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2013-04-25 10:24:52 PM

max_pooper: take_flight: luxup: flyinglizard: redsquid: TheManofPA: Amos Quito: jaytkay: ZOMG all the exact details were not known immediately in a chaotic situation!!!

UNPOSSIBLE!!!!


When in doubt, make shiat up.

Chances are that MOST people will remember the made up shiat, and pay little mind to the pesky "details" as they trickle out anyway.

Kind of related, wonder how many people remember Richard Jewell as the Olympics bomber.

I was just talking about that the other day and couldn't for the life of me remember the actual bombers name. Yay media!

It was Jack Ruby.

It was Eric Rudolph.

Jack Ruby, Ruby for short, is the guy they made that football movie about.

I thought that was Rudy...Daniel "Rudy" Ruettiger

No, that was Daniel "Day" Lewis.


Yeah, he played a kicker with a killer left foot.
 
2013-04-25 10:26:59 PM

Walker: Wow, how many times is this story gonna change? And people wonder why other people believe in conspiracy theories.


a couple more iterations and their crazee biaaatch of a mom may be the only one telling the truth all this time.  yikes!
 
2013-04-25 10:28:04 PM
The cops should have just waited a week then they would have known a lot more.
 
2013-04-25 10:28:07 PM

ohknaks: LessO2: It's gonna be hard to find anyone, short of relatives, to be outraged about shooting at these guys, whether they had any guns or not.   There will likely be more people outraged at the fact little brother didn't die.

I'm pretty outraged about the police response to this whole situation. Shutting down a major US city for nearly a week

  about 12 hours...

At least try and make a half-assed attempt at credibility.


The night this happened, I remember the local media said that police may have been using non-lethal ammunition and flash-bang grenades which could account for the alleged "explosions" that were reported, and the fact that the suspect is still alive and not filled with 300 holes. However, I have not heard any updates on that, so it may have been incorrect.
 
2013-04-25 10:28:34 PM

max_pooper: MrHappyRotter: Good god, it's like half of Fark is 90% haters, half is 90% retards and the other half is 90% psychos.

And coming up in the third half of the show is the answer to last week's puzzler.


and don't drive like my brother?
 
2013-04-25 10:28:35 PM
The police will be instructed to protect public assets over life, and figure out why after the fact, because -- lets face it -- no one ever got fired (without pay) for offing a couple of low-lifes, but make something politically inconvienent for those with power enough to call that cop's boss? you're toast.

that's reality. Only pervasive sousveilance can possibly change this. Go copwatch!
 
2013-04-25 10:29:07 PM

luxup: Just wondering something.  I was listening on the scanner that Friday and I remember after that first firefight someone was saying to make sure to load up on the rubber bullets.  I don't remember the exact words but he mentioned rubber bullets twice and I certainly had the impression they were not using live ammo.  I figured they wanted to get this guy alive.

Accepting that they were using rubber bullets instead of live ammo, could they have opened fire with the intent to incapacitate without killing thereby making his having a gun irrelevant?  If he had a gun or not (which it looks like he didn't at the time), could pelting him with rubber shots been a tactic to make him easier to approach?



Yeah, they were after assailant(s) that they believed just KILLED A COP.

I'm sure they were all about the "less than lethal" mentality.


/Think of Chris Dorner
 
2013-04-25 10:33:53 PM
  Jeez FARK you've put me in some weird positions lately. I hate cops with a passion, but this was actually pretty tame compared to some over-reactions in the past. There were no civilians killed by police or the suspects. It was over within 24 hours. They supposedly have a confession and enough evidence so there is no doubt they got the right guys. The suspects committed a terrorist act, killed a cop, and were actively tossing explosives at law enforcement. I won't use the word 'restraint', but it could have been far worse. As for 'shutting down' the city, I can understand requesting that folks stay inside. The proof of the wisdom of this decision is the fact that no one got shot taking out the trash or walking their dog. I think the house to house searches set a scary precedent that we need to be watchful of, but vigilance is the duty of the civilian. I suspect that decision came from the feds and not the locals. All in all I'd say the handling of this shows an improvement from other cop overkill situations in the past.
Anyway, yeah, I feel really weird now.
 
2013-04-25 10:35:36 PM
Ok, before people start losing their minds over "friendly fire" and what have you, can we just remember that there were two separate incidents in Watertown. The cop that was injured was injured during the first incident (Overnight Thursday), where the brothers were both alive and shooting and throwing explosives. The incident that this article is talking about is the 2nd incident which happened Friday night.
 
