipedia of having a left-wing bias...
 
2013-04-25 11:14:43 PM
What a Nightmare.
upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-04-25 11:17:23 PM

Charlie Freak: Most aircraft don't have enough extra room in the wheel wells.

Squash


Gee Bob, the nose gear seems to be taking its sweet time getting to up-lock.
 
2013-04-25 11:20:51 PM

alklloyd: I guess it would be politically incorrect to point out that this guy was a idiot?


WAAH HE WAS AN ASPIRING CITIZEN (OF SOMEWHERE) YOU BIGOT

/CHECK YOUR PRIVILEGE
 
gja [TotalFark]
2013-04-25 11:22:51 PM

FARK rebel soldier: or Victorian women.


Where your Victorian wimmin at?
encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com
 
gja [TotalFark]
2013-04-25 11:26:36 PM

dickfreckle: armypilot: Climbers spend days or weeks acclimating to the alt change. This guy didn't.

I think I found this link via Fark, and it's very interesting. Also very creepy/sad. It is a conspiracy / wingnut site but this article is OK:

Bodies preserved on Mt. Everest.


BLEAH. Not, not strong enough......WRetch!
Ick, yuk, poo, gross, gnarly.

I get the whole 'challenge myself' thing, but freakin aye. REALLY? Risk becoming a permanent ornament on the landscape? SHEESH. I pass.
 
2013-04-25 11:31:15 PM

Pribar: FARK rebel soldier: Pribar: I once was on a flight that actually voted to reroute to another airfield after we boarded

[1.bp.blogspot.com image 557x385]
Wat.

It was a flight that was supposed to be from Masasi Airport to Kilwa Masoko, after we boarded the other passengers (locals) started talking amongst themselves then they shouted something to the captain, who poked his head back into the cabin and asked something (I only speak english and that not too well) everyone else nodded and smiled so he gave a thumbs up and went back into the cockpit, well when we landed I found myself in Mtwara, when I complained I was told the other passengers had voted to fly there and I was out of luck. I ended up catching another flight to Kilwa Masoko which thankfully actually landed there.


Bullshiat, any pilot that did that would have his license revoked by the FAA
 
2013-04-25 11:31:29 PM

carrion_luggage: He was lucky to be upgraded to Wheel Well Plus.


Bags fly free indeed!

/nice handle btw
 
gja [TotalFark]
2013-04-25 11:35:31 PM

You Idiots: carrion_luggage: He was lucky to be upgraded to Wheel Well Plus.

Bags fly free indeed!

/nice handle btw


Bags fly free?!?
I need to call the ex and let her know that!
 
2013-04-25 11:46:11 PM

tuna fingers: Nothing To See Here: Would have been better if Subby used FELL tag . . .

Wat?

Sometimes I don't have one effing clue as to what is going on in Fark anymore.  Suggesting there is a FELL tag is one of those times.


I think he's trying to say that since hicks sometimes pronounce "fell" as "fail" that the FAIL tag would have been funny. (I think. I have been known to be wrong.)
 
2013-04-25 11:54:59 PM

The Snow Dog: tuna fingers: Nothing To See Here: Would have been better if Subby used FELL tag . . .

Wat?

Sometimes I don't have one effing clue as to what is going on in Fark anymore.  Suggesting there is a FELL tag is one of those times.

I think he's trying to say that since hicks sometimes pronounce "fell" as "fail" that the FAIL tag would have been funny. (I think. I have been known to be wrong.)


You know, as in:

Wail see, we was a'sittin' under tha oak tree seein' as it was hotter'n hail an' we heared this dang screamin' up inna sky. Looky here's this dang ol' black feller come swoosh outta the blue and bam! F*ckin' Afferkin-Merikun fail on Junior's Chevy an crush't'a dang roof in on him an Becky-Jo. She's a'chawin' down on his li'l pig-sticker an' gone an' bit 'im raht in two, she did!
 
2013-04-25 11:55:09 PM

armypilot: Climbers spend days or weeks acclimating to the alt change.


Most Farkers don't even wait ten minutes.
 
2013-04-26 12:02:05 AM

master luthier: Pribar: FARK rebel soldier: Pribar: I once was on a flight that actually voted to reroute to another airfield after we boarded

[1.bp.blogspot.com image 557x385]
Wat.

