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2013-04-25 09:09:10 PM

cheeseaholic: Bomb Mecca: Ronin_S: If you're desperate enough to sneak into an airplane landing gear to a country, you'd be willing to work really hard and keep your nose clean.

Yes but the point is the country was more empty back then, and now has a lot of people that generate metric ass loads of pollution and adding more people to that population is not a good thing no matter how clean their noses are. It is unsustainable, populations should be allowed to shrink, less competition for dwindling resources is a good thing.

Africa needs more workhouses and prisons as well as decreasing the surplus population.

/Actually that wouldn't hurt.  They need more of just about everything.


They need birth control and more equitable treatment for women, because studies have shown that fertility rates drop like a rock when a country gets those things. But I guess we can't because reproductive rights make baby Jesus cry.
 
2013-04-25 09:14:28 PM

armypilot: gja: 60f to 70f below zero, and virtually NO O2 to speak of = fairly agonizing death via hypoxia and hypothermia.


"Darwin knocked, and he answered the door"

If by agonizing, you meant euphoric, pleasantly buzzed, confident, comfortable, and all around awesome feeling, until he went to sleep, then yes.  I'm sure it was fairly agonizing.


Yeah, I'm gonna agree with armypilot on this one.  That's what I think too., he'd simply pass out some time during ascent.
 
2013-04-25 09:14:47 PM

GungFu: If you adjust for wind direction, turbulence etc, it's actually not that difficult to jump from a plane. The documentary 'Commando' shows how easily it could be done.

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   Wonder if Radio Shack carries the Turbulence Adjuster??
 
2013-04-25 09:15:42 PM
You don't need a parachute to skydive, you only need a parachute to skydive twice.
 
2013-04-25 09:18:04 PM
img2u.info
 
2013-04-25 09:18:20 PM
So that's what happened to Pinball.

www.etherealdivine.com
 
2013-04-25 09:18:53 PM

gja: 60f to 70f below zero, and virtually NO O2 to speak of = fairly agonizing death via hypoxia and hypothermia.


This guy likely lost consciousness much sooner than dying.
 
gja [TotalFark]
2013-04-25 09:21:25 PM

thisisyourbrainonFark: gja: 60f to 70f below zero, and virtually NO O2 to speak of = fairly agonizing death via hypoxia and hypothermia.


"Darwin knocked, and he answered the door"

Would think shock would kick in pretty quickly.


Once it makes cruising alt., yes. The initial climb will be probably to FL310 or 320... climbing later to 350, 360 or 370. (FL310=31k feet)
That takes some 30+ minutes.
Plenty of time to reflect on the poor choice they have made as they realize the folly of their actions. Those last 10k feet of ascend will see them unconscious, then dead. But the 20k+ leading up to it? Hell, sheer hell.
 
2013-04-25 09:21:52 PM
Surplus population?  Who thinks up these sorts of terms, Genocide inc?

What happen to the _ _ _ _ tribe?  Oh, they were surpulus population, we used them for cannon fodder/ colinization/ fertilizer.
 
gja [TotalFark]
2013-04-25 09:25:43 PM

Nothing To See Here: The white zone is for immediateloading and unloading of passengersonly. There is no stopping in the red zone.


cdn.motinetwork.net
 
2013-04-25 09:26:12 PM
The News is so slanted,
Why don't we ever hear if the ones that make it?

/and the doors open
 
2013-04-25 09:30:39 PM
Glenn Beck: Dude had it coming for trying to steal an Airplane tire.


O
h, that's just wrong!
 
2013-04-25 09:30:44 PM
Marvin is no longer starvin'.
 
2013-04-25 09:32:20 PM
This happened about a dozen years ago on a flight from Trinidad to Toronto, except the external passengers didn't fall out. They (two, I believe) were frozen solid wrapped around the landing gear. I guess if you live in the tropics and with little education, it is unlikely you can grasp the concept of how cold it gets up there, no matter how hot it is down there.
 
2013-04-25 09:33:41 PM

gja: thisisyourbrainonFark: gja: 60f to 70f below zero, and virtually NO O2 to speak of = fairly agonizing death via hypoxia and hypothermia.