2013-04-25 10:35:59 PM
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Nope, nothing wrong with this at all citizen.  Might as well get used to it...

/ps for the hard of seeing, that dude is pointing a M4 at your face for daring to look out his/her window.
//doubleplusungood
 
2013-04-25 10:38:20 PM

jaytkay: Evil High Priest: So, they failed to 'steal' a gun from a dead man? Wow. That's a lot of fail right there.

big pig peaches: Police holsters are designed to make it hard for someone other than the person wearing it to remove the gun.

Having to release a couple of retention points is common.

It takes practice it it's your own holster.

Imagine the difficulty if you are a panicky kid who just killed a cop and you don't know much about holsters.



WAT???

Don't they teach this shiat in Chechnyan Jihad Terrorist Training Camp?


/Waste of money, if you ask me
 
2013-04-25 10:38:50 PM

Amos Quito: luxup: Just wondering something.  I was listening on the scanner that Friday and I remember after that first firefight someone was saying to make sure to load up on the rubber bullets.  I don't remember the exact words but he mentioned rubber bullets twice and I certainly had the impression they were not using live ammo.  I figured they wanted to get this guy alive.

Accepting that they were using rubber bullets instead of live ammo, could they have opened fire with the intent to incapacitate without killing thereby making his having a gun irrelevant?  If he had a gun or not (which it looks like he didn't at the time), could pelting him with rubber shots been a tactic to make him easier to approach?


Yeah, they were after assailant(s) that they believed just KILLED A COP.

I'm sure they were all about the "less than lethal" mentality.


/Think of Chris Dorner


This.  When cops are after a suspected cop killer the game has changed.  If the cops suspect you have killed a cop, chances are they are looking to take you out permanently rather than take you in.
 
2013-04-25 10:39:43 PM

redsquid: Jeez FARK you've put me in some weird positions lately. I hate cops with a passion, but this was actually pretty tame compared to some over-reactions in the past. There were no civilians killed by police or the suspects. It was over within 24 hours. They supposedly have a confession and enough evidence so there is no doubt they got the right guys. The suspects committed a terrorist act, killed a cop, and were actively tossing explosives at law enforcement. I won't use the word 'restraint', but it could have been far worse. As for 'shutting down' the city, I can understand requesting that folks stay inside. The proof of the wisdom of this decision is the fact that no one got shot taking out the trash or walking their dog. I think the house to house searches set a scary precedent that we need to be watchful of, but vigilance is the duty of the civilian. I suspect that decision came from the feds and not the locals. All in all I'd say the handling of this shows an improvement from other cop overkill situations in the past.
Anyway, yeah, I feel really weird now.


There have already been a bunch of news stories about how law enforcement learned from the Boston manhunt. Scary...
 
2013-04-25 10:40:37 PM
Just farking great. How long until this kid gets turned into some kind of tea party hero who's been victimized by the evil government?
 
2013-04-25 10:42:27 PM

LoneDoggie: for the hard of seeing, that dude is pointing a M4 at your face for daring to look out his/her window


You sound real well-informed.

Please give us all the details.

The police were threatening Watertown residents with death the day after the shootout?
 
2013-04-25 10:43:09 PM
A furious gunfight ensued on Laurel Street in Watertown, where more than 200 rounds were fired, officials said. A transit police officer, Richard H. Donohue, was shot in his right leg and critically wounded during the gunfight.


uh...so what is the headline supposed to mean, subby? That there was no crazy shootout in Watertown?
 
2013-04-25 10:46:27 PM

Christian Bale: A furious gunfight ensued on Laurel Street in Watertown, where more than 200 rounds were fired, officials said. A transit police officer, Richard H. Donohue, was shot in his right leg and critically wounded during the gunfight.


uh...so what is the headline supposed to mean, subby? That there was no crazy shootout in Watertown?


It looks like it may be turning out to be more of a shoot at.
 
2013-04-25 10:46:48 PM
v

sporkme: max_pooper: MrHappyRotter: Good god, it's like half of Fark is 90% haters, half is 90% retards and the other half is 90% psychos.

And coming up in the third half of the show is the answer to last week's puzzler.

and don't drive like my brother?


