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(CNN)   You can tell Apple's in a death spiral, because it took a full 90 seconds to sell all 5000 tickets to their World Wide Developers Conference   (tech.fortune.cnn.com) divider line 105
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2013-04-25 09:02:48 PM
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I've never understood the whole fanboi thing where anonymous people are online and flock to defend a massive corporation they don't work for, probably have not invested in and likely spend a few hundred dollars a year to buy one or two of their products like it's part of the True Cross. And fight to the death they will, from hell's heart they stab at thee
 
2013-04-25 09:03:04 PM
Was it overpriced relative to other development conferences? That's probably why. It's trendy to pay double for the same stuff.
 
2013-04-25 09:09:59 PM
Well, it could be the last one after all....
 
2013-04-25 09:17:36 PM

Altair: From the comments:

I've never understood the whole fanboi thing where anonymous people are online and flock to defend a massive corporation they don't work for, probably have not invested in and likely spend a few hundred dollars a year to buy one or two of their products like it's part of the True Cross. And fight to the death they will, from hell's heart they stab at thee


The only thing weirder is the people who blindly hate Apple fans.

The paid shills who spread anti-Apple propaganda at least have a purpose to their yammering.
 
2013-04-25 09:23:41 PM
Yep, sounds like it's totally going under. *rolls eyes*

Fanboys of anything usually suck. But there are some people whom if you say you like something Apple-related it's like you just insulted their mother or something.

/my multi-billion-dollar corporation is better than your multi-billion-dollar corporation!
 
2013-04-25 09:23:46 PM
Does it really matter? WWDC is mostly attended by tech reporters, and I'm sure they'll get tickets one way or another.
 
2013-04-25 09:25:39 PM

Altair: From the comments:

I've never understood the whole fanboi thing where anonymous people are online and flock to defend a massive corporation they don't work for, probably have not invested in and likely spend a few hundred dollars a year to buy one or two of their products like it's part of the True Cross. And fight to the death they will, from hell's heart they stab at thee


a few hundred? Amateur.
 
2013-04-25 09:28:01 PM

bingethinker: Altair: From the comments:

I've never understood the whole fanboi thing where anonymous people are online and flock to defend a massive corporation they don't work for, probably have not invested in and likely spend a few hundred dollars a year to buy one or two of their products like it's part of the True Cross. And fight to the death they will, from hell's heart they stab at thee

The only thing weirder is the people who blindly hate Apple fans.

The paid shills who spread anti-Apple propaganda at least have a purpose to their yammering.


Steve Jobs will not sleep with you.
 
jvl
2013-04-25 09:29:42 PM

Altair: bingethinker: Altair: From the comments:

I've never understood the whole fanboi thing where anonymous people are online and flock to defend a massive corporation they don't work for, probably have not invested in and likely spend a few hundred dollars a year to buy one or two of their products like it's part of the True Cross. And fight to the death they will, from hell's heart they stab at thee

The only thing weirder is the people who blindly hate Apple fans.

The paid shills who spread anti-Apple propaganda at least have a purpose to their yammering.

Steve Jobs will not sleep with you.


So... you're saying Larry Page makes your pants tight?
 
2013-04-25 09:30:03 PM

Altair: bingethinker: Altair: From the comments:

I've never understood the whole fanboi thing where anonymous people are online and flock to defend a massive corporation they don't work for, probably have not invested in and likely spend a few hundred dollars a year to buy one or two of their products like it's part of the True Cross. And fight to the death they will, from hell's heart they stab at thee

The only thing weirder is the people who blindly hate Apple fans.

The paid shills who spread anti-Apple propaganda at least have a purpose to their yammering.

Zombie Steve Jobs will not sleep with you.


FTFY
 
2013-04-25 09:30:38 PM

MayContainHorseGluten: Yep, sounds like it's totally going under. *rolls eyes*

Fanboys of anything usually suck. But there are some people whom if you say you like something Apple-related it's like you just insulted their mother or something.

/my multi-billion-dollar corporation is better than your multi-billion-dollar corporation!


I am always amused by the people who trash one company as "evil" then exhibit blind loyalty to another.

"Apple is an evil walled garden!  I use Google for everything!"

/typing this on a MacBook
//in Chrome
 
2013-04-25 09:31:59 PM
Like shooting fish in a barrel of apples.
 
2013-04-25 09:32:14 PM
This means jack-all.  A local dot.net conference with about 2000 tickets sells out in less than five minutes every year.

//Apple is not in a death spiral, they are probably just inching towards normalcy.
 
