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(CNN)   You can tell Apple's in a death spiral, because it took a full 90 seconds to sell all 5000 tickets to their World Wide Developers Conference   (tech.fortune.cnn.com) divider line 105
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2013-04-25 09:02:48 PM
From the comments:

I've never understood the whole fanboi thing where anonymous people are online and flock to defend a massive corporation they don't work for, probably have not invested in and likely spend a few hundred dollars a year to buy one or two of their products like it's part of the True Cross. And fight to the death they will, from hell's heart they stab at thee
 
2013-04-25 09:03:04 PM
Was it overpriced relative to other development conferences? That's probably why. It's trendy to pay double for the same stuff.
 
2013-04-25 09:09:59 PM
Well, it could be the last one after all....
 
2013-04-25 09:17:36 PM

Altair: From the comments:

I've never understood the whole fanboi thing where anonymous people are online and flock to defend a massive corporation they don't work for, probably have not invested in and likely spend a few hundred dollars a year to buy one or two of their products like it's part of the True Cross. And fight to the death they will, from hell's heart they stab at thee


The only thing weirder is the people who blindly hate Apple fans.

The paid shills who spread anti-Apple propaganda at least have a purpose to their yammering.
 
2013-04-25 09:23:41 PM
Yep, sounds like it's totally going under. *rolls eyes*

Fanboys of anything usually suck. But there are some people whom if you say you like something Apple-related it's like you just insulted their mother or something.

/my multi-billion-dollar corporation is better than your multi-billion-dollar corporation!
 
2013-04-25 09:23:46 PM
Does it really matter? WWDC is mostly attended by tech reporters, and I'm sure they'll get tickets one way or another.
 
2013-04-25 09:25:39 PM

Altair: From the comments:

I've never understood the whole fanboi thing where anonymous people are online and flock to defend a massive corporation they don't work for, probably have not invested in and likely spend a few hundred dollars a year to buy one or two of their products like it's part of the True Cross. And fight to the death they will, from hell's heart they stab at thee


a few hundred? Amateur.
 
2013-04-25 09:28:01 PM

bingethinker: Altair: From the comments:

I've never understood the whole fanboi thing where anonymous people are online and flock to defend a massive corporation they don't work for, probably have not invested in and likely spend a few hundred dollars a year to buy one or two of their products like it's part of the True Cross. And fight to the death they will, from hell's heart they stab at thee

The only thing weirder is the people who blindly hate Apple fans.

The paid shills who spread anti-Apple propaganda at least have a purpose to their yammering.


Steve Jobs will not sleep with you.
 
jvl
2013-04-25 09:29:42 PM

Altair: bingethinker: Altair: From the comments:

I've never understood the whole fanboi thing where anonymous people are online and flock to defend a massive corporation they don't work for, probably have not invested in and likely spend a few hundred dollars a year to buy one or two of their products like it's part of the True Cross. And fight to the death they will, from hell's heart they stab at thee

The only thing weirder is the people who blindly hate Apple fans.

The paid shills who spread anti-Apple propaganda at least have a purpose to their yammering.

Steve Jobs will not sleep with you.


So... you're saying Larry Page makes your pants tight?
 
2013-04-25 09:30:03 PM

Altair: bingethinker: Altair: From the comments:

I've never understood the whole fanboi thing where anonymous people are online and flock to defend a massive corporation they don't work for, probably have not invested in and likely spend a few hundred dollars a year to buy one or two of their products like it's part of the True Cross. And fight to the death they will, from hell's heart they stab at thee

The only thing weirder is the people who blindly hate Apple fans.

The paid shills who spread anti-Apple propaganda at least have a purpose to their yammering.

Zombie Steve Jobs will not sleep with you.


FTFY
 
2013-04-25 09:30:38 PM

MayContainHorseGluten: Yep, sounds like it's totally going under. *rolls eyes*

Fanboys of anything usually suck. But there are some people whom if you say you like something Apple-related it's like you just insulted their mother or something.

/my multi-billion-dollar corporation is better than your multi-billion-dollar corporation!


I am always amused by the people who trash one company as "evil" then exhibit blind loyalty to another.

"Apple is an evil walled garden!  I use Google for everything!"

/typing this on a MacBook
//in Chrome
 
2013-04-25 09:31:59 PM
Like shooting fish in a barrel of apples.
 
2013-04-25 09:32:14 PM
This means jack-all.  A local dot.net conference with about 2000 tickets sells out in less than five minutes every year.

//Apple is not in a death spiral, they are probably just inching towards normalcy.
 
2013-04-25 09:32:46 PM

bingethinker: Altair: From the comments:

I've never understood the whole fanboi thing where anonymous people are online and flock to defend a massive corporation they don't work for, probably have not invested in and likely spend a few hundred dollars a year to buy one or two of their products like it's part of the True Cross. And fight to the death they will, from hell's heart they stab at thee

The only thing weirder is the people who blindly hate Apple fans.

The paid shills who spread anti-Apple propaganda at least have a purpose to their yammering.


I'll go one weirder: how about the Apple fan haters who eventually got iPads or iPhones?
 
2013-04-25 09:36:25 PM

jake_lex: I am always amused by the people who trash one company as "evil" then exhibit blind loyalty to another.

"Apple is an evil walled garden! I use Google for everything!"

/typing this on a MacBook
//in Chrome


Corporations are not your friend.

I don't like the fact that Apple tries to exert a lot more control than most other tech companies over what I can do with their products... so I don't buy their products.

I happily recommend their products to my less tech savvy friends and relatives though.

/since I don't use Apple products, I can claim ignorance when they want free tech support
 
2013-04-25 09:39:14 PM

cyberspacedout: I'll go one weirder: how about the Apple fan haters who eventually got iPads or iPhones?


I can understand this. I've been tempted to get an iPad so I can iMessage with my nieces and nephews, who all have either iPods or iPads themselves. I'd prefer to get them to use something that is cross platform, but in the end, it's probably easier for me to just buy some Apple device just to be able to chat with them.
 
2013-04-25 09:39:18 PM
This is obvioulsy just a publicity stunt for the new iScalp software...
 
2013-04-25 09:40:55 PM
Of course... then my excuse for not being able to provide tech support falls by the wayside a bit.
 