Hee hee hee
 
2013-04-25 10:51:07 PM

ohknaks: LessO2: It's gonna be hard to find anyone, short of relatives, to be outraged about shooting at these guys, whether they had any guns or not.   There will likely be more people outraged at the fact little brother didn't die.

I'm pretty outraged about the police response to this whole situation. Shutting down a major US city for nearly a week and shooting at unarmed suspects? This isn't Judge Dredd. The police don't get to dole out death to those they think that deserve it. We have courts for a reason in this country.


My sentiments exactly. What's worse, in my opinion, is that the only people who will publicly denounce such acts by the police are certifiable nutjobs. It's almost as if the Alex Jones of the world are plants designed to make us dismiss any legitimate criticism of the status quo. All logic tells me that isn't the case, but damned if my conspiracy meter doesn't wobble a bit anyway.
 
2013-04-25 10:51:33 PM

big pig peaches: Evil High Priest: ftfa: Law enforcement believes that the Tsarnaev brothers tried and failed to steal Collier's gun after shooting him from behind, the first of several things that went wrong for the two young suspected terrorists that night.

So, they failed to 'steal' a gun from a dead man? Wow. That's a lot of fail right there.

Police holsters are designed to make it hard for someone other than the person wearing it to remove the gun. You have to take the gun out at the proper angle or something. I bet the gun got stuck and they panicked and ran.


It's called a Level III retention holster.  Anybody can purchase one, but Cops and Military are the primary people who get them.  Yes, there is a trick to drawing the gun; it's very hard for another person to draw it, but quite easy for the owner to draw.
 
2013-04-25 10:54:03 PM

Theaetetus: [i.huffpost.com image 450x600]
So, how much do you want to bet that this was a cop bullet that almost killed a resident?

Makes sense too - his house was adjacent to where the bombers were, so he was more in the line of fire from the cops than he was from them.


What is that sport in the Colorado vs Oregon poster/calendar thing?
Competitive synchronized jujitsu?
 
2013-04-25 10:55:06 PM

o5iiawah: echomike23: so they didn't have a m4 carbine?

I heard it was a Glock AK-47 with detachable high-capacity 30 bullet clip mags.  Collapsible stocks and barrel shrouds included...


"And the thing on the stock that goes up."
 
2013-04-25 10:55:15 PM
What sport is that?

i.huffpost.com
 
2013-04-25 10:56:27 PM

LoneDoggie: [img195.imageshack.us image 800x707]

Nope, nothing wrong with this at all citizen.  Might as well get used to it...

/ps for the hard of seeing, that dude is pointing a M4 at your face for daring to look out his/her window.
//doubleplusungood


So sick of this part of this shiat...  "that dude" is doing what would be expected in the situation, whether he's sitting in an armored vehicle or not. He is ready to deal with whatever comes his way. If there had been a sniper, and that dude got taken out because his weapon was not at the ready, people would be ragging on him for being incompetent.

WTF was law enforcement supposed to do? Tip toe down the center of the street calling "olly olly oxen free, come out come out wherever you are" ???

If they had done anything less, someone else would give them shiat for not doing enough.
 
2013-04-25 10:58:48 PM

tuna fingers: What sport is that?

[i.huffpost.com image 450x600]


football before real helmets
 
2013-04-25 11:00:32 PM

LessO2: It's gonna be hard to find anyone, short of relatives, to be outraged about shooting at these guys, whether they had any guns or not.   There will likely be more people outraged at the fact little brother didn't die.


I'm outraged. The police are there to uphold the law, I understand that emotions were running high but officers are supposed to be professionals not a lynch mob.
 
2013-04-25 11:01:34 PM

redsquid: Jeez FARK you've put me in some weird positions lately. I hate cops with a passion, but this was actually pretty tame compared to some over-reactions in the past. There were no civilians killed by police or the suspects. It was over within 24 hours. They supposedly have a confession and enough evidence so there is no doubt they got the right guys. The suspects committed a terrorist act, killed a cop, and were actively tossing explosives at law enforcement. I won't use the word 'restraint', but it could have been far worse. As for 'shutting down' the city, I can understand requesting that folks stay inside. The proof of the wisdom of this decision is the fact that no one got shot taking out the trash or walking their dog. I think the house to house searches set a scary precedent that we need to be watchful of, but vigilance is the duty of the civilian. I suspect that decision came from the feds and not the locals. All in all I'd say the handling of this shows an improvement from other cop overkill situations in the past.
Anyway, yeah, I feel really weird now.