It was a flight that was supposed to be from Masasi Airport to Kilwa Masoko, after we boarded the other passengers (locals) started talking amongst themselves then they shouted something to the captain, who poked his head back into the cabin and asked something (I only speak english and that not too well) everyone else nodded and smiled so he gave a thumbs up and went back into the cockpit, well when we landed I found myself in Mtwara, when I complained I was told the other passengers had voted to fly there and I was out of luck. I ended up catching another flight to Kilwa Masoko which thankfully actually landed there.

Bullshiat, any pilot that did that would have his license revoked by the FAA


Pet peave?
 
2013-04-26 12:06:44 AM

master luthier: Pribar: FARK rebel soldier: Pribar: I once was on a flight that actually voted to reroute to another airfield after we boarded

[1.bp.blogspot.com image 557x385]
Wat.

It was a flight that was supposed to be from Masasi Airport to Kilwa Masoko, after we boarded the other passengers (locals) started talking amongst themselves then they shouted something to the captain, who poked his head back into the cabin and asked something (I only speak english and that not too well) everyone else nodded and smiled so he gave a thumbs up and went back into the cockpit, well when we landed I found myself in Mtwara, when I complained I was told the other passengers had voted to fly there and I was out of luck. I ended up catching another flight to Kilwa Masoko which thankfully actually landed there.

Bullshiat, any pilot that did that would have his license revoked by the FAA


Huh?
 
2013-04-26 12:18:18 AM
Poor man.   :  /
 
2013-04-26 12:30:12 AM
s13.postimg.org

Feb 1970, Kid Falls From Plane [Pic]. 14-year-old Keith Sapsford hid in a plane`s wheel well and fell out during take off. An amateur photog took the pic.

Sad
 
2013-04-26 12:33:12 AM

The Snow Dog: Wail see, we was a'sittin' under tha oak tree seein' as it was hotter'n hail an' we heared this dang screamin' up inna sky. Looky here's this dang ol' black feller come swoosh outta the blue and bam! F*ckin' Afferkin-Merikun fail on Junior's Chevy an crush't'a dang roof in on him an Becky-Jo. She's a'chawin' down on his li'l pig-sticker an' gone an' bit 'im raht in two, she did!


Since one good caricature deserves another, the narrative of events related in TFA could just as easily be rewritten as: "I was sitting in a café in Hampstead, London drinking my fair trade coffee and reading the "Socialist Worker" when I heard a sudden whoosh followed by a thump. A group of us converged upon the place from whence the sound had arisen and beheld the disfigured body of an Afro-British (or at any rate, black) gentleman upon the ground, with his body parts unfortunately scattered in various directions. His wallet, found nearby, identified him as "Jose Matada".

"I immediately perceived that he was a victim of white racism, since if all national borders (but only of white-majority Western countries, of course) were completely open as they should be, Mr. Matada would simply have flown to the UK on a routine flight without having to go through the usual nonsense of having to prove that he was not a criminal, that he would be an asset to his new country, etc. In the end, this is a failure of the international community to guarantee Mr. Matada his rights to illegally enter another country without permission and to avail himself indefinitely of its social services which he had never contributed to and perhaps never would, and why? BECAUSE DIVERSITY, that's why."
 
2013-04-26 12:52:05 AM

FARK rebel soldier: dickfreckle: armypilot: Climbers spend days or weeks acclimating to the alt change. This guy didn't.

I think I found this link via Fark, and it's very interesting. Also very creepy/sad. It is a conspiracy / wingnut site but this article is OK:

Bodies preserved on Mt. Everest.

Also "bodies" means "bodies", so the pictures are not for children or Victorian women.


Yeesh, I can't believe I missed using that warning. For what it's worth, while the bodies are indeed deceased, all but one are basically completely preserved (which is why it's spooky as opposed to graphic), and the one that isn't preserved is a skeleton devoid of tissue (no more unnerving than the one in a biology classroom).

But still, I should have NSFW'd it but just completely forgot. Hope the mods are still cool with me! Speaking of which, mod, have I told you how pretty/handsome you look tonight?