"Darwin knocked, and he answered the door"

Would think shock would kick in pretty quickly.

Once it makes cruising alt., yes. The initial climb will be probably to FL310 or 320... climbing later to 350, 360 or 370. (FL310=31k feet)
That takes some 30+ minutes.
Plenty of time to reflect on the poor choice they have made as they realize the folly of their actions. Those last 10k feet of ascend will see them unconscious, then dead. But the 20k+ leading up to it? Hell, sheer hell.




See, you're making a mistake here. You're assuming that he would lose consciousness at about the same time a mountain climber would. It doesn't work that way. If you loaded a climber on some sort of aircraft and dropped him at the top of Everest after a 30 minute ascent from the base with no O2, he'd be dead before you could land the aircraft. Climbers spend days or weeks acclimating to the alt change. This guy didn't.

I see you throwing references to flight levels in your post. If you're really a pilot or crew member, reference some FAA literature on the dangers of hypoxia. They recommend O2 on any flight above 12,500 MSL assuming a take off from near sea level. There are these nifty charts and everything outlining your expected length of consciousness at various altitudes. I can post them if you wish to double down on your wrongness.

TL;DR:
You're wrongedy wrong wrong. Dude was out before that plane hit FL300.
 
2013-04-25 09:39:10 PM
Maybe they need to put a warning Label inside the wheel well,
Where's DUMSKI when we need him?
 
gja [TotalFark]
2013-04-25 09:40:45 PM

tuna fingers: armypilot: gja: 60f to 70f below zero, and virtually NO O2 to speak of = fairly agonizing death via hypoxia and hypothermia.


"Darwin knocked, and he answered the door"

If by agonizing, you meant euphoric, pleasantly buzzed, confident, comfortable, and all around awesome feeling, until he went to sleep, then yes.  I'm sure it was fairly agonizing.

Yeah, I'm gonna agree with armypilot on this one.  That's what I think too., he'd simply pass out some time during ascent.


At some point, yes. But.....the skin temp of the airframe due to friction in flight produces a heating effect that significantly alters the environment of places like the wheel wells. I saw rises of up to 35oF assuming FL340 and KTAS of approx 490kt's.

The euphoria certainly will come, followed by the perm-a-napTM
But not before the person has a chance to freak completely and totally out as they see the method of, and inevitability of, their death.
That's decidedly NOT pleasant.
 
2013-04-25 09:43:50 PM
He was lucky to be upgraded to Wheel Well Plus.
 
2013-04-25 09:44:36 PM
www.wearysloth.com

I wish Ernest Borgnine was still alive.
This would make for a great reboot of "Emperor of the North".
 
2013-04-25 09:44:50 PM
I'd like to know the make of his mobile phone.
 
2013-04-25 09:48:55 PM

carrion_luggage: He was lucky to be upgraded to Wheel Well Plus.


Gotta love that Priceline
 
2013-04-25 09:53:10 PM
Wasn't Mycroft's fault?
 
2013-04-25 09:54:00 PM

cman: Jesus Christ

This is an article about a stowaway and even it boiled down to a left v right biatch fight in this thread.

WTF guys? Why cant we be normal people?


I'm just wondering where all these sleeper trolls are coming from. BM has been here since 2007 but I've never seen him derp it up until today? The hell, man.
 
2013-04-25 09:55:41 PM

weirdneighbour: I'd like to know the make of his mobile phone.


No shiat.
Probably one of those that you can't even buy in the US.
With the Bada OS.
 
gja [TotalFark]
2013-04-25 09:56:38 PM

armypilot: gja: thisisyourbrainonFark: gja: 60f to 70f below zero, and virtually NO O2 to speak of = fairly agonizing death via hypoxia and hypothermia.


"Darwin knocked, and he answered the door"

Would think shock would kick in pretty quickly.

Once it makes cruising alt., yes. The initial climb will be probably to FL310 or 320... climbing later to 350, 360 or 370. (FL310=31k feet)
That takes some 30+ minutes.
Plenty of time to reflect on the poor choice they have made as they realize the folly of their actions. Those last 10k feet of ascend will see them unconscious, then dead. But the 20k+ leading up to it? Hell, sheer hell.