2013-04-25 09:32:46 PM

bingethinker: Altair: From the comments:

I've never understood the whole fanboi thing where anonymous people are online and flock to defend a massive corporation they don't work for, probably have not invested in and likely spend a few hundred dollars a year to buy one or two of their products like it's part of the True Cross. And fight to the death they will, from hell's heart they stab at thee

The only thing weirder is the people who blindly hate Apple fans.

The paid shills who spread anti-Apple propaganda at least have a purpose to their yammering.


I'll go one weirder: how about the Apple fan haters who eventually got iPads or iPhones?
 
2013-04-25 09:36:25 PM

jake_lex: I am always amused by the people who trash one company as "evil" then exhibit blind loyalty to another.

"Apple is an evil walled garden! I use Google for everything!"

/typing this on a MacBook
//in Chrome


Corporations are not your friend.

I don't like the fact that Apple tries to exert a lot more control than most other tech companies over what I can do with their products... so I don't buy their products.

I happily recommend their products to my less tech savvy friends and relatives though.

/since I don't use Apple products, I can claim ignorance when they want free tech support
 
2013-04-25 09:39:14 PM

cyberspacedout: I'll go one weirder: how about the Apple fan haters who eventually got iPads or iPhones?


I can understand this. I've been tempted to get an iPad so I can iMessage with my nieces and nephews, who all have either iPods or iPads themselves. I'd prefer to get them to use something that is cross platform, but in the end, it's probably easier for me to just buy some Apple device just to be able to chat with them.
 
2013-04-25 09:39:18 PM
This is obvioulsy just a publicity stunt for the new iScalp software...
 
2013-04-25 09:40:55 PM
Of course... then my excuse for not being able to provide tech support falls by the wayside a bit.
 
2013-04-25 09:41:59 PM

jake_lex: MayContainHorseGluten: Yep, sounds like it's totally going under. *rolls eyes*

Fanboys of anything usually suck. But there are some people whom if you say you like something Apple-related it's like you just insulted their mother or something.

/my multi-billion-dollar corporation is better than your multi-billion-dollar corporation!

I am always amused by the people who trash one company as "evil" then exhibit blind loyalty to another.


Apple sucks, Microsoft sucks, IBM sucks, RedHat sucks, HTC sucks.  In fact if your average farker owned a company it'd probably suck and the owner would agree with you about the suckage.

Everything that doesn't involve rubbing one out on the sofa like a howler monkey in heat all day and night.... sucks.  


/They rebranded it 'work' because PR found the term 'wage slave' to be offensive.
 
2013-04-25 09:44:30 PM
People got mad feelin's 'bout shiat, 'n' shiat.
 
2013-04-25 09:44:36 PM

cyberspacedout: I'll go one weirder: how about the Apple fan haters who eventually got iPads or iPhones?


That is explainable for many reasons:

1.  Work
2.  Spouse
3.  Kids

I have an iPad and an iPhone.  The iPad is great as web browser to use in bed, or at least it was until the last OS upgrade made it constantly force close in Safari.  None of the Android tablets compare for web browsing IMHO.  That being said I use a JB tablet for travelling and work, because I can drag and drop anything I need to and from it, especially video files, without being beholden to a piece of software I loathe.

Apple makes good products, but limits them intentionally.  I shouldn't have to sync to a program to put a new video file on my tablet.  I shouldn't have to transcode it either.

//Loathe my iPhone 4s, but it was free so...
 
2013-04-25 09:47:48 PM
Five whole thousand? for a worldwide conference?
 
2013-04-25 09:48:47 PM

miscreant: I don't like the fact that Apple tries to exert a lot more control than most other tech companies over what I can do with their products... so I don't buy their products.


This.

I work in post production so there's Apple shiat all over the place.  It runs Avid and After Effects very, very well, but I'll be farked if I'm going to own an Apple product personally (other than my 5th generation iPod which I run using Rockbox).  If I buy something, I would like to feel like I have a reasonable level of control over what it does for me.
 
2013-04-25 09:53:34 PM
I listen to a stock guru radio program when it happens to be on and I'm driving somewhere.  He's also developed a stock app.  (search Best Stocks Now)  The other day he mentioned that the downloads of his app are about 10-1 Apple to Android and he's not even bothering to develop it for BBRY or MSFT.  That leads me to jump to two conclusions:  That people with money to invest buy iPhones and if I was a developer I would be developing apps for the iPhone
 
2013-04-25 09:54:52 PM
So have they yet come up with a smartphone that can do anything useful that the combined power of a bottom-of-the-line laptop (and a shiatty flip phone) can't do twice as well for half the price?

No?

OK, I'll stick with the laptop then.