/is amused that we make rape jokes but can be banned for forgetting a NSFW tag for a dead body
//seriously, I'm not complaining - I actually it's funny for some reason
 
2013-04-26 01:03:44 AM

armypilot: Green Boots


What I find so macabre about his story is that his corpse is a farking landmark for other climbers coming up the north. According to what I know there is a basic route people follow, and he's up there waiting for you the way the rest of us use a certain tree or large hill as a marker.

"Well Bob, there's dead guy Green Boots. Guess we're making good time!"

Look man, I've jumped out of multiple airplanes, mostly AFF. I've raced motorcycles (amateur level, but still). I've done enough cocaine in one sitting to kill a walrus. But there is no way - no way in hell - you could ever convince to even hang out at base camp on Everest. For every triumph you hear about, you seldom hear about all those folks now a permanent part of the landscape.
 
2013-04-26 01:20:06 AM

bob_ross: [s13.postimg.org image 500x579]

Feb 1970, Kid Falls From Plane [Pic]. 14-year-old Keith Sapsford hid in a plane`s wheel well and fell out during take off. An amateur photog took the pic.

Sad


As soon as I read about events like this I always immediately think of that picture though I had forgotten how young he was, I remember seeing it in the paper when it happened. Wonder if they would print that picture in the paper nowadays?
 
2013-04-26 01:27:57 AM

cman: Jesus Christ

This is an article about a stowaway and even it boiled down to a left v right biatch fight in this thread.

WTF guys? Why cant we be normal people?


I blame the .... naw. I blame the fact that so many trolls left their yahoo and stormfront and freeper accounts and opened fark ones. It happens . Have a great day
 
2013-04-26 02:26:15 AM

abhorrent1: How the fark do these people get out on the tarmac and climb up a planes landing gear without anyone seeing them?


I take it you have never been to an airport in Africa. When I flee to the Gambia we landed on something I can only describe as a patch of asphalt and the terminal was nothing more than a large shack. Security was practically non-existent, save a few military types walking around with AK47s looking to intimidate or take a bribe from someone to get then thru customs quicker.
 
2013-04-26 02:38:31 AM

dickfreckle: armypilot: Green Boots

What I find so macabre about his story is that his corpse is a farking landmark for other climbers coming up the north. According to what I know there is a basic route people follow, and he's up there waiting for you the way the rest of us use a certain tree or large hill as a marker.

"Well Bob, there's dead guy Green Boots. Guess we're making good time!"

Look man, I've jumped out of multiple airplanes, mostly AFF. I've raced motorcycles (amateur level, but still). I've done enough cocaine in one sitting to kill a walrus. But there is no way - no way in hell - you could ever convince to even hang out at base camp on Everest. For every triumph you hear about, you seldom hear about all those folks now a permanent part of the landscape.




Are you sure we're not the same person?

/this
/and this
 
2013-04-26 03:14:25 AM
Also it would have been hot if gja and armypilot made out.
 
2013-04-26 03:16:43 AM

armypilot: dickfreckle: armypilot: Green Boots

What I find so macabre about his story is that his corpse is a farking landmark for other climbers coming up the north. According to what I know there is a basic route people follow, and he's up there waiting for you the way the rest of us use a certain tree or large hill as a marker.

"Well Bob, there's dead guy Green Boots. Guess we're making good time!"

Look man, I've jumped out of multiple airplanes, mostly AFF. I've raced motorcycles (amateur level, but still). I've done enough cocaine in one sitting to kill a walrus. But there is no way - no way in hell - you could ever convince to even hang out at base camp on Everest. For every triumph you hear about, you seldom hear about all those folks now a permanent part of the landscape.

Are you sure we're not the same person?

/this
/and this


Some people find my sort of hobbies, or whatever danger you actively seek, to be death wishes. Except skydiving and riding a motorcycle at 150mph on a closed track have a mostly decent safety record when proper gear, training, and rules are applied. Climbing Everest? I don't know the ratio of success to death, but I do know that when the weather is so bad that merely resting briefly on a pack of snow makes you dead in minutes...yeah I'm not down with that. Even with said proper gear and training. Especially if I were to be frozen stiff and preserved while trying to jerk off. Man, nobody wants that.

Ever seen a guy on Speed Channel fall off his bike at 120, slide forever on his armored leathers, hit the soft barricade, and the get up with at most severe bruising or a broken bone? Everest doesn't have such pity. It just kills without mercy.

