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2013-04-25 09:46:27 PM

pedrop357: The FBI agent and state police officer that were fired on by other cops might be a little angry, as should all the people whose houses were riddled with bullets by police who were operating on bad information and shoot like shiat.


The only cop who is likely pissed (or at least trying to) is the transit cop to took a bullet to the jimmy.

The homeowners will likely just take pictures and chalk it up to the heat of the moment.
 
2013-04-25 09:46:59 PM

IntertubeUser: After capturing the younger brother, my opinion of law enforcement improved a bit.  And now...this.  Cops are generally lying sacks of shiat who are marginally better than the scum they're after, but they are still generally lying sacks of shiat.

Never trust cops to tell the truth.  Ever.



Treat them with respect due vampires.

Never invite them into your home.
Do not engage them in conversation.
Avoid the places they frequent.
 
2013-04-25 09:47:41 PM

jaytkay: ZOMG all the exact details were not known immediately in a chaotic situation!!!

UNPOSSIBLE!!!!


A) Why does it matter what the exact details are?
B) Doesn't stop them from bullshiatting anyway
 
2013-04-25 09:47:47 PM

LessO2: ohknaks: I'm pretty outraged about the police response to this whole situation. Shutting down a major US city for nearly a week and shooting at unarmed suspects? This isn't Judge Dredd. The police don't get to dole out death to those they think that deserve it. We have courts for a reason in this country.

Shutting down a city for a week?   Uh, didn't they "shut things down" just on Friday?   And it's not like they ordered everyone to stay inside, they recommended people to stay inside.

I'm not a badge defender, but c'mon, at least get your facts straight.   Especially in a thread from a story about getting facts wrong.


But...there's no fun to be had in being factual.
 
2013-04-25 09:47:53 PM

LessO2: pedrop357: The FBI agent and state police officer that were fired on by other cops might be a little angry, as should all the people whose houses were riddled with bullets by police who were operating on bad information and shoot like shiat.

The only cop who is likely pissed (or at least trying to) is the transit cop to took a bullet to the jimmy.

The homeowners will likely just take pictures and chalk it up to the heat of the moment.


Umm.  There were two other cops shot at.  One FBI agent and one state trooper.  They were shot at by stupid cops operating on more bad information.  I don't care what happened to them, but they might.
 
2013-04-25 09:48:25 PM

pedrop357: I'd be happy if they just accepted that everyone in the area still has civil rights and can't be ordered out of their house so it can be searched without a warrant, nor ordered to stay indoors.


The real heroes are the libertarians who hampered the search for a bomber and cop-killer.

Never, ever comply with any request for help. Interacting with other people makes you weak.

/ Plus they might eat your Cheetos
 
2013-04-25 09:49:10 PM

carrion_luggage: To paraphrase Will Munny, "Well, if he was gonna detonate a bomb that killed an eight year old boy and two women, and maimed scores of innocent bystanders, he shoulda armed himself."

/but Little Dzokhar was gonna build a house!


Damn skippy.
 
2013-04-25 09:49:37 PM

jaytkay: cameroncrazy1984: Is Boston-ghazi a scandal yet?

Here's an actual headline: "Republicans: Boston bombings reveal intel system still broken "

/ Not gonna link to that nonsense


Last I heard they were going after the immigration system and the INS for not being clairvoyant and predicting a decade in advance that two kids would become terrorists after moving here.
 
2013-04-25 09:49:41 PM

megarian: Am I just really high or did they suggest that pot had something to do with the bombing?

Because no.


You're really high.  But it also called him a pothead.
 
2013-04-25 09:50:04 PM
First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.

With all these articles lately it appears Alex Jones has reached stage three.
 
2013-04-25 09:50:41 PM

TheManofPA: Amos Quito: jaytkay: ZOMG all the exact details were not known immediately in a chaotic situation!!!

UNPOSSIBLE!!!!


When in doubt, make shiat up.

Chances are that MOST people will remember the made up shiat, and pay little mind to the pesky "details" as they trickle out anyway.

Kind of related, wonder how many people remember Richard Jewell as the Olympics bomber.


I was just talking about that the other day and couldn't for the life of me remember the actual bombers name. Yay media!
 
2013-04-25 09:53:50 PM

BafflerMeal: IntertubeUser: After capturing the younger brother, my opinion of law enforcement improved a bit.  And now...this.  Cops are generally lying sacks of shiat who are marginally better than the scum they're after, but they are still generally lying sacks of shiat.