It was dumb luck that they didn't shoot anyone else.  They got really lucky they didn't shoot that guy sitting in that chair.

Yes the stay at home shiat was a good move.  I don't think anyone would have been better off on the street with the army going down the street with safeties off.

My point is that they probably could have done the same job
A) with a much smaller force...and not the fricking national guard and swarms of swat team guys with heavy ordinance and itchy trigger fingers.
B) The suspects in this case were easy to spot.  The second suspect was missed by the inch by inch search and found by some boat crazy guy who noticed that a trail of blood was all over his backyard and precious boat.  With all of the guys in full body armor you think that they could have sent ONE guy into find out if the suspect is armed.  And not turned the entire block into a bullet fiesta, where no one really knows why anyone is shooting anymore.
 
2013-04-25 11:05:02 PM
2 words
Fog Of War
 
2013-04-25 11:07:50 PM

tuna fingers: What sport is that?

[i.huffpost.com image 450x600]


Hmmm... looks like American college football, to me. Judging by the helmet and jersey designs, it appears to represent a game sometime in the early to mid-1950's.

i1182.photobucket.com

What were we talking about again?
 
2013-04-25 11:07:57 PM

weasil: LoneDoggie: [img195.imageshack.us image 800x707]

Nope, nothing wrong with this at all citizen.  Might as well get used to it...

/ps for the hard of seeing, that dude is pointing a M4 at your face for daring to look out his/her window.
//doubleplusungood

So sick of this part of this shiat...  "that dude" is doing what would be expected in the situation, whether he's sitting in an armored vehicle or not. He is ready to deal with whatever comes his way. If there had been a sniper, and that dude got taken out because his weapon was not at the ready, people would be ragging on him for being incompetent.

WTF was law enforcement supposed to do? Tip toe down the center of the street calling "olly olly oxen free, come out come out wherever you are" ???

If they had done anything less, someone else would give them shiat for not doing enough.


The thing is, he's pointing his weapon directly at a person a few feet away who is obviously standing in an open window taking his picture.  At that distance, the cop (who's got his make believe solider outfit on with all his awesome tacticool gear on) should very clearly have recognized that a) the face in the window wasn't the same as the picture of the suspect and b) he was just taking a picture and wasn't a threat.  Thus, he should put down the rifle and continue sweeping for an actual threat.

Does that mean an increased danger to the police?  Yes.  But they are supposed to put that pesky Constitution before their lives.  That means they don't get to go all Martial Law all over the citizens just because a SUSPECT MIGHT be nearby.  They should be following the rule of law and not recklessly pointing loaded rifles are obviously innocent civilians.

Here's some news crew footage of it:  http://www.mrctv.org/sites/default/files/embedcache/120977.html


I'm sorry, but if you ask me to choose Safety or Liberty, I'll keep my Liberty and take my chances.  They should have been getting search warrants.  That, however, would have actually required them to articulate probable cause for each individual house, which they obviously didn't have.  Judges don't normally give the cops carte blanche to go on fishing expeditions.  So, they just went Judge Dredd and did what they liked.
 
2013-04-25 11:11:54 PM
So wait, we're talking about the guys that have several explosives and DID shoot a cop (MIT), right?  So we're upset he didn't have enough guns now or what?  Weren't people worried that a chased man known to have explosives would do when he was cornered?  Sure, send one guy with a vest.
 
2013-04-25 11:13:02 PM

Bonanza Jellybean: o5iiawah: echomike23: so they didn't have a m4 carbine?

I heard it was a Glock AK-47 with detachable high-capacity 30 bullet clip mags.  Collapsible stocks and barrel shrouds included...

Actually they had multiple 900-round ammo belts, and the bullets were injected with depleted uraniaum and then sprayed with teflon so they would penetrate SWAT vests. And they soaked them in rat poison so they wounds wouldn't coagulate.

/and their unexploded bombs were filled with ebola virus


You've got it all wrong, they were armed with AR-69 Dildo Assault Rifles.

i47.tinypic.com
 
2013-04-25 11:14:11 PM

remus: I'm sorry, but if you ask me to choose Safety or Liberty, I'll keep my Liberty and take my chances. They should have been getting search warrants.


You are very brave.

