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2013-04-25 08:10:18 PM
Wow, how many times is this story gonna change? And people wonder why other people believe in conspiracy theories.
 
2013-04-25 08:18:04 PM

Walker: Wow, how many times is this story gonna change? And people wonder why other people believe in conspiracy theories.


It's almost as if this whole thing was a lot more complicated than some episode of CSI that wraps up in an hour.
 
2013-04-25 08:34:48 PM
since the rules of engagement were "don't fire unless fired upon," obviously he was armed.
 
2013-04-25 08:50:49 PM
At least the Boston PD didn't shoot up any asian paper delivery women, amirite?
 
2013-04-25 08:55:55 PM

Krieghund: Walker: Wow, how many times is this story gonna change? And people wonder why other people believe in conspiracy theories.

It's almost as if this whole thing was a lot more complicated than some episode of CSI that wraps up in an hour.


I'm just glad the media won't pull shiat out of their arse to sensationalize events
 
2013-04-25 09:04:14 PM

Walker: Wow, how many times is this story gonna change?



As many times as it takes?

Interesting story - should make an interesting thread.

"Three guns" shrinks to one gun...  allegations of #2's neck wound being "self-inflicted" evaporate...  Also, the only "exchange" of gunfire in the vicinity of the boat was between cops... - #2 shot in the neck while in the boat - unarmed?

And the Grand Tradition of Dorner Newspaper Deliverers Marksmanship lives on as "over 200 shots fired" in the "shootout" (mostly by the police, obviously) and few hit their targets.

Here's a link to the more detailed NY Times article referenced in the story. I would imagine there will be more to come in the morning and in the ensuing days.

Two bad men did bad, bad things, and while I'm happy that they won't be doing more, it appears that law enforcement is overdue for some serious introspection.
 
2013-04-25 09:07:20 PM

doyner: since the rules of engagement were "don't fire unless fired upon," obviously he was armed.



No one wants to be on the receiving end of hot lead.

Shoot first.

Answer the uncomfortable questions later.
 
2013-04-25 09:20:29 PM
so they didn't have a m4 carbine?
 
2013-04-25 09:22:40 PM
 
2013-04-25 09:27:28 PM
It's gonna be hard to find anyone, short of relatives, to be outraged about shooting at these guys, whether they had any guns or not.   There will likely be more people outraged at the fact little brother didn't die.
 
2013-04-25 09:27:41 PM
ZOMG all the exact details were not known immediately in a chaotic situation!!!

UNPOSSIBLE!!!!
 
2013-04-25 09:29:50 PM

LessO2: It's gonna be hard to find anyone, short of relatives, to be outraged about shooting at these guys, whether they had any guns or not.   There will likely be more people outraged at the fact little brother didn't die.


I'm pretty outraged about the police response to this whole situation. Shutting down a major US city for nearly a week and shooting at unarmed suspects? This isn't Judge Dredd. The police don't get to dole out death to those they think that deserve it. We have courts for a reason in this country.
 
2013-04-25 09:30:34 PM
Drug money??

Better arrest the pharmaceutical industry executives and see why they hate 'Murica.
Oh wait thats a legal drug that is destroying America with terrorist old ladies going to Target. But she did not have a drivers license so no crime committed.

/This just in: Cops shoot the fark out of the neighborhood as they carry out an execution warrant. Cops even shot themselves since all cops look alike in the dark.
//At least Boston will only be paying out less than a $hundred grand for the naked in the street strip search and that dragging of the scared girl out of her home by the home invasion goons.
 
2013-04-25 09:30:34 PM

jaytkay: ZOMG all the exact details were not known immediately in a chaotic situation!!!

UNPOSSIBLE!!!!


Is Boston-ghazi a scandal yet?
 
2013-04-25 09:30:40 PM

echomike23: so they didn't have a m4 carbine?


I heard it was a Glock AK-47 with detachable high-capacity 30 bullet clip mags.  Collapsible stocks and barrel shrouds included...
 
2013-04-25 09:30:40 PM

Amos Quito: doyner: since the rules of engagement were "don't fire unless fired upon," obviously he was armed.


No one wants to be on the receiving end of hot lead.

Shoot first.

Answer the uncomfortable questions later.


Cops have been shot during traffic stops before. No one wants be on the receiving end of hot lead. So, shoot everyone in the car when they pull it over? Officer safety! Amiright?
 
2013-04-25 09:30:42 PM

jaytkay: ZOMG all the exact details were not known immediately in a chaotic situation!!!

UNPOSSIBLE!!!!


No details at all were known. There's an unidentified person prone in a shrinkwrapped boat.

Better fire everything we have into this unknown person.
 
2013-04-25 09:31:13 PM

sheep snorter: Drug money??

Better arrest the pharmaceutical industry executives and see why they hate 'Murica.
Oh wait thats a legal drug that is destroying America with terrorist old ladies going to Target. But she did not have a drivers license so no crime committed.


wat.
 