Never trust cops to tell the truth.  Ever.


Treat them with respect due vampires.

Never invite them into your home.
Do not engage them in conversation.
Avoid the places they frequent.



And hang LOTS of garlic.


/Unless they're Italian vampires
 
2013-04-25 09:55:04 PM

redsquid: TheManofPA: Amos Quito: jaytkay: ZOMG all the exact details were not known immediately in a chaotic situation!!!

UNPOSSIBLE!!!!


When in doubt, make shiat up.

Chances are that MOST people will remember the made up shiat, and pay little mind to the pesky "details" as they trickle out anyway.

Kind of related, wonder how many people remember Richard Jewell as the Olympics bomber.

I was just talking about that the other day and couldn't for the life of me remember the actual bombers name. Yay media!


Olympic Bomber?
Seems like they'll make a sport out of anything these days.

You think the kids were just training athletes?

/Smells like fire outside the bread basket
 
2013-04-25 09:55:43 PM
I have not read any comments or the article that is linked. I read and saw some things that trouble me though. The guy was unarmed. He appeared to be able to get out of the boat without trouble. Suddenly, he is in life threatening condition in the hospital and can't talk. Police are people. They can overreact. They re, however, paid to NOT overreact. to uphold the law. Law that requires due process. It seems to me, he was not.He was a shoot first ask questions later suspect........ Suspect.   Not convicted felon and escapee. A possible suspect.

He was fine getting in and out of the boat. He had no weapons. He was nearly dead, and most likely expected to be, when they got him in custody. If he did what he is accused of, he is a giant asshole, if he didn't he is a poor soul. No matter what, the police response was ridiculous and unAmerican. It was very totalitarian. House clearing and all.

Innocent unless proven guilty. Unless. Not until..
 
2013-04-25 09:56:23 PM

CruJones: megarian: Am I just really high or did they suggest that pot had something to do with the bombing?

Because no.

You're really high.  But it also called him a pothead.


Well, that's a relief.

Kind of...
 
2013-04-25 09:56:33 PM
I think cops can shoot anyone whether they have a gun or not.   I'm not sure of the rules but LAPD shot a pickup truck full of holes.   40 shots I believe, at two unarmed newspaper women.    It wasn't the color, make or model they were looking for but still.     You can shoot if you think they could possibly have 'weapon', like a newspaper.

A day later they rammed another pickup off the road, again not matching at all the truck in question.   I think they shot a few times and the truck burned.

So this article is kind all over the map in its story line.   But in the end, I think we see that these Boston cops are sluffs.   LA laughs at you.
 
2013-04-25 09:58:41 PM
SUPPRESSING FIRE!
 
2013-04-25 10:01:35 PM
I blame TV. No, really. All that sanitized violence, I'm sure these two thought a few people would fly through the air a few feet, then get up and dust themselves off and walk away. They were just as surprised as the rest of us when the arms and legs started flying. That's when they realized when things might have gotten a bit out of hand. Killing the security officer for his gun and throwing pipe bombs out the window at their outsiders? More Tom and Jerry antics.

Yep, TV is definitely to blame.
 
2013-04-25 10:02:25 PM
ftfa: Law enforcement believes that the Tsarnaev brothers tried and failed to steal Collier's gun after shooting him from behind, the first of several things that went wrong for the two young suspected terrorists that night.

So, they failed to 'steal' a gun from a dead man? Wow. That's a lot of fail right there.
 
2013-04-25 10:03:51 PM

redsquid: TheManofPA: Amos Quito: jaytkay: ZOMG all the exact details were not known immediately in a chaotic situation!!!

UNPOSSIBLE!!!!


When in doubt, make shiat up.

Chances are that MOST people will remember the made up shiat, and pay little mind to the pesky "details" as they trickle out anyway.

Kind of related, wonder how many people remember Richard Jewell as the Olympics bomber.

I was just talking about that the other day and couldn't for the life of me remember the actual bombers name. Yay media!


It was Jack Ruby.
 
2013-04-25 10:05:13 PM
He ran over his brother while he was still alive. Shot, but alive...

He can rot in jail for the rest of his life haunted by this fact.
 
2013-04-25 10:06:43 PM
Just wondering something.  I was listening on the scanner that Friday and I remember after that first firefight someone was saying to make sure to load up on the rubber bullets.  I don't remember the exact words but he mentioned rubber bullets twice and I certainly had the impression they were not using live ammo.  I figured they wanted to get this guy alive.