If you had been on the scene, this whole tragedy would have been averted.
 
2013-04-25 11:14:33 PM

401kman: It was dumb luck that they didn't shoot anyone else. They got really lucky they didn't shoot that guy sitting in that chair.

Yes the stay at home shiat was a good move. I don't think anyone would have been better off on the street with the army going down the street with safeties off.

My point is that they probably could have done the same job
A) with a much smaller force...and not the fricking national guard and swarms of swat team guys with heavy ordinance and itchy trigger fingers.
B) The suspects in this case were easy to spot. The second suspect was missed by the inch by inch search and found by some boat crazy guy who noticed that a trail of blood was all over his backyard and precious boat. With all of the guys in full body armor you think that they could have sent ONE guy into find out if the suspect is armed. And not turned the entire block into a bullet fiesta, where no one really knows why anyone is shooting anymore.


I agree about the smaller force thing. I also think it would have worked just as well if it was handled by the locals. I think the feds and National Guard probably made things worse. I know the use of different radios by different agencies probably made communications far less efficient. On the other hand, if this had been a well organized terror cell and the Boston boys flubbed it, the press and arm chair strategists would have eaten them alive.
Of course the photo of the soldier pointing his rifle at the photographer in their own house is pretty scary. The civil liberties precedent is the most worrying outcome of this story. Like I said, we need to insure it doesn't become the norm.
 
2013-04-25 11:15:15 PM

trappedspirit: 2 words
Fog Of War


No one expects the Fog of War.
 
2013-04-25 11:17:34 PM

Evil High Priest: sporkme: civilians pushed around and confined to their homes,

Did this happen in "reality", or just in your melon? Follow-up question: How many black helicopters do you see, right now?


"Shelter in place," go here, don't go there, do that, "what's in that bag?" Mr. random guy that in no way resembles our target. They were filmed being pushy and I am not a tinfoil hatter. I don't want my policemen to act like our military any more than I want our military to act like policemen. Was it really necessary to lock down that whole portion of Boston, especially with the hindsight knowledge that a random guy going out for a smoke found the farker? Armored personnel carriers vs pressure cookers? It looked like theater, and the people were intimidated.

My cousin is a cop (she is blonde and hot, btw) and so is her husband (who is a douche), and they voiced concerns similar to mine regarding the response. They thought it was too intimidating and would have preferred that the toys and the attitude were traditional, not military. They did wish that they got to play with the toys, though.

I am not asking the police for a symmetrical response, but didn't their military equipment seem a bit extreme to you? Didn't it seem like maybe they have been looking forward to playing with all of their new toys?

We can't just accept whatever they do whenever they do it as inherently necessary, because incrementally our lack of objection will breed a consistently unacceptable enforcement apparatus. Again, I am not a conspiracy theorist, but I am definitely a person who expects my government to respect my rights, just as I respect my government's legitimate authority. Complacent bargaining away of rights undermines the legitimacy of authority. The response was disproportionate to the threat. Unless an army is invading Boston, I don't want to see armored vehicles, and unless the police have reason to suspect everybody, I don't want them to suspect everybody.

Either that, or whatever the police do is just fine, because police are doing it, and they always play by the rules.

/brb another helicopter
 
2013-04-25 11:18:39 PM

jso2897: trappedspirit: 2 words
Fog Of War

No one expects the Fog of War.


you never see it coming
 
2013-04-25 11:20:19 PM

MrHappyRotter: Good god, it's like half of Fark is 90% haters, half is 90% retards and the other half is 90% psychos.


40% dolomite.


i.imgur.com
 
2013-04-25 11:20:47 PM

His Sonshine: FTA: We already knew that Dzhokhar was a pothead..

But by all means let's legalize marijuana. So we get more of these kinds of things? No thanks.


You know you can get high without killing anybody, right?
 
2013-04-25 11:21:31 PM

doyner: since the rules of engagement were "don't fire unless fired upon," obviously he was armed.


Feh. I'm sure the two ladies in a pickup truck, the ones mistaken by cops for Dorner, were quite thrilled to learn those "rules of engagement", when those cops fired around 100 rounds at them. Boston cops, chasing two suspected terrorists? I'm surprised that the cops only shot at them, to be honest, instead of cornering him and setting fire to the friggin' boat.

Please.
 