2013-04-25 09:41:59 PM

jake_lex: MayContainHorseGluten: Yep, sounds like it's totally going under. *rolls eyes*

Fanboys of anything usually suck. But there are some people whom if you say you like something Apple-related it's like you just insulted their mother or something.

/my multi-billion-dollar corporation is better than your multi-billion-dollar corporation!

I am always amused by the people who trash one company as "evil" then exhibit blind loyalty to another.


Apple sucks, Microsoft sucks, IBM sucks, RedHat sucks, HTC sucks.  In fact if your average farker owned a company it'd probably suck and the owner would agree with you about the suckage.

Everything that doesn't involve rubbing one out on the sofa like a howler monkey in heat all day and night.... sucks.  


/They rebranded it 'work' because PR found the term 'wage slave' to be offensive.
 
2013-04-25 09:44:30 PM
People got mad feelin's 'bout shiat, 'n' shiat.
 
2013-04-25 09:44:36 PM

cyberspacedout: I'll go one weirder: how about the Apple fan haters who eventually got iPads or iPhones?


That is explainable for many reasons:

1.  Work
2.  Spouse
3.  Kids

I have an iPad and an iPhone.  The iPad is great as web browser to use in bed, or at least it was until the last OS upgrade made it constantly force close in Safari.  None of the Android tablets compare for web browsing IMHO.  That being said I use a JB tablet for travelling and work, because I can drag and drop anything I need to and from it, especially video files, without being beholden to a piece of software I loathe.

Apple makes good products, but limits them intentionally.  I shouldn't have to sync to a program to put a new video file on my tablet.  I shouldn't have to transcode it either.

//Loathe my iPhone 4s, but it was free so...
 
2013-04-25 09:47:48 PM
Five whole thousand? for a worldwide conference?
 
2013-04-25 09:48:47 PM

miscreant: I don't like the fact that Apple tries to exert a lot more control than most other tech companies over what I can do with their products... so I don't buy their products.


This.

I work in post production so there's Apple shiat all over the place.  It runs Avid and After Effects very, very well, but I'll be farked if I'm going to own an Apple product personally (other than my 5th generation iPod which I run using Rockbox).  If I buy something, I would like to feel like I have a reasonable level of control over what it does for me.
 
2013-04-25 09:53:34 PM
I listen to a stock guru radio program when it happens to be on and I'm driving somewhere.  He's also developed a stock app.  (search Best Stocks Now)  The other day he mentioned that the downloads of his app are about 10-1 Apple to Android and he's not even bothering to develop it for BBRY or MSFT.  That leads me to jump to two conclusions:  That people with money to invest buy iPhones and if I was a developer I would be developing apps for the iPhone
 
2013-04-25 09:54:52 PM
So have they yet come up with a smartphone that can do anything useful that the combined power of a bottom-of-the-line laptop (and a shiatty flip phone) can't do twice as well for half the price?

No?

OK, I'll stick with the laptop then.

/farking worthless, shiny toys for gullible consumer whores
 
2013-04-25 09:55:46 PM

mjbok: This means jack-all.  A local dot.net conference with about 2000 tickets sells out in less than five minutes every year.

//Apple is not in a death spiral, they are probably just inching towards normalcy.


Normalcy?!

Quick! Dump the stock!!
 
2013-04-25 09:56:45 PM
hydramist.tv

unimpressed.
 
2013-04-25 09:57:48 PM

relaxitsjustme: I listen to a stock guru radio program when it happens to be on and I'm driving somewhere.  He's also developed a stock app.  (search Best Stocks Now)  The other day he mentioned that the downloads of his app are about 10-1 Apple to Android and he's not even bothering to develop it for BBRY or MSFT.  That leads me to jump to two conclusions:  That people with money to invest buy iPhones and if I was a developer I would be developing apps for the iPhone


Because markets never fluctuate.
 
2013-04-25 10:01:50 PM

relaxitsjustme: I listen to a stock guru radio program when it happens to be on and I'm driving somewhere.  He's also developed a stock app.  (search Best Stocks Now)  The other day he mentioned that the downloads of his app are about 10-1 Apple to Android and he's not even bothering to develop it for BBRY or MSFT.  That leads me to jump to two conclusions:  That people with money to invest buy iPhones and if I was a developer I would be developing apps for the iPhone


Hmmm... that is odd.  I think Android's market share is bigger than iPhone in the US these days.  Perhaps there's something about the iPhone user that's more interested in "stock tips" than an Android user.  Also, for some reason, I get the (unsupported by any data) feeling that Android users are generally younger than iPhone users.
 
2013-04-25 10:07:13 PM

bingethinker: Altair: From the comments:

I've never understood the whole fanboi thing where anonymous people are online and flock to defend a massive corporation they don't work for, probably have not invested in and likely spend a few hundred dollars a year to buy one or two of their products like it's part of the True Cross. And fight to the death they will, from hell's heart they stab at thee

The only thing weirder is the people who blindly hate Apple fans.

The paid shills who spread anti-Apple propaganda at least have a purpose to their yammering.


I love to sit back and watch Apple fanbois and (Samsung)Fandroids fight it out.
/While holding my WP
 
2013-04-25 10:10:20 PM

drjekel_mrhyde: bingethinker: Altair: From the comments:

I've never understood the whole fanboi thing where anonymous people are online and flock to defend a massive corporation they don't work for, probably have not invested in and likely spend a few hundred dollars a year to buy one or two of their products like it's part of the True Cross. And fight to the death they will, from hell's heart they stab at thee

The only thing weirder is the people who blindly hate Apple fans.

The paid shills who spread anti-Apple propaganda at least have a purpose to their yammering.

I love to sit back and watch Apple fanbois and (Samsung)Fandroids fight it out.
/While holding my WP


*Looks at 3 year old Blackberry that still makes calls just fine*

....wut?
 
2013-04-25 10:11:06 PM
bingethinker:
The only thing weirder is the people who blindly hate Apple fans.

No, rest assured people who blindly defend Apple are just as weird as people who blindly hate them.

I don't think you know this, but you're farking weird.  You're the only person to show up in literally every single Apple thread to defend them, no matter what the context is.  You're a farking weirdo.
 
2013-04-25 10:14:30 PM
If you asked most people they would state that Windows tablets are an absolute disaster and failure, correct?

If you asked the same people about Macs would they say the same thing?  Probably not.