Accepting that they were using rubber bullets instead of live ammo, could they have opened fire with the intent to incapacitate without killing thereby making his having a gun irrelevant?  If he had a gun or not (which it looks like he didn't at the time), could pelting him with rubber shots been a tactic to make him easier to approach?
 
2013-04-25 10:06:50 PM

megarian: Am I just really high or did they suggest that pot had something to do with the bombing?

Because no.


Depends on how you look at it.  If you read at a third grade level or above, you might read it completely differently than a 6 year old child.
 
2013-04-25 10:07:26 PM

pedrop357: LessO2: pedrop357: The FBI agent and state police officer that were fired on by other cops might be a little angry, as should all the people whose houses were riddled with bullets by police who were operating on bad information and shoot like shiat.

The only cop who is likely pissed (or at least trying to) is the transit cop to took a bullet to the jimmy.

The homeowners will likely just take pictures and chalk it up to the heat of the moment.

Umm.  There were two other cops shot at.  One FBI agent and one state trooper.  They were shot at by stupid cops operating on more bad information.  I don't care what happened to them, but they might.


Fact of the matter is, they robbed a 7-11 at gunpoint and believed they had killed the MIT cop.  Does it matter how many guns the brothers had?  One, two, three....20?   Does it make a difference in the heat of the moment?

The FBI guy and the Trooper weren't hit.  They likely chalked it up to the heat of the moment.

Like I mentioned before, and that you conveniently ignored, there was a transit cop that was also shot.
 
2013-04-25 10:07:38 PM
Good god, it's like half of Fark is 90% haters, half is 90% retards and the other half is 90% psychos.
 
2013-04-25 10:07:58 PM
Talking fact based only...NO conspiracy theories...there's a bunch I don't like about the whole thing. All of this is just the tip of the iceberg. My questions started with the press conference the night of the capture. The very carefully chosen language got my attention, plus the fact that the whole bombing was really a huge failure compared to what they had reportedly planned. Then this kid ran like a scared jackrabbit, running his brother over in the process. They had virtually no set plan for after the bombing. I just don't get it. I guess acts of violence on this scale really shouldn't make sense, but this whole thing smacks of confusion, even on the part of law enforcement...except for the press conference.
 
2013-04-25 10:09:25 PM
I'm still convinced Dzhokhar thought he was just playing a marble prank a la Animal House.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=MwlRiq-bIms #t =2s

I mean, the ball bearings were too small to kill people efficiently...
 
2013-04-25 10:09:27 PM

flyinglizard: redsquid: TheManofPA: Amos Quito: jaytkay: ZOMG all the exact details were not known immediately in a chaotic situation!!!

UNPOSSIBLE!!!!


When in doubt, make shiat up.

Chances are that MOST people will remember the made up shiat, and pay little mind to the pesky "details" as they trickle out anyway.

Kind of related, wonder how many people remember Richard Jewell as the Olympics bomber.

I was just talking about that the other day and couldn't for the life of me remember the actual bombers name. Yay media!

It was Jack Ruby.


It was Eric Rudolph.

Jack Ruby, Ruby for short, is the guy they made that football movie about.
 
2013-04-25 10:09:55 PM
What happened to the story that "it was a remarkable coincidence that the brothers got gas at a 7-11 that happened to be undergoing a robbery at the time"? Or the car with MA plates that was being look for in CT? I heard both of those, repeatedly, and from multiple local radio stations.
 
2013-04-25 10:10:48 PM

MrHappyRotter: Good god, it's like half of Fark is 90% haters, half is 90% retards and the other half is 90% psychos.


Which group do you fall into, MrHappyRotter?
 
2013-04-25 10:10:57 PM

Tourney3p0: megarian: Am I just really high or did they suggest that pot had something to do with the bombing?

Because no.

Depends on how you look at it.  If you read at a third grade level or above, you might read it completely differently than a 6 year old child.


I'll split the difference and go for 5th grade level.

/wasn't good at math, either
 
2013-04-25 10:11:43 PM

Evil High Priest: ftfa: Law enforcement believes that the Tsarnaev brothers tried and failed to steal Collier's gun after shooting him from behind, the first of several things that went wrong for the two young suspected terrorists that night.

So, they failed to 'steal' a gun from a dead man? Wow. That's a lot of fail right there.


Police holsters are designed to make it hard for someone other than the person wearing it to remove the gun. You have to take the gun out at the proper angle or something. I bet the gun got stuck and they panicked and ran.
 