2013-04-25 09:31:19 PM

jaytkay: ZOMG all the exact details were not known immediately in a chaotic situation!!!

UNPOSSIBLE!!!!



When in doubt, make shiat up.

Chances are that MOST people will remember the made up shiat, and pay little mind to the pesky "details" as they trickle out anyway.
 
2013-04-25 09:32:24 PM
remote control used for remote control cars. And according to CBS News, it was bought with drug money.

See! See! Mari-huana kills! Just say no, children!
 
2013-04-25 09:32:27 PM
So the cops went ape shiat crazy and shot hundreds of bullets at an unarmed guy.... do tell

The only thing it sounds well done about the response to this attack was the medical treatment of the victims.

Other than that, it sounds like the cops/fbi did their usual lousy job with the infinite resources they posses.

Cut the FBI budget in half.  Stop all the anything done without warrants.  I would rather take the chance of being a victim in one of these attacks than have these trigger happy bungling idiots on my side
 
2013-04-25 09:32:29 PM

tankjr: jaytkay: ZOMG all the exact details were not known immediately in a chaotic situation!!!

UNPOSSIBLE!!!!

No details at all were known. There's an unidentified person prone in a shrinkwrapped boat.

Better fire everything we have into this unknown person.


Wat.
 
2013-04-25 09:32:51 PM
They had one gun?

Odds are the transit cop who was badly wounded in Watertown took some friendly fire.
 
2013-04-25 09:34:38 PM

remus: Amos Quito: doyner: since the rules of engagement were "don't fire unless fired upon," obviously he was armed.


No one wants to be on the receiving end of hot lead.

Shoot first.

Answer the uncomfortable questions later.

Cops have been shot during traffic stops before. No one wants be on the receiving end of hot lead. So, shoot everyone in the car when they pull it over? Officer safety! Amiright?


Now you're thinking like a Badge Man!
 
2013-04-25 09:34:40 PM
I for one am glad that this will never happen again.
 
2013-04-25 09:34:41 PM

LessO2: It's gonna be hard to find anyone, short of relatives, to be outraged about shooting at these guys, whether they had any guns or not.   There will likely be more people outraged at the fact little brother didn't die.


The FBI agent and state police officer that were fired on by other cops might be a little angry, as should all the people whose houses were riddled with bullets by police who were operating on bad information and shoot like shiat.
 
2013-04-25 09:34:47 PM

o5iiawah: echomike23: so they didn't have a m4 carbine?

I heard it was a Glock AK-47 with detachable high-capacity 30 bullet clip mags.  Collapsible stocks and barrel shrouds included...


Actually they had multiple 900-round ammo belts, and the bullets were injected with depleted uraniaum and then sprayed with teflon so they would penetrate SWAT vests. And they soaked them in rat poison so they wounds wouldn't coagulate.

/and their unexploded bombs were filled with ebola virus
 
2013-04-25 09:35:37 PM
All I know is if I read the word "pothead" in an article I immediately cease caring.

And as a pothead, offended.  I demand retribution.
 
WGJ
2013-04-25 09:36:14 PM
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Basically what it boiled down to.
 
2013-04-25 09:36:22 PM

cameroncrazy1984: Is Boston-ghazi a scandal yet?


Here's an actual headline: "Republicans: Boston bombings reveal intel system still broken "

/ Not gonna link to that nonsense
 
2013-04-25 09:36:25 PM

ohknaks: This isn't Judge Dredd. The police don't get to dole out death to those they think that deserve it. We have courts for a reason in this country.

 
2013-04-25 09:37:17 PM
I think they all need to sent back to the range.  All those bullets shot and they didn't even kill him?
 
2013-04-25 09:37:21 PM

remus: Amos Quito: doyner: since the rules of engagement were "don't fire unless fired upon," obviously he was armed.


No one wants to be on the receiving end of hot lead.

Shoot first.

Answer the uncomfortable questions later.

Cops have been shot during traffic stops before. No one wants be on the receiving end of hot lead. So, shoot everyone in the car when they pull it over? Officer safety! Amiright?


THAT, well the variation of that, is the problem.  They exaggerate the risks to themselves, exaggerate the capabilities of their opponent, then treat everyone they encounter as an opponent while placing their safety above all else. This is a recipe for disaster and serious injury and death to anyone unlucky enough to be in range of them.
 
2013-04-25 09:38:37 PM

Krieghund: It's almost as if this whole thing was a lot more complicated than some episode of CSI that wraps up in an hour.


If I've learned anything from CSI, it's that they have the most advanced computers in the world, capable of enhancing just about anything.
 
2013-04-25 09:39:26 PM

ohknaks: Shutting down a major US city for nearly a week


I don't even know where to start on all the things that are wrong with what you wrote.
 