Most importantly, my stupid hobbies don't involve the brain failing to make decisions. If anything, they enhance that ability via fear tempered by training. I can screw up, but that will be human error and not lack of O2. Try to imagine being so farking cold that you can't even save yourself no matter how desperate you are to do so.

You just sit there, man. Yeesh. That's just awful. And with my cursory knowledge of how cold and disoriented he must have been at the time of his death, it's likely to jolt me awake later this morning.
 
2013-04-26 03:19:08 AM
You are all ignoring the fact that it is much more comfortable flying in a wheel well than in economy these days.
 
2013-04-26 04:26:06 AM

ChiliBoots: Charlie Freak: Most aircraft don't have enough extra room in the wheel wells.

Squash

Gee Bob, the nose gear seems to be taking its sweet time getting to up-lock.


"That's odd. Bob never has trouble getting to up-lock at home."
 
2013-04-26 06:21:20 AM

Bomb Mecca: At some point wanting a better life isn't a good enough excuse for illegal immigration. Overpopulation is one of the worst things that can happen to a country or an environment. Illegal immigration from the turd world into the first is one of the quickest ways to get their.

/cue the tears from liberals


Wanting a better life isn't an excuse, it's the reason.

/knows English and logic isn't the strong subject of wanna be conservatives, who can't manage anything but derp.
 
2013-04-26 06:41:10 AM

OBBN: I take it you have never been to an airport in Africa.


Why the fark would I go to Africa?
 
2013-04-26 06:41:38 AM
Drug dealers, pimps, and internet scammers all want a better life too, so what they do is ok, right?

Now let's send another aid package to Africa and encourage them to reproduce so they can bring us some more enriching diversity.
 
2013-04-26 07:07:25 AM

weirdneighbour: I'd like to know the make of his mobile phone.


Is it wrong that this was the first thing I thought of?
 
2013-04-26 08:30:46 AM

dickfreckle: /is amused that we make rape jokes but can be banned for forgetting a NSFW tag for a dead body


I got banned for a really horrible rape joke once. So yeah, don't joke about raping babies. And don't go on and on elaborating it. ;)
 
2013-04-26 08:32:01 AM

KrispyKritter: Mock26: Good.

Afraid he would take your McJob, Chicago Troll?


Hell yeah.  Those moranic migrant web developers are taking away American jobs in Great Britain!
 
2013-04-26 08:37:12 AM

KrispyKritter: Mock26: Good.

Afraid he would take your McJob, Chicago Troll?


Oh yeah, welcome to fark, Psycho.
 
2013-04-26 08:46:12 AM

echomike23: Nothing To See Here: The white zone is for immediateloading and unloading of passengersonly. There is no stopping in the red zone.

Listen Betty, don't start up with your white zone shiat again.
[i2.ytimg.com image 320x180]


Oh really, Vernon? Why pretend? We both know perfectly well what this is about. You want me to have an abortion.
 
2013-04-26 09:54:32 AM
also known as Quintavious Cooper:

i.imgur.com
 
gja [TotalFark]
2013-04-26 11:59:36 AM

bob_ross: Also it would have been hot if gja and armypilot made out.


LOL, WUT?
 
2013-04-26 06:43:35 PM

OBBN: abhorrent1: How the fark do these people get out on the tarmac and climb up a planes landing gear without anyone seeing them?

I take it you have never been to an airport in Africa. When I flee to the Gambia we landed on something I can only describe as a patch of asphalt and the terminal was nothing more than a large shack. Security was practically non-existent, save a few military types walking around with AK47s looking to intimidate or take a bribe from someone to get then thru customs quicker.


I wouldn't extend your experience to all of Africa. Security procedures I observed at Jomo Kenyatta airport in Nairobi were insanely intense, although they seemed largely focused on currency import/export. Still, the paperwork they put you through is enough to discourage even the hardiest stowaway. As for those military types with AK47s, they came aboard our plane at Murtala Muhammed airport in Lagos. I didn't observe anyone brave enough to try to bribe them...were you? I suspect not.

My experiences date from 25-30 years ago, so things may have changed. Still, the airstrip you described resembles almost any class E facility in the USA, except for the AK47s (except parts of Arizona, where it's an uncanny resemblance).
 
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