2013-04-25 10:13:02 PM

Walker: Wow, how many times is this story gonna change? And people wonder why other people believe in conspiracy theories.


Ever hear the term "the fog of war"? Now you know first-hand what it means.
 
2013-04-25 10:13:54 PM

MrHappyRotter: Good god, it's like half of Fark is 90% haters, half is 90% retards and the other half is 90% psychos.


Haters, retards and psychos, oh my!
 
2013-04-25 10:14:33 PM
FTA: We already knew that Dzhokhar was a pothead..

But by all means let's legalize marijuana. So we get more of these kinds of things? No thanks.
 
2013-04-25 10:14:46 PM

jjorsett: Walker: Wow, how many times is this story gonna change? And people wonder why other people believe in conspiracy theories.

Ever hear the term "the fog of war"? Now you know first-hand what it means.


Ever play telephone?
 
2013-04-25 10:17:09 PM

haterade: the DHS should be trigger happy since they fire over 1,000 more bullets per officer per year than US Army soldiers


Soldiers can call in artillery strikes and air support.

/just saying
 
2013-04-25 10:18:04 PM

Amos Quito: allegations of #2's neck wound being "self-inflicted" evaporate...  Also, the only "exchange" of gunfire in the vicinity of the boat was between cops... - #2 shot in the neck while in the boat - unarmed?


I definitely am curious about the neck wound. Supposedly it was from up close, but maybe that was wrong too?
 
2013-04-25 10:18:16 PM

winchester92: I live in Watertown and tow for the state and local police, I towed one of the smashed and shot-up police cruisers from the scene of the shootout. It's incredible how much of the story the media got wrong. They also never mentioned the name of the boat. I know it because I have friends who know the owner personally, and we looked up the boat name in the Watertown Yacht Club directory. BTW, it's "Slip Away II". Is that freaky or what ??


"All the Federales say
They could have had him any day
They only let him Slip Away
Out of kindness, I suppose..."
 
2013-04-25 10:18:35 PM

chumboobler: I have not read any comments or the article that is linked. I read and saw some things that trouble me though. The guy was unarmed. He appeared to be able to get out of the boat without trouble. Suddenly, he is in life threatening condition in the hospital and can't talk. Police are people. They can overreact. They re, however, paid to NOT overreact. to uphold the law. Law that requires due process. It seems to me, he was not.He was a shoot first ask questions later suspect........ Suspect.   Not convicted felon and escapee. A possible suspect.

He was fine getting in and out of the boat. He had no weapons. He was nearly dead, and most likely expected to be, when they got him in custody. If he did what he is accused of, he is a giant asshole, if he didn't he is a poor soul. No matter what, the police response was ridiculous and unAmerican. It was very totalitarian. House clearing and all.

Innocent unless proven guilty. Unless. Not until..


This.

To me they looked like a bunch of boys out playing with their toys. All of that homeland security funded military equipment on parade, houses searched, civilians pushed around and confined to their homes, bus loads of tactical-vested shiat-kickers all around, vigorously exercising authority and wiping their brows with the Constitution-- they must have been feeling pretty jacked up by the time the smoker noticed a Chechen in his boat.

"To hell with it, boys, we've been trampling liberties all day, what's one more?" Or, more likely, "There he is, KILLKILLKILL... oops"
 
2013-04-25 10:18:43 PM

luxup: flyinglizard: redsquid: TheManofPA: Amos Quito: jaytkay: ZOMG all the exact details were not known immediately in a chaotic situation!!!

UNPOSSIBLE!!!!


When in doubt, make shiat up.

Chances are that MOST people will remember the made up shiat, and pay little mind to the pesky "details" as they trickle out anyway.

Kind of related, wonder how many people remember Richard Jewell as the Olympics bomber.

I was just talking about that the other day and couldn't for the life of me remember the actual bombers name. Yay media!

It was Jack Ruby.

It was Eric Rudolph.

Jack Ruby, Ruby for short, is the guy they made that football movie about.


I thought that was Rudy...Daniel "Rudy" Ruettiger
 
2013-04-25 10:19:59 PM

Evil High Priest: So, they failed to 'steal' a gun from a dead man? Wow. That's a lot of fail right there.


big pig peaches: Police holsters are designed to make it hard for someone other than the person wearing it to remove the gun.


Having to release a couple of retention points is common.

It takes practice it it's your own holster.