See, you're making a mistake here. You're assuming that he would lose consciousness at about the same time a mountain climber would. It doesn't work that way. If you loaded a climber on some sort of aircraft and dropped him at the top of Everest after a 30 minute ascent from the base with no O2, he'd be dead before you could land the aircraft. Climbers spend days or weeks acclimating to the alt change. This guy didn't.

I see you throwing references to flight levels in your post. If you're really a pilot or crew member, reference some FAA literature on the dangers of hypoxia. They recommend O2 on any flight above 12,500 MSL assuming a take off from near sea level. There are these nifty charts and everything outlining your expected length of consciousness at various altitudes. I can post them if you wish to double down on your wrongness.

TL;DR:
You're wrongedy wrong wrong. Dude was out before that plane hit FL300.


Altitude in Time of Useful ConsciousnessAltitude in metersAltitude in feetFL 15030 min or more4,572 m15,000FL 18020 to 30 min5,486 m18,000FL 2205-10 min6,705 m22,000FL 2503 to 6 min7,620 m25,000FL 2802.5 to 3 mins8,534 m28,000FL 3001 to 3 mins9,144 m30,000FL 35030 sec to 60 sec10,668 m35,000FL 40015 to 20 sec12,192 m40,000FL 4309 to 15 sec13,106 m43,000FL 500 and above6 to 9 sec15,240 m50,000You need to stop going by FAA mandates designed for safety/security.
Remember, a commercial airliner is NOT pressurized to Sea-level, but approx 4500-6900 feet of ALT.
The above table is from the FAA KB's available freely to all who want them.
The need for AVAILABLE supplemental above 12.5 is merely a mandated safety measure.
 
2013-04-25 09:59:20 PM

abhorrent1: How the fark do these people get out on the tarmac and climb up a planes landing gear without anyone seeing them?


It was dark outside?
 
gja [TotalFark]
2013-04-25 10:01:12 PM

mariner314: abhorrent1: How the fark do these people get out on the tarmac and climb up a planes landing gear without anyone seeing them?

It was dark outside?


That and, lax security. Not all airports are under uber-lockdown.
 
2013-04-25 10:02:38 PM
i291.photobucket.com

It's the only way to fly.....
 
2013-04-25 10:07:50 PM

gja: tuna fingers: armypilot: gja: 60f to 70f below zero, and virtually NO O2 to speak of = fairly agonizing death via hypoxia and hypothermia.


"Darwin knocked, and he answered the door"

If by agonizing, you meant euphoric, pleasantly buzzed, confident, comfortable, and all around awesome feeling, until he went to sleep, then yes.  I'm sure it was fairly agonizing.

Yeah, I'm gonna agree with armypilot on this one.  That's what I think too., he'd simply pass out some time during ascent.

At some point, yes. But.....the skin temp of the airframe due to friction in flight produces a heating effect that significantly alters the environment of places like the wheel wells. I saw rises of up to 35oF assuming FL340 and KTAS of approx 490kt's.

The euphoria certainly will come, followed by the perm-a-napTM
But not before the person has a chance to freak completely and totally out as they see the method of, and inevitability of, their death.
That's decidedly NOT pleasant.




It's not a function of temperature but of O2 molecules/square inch.

Dude, based on the info you're posting, you HAVE to know the judgmental effects hypoxia presents. By the time he reached cruising alt, if he was even alive, he would already be too stupid to count to 10.
Check out AC61-107A, page 13. It has useful consciousness times based on a standard ascent. At FL180, you have about 20 minutes. This drops to 1-2 min at FL300 and 30-60 seconds at FL350.

You keep acting like he would have had the ability to think clearly until he dropped dead. You stop feeling pain or worry or concern way before that in a climb.
This includes an early decompression but the concept is the same.

Link
 
2013-04-25 10:10:58 PM
Most aircraft don't have enough extra room in the wheel wells.

Squash
 
gja [TotalFark]
2013-04-25 10:20:52 PM

armypilot: gja: tuna fingers: armypilot: gja: 60f to 70f below zero, and virtually NO O2 to speak of = fairly agonizing death via hypoxia and hypothermia.