Here's the interesting thing, for Q1 (based on web metrics) OSx variants accounted for 7.13% of web traffic.  In the same time period Microsoft tablets comprised 7.5% of tablet sales.  So the level of disaster and failure can somehow be the same.
 
2013-04-25 10:18:25 PM
I dislike (hate is a strong word) Apple at it's core. I have never been a fan of "iAnything", yet even to me this whole "Apple is done!1!!!1!" Thing is exceptionally retarded.

There are plenty of people who will still buy the product, even if typing on the iPhone 6 leaves their fingers with the faint smell of rotting vagina.

Don't get your Andoroos in a bunch yet boys.
 
2013-04-25 10:22:56 PM
Who's been saying "death spiral"? I'm guessing the voices in subby's head.
 
2013-04-25 10:24:12 PM
For some reason I get the feeling this is one of those "Show up or get buttraped by red tape when you want to develop for the next iPhone/Pad" kind of conferences?  Apple is run by control freaks.  They make great tech, but they're still control freaks.
 
2013-04-25 10:25:04 PM
Well people are dipshiats I guess!
 
2013-04-25 10:42:12 PM
I went in 2009. Mostly for XSAN and server stuff for an AV and design shop. It was a good conference.

/haters gonna hate
 
2013-04-25 10:42:46 PM

Mercutio74: relaxitsjustme: I listen to a stock guru radio program when it happens to be on and I'm driving somewhere.  He's also developed a stock app.  (search Best Stocks Now)  The other day he mentioned that the downloads of his app are about 10-1 Apple to Android and he's not even bothering to develop it for BBRY or MSFT.  That leads me to jump to two conclusions:  That people with money to invest buy iPhones and if I was a developer I would be developing apps for the iPhone

Hmmm... that is odd.  I think Android's market share is bigger than iPhone in the US these days.  Perhaps there's something about the iPhone user that's more interested in "stock tips" than an Android user.  Also, for some reason, I get the (unsupported by any data) feeling that Android users are generally younger than iPhone users.


Maybe his Android version sucks ass.
 
2013-04-25 10:49:15 PM
Good ole Apple... 25 years on it's deathbed and still going.
 
2013-04-25 10:49:25 PM
Subby is an Apple fanboi with a victim complex. Hilarious!
 
2013-04-25 10:56:49 PM
imgs.xkcd.com
 
2013-04-25 10:59:24 PM
That's 5000 developers hoping like hell Apple has a next generation to develop into because, lets be frank, everything out there today is just highly refined iPhones and laptops.
 
2013-04-25 11:03:39 PM

Altair: Steve Jobs will not sleep with you.


Last I heard he's not in a position to say no.

/giggity
 
2013-04-25 11:09:55 PM

Mercutio74: relaxitsjustme: I listen to a stock guru radio program when it happens to be on and I'm driving somewhere.  He's also developed a stock app.  (search Best Stocks Now)  The other day he mentioned that the downloads of his app are about 10-1 Apple to Android and he's not even bothering to develop it for BBRY or MSFT.  That leads me to jump to two conclusions:  That people with money to invest buy iPhones and if I was a developer I would be developing apps for the iPhone

Hmmm... that is odd.  I think Android's market share is bigger than iPhone in the US these days.  Perhaps there's something about the iPhone user that's more interested in "stock tips" than an Android user.  Also, for some reason, I get the (unsupported by any data) feeling that Android users are generally younger than iPhone users.


More Android smart phones are sold. However, many of them are not even a modern version of the OS (they run Gingerbread or earlier), they are nearly without profit, and going by web traffic numbers, they are barely used for actual web browsing.  Basically, they're moving units, but at no profit and no one seems to actually like using them.

Now, I leave it open that there is room for more - Windows Phone 8 is not terrible (and honestly, if I wasn't so attached to iOS, I'd be owning a Lumia 920 right now), Firefox and Ubuntu are both releasing phone OSes this year.  Basically, Phone OSes are still a big growth area, and there's room for more participants as well as more growth for the bigger ones.

I'm waiting to see how this goes. Overall I'm happier to be an Apple investor right now then a Google. Apple has more hardware that is more interesting in the pipeline, they get to control the OS, and unlike MS or Google, you don't have the "Real" versions butting into my tailored ones. Google Glass is their coolest idea, but I'm not convinced people are ready for 800 dollar Dragonball Z scanners. I suspect Apple is developing, long-term, a "phone extension" in the form of a Watch which will share and relay information to your phone so you don't have to pull it out all the time. I think that will be more socially accepted.
 
2013-04-25 11:12:02 PM

Summoner101: Altair: Steve Jobs will not sleep with you.

Last I heard he's not in a position to say no.

/giggity


RIP Stephanie

i.imgur.com
 
2013-04-25 11:14:06 PM
I'm using Google Chrome on a Macbook Air running Windows 7...
 
2013-04-25 11:26:12 PM

Altair: *Looks at 3 year old Blackberry that still makes calls just fine*

....wut?


I finally shiatcanned my work Blackberry because we got rid of our BES's (if the President of the company has a BB on the BES - then YOU have a BB on the BES) and got an iPhone 5.  The very, very great things about it, including a functional browser and all of the apps, are a little overshadowed by things I took for granted on my old blackberry.  I really miss the physical keyboard, but only because the iPhone 5 is too small for me to type on correctly (one of the Samhungs would have been better).  But little things, like being able to select multiple messages and delete them, or choosing a day and bulk deleting messages from that day, were apparently really important to me.  I could use my blackberry all day for email if I had to, but now if I want to do "cleanup" I find myself hitting a desktop client because the interface is just too damn slow on the iPhone.  And Apple should give you an option of turning off the stupid "delete animation" - I don't need to waste two seconds per message to watch it file into a trash can.

That said, I'll learn how to tweak it since I've only had it for a week.  It's still a far better experience than my old BB, but that physical keyboard sure was farking handy.  The one thing you can do with buttons that you can't do on a touch screen is key sequences by memory, and I did that a lot.

I'll give Blackberry some due - their devices were very efficient for business if you only used your phone for email and, uh, phone.  They failed on every other level.  I had a Bold 9650, and by the time I retired it it would take a full two minutes to load the Washington Post mobile page, which was still considered "Blackberry friendly."  It wouldn't load most other pages at all.