2013-04-25 09:39:26 PM
How did they know it was him in the boat and not random homeless guy? Did they look in the boat first and then just open fire?
 
2013-04-25 09:40:19 PM

Therion: ohknaks: This isn't Judge Dredd. The police don't get to dole out death to those they think that deserve it. We have courts for a reason in this country.


This.

I'd be happy if they just accepted that everyone in the area still has civil rights and can't be ordered out of their house so it can be searched without a warrant, nor ordered to stay indoors.
 
2013-04-25 09:41:10 PM

poot_rootbeer: ohknaks: Shutting down a major US city for nearly a week

I don't even know where to start on all the things that are wrong with what you wrote.


OK, shutting down big parts of a major city and surrounding cities for 36 or so hours and searching house without warrants.

Is that better?
 
2013-04-25 09:41:34 PM

ohknaks: I'm pretty outraged about the police response to this whole situation. Shutting down a major US city for nearly a week and shooting at unarmed suspects? This isn't Judge Dredd. The police don't get to dole out death to those they think that deserve it. We have courts for a reason in this country.


Shutting down a city for a week?   Uh, didn't they "shut things down" just on Friday?   And it's not like they ordered everyone to stay inside, they recommended people to stay inside.

I'm not a badge defender, but c'mon, at least get your facts straight.   Especially in a thread from a story about getting facts wrong.
 
2013-04-25 09:41:40 PM
Among other revelations, police are now saying that they don't believe Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, the younger of the two brothers suspected of carrying out the attack, was armed when they opened fire on him Friday evening.

Liberal scumbags lying off their a**es about gun ownership to make a point, regardless of fact? Yep. Pieces of f****** sh*t.
 
2013-04-25 09:41:41 PM
To paraphrase Will Munny, "Well, if he was gonna detonate a bomb that killed an eight year old boy and two women, and maimed scores of innocent bystanders, he shoulda armed himself."

/but Little Dzokhar was gonna build a house!
 
2013-04-25 09:42:04 PM
Thisbymaster:  All those bullets shot and they didn't even kill him?

He tried to commit suicide with one of the bullets.
 
2013-04-25 09:42:35 PM

jaytkay: They had one gun?

Odds are the transit cop who was badly wounded in Watertown took some friendly fire.



I was pondering this also.

Would they dare admit it?


Something that this AND the Dorner incident have in common is TARGETED COPS... the murder of the university cop was a GAME CHANGER for LEO's.

And if these incidents have taught us anything, it is that when the pressure is on, cops can be counted on to shiat their britches and SHOOT WILDLY @ anything and EVERYTHING.


/Duck and cover
 
2013-04-25 09:42:48 PM

Bonanza Jellybean: o5iiawah: echomike23: so they didn't have a m4 carbine?

I heard it was a Glock AK-47 with detachable high-capacity 30 bullet clip mags.  Collapsible stocks and barrel shrouds included...

Actually they had multiple 900-round ammo belts, and the bullets were injected with depleted uraniaum and then sprayed with teflon so they would penetrate SWAT vests. And they soaked them in rat poison so they wounds wouldn't coagulate.

/and their unexploded bombs were filled with ebola virus


buffetoblog.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-04-25 09:42:48 PM
Am I just really high or did they suggest that pot had something to do with the bombing?

Because no.
 
2013-04-25 09:42:51 PM

Amos Quito: jaytkay: ZOMG all the exact details were not known immediately in a chaotic situation!!!

UNPOSSIBLE!!!!


When in doubt, make shiat up.

Chances are that MOST people will remember the made up shiat, and pay little mind to the pesky "details" as they trickle out anyway.


Kind of related, wonder how many people remember Richard Jewell as the Olympics bomber.
 
2013-04-25 09:43:41 PM
After capturing the younger brother, my opinion of law enforcement improved a bit.  And now...this.  Cops are generally lying sacks of shiat who are marginally better than the scum they're after, but they are still generally lying sacks of shiat.

Never trust cops to tell the truth.  Ever.
 
2013-04-25 09:45:14 PM
I live in Watertown and tow for the state and local police, I towed one of the smashed and shot-up police cruisers from the scene of the shootout. It's incredible how much of the story the media got wrong. They also never mentioned the name of the boat. I know it because I have friends who know the owner personally, and we looked up the boat name in the Watertown Yacht Club directory. BTW, it's "Slip Away II". Is that freaky or what ??
 
2013-04-25 09:46:06 PM
Shoot first, axe questions later.

When in doubt, keep firing.
 
2013-04-25 09:46:27 PM
BREAKING
NY POST REPORTS THEY HAD sqrt(-1) GUNS, THEORIZE THEY WERE RADICALS, NOT € REALS, MEMBERS OF IMAGINARY SEcT

iGuns to be confiscated, bricked


/nothing can be derived
 
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