"Darwin knocked, and he answered the door"

If by agonizing, you meant euphoric, pleasantly buzzed, confident, comfortable, and all around awesome feeling, until he went to sleep, then yes.  I'm sure it was fairly agonizing.

Yeah, I'm gonna agree with armypilot on this one.  That's what I think too., he'd simply pass out some time during ascent.

At some point, yes. But.....the skin temp of the airframe due to friction in flight produces a heating effect that significantly alters the environment of places like the wheel wells. I saw rises of up to 35oF assuming FL340 and KTAS of approx 490kt's.

The euphoria certainly will come, followed by the perm-a-napTM
But not before the person has a chance to freak completely and totally out as they see the method of, and inevitability of, their death.
That's decidedly NOT pleasant.

It's not a function of temperature but of O2 molecules/square inch.

Dude, based on the info you're posting, you HAVE to know the judgmental effects hypoxia presents. By the time he reached cruising alt, if he was even alive, he would already be too stupid to count to 10.
Check out AC61-107A, page 13. It has useful consciousness times based on a standard ascent. At FL180, you have about 20 minutes. This drops to 1-2 min at FL300 and 30-60 seconds at FL350.

You keep acting like he would have had the ability to think clearly until he dropped dead. You stop feeling pain or worry or concern way before that in a climb.
This includes an early decompression but the concept is the same.

Link


I understand what you are saying, but when you hitDisturbance Stage (15,000-20,000 ft.) you are still somewhat with it. Anyone WILL have judgemental and performance failure, but not before some real pain sets in. In ways hopefully none of us will ever know.

Let's not forget, this person is not burdened with effective performance, they are just hanging on for dear life. So there is a conservation of resources and a survival focus that tends to produce a longer time to FW.

And it's damned cold, and it hurts like unholy hell-on-earth. True,it's only going to last about 10 or so minutes for the average human (chart datum bears that out), but I damn sure wouldn't wanna be that human. Would you?
 
2013-04-25 10:21:32 PM

Pribar: I once was on a flight that actually voted to reroute to another airfield after we boarded


1.bp.blogspot.com
Wat.
 
2013-04-25 10:25:25 PM
"The man was either very close to the point of death or dead before the time he struck the ground," he added.

/really?
//REALLY?
 
2013-04-25 10:25:29 PM
Long way to go to have AC
 
2013-04-25 10:32:20 PM
I know this is Fark, and all...
It saddens me greatly that there is such desperation in this world that some feel so compelled to go to such lengths to escape their situation.
 
2013-04-25 10:34:10 PM

armypilot: Dude, based on the info you're posting, you HAVE to know the judgmental effects hypoxia presents. By the time he reached cruising alt, if he was even alive, he would already be too stupid to count to 10.


He was too stupid to count to 10 before he climbed in the wheelwell.
 
2013-04-25 10:35:16 PM
Re:  gja

I'm gonna let this drop because neither of us truly know.  The only way to be sure would be to experience it and fark that.  I dont wanna die anytime soon even if its dozing off to no dream land.

There have been instances of survival up to FL300+ but those are very very rare and they are all due to being knocked out (hypoxia) then brought down to hypothermic temperatures to prevent brain damage.

I'm willing to concede he MAY have been alert enough to realize what was happening to him.  That is a long shot though, in my opinion.  Your opinion differs and that's ok.
 
2013-04-25 10:36:57 PM

YouPeopleAreCrazy: armypilot: Dude, based on the info you're posting, you HAVE to know the judgmental effects hypoxia presents. By the time he reached cruising alt, if he was even alive, he would already be too stupid to count to 10.

He was too stupid to count to 10 before he climbed in the wheelwell.




Touché
 
gja [TotalFark]
2013-04-25 10:39:32 PM

armypilot: YouPeopleAreCrazy: armypilot: Dude, based on the info you're posting, you HAVE to know the judgmental effects hypoxia presents. By the time he reached cruising alt, if he was even alive, he would already be too stupid to count to 10.

He was too stupid to count to 10 before he climbed in the wheelwell.