Still, I might go Android for the next refresh.  I like Apple, I have an iPod and a Macbook Pro retina, but this iPhone is just a little too small.  I'm old, I have shiatty eyesight, and the portrait keyboard was clearly made for a 14 year old ballerina's fingers.  My thumbs are like cluster bombs trying to find the right key, and typing with one index finger is an exercise in madness.  I'm trying out apps to improve the keyboard, but that will take a while.

Another small complaint - the default alarm clock takes the volume setting of the entire phone, so if you turn your ringer volume down the alarm becomes inaudible.  I know you can buy apps that will get around that, but why there isn't a separate volume control for the alarm clock, something BB managed to add six years ago, is beyond me.
 
2013-04-25 11:29:07 PM
^ I like to use my cheap $200 Kindle HD for app needs.

/was born in the 80s
//i still use a cell phone as a phone
///Go Human Beings
 
2013-04-25 11:30:22 PM
you can have 5000 fanbois of  something and still be in a death spiral.

not saying they are, or even that I care if they are, just sayin is all
 
2013-04-25 11:31:34 PM

saintstryfe: Mercutio74: relaxitsjustme: 

I'm waiting to see how this goes. Overall I'm happier to be an Apple investor right now then a Google. Apple has more hardware that is more interesting in the pipeline




See, this is what bugs me the most about Apple fanboys (and I'm typing this on an iPad)....HOW DO YOU KNOW WHAT'S IN THE MAGICAL PIPELINE!!?? Apple fans seem to have this amazing pre-conceived notion of what's coming in the next 6 months to a year from Apple to justify their purchases for some reason. How do you know what's in the pipeline from all the other companies to compare it to? So, pray tell, what is this magical hardware you are talking about?

It's like when someone found out that Apple isn't pumping out true HD video through their HD cable (instead it's a compressed to hell AirPlay signal). If that was Microsoft, you'd be all over them. The only response I've seen from Apple fanboys on this is that "they know Apple will fix it in software in the near future."

The whole maps fiasco is similar: "oh, google has an eight year headstart, wait another year or so for Apple maps to catch up." Has any Apple fanboy used that excuse to buy a Surface yet?
 
2013-04-25 11:39:00 PM

saintstryfe: I suspect Apple is developing, long-term, a "phone extension" in the form of a Watch which will share and relay information to your phone so you don't have to pull it out all the time. I think that will be more socially accepted.


The ever-rumored iWatch.  It would be interesting, but I'm wondering how they'd approach it.  Would it be primarily a method to relay information FROM the phone, which means the screen size would be difficult to work with, or would it be a method to get information TO the phone, like pictures and other things?  Or a combination of both?

Now that I'm in my 40's, if Apple expects me to read email on a watch sized screen, that watch better be the size of Nebraska.  But if they integrate something like Siri into it so I can call people without having to pull out my phone - now THAT would be useful.  I could make calls Maxwell Smart or Inspector Gadget style.
 
2013-04-25 11:43:48 PM
www.movieviral.com
I wish I could go. I hear they'll be unveiling some new robots for the Army.
 
2013-04-25 11:45:14 PM
I never get blind fanboys.  My laptop and desktop are PC's, my tablet is an ipad and i have an iphone.  I love all four of them.  I had an evo4 before my iphone, loved it too but decided to try out the iphone.  What is the fascination with the whole "my personal choice is better than your personal choice?"  I don't get it.  Never understood it with the Playstation and Xbox crowds either.  Good for you, you found a system you like, I like my Playstation, you are better than me why?
 
2013-04-25 11:48:34 PM

Mercutio74: relaxitsjustme: I listen to a stock guru radio program when it happens to be on and I'm driving somewhere.  He's also developed a stock app.  (search Best Stocks Now)  The other day he mentioned that the downloads of his app are about 10-1 Apple to Android and he's not even bothering to develop it for BBRY or MSFT.  That leads me to jump to two conclusions:  That people with money to invest buy iPhones and if I was a developer I would be developing apps for the iPhone

Hmmm... that is odd.  I think Android's market share is bigger than iPhone in the US these days.  Perhaps there's something about the iPhone user that's more interested in "stock tips" than an Android user.  Also, for some reason, I get the (unsupported by any data) feeling that Android users are generally younger than iPhone users.


My company has mobile apps for our product, and in spite of the apps being nearly identical in feature parity (up until very recently), iOS downloads were 7x-8x Android downloads.  This is in spite of Android's commanding market share lead.

My take on it is that iOS users buy their devices specifically to use apps and consume data, and Android users skew more towards using their device as a phone, or they went to upgrade their phone and the store handed them a free Android device as "here's what you should get".

Just my 2c, but nearly everyone I've talked to in the tech industry is having a similar experience.
 
2013-04-25 11:53:26 PM

dookdookdook: So have they yet come up with a smartphone that can do anything useful that the combined power of a bottom-of-the-line laptop (and a shiatty flip phone) can't do twice as well for half the price?


Fit in your pants pocket? :)
 
2013-04-26 12:05:09 AM

wildcardjack: That's 5000 developers hoping like hell Apple has a next generation to develop into because, lets be frank, everything out there today is just highly refined iPhones and laptops.


Yeah - I don't know what the media rumors are but that fast a sellout signals a significant rumor in the development community.
 
2013-04-26 12:06:48 AM

DrVoice: Mercutio74: relaxitsjustme: I listen to a stock guru radio program when it happens to be on and I'm driving somewhere.  He's also developed a stock app.  (search Best Stocks Now)  The other day he mentioned that the downloads of his app are about 10-1 Apple to Android and he's not even bothering to develop it for BBRY or MSFT.  That leads me to jump to two conclusions:  That people with money to invest buy iPhones and if I was a developer I would be developing apps for the iPhone

Hmmm... that is odd.  I think Android's market share is bigger than iPhone in the US these days.  Perhaps there's something about the iPhone user that's more interested in "stock tips" than an Android user.  Also, for some reason, I get the (unsupported by any data) feeling that Android users are generally younger than iPhone users.

My company has mobile apps for our product, and in spite of the apps being nearly identical in feature parity (up until very recently), iOS downloads were 7x-8x Android downloads.  This is in spite of Android's commanding market share lead.

My take on it is that iOS users buy their devices specifically to use apps and consume data, and Android users skew more towards using their device as a phone, or they went to upgrade their phone and the store handed them a free Android device as "here's what you should get".