2013-04-25 11:23:12 PM

take_flight: Talking fact based only...NO conspiracy theories...there's a bunch I don't like about the whole thing. All of this is just the tip of the iceberg. My questions started with the press conference the night of the capture. The very carefully chosen language got my attention, plus the fact that the whole bombing was really a huge failure compared to what they had reportedly planned. Then this kid ran like a scared jackrabbit, running his brother over in the process. They had virtually no set plan for after the bombing. I just don't get it. I guess acts of violence on this scale really shouldn't make sense, but this whole thing smacks of confusion, even on the part of law enforcement...except for the press conference.


Here are a couple of other questions:
- At least 3 other devices were found - who placed them? It's not like they were wearing multiple backpacks.
- Who firebombed the JFK Library?
 
2013-04-25 11:23:15 PM
remus: Here's some news crew footage of it:  http://www.mrctv.org/sites/default/files/embedcache/120977.html

Not cool, toy soldiers. Not cool.
 
2013-04-25 11:23:54 PM
Old enough to know better: Just farking great. How long until this kid gets turned into some kind of tea party hero who's been victimized by the evil government?


As you may know, there is an ideal, a "concept" that we commonly refer to as the "Rule of Law" - you know, the Constitutionally Founded principles that we, as a society, are ideally to adhere to in the interest of peace, safety, order and justice.

The "thing" that (supposedly) differentiates the "good guys" from the "bad guys" is that the former are EXPECTED to adhere to the "Rule of Law" - and by so doing, they retain the "Moral High-Ground", thereby earning the trust and support of The People.

Once the "good guys" -  the AUTHORITAY - forsake or abandon the "Rule of Law" for ANY reason, the "Moral High-Ground" is lost, and all simply becomes a contest of raw force and WILL, and we surrender our future to that HOPE that those with the greatest force will act in the best interests of society at large.

Dangerous territory, don't you think?

You may have noticed that this "Might Makes Right" attitude has become increasingly dominant in our affairs - both domestic and international - over the past several decades.

Historically, this type of behavior has NOT bode well for social order, or for the future of any society that embraces such behavior.

I have no reason to suspect that history would grant an exception in our case.

Do you?
 
2013-04-25 11:24:20 PM

sporkme: We can't just accept whatever they do whenever they do it as inherently necessary, because incrementally our lack of objection will breed a consistently unacceptable enforcement apparatus. Again, I am not a conspiracy theorist, but I am definitely a person who expects my government to respect my rights, just as I respect my government's legitimate authority. Complacent bargaining away of rights undermines the legitimacy of authority. The response was disproportionate to the threat. Unless an army is invading Boston, I don't want to see armored vehicles, and unless the police have reason to suspect everybody, I don't want them to suspect everybody.


Well said.
 
2013-04-25 11:25:22 PM
*scans thread*

*Tosses a huge roll of tinfoil at the usual suspects*
 
2013-04-25 11:26:15 PM

fusillade762: MrHappyRotter: Good god, it's like half of Fark is 90% haters, half is 90% retards and the other half is 90% psychos.

Haters, retards and psychos, oh my!


He got me on all three. 3x90=....well, let's just say my head hurts.
 
2013-04-25 11:28:16 PM
Walker [TotalFark]

Wow, how many times is this story gonna change? And people wonder why other people believe in conspiracy theories.

I don't believe in conspiracy theories...... but I'm also not fool enough to believe what cops say.
 
2013-04-25 11:29:31 PM

FormlessOne: - At least 3 other devices were found - who placed them? It's not like they were wearing multiple backpacks.


[citation needed]

- Who firebombed the JFK Library?

[citation needed]
 
2013-04-25 11:29:59 PM

Amos Quito: winchester92: I live in Watertown and tow for the state and local police, I towed one of the smashed and shot-up police cruisers from the scene of the shootout. It's incredible how much of the story the media got wrong. They also never mentioned the name of the boat. I know it because I have friends who know the owner personally, and we looked up the boat name in the Watertown Yacht Club directory. BTW, it's "Slip Away II". Is that freaky or what ??

"All the Federales say
They could have had him any day
They only let him Slip Away
Out of kindness, I suppose..."


You have a really unhealthy obsession with outlaws. Just saying. Protip: romanticizing lawbreakers doesn't make them innocent.
 
2013-04-25 11:32:55 PM
Those cops totally overreacted.

I know because 6 days later I have a much better understanding of what happened.
 
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