Touché


But he might have been able to make it all the way up to potato(e).
 
2013-04-25 10:48:04 PM

cman: Jesus Christ

This is an article about a stowaway and even it boiled down to a left v right biatch fight in this thread.

WTF guys? Why cant we be normal people?


Not to sound childish, but it was one particular asshole that started it. Decent Farkers leave the politics in the appropriate tab, or at least don't stir the sh*t on purpose.
 
2013-04-25 10:53:18 PM

armypilot: Climbers spend days or weeks acclimating to the alt change. This guy didn't.


I think I found this link via Fark, and it's very interesting. Also very creepy/sad. It is a conspiracy / wingnut site but this article is OK:

Bodies preserved on Mt. Everest.
 
2013-04-25 10:53:21 PM

FARK rebel soldier: Pribar: I once was on a flight that actually voted to reroute to another airfield after we boarded

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Wat.


It was a flight that was supposed to be from Masasi Airport to Kilwa Masoko, after we boarded the other passengers (locals) started talking amongst themselves then they shouted something to the captain, who poked his head back into the cabin and asked something (I only speak english and that not too well) everyone else nodded and smiled so he gave a thumbs up and went back into the cockpit, well when we landed I found myself in Mtwara, when I complained I was told the other passengers had voted to fly there and I was out of luck. I ended up catching another flight to Kilwa Masoko which thankfully actually landed there.
 
2013-04-25 10:56:28 PM
Would have been better if Subby used FELL tag . . .
 
2013-04-25 10:56:35 PM
Apologies for talking shiat to gja earlier in the thread.  I assumed you were gonna be one of those guys that get off on the thought of someone dying in pain.  You weren't and I apologize for the assumption.

Easy mistake to make on here sometimes.

Mea culpa.
 
2013-04-25 11:00:27 PM

dickfreckle: armypilot: Climbers spend days or weeks acclimating to the alt change. This guy didn't.

I think I found this link via Fark, and it's very interesting. Also very creepy/sad. It is a conspiracy / wingnut site but this article is OK:

Bodies preserved on Mt. Everest.




Green Boots
 
2013-04-25 11:00:45 PM

Nothing To See Here: Would have been better if Subby used FELL tag . . .


Wat?

Sometimes I don't have one effing clue as to what is going on in Fark anymore.  Suggesting there is a FELL tag is one of those times.
 
2013-04-25 11:01:11 PM

dickfreckle: armypilot: Climbers spend days or weeks acclimating to the alt change. This guy didn't.

I think I found this link via Fark, and it's very interesting. Also very creepy/sad. It is a conspiracy / wingnut site but this article is OK:

Bodies preserved on Mt. Everest.


Also "bodies" means "bodies", so the pictures are not for children or Victorian women.
 
2013-04-25 11:08:00 PM

FARK rebel soldier: dickfreckle: armypilot: Climbers spend days or weeks acclimating to the alt change. This guy didn't.

I think I found this link via Fark, and it's very interesting. Also very creepy/sad. It is a conspiracy / wingnut site but this article is OK:

Bodies preserved on Mt. Everest.

Also "bodies" means "bodies", so the pictures are not for children or Victorian women.


Good catch, but just say NSFW too.  That helps.

I hadn't seen those before.  Only read about them.  That is actually so friggin stupid to attempt it is horrifying.
 
2013-04-25 11:14:42 PM

sheep snorter: Don't worry so much. The Republican war machine is busy depopulating areas on the other side of the world just for you precious.


Would this be the same "Republican war machine" which bombed Libya in 2011 under the direction of a Democratic president, the same president who now has Syria (now that its "red line" has been crossed) in his bomb sights?

P.S. I note with amusement that the Wikipedia article describing Reagan's 1986 bombing of Libya (which resulted in 15 Libyan fatalities) is accurately titled "1986 United States bombing of Libya", whereas Obama's 2011 bombing campaign in the same country (which resulted in 40 Libyan fatalities) is entitled "2011 military intervention in Libya". And to think, some crazy people have accused Wikipedia of having a left-wing bias...
 
2013-04-25 11:14:43 PM
What a Nightmare.
upload.wikimedia.org
 
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