Just my 2c, but nearly everyone I've talked to in the tech industry is having a similar experience.


I would agree with this, my iphone is mainly used for different apps and messaging and not as a phone, in fact i hate talking on it, but that's not contained to the iphone, i hate talking on any phone.
 
2013-04-26 12:16:14 AM

DrVoice: My take on it is that iOS users buy their devices specifically to use apps and consume data, and Android users skew more towards using their device as a phone, or they went to upgrade their phone and the store handed them a free Android device as "here's what you should get".

Just my 2c, but nearly everyone I've talked to in the tech industry is having a similar experience.


Android devices are cheap, or even free, with a two year contract.  To get a free iPhone on contract you have to use an "old" one.  It's easier to switch people to a smartphone that's close to free up front.

Once they are on the Android platform, it's easier to get them to stick with Android.  It's even easier if that new phone is cheaper than an iPhone and has a much larger screen, which people seem to like.  I tried to get my wife to go to an iPhone last year after her Blackberry died, and she looked at an iPhone 4s and a Samsung Galaxy S III (I think), and the minute she saw the Galaxy she said "pretty!" and the sale was done.  Galaxy won for screen size.  She only uses the phone as a phone, for facebook, and to read TMZ.  Screen size was important to her.

I think Apple is going to branch out into a larger phone in the near future, because it's starting to eat into their sales.  When smaller tablets posed a threat, they released the iPad Mini.  Now that larger phone screens are becoming a selling point, they'll likely release the iPhone "for fat fingered people" or something like that.
 
2013-04-26 12:28:52 AM

Ape_Stone: I never get blind fanboys.  My laptop and desktop are PC's, my tablet is an ipad and i have an iphone.  I love all four of them.  I had an evo4 before my iphone, loved it too but decided to try out the iphone.  What is the fascination with the whole "my personal choice is better than your personal choice?"  I don't get it.  Never understood it with the Playstation and Xbox crowds either.  Good for you, you found a system you like, I like my Playstation, you are better than me why?


Depends on the individual. I, for instance, am better than you because I'm taller, better looking, and have nicer breath.
But i agree with you about the gadget fanbois.
 
2013-04-26 12:31:19 AM

jso2897: Ape_Stone: I never get blind fanboys.  My laptop and desktop are PC's, my tablet is an ipad and i have an iphone.  I love all four of them.  I had an evo4 before my iphone, loved it too but decided to try out the iphone.  What is the fascination with the whole "my personal choice is better than your personal choice?"  I don't get it.  Never understood it with the Playstation and Xbox crowds either.  Good for you, you found a system you like, I like my Playstation, you are better than me why?

Depends on the individual. I, for instance, am better than you because I'm taller, better looking, and have nicer breath.
But i agree with you about the gadget fanbois.


But I brushed my teeth just last week.
 
2013-04-26 12:38:13 AM

Altair: *Looks at 3 year old Blackberry that still makes calls just fine*

....wut?


"What's a Blackberry," asks your future grandkids.
 
2013-04-26 12:47:02 AM

Keyser_Soze_Death: Well, it could be the last one after all....


Hah! Well played. :D

/beleaguered
 
2013-04-26 12:53:51 AM

sendtodave: Altair: *Looks at 3 year old Blackberry that still makes calls just fine*

....wut?

"What's a Blackberry," asks your future grandkids.


Yep.
 
2013-04-26 12:57:46 AM

Altair: I've never understood the whole fanboi thing where anonymous people are online and flock to defend a massive corporation they don't work for, probably have not invested in and likely spend a few hundred dollars a year to buy one or two of their products like it's part of the True Cross. And fight to the death they will, from hell's heart they stab at thee


This should help explain it for him.
 
2013-04-26 01:00:23 AM
Yeah, yeah, yeah, Apple's in trouble, Microsoft's in trouble, all of the huge tech companies that bring in millions and billions of dollars are all going to tank because some number cruncher on Wall St. who ran some funky analysis said so and the stock dips. Meanwhile, still tons of money in the bank and more rolling in everyday. Oh, but they didn't bring in as much as projected / expected last quarter, so oh noes.
 
2013-04-26 01:05:11 AM

Mercutio74: relaxitsjustme: I listen to a stock guru radio program when it happens to be on and I'm driving somewhere.  He's also developed a stock app.  (search Best Stocks Now)  The other day he mentioned that the downloads of his app are about 10-1 Apple to Android and he's not even bothering to develop it for BBRY or MSFT.  That leads me to jump to two conclusions:  That people with money to invest buy iPhones and if I was a developer I would be developing apps for the iPhone

Hmmm... that is odd.  I think Android's market share is bigger than iPhone in the US these days.  Perhaps there's something about the iPhone user that's more interested in "stock tips" than an Android user.  Also, for some reason, I get the (unsupported by any data) feeling that Android users are generally younger than iPhone users.


That last point ahs a lot to say about who is investing in whom.
 
2013-04-26 01:28:47 AM

Lsherm: I think Apple is going to branch out into a larger phone in the near future, because it's starting to eat into their sales.


They'll do it when they can make one that has the battery life they want, feels right in your hand and it will share screen ratio with one of their other devices. They don't just do things because they're losing sales, or they'd have made a computer that runs Windows twenty years ago.

The world slowly came around to Apple, and it will turn away again someday, as it has in the past. Apple will be mostly the same then as they were in 1986. Those of us that have been using and developing for Apple products for decades have seen this all before. They don't care about market share, they care about their principles.
 
2013-04-26 01:41:54 AM

Lsherm: But little things, like being able to select multiple messages and delete them


Edit -> select messages -> delete?
 
2013-04-26 01:45:24 AM

wildcardjack: That's 5000 developers hoping like hell Apple has a next generation to develop into because, lets be frank, everything out there today is just highly refined iPhones and laptops.


You don't have to reinvent the wheel ever two to three years.  The mouse/GUI paradigm worked great for 25 years.  It still does.

It'll be awhile until something else comes along.  The Google Newton Segway Glass won't be it.  Interesting idea, but the time isn't right.  Sort of like how Microsoft has been unsuccessfully pushing tablets integrated with desktop Windows for over ten years.  With almost no success.

What's coming will be more refined mobile devices with better integration.  Your phone will work seamlessly with computers, your car, your home, and much else.  Apple's already on this.  I love being able to control my audio, photos and video using an iPad as a big remote control.