Imagine the difficulty if you are a panicky kid who just killed a cop and you don't know much about holsters.
 
2013-04-25 10:20:41 PM

MrHappyRotter: Good god, it's like half of Fark is 90% haters, half is 90% retards and the other half is 90% psychos.


And coming up in the third half of the show is the answer to last week's puzzler.
 
2013-04-25 10:20:42 PM

His Sonshine: FTA: We already knew that Dzhokhar was a pothead..

But by all means let's legalize marijuana. So we get more of these kinds of things? No thanks.


Why not take away pressure cookers?  How about ban fireworks?  High or not, all the pot in the world when sparked up will not go boom.  I'm also absolutely certain it had nothing to do with this kid being a terrorist, his friends said he stopped smoking a while ago.

Besides, with that mom pot probably kept him from blowing something up sooner.
 
2013-04-25 10:21:08 PM

carrion_luggage: I blame TV. No, really. All that sanitized violence, I'm sure these two thought a few people would fly through the air a few feet, then get up and dust themselves off and walk away. They were just as surprised as the rest of us when the arms and legs started flying. That's when they realized when things might have gotten a bit out of hand. Killing the security officer for his gun and throwing pipe bombs out the window at their outsiders? More Tom and Jerry antics.

Yep, TV is definitely to blame.


I think that TV might be the only reason he's still alive.  The cops made up a story about the shootout while Tsarnaev was in the boat to justify killing him and avoiding a trial.  The presence of media nearby might've thwarted that and forced the police into taking him alive.
 
2013-04-25 10:21:54 PM
i.huffpost.com
So, how much do you want to bet that this was a cop bullet that almost killed a resident?

Makes sense too - his house was adjacent to where the bombers were, so he was more in the line of fire from the cops than he was from them.
 
2013-04-25 10:22:11 PM

take_flight: luxup: flyinglizard: redsquid: TheManofPA: Amos Quito: jaytkay: ZOMG all the exact details were not known immediately in a chaotic situation!!!

UNPOSSIBLE!!!!


When in doubt, make shiat up.

Chances are that MOST people will remember the made up shiat, and pay little mind to the pesky "details" as they trickle out anyway.

Kind of related, wonder how many people remember Richard Jewell as the Olympics bomber.

I was just talking about that the other day and couldn't for the life of me remember the actual bombers name. Yay media!

It was Jack Ruby.

It was Eric Rudolph.

Jack Ruby, Ruby for short, is the guy they made that football movie about.

I thought that was Rudy...Daniel "Rudy" Ruettiger


Ha! Jack Ruby killed Lee Harvey Oswald...yup...yay media!
 
2013-04-25 10:22:29 PM

sporkme: civilians pushed around and confined to their homes,


Did this happen in "reality", or just in your melon? Follow-up question: How many black helicopters do you see, right now?
 
2013-04-25 10:22:34 PM

take_flight: luxup: flyinglizard: redsquid: TheManofPA: Amos Quito: jaytkay: ZOMG all the exact details were not known immediately in a chaotic situation!!!

UNPOSSIBLE!!!!


When in doubt, make shiat up.

Chances are that MOST people will remember the made up shiat, and pay little mind to the pesky "details" as they trickle out anyway.

Kind of related, wonder how many people remember Richard Jewell as the Olympics bomber.

I was just talking about that the other day and couldn't for the life of me remember the actual bombers name. Yay media!

It was Jack Ruby.

It was Eric Rudolph.

Jack Ruby, Ruby for short, is the guy they made that football movie about.

I thought that was Rudy...Daniel "Rudy" Ruettiger


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTwnwbG9YLE
 
2013-04-25 10:22:43 PM

take_flight: luxup: flyinglizard: redsquid: TheManofPA: Amos Quito: jaytkay: ZOMG all the exact details were not known immediately in a chaotic situation!!!

UNPOSSIBLE!!!!


When in doubt, make shiat up.

Chances are that MOST people will remember the made up shiat, and pay little mind to the pesky "details" as they trickle out anyway.

Kind of related, wonder how many people remember Richard Jewell as the Olympics bomber.

I was just talking about that the other day and couldn't for the life of me remember the actual bombers name. Yay media!

It was Jack Ruby.

It was Eric Rudolph.

Jack Ruby, Ruby for short, is the guy they made that football movie about.

I thought that was Rudy...Daniel "Rudy" Ruettiger


No, that was Daniel "Day" Lewis.
 
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