The other advantage is that Apple has a huge userbase today.  Most of us are happy with the products.  Sure, a Samsung might have feature X that I like, but is it really worth changing for it?  I poked around computers a lot when I was a kid.  At 40, I don't really care.  If Apple does something a certain way, I'm happy as long as it doesn't fark up and behaves in a way I expect.  Sure, I could spend hundreds of hours hacking Android to get things just so.  But then there will be a software or hardware update and I'll have to do it all over again.  Not worth it.  I'll buy something I don't have to worry about and use my free time to take  a nap or play with the cat.  You know, the important things in life.
 
2013-04-26 02:03:16 AM

cameroncrazy1984: Five whole thousand? for a worldwide conference?


That's what I was going to say. Isn't Apple supposed to be one of the biggest (or most profitable, or something) companies in the world? Cisco Live typically has between 10,000 and 15,000 attendees, and I'm pretty sure there are four of those, every year. (Not that I think Cisco is anything special - just a little perspective.) Makes me wonder if Apple only sold 5000 tickets by design, so they could talk about how quickly it sold out.
 
2013-04-26 02:29:14 AM

bingethinker: The only thing weirder is the people who blindly hate Apple fans.


I don't "blindly" hate Apple fans. If that's their thing, hey man, go for it. What I do get annoyed by are people who vocally deride my i7/8gb/dedicated card/128GB SSD + 750GB HDD where an optical drive would be is somehow inferior because I didn't pay $2300 for the same or worse equipment (admittedly I pulled that price from my ass, but it's within range for a similar MBP). The implication is that I'm either too poor or not cool enough to own a Mac. That's before I even mention that I simply don't prefer the OS and the walled garden.

I don't run around making fun of Apple folks...unless they start it. And Christ they always seem to. In real life. Fark what anyone on the internet says. Speaking of Christ, I don't meddle in their affairs either until being told I'm stupid for not being in their group (or cult, whichever you prefer). There's a reason the words "cult" and "religion" and "worship" are used frequently by PC users who can't fathom a culture that produces random assholes in a coffee shop asking why I can't afford a "quality computer."

Actually, I don't take a laptop to coffee huts anymore, but back in the day that's what we all did when we wanted everyone else to see that we were working on our novels.

encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com

I purchased my computer (would have built it if a desktop) because it goes beyond what I actually need, being future-proof for a while. That's why I choose the oh-so-unfashionable PC. I make an OK living, but if I can save a large sum of money and - more importantly - be the master of my own OS and software, I'm doing it.

Ditto with phones. You folks have shiny and well constructed hardware (very well-constructed, I emphasize), but in the end you're paying a premium to be told what to do by a faceless corporation. Call me a troll, but 'dems the facts.
 
2013-04-26 02:31:26 AM
"You" doesn't necessarily mean "you."
 
2013-04-26 02:34:15 AM
Even without clicking the link, or verifying independiently, I feel safe in agreeing that this is clearly the best thing Apple has ever done, evarxzz.
 
2013-04-26 02:43:29 AM

Lsherm: That said, I'll learn how to tweak it since I've only had it for a week.


This assumes you can tweak it.  Most of the posts before this one have said "omg control freak", so I say to you, "good luck sir".
 
2013-04-26 02:47:49 AM

L.D. Ablo: Sure, I could spend hundreds of hours hacking Android to get things just so.


You know how I know you're a fanboy?
 
2013-04-26 02:51:56 AM
DrVoice:

My company has mobile apps for our product, and in spite of the apps being nearly identical in feature parity (up until very recently), iOS downloads were 7x-8x Android downloads.  This is in spite of Android's commanding market share lead.

My take on it is that iOS users buy their devices specifically to use apps and consume data, and Android users skew more towards using their device as a phone, or they went to upgrade their phone and the store handed them a free Android device as "here's what you should get".

Just my 2c, but nearly everyone I've talked to in the tech industry is having a similar experience.


My experience is that most Android users don't throw away money by buying apps they'll use once, or don't want to spend money they don't have to.  You see the f2p games and Angry Bird type games are insanely popular, rivalling or beating the equivalent in number of installs.
 
2013-04-26 02:59:06 AM
Subby, I worked in the business college of the University here, and all of the professors teaching in classes for degrees with '-MBA' on the end agreed that Apple is going thru some serious shiat.

Just because lemmings bought some tickets to their conference doesn't change that, it just means that people are hoping that someone at Apple has a new idea, because they don't do well at all unless they are introducing something nw. their flagship shiat gets stale after awhile, and the only way they can stay relevant is to finally break down and admit that their competitors 'might' just have some decent ideas after all. by that time, t's too late, and the damage has been done.
 
2013-04-26 03:24:01 AM

MrEricSir: Does it really matter? WWDC is mostly attended by tech reporters, and I'm sure they'll get tickets one way or another.


Do you know how I know you've never been to one
 
2013-04-26 03:24:05 AM

mjbok: cyberspacedout: I'll go one weirder: how about the Apple fan haters who eventually got iPads or iPhones?

That is explainable for many reasons:

1.  Work
2.  Spouse
3.  Kids

I have an iPad and an iPhone.  The iPad is great as web browser to use in bed, or at least it was until the last OS upgrade made it constantly force close in Safari.  None of the Android tablets compare for web browsing IMHO.  That being said I use a JB tablet for travelling and work, because I can drag and drop anything I need to and from it, especially video files, without being beholden to a piece of software I loathe.

Apple makes good products, but limits them intentionally.  I shouldn't have to sync to a program to put a new video file on my tablet.  I shouldn't have to transcode it either.

//Loathe my iPhone 4s, but it was free so...


If you're actually being serious, there are literally thousands of ways to sync without using iTunes. Also you might want to try hard rebooting your iPad.
 
2013-04-26 03:27:06 AM
Maybe they have just decided to take down a lot of other people in their death spiral.....
 
2013-04-26 04:12:01 AM

jjorsett: Who's been saying "death spiral"? I'm guessing the voices in subby's head.


http://www.fark.com/comments/7714378/Its-beginning-of-end-for-Apple
 
2013-04-26 04:19:02 AM

relaxitsjustme: I listen to a stock guru radio program when it happens to be on and I'm driving somewhere.  He's also developed a stock app.  (search Best Stocks Now)  The other day he mentioned that the downloads of his app are about 10-1 Apple to Android and he's not even bothering to develop it for BBRY or MSFT.  That leads me to jump to two conclusions:  That people with money to invest buy iPhones and if I was a developer I would be developing apps for the iPhone


As a developer, I can assure you that all his anecdote means that that he has a particular type of audience that has iPhones, or his downloads are so low everywhere as to not be statistically significant, or some other unusual event (maybe he was briefly featured on one platform and not the other?).

Buying patterns are different, but the whole "iPhone users buy apps! Android users steal!" is just nonsense.
 
2013-04-26 04:54:06 AM

Mercutio74: Hmmm... that is odd.  I think Android's market share is bigger than iPhone in the US these days.  Perhaps there's something about the iPhone user that's more interested in "stock tips" than an Android user.  Also, for some reason, I get the (unsupported by any data) feeling that Android users are generally younger than iPhone users.


If the situation is similar there to it is here then Android might have the majority share but the people using it generally don't buy apps (I'm not saying they pirate them just they don't spend money on it) or only use free ones.  So whilst there's more of them you're going to get better returns servicing the iOS market instead even though it technically is smaller.

Age could be a factor as could the general availability of cheap Android handsets on PayG vs the iOS devices which usually carry some form of premium (base price, usually contract only, etc.) but who knows?
 
2013-04-26 05:37:53 AM
Meaningless.

Chances are that a lot of those spaces are just journalists wanting to get a story with a hands-on on the new iPad.

As a developer, I rarely do conferences. Most developers I know don't do any sort of meatspace training, when you can pay $29/month and get online training from Pluralsight and Stack Overflow for free.
 
2013-04-26 05:48:48 AM

Malacon: mjbok: This means jack-all.  A local dot.net conference with about 2000 tickets sells out in less than five minutes every year.

//Apple is not in a death spiral, they are probably just inching towards normalcy.

Normalcy?!

Quick! Dump the stock!!


Correct, because they were massively overhyped with the expectation they were going to grow forever (as almost always happens with any high profile company that gets successful for a while), so people have correctly dumped their stock towards more reasonable levels.
 
2013-04-26 06:14:56 AM
If america has taught us anything:  Everyone likes to gawk at a good train wreck in progress.
 
2013-04-26 06:47:14 AM

digistil: If you're actually being serious, there are literally thousands of ways to sync without using iTunes. Also you might want to try hard rebooting your iPad.


Rebooting the iPad has not helped.  Fark is a perfect example of the problem.  I can read Fark, but not post to it.

Other than the camera kit and drop box or some other cloud type storage (which in a non connected environment won't work) I haven't found a good non-itunes solution.  And the camera kit solution requires it to be in a given format and doesn't support resume, etc.

Since there are thousands, can you just give me some of those solutions (maybe just 500 or so).

//I should be able to just connect my ipad and drag and drop (like every other device out there).
 
2013-04-26 06:50:58 AM

DrVoice: Mercutio74: relaxitsjustme: I listen to a stock guru radio program when it happens to be on and I'm driving somewhere.  He's also developed a stock app.  (search Best Stocks Now)  The other day he mentioned that the downloads of his app are about 10-1 Apple to Android and he's not even bothering to develop it for BBRY or MSFT.  That leads me to jump to two conclusions:  That people with money to invest buy iPhones and if I was a developer I would be developing apps for the iPhone

Hmmm... that is odd.  I think Android's market share is bigger than iPhone in the US these days.  Perhaps there's something about the iPhone user that's more interested in "stock tips" than an Android user.  Also, for some reason, I get the (unsupported by any data) feeling that Android users are generally younger than iPhone users.

My company has mobile apps for our product, and in spite of the apps being nearly identical in feature parity (up until very recently), iOS downloads were 7x-8x Android downloads.  This is in spite of Android's commanding market share lead.

My take on it is that iOS users buy their devices specifically to use apps and consume data, and Android users skew more towards using their device as a phone, or they went to upgrade their phone and the store handed them a free Android device as "here's what you should get".

Just my 2c, but nearly everyone I've talked to in the tech industry is having a similar experience.


Or it's a lot easier to get iphone users to download your shiatty apps.
 
2013-04-26 06:55:31 AM

xria: Malacon: mjbok: This means jack-all.  A local dot.net conference with about 2000 tickets sells out in less than five minutes every year.

//Apple is not in a death spiral, they are probably just inching towards normalcy.

Normalcy?!

Quick! Dump the stock!!

Correct, because they were massively overhyped with the expectation they were going to grow forever (as almost always happens with any high profile company that gets successful for a while), so people have correctly dumped their stock towards more reasonable levels.


Pretty much. As stated earlier any reasonable talk like this will get a sarcastic response like the headline from the fan boys and over the top scorn from the anti-Apple crowd.

I think the problem with Apple is they based too much of their image around Steve Jobs. For some reason he pretty much had the "blind faith" of many, not just the "fan boys". A lot of the perceived value of Apple was based on confidence in Steve Jobs. Now that he is gone, despite being pretty much the exact same company, people are questioning the future vision of the company without Steve Jobs.

Apple will survive, thrive, and still innovate; but I doubt they will ever be the industry darling they were with Jobs. It's hard to find a person with Steve Job's intelligence and charisma.
 
2013-04-26 07:46:06 AM

Mercutio74: relaxitsjustme: I listen to a stock guru radio program when it happens to be on and I'm driving somewhere.  He's also developed a stock app.  (search Best Stocks Now)  The other day he mentioned that the downloads of his app are about 10-1 Apple to Android and he's not even bothering to develop it for BBRY or MSFT.  That leads me to jump to two conclusions:  That people with money to invest buy iPhones and if I was a developer I would be developing apps for the iPhone

Hmmm... that is odd.  I think Android's market share is bigger than iPhone in the US these days.  Perhaps there's something about the iPhone user that's more interested in "stock tips" than an Android user.  Also, for some reason, I get the (unsupported by any data) feeling that Android users are generally younger than iPhone users.


This has been shown in studies for a while now.  If you are writing apps the iPhone is the only platform of note with regards to potential income.   Studies haven't explained *why* and you can make up your own reasons but the fact is that apps don't sell on Android regardless of how good they are.   On iOS, users are willing to spend money and support developers for apps.   They're cheap bastards on Android for some reason.

This is unsustainable for obvious reasons so if you really like android be sure to get the paid version of apps you like or at some point down the line developers will simply skip it completely as there's no point.
 
2013-04-26 07:47:45 AM
What does the fact that apple news sells have to do with how apple performs?
 
2013-04-26 08:00:09 AM

MrEricSir: Does it really matter? WWDC is mostly attended by tech reporters, and I'm sure they'll get tickets one way or another.


Press badges are issued for the keynote. Once that is over, everyone in the conference is NDA'd about what they learn there since it gets pretty in depth. This isn't news if you, you know, pay attention to the tech world.
 
2013-04-26 08:15:32 AM

farkeruk: As a developer, I rarely do conferences.


I use to go to conferences but then I took a dongle in the fork-eek!
 
2013-04-26 08:31:30 AM

bingethinker: The only thing weirder is the people who blindly hate Apple fans.

The paid shills who spread anti-Apple propaganda at least have a purpose to their yammering.


I think the weirder people are the people who blindly jump in and hate the people who blindly hate Apple fans,
 
2013-04-26 08:39:27 AM

MrEricSir: Does it really matter? WWDC is mostly attended by tech reporters, and I'm sure they'll get tickets one way or another.


I was there last year. Those 5,000 tickets are for engineers. The media get their own access separately.

The first day is for the media's benefit. The rest of the week is hardcore nerdery.
 
2013-04-26 08:58:16 AM

Altair: From the comments:

I've never understood the whole fanboi thing where anonymous people are online and flock to defend a massive corporation they don't work for, probably have not invested in and likely spend a few hundred dollars a year to buy one or two of their products like it's part of the True Cross. And fight to the death they will, from hell's heart they stab at thee


These are people making millions of dollars from 99  cent apps, not the fanbois who buy them.
 
2013-04-26 09:07:40 AM

Vaneshi: Mercutio74: Hmmm... that is odd.  I think Android's market share is bigger than iPhone in the US these days.  Perhaps there's something about the iPhone user that's more interested in "stock tips" than an Android user.  Also, for some reason, I get the (unsupported by any data) feeling that Android users are generally younger than iPhone users.

If the situation is similar there to it is here then Android might have the majority share but the people using it generally don't buy apps (I'm not saying they pirate them just they don't spend money on it) or only use free ones.  So whilst there's more of them you're going to get better returns servicing the iOS market instead even though it technically is smaller.

Age could be a factor as could the general availability of cheap Android handsets on PayG vs the iOS devices which usually carry some form of premium (base price, usually contract only, etc.) but who knows?


Not to mention most of the adults I see with iPads leave them propped up on their desks like some kind of Palm Pilot for the new millennium.  Android is slower into the tablet market, because manufacturers had to get passed listening to customers repeatedly telling them they weren't interested in tablets.  A stock ticker is exactly the kind of app that people put on tablets they are using as glorified personal TVs.  That's really who seems to buy iPads; they mostly seem to sell to people who always wanted, but could never justify, buying a portable TV and gaming system.
 
2013-04-26 09:43:22 AM

DigitalBurnOut: Was it overpriced relative to other development conferences? That's probably why. It's trendy to pay double for the same stuff.


lol one-button mouse, amirite!
 
2013-04-26 10:30:44 AM

Third Leg: Lsherm: But little things, like being able to select multiple messages and delete them

Edit -> select messages -> delete?



I meant "shift select" - on the BB you could select one message, hold down the shift key while clicking on another message and it would select everything in between.  Useful if you got blasted with 200 server alerts all at one.

On the iPhone I'd have to tap 200 times.  Not very useful.
 
2013-04-26 12:50:50 PM
So, Apple has had no new innovation in 2.5 years and the last earnings report and stock buyback had to use an accounting trick to look good. It is obvious that Apple may continue on, but they have certainly passed their peak.
 
2013-04-26 01:19:19 PM

kwkg3ek: So, Apple has had no new innovation in 2.5 years and the last earnings report and stock buyback had to use an accounting trick to look good. It is obvious that Apple may continue on, but they have certainly passed their peak.


Yeah, Apple is not likely to die any time soon.  But their peak has been passed.
 
2013-04-26 01:33:19 PM

DrVoice: Mercutio74: relaxitsjustme: I listen to a stock guru radio program when it happens to be on and I'm driving somewhere.  He's also developed a stock app.  (search Best Stocks Now)  The other day he mentioned that the downloads of his app are about 10-1 Apple to Android and he's not even bothering to develop it for BBRY or MSFT.  That leads me to jump to two conclusions:  That people with money to invest buy iPhones and if I was a developer I would be developing apps for the iPhone

Hmmm... that is odd.  I think Android's market share is bigger than iPhone in the US these days.  Perhaps there's something about the iPhone user that's more interested in "stock tips" than an Android user.  Also, for some reason, I get the (unsupported by any data) feeling that Android users are generally younger than iPhone users.

My company has mobile apps for our product, and in spite of the apps being nearly identical in feature parity (up until very recently), iOS downloads were 7x-8x Android downloads.  This is in spite of Android's commanding market share lead.

My take on it is that iOS users buy their devices specifically to use apps and consume data, and Android users skew more towards using their device as a phone, or they went to upgrade their phone and the store handed them a free Android device as "here's what you should get".

Just my 2c, but nearly everyone I've talked to in the tech industry is having a similar experience.


Yup, nailed it.  This is a developer conference and the money for developers is on iOS first and foremost.
 
2013-04-26 02:59:43 PM

cyberspacedout: bingethinker: Altair: From the comments:

I've never understood the whole fanboi thing where anonymous people are online and flock to defend a massive corporation they don't work for, probably have not invested in and likely spend a few hundred dollars a year to buy one or two of their products like it's part of the True Cross. And fight to the death they will, from hell's heart they stab at thee

The only thing weirder is the people who blindly hate Apple fans.

The paid shills who spread anti-Apple propaganda at least have a purpose to their yammering.

I'll go one weirder: how about the Apple fan haters who eventually got iPads or iPhones?


You can use Apple products and still recognize the cult of Apple as insane.
 
2013-04-26 03:17:57 PM

MrEricSir: Does it really matter? WWDC is mostly attended by tech reporters, and I'm sure they'll get tickets one way or another.


That is what I was thinking when I read the headline. "Oh good, so Gizmodo and Boingboing got their tix lol."
 
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