/farking worthless, shiny toys for gullible consumer whores
 
2013-04-25 09:55:46 PM

mjbok: This means jack-all.  A local dot.net conference with about 2000 tickets sells out in less than five minutes every year.

//Apple is not in a death spiral, they are probably just inching towards normalcy.


Normalcy?!

Quick! Dump the stock!!
 
2013-04-25 09:56:45 PM
hydramist.tv

unimpressed.
 
2013-04-25 09:57:48 PM

relaxitsjustme: I listen to a stock guru radio program when it happens to be on and I'm driving somewhere.  He's also developed a stock app.  (search Best Stocks Now)  The other day he mentioned that the downloads of his app are about 10-1 Apple to Android and he's not even bothering to develop it for BBRY or MSFT.  That leads me to jump to two conclusions:  That people with money to invest buy iPhones and if I was a developer I would be developing apps for the iPhone


Because markets never fluctuate.
 
2013-04-25 10:01:50 PM

relaxitsjustme: I listen to a stock guru radio program when it happens to be on and I'm driving somewhere.  He's also developed a stock app.  (search Best Stocks Now)  The other day he mentioned that the downloads of his app are about 10-1 Apple to Android and he's not even bothering to develop it for BBRY or MSFT.  That leads me to jump to two conclusions:  That people with money to invest buy iPhones and if I was a developer I would be developing apps for the iPhone


Hmmm... that is odd.  I think Android's market share is bigger than iPhone in the US these days.  Perhaps there's something about the iPhone user that's more interested in "stock tips" than an Android user.  Also, for some reason, I get the (unsupported by any data) feeling that Android users are generally younger than iPhone users.
 
2013-04-25 10:07:13 PM

bingethinker: Altair: From the comments:

I've never understood the whole fanboi thing where anonymous people are online and flock to defend a massive corporation they don't work for, probably have not invested in and likely spend a few hundred dollars a year to buy one or two of their products like it's part of the True Cross. And fight to the death they will, from hell's heart they stab at thee

The only thing weirder is the people who blindly hate Apple fans.

The paid shills who spread anti-Apple propaganda at least have a purpose to their yammering.


I love to sit back and watch Apple fanbois and (Samsung)Fandroids fight it out.
/While holding my WP
 
2013-04-25 10:10:20 PM

drjekel_mrhyde: bingethinker: Altair: From the comments:

I've never understood the whole fanboi thing where anonymous people are online and flock to defend a massive corporation they don't work for, probably have not invested in and likely spend a few hundred dollars a year to buy one or two of their products like it's part of the True Cross. And fight to the death they will, from hell's heart they stab at thee

The only thing weirder is the people who blindly hate Apple fans.

The paid shills who spread anti-Apple propaganda at least have a purpose to their yammering.

I love to sit back and watch Apple fanbois and (Samsung)Fandroids fight it out.
/While holding my WP


*Looks at 3 year old Blackberry that still makes calls just fine*

....wut?
 
2013-04-25 10:11:06 PM
bingethinker:
The only thing weirder is the people who blindly hate Apple fans.

No, rest assured people who blindly defend Apple are just as weird as people who blindly hate them.

I don't think you know this, but you're farking weird.  You're the only person to show up in literally every single Apple thread to defend them, no matter what the context is.  You're a farking weirdo.
 
2013-04-25 10:14:30 PM
If you asked most people they would state that Windows tablets are an absolute disaster and failure, correct?

If you asked the same people about Macs would they say the same thing?  Probably not.

Here's the interesting thing, for Q1 (based on web metrics) OSx variants accounted for 7.13% of web traffic.  In the same time period Microsoft tablets comprised 7.5% of tablet sales.  So the level of disaster and failure can somehow be the same.
 
2013-04-25 10:18:25 PM
I dislike (hate is a strong word) Apple at it's core. I have never been a fan of "iAnything", yet even to me this whole "Apple is done!1!!!1!" Thing is exceptionally retarded.

There are plenty of people who will still buy the product, even if typing on the iPhone 6 leaves their fingers with the faint smell of rotting vagina.

Don't get your Andoroos in a bunch yet boys.
 
2013-04-25 10:22:56 PM
Who's been saying "death spiral"? I'm guessing the voices in subby's head.
 
2013-04-25 10:24:12 PM
For some reason I get the feeling this is one of those "Show up or get buttraped by red tape when you want to develop for the next iPhone/Pad" kind of conferences?  Apple is run by control freaks.  They make great tech, but they're still control freaks.
 
2013-04-25 10:25:04 PM
Well people are dipshiats I guess!
 
2013-04-25 10:42:12 PM
I went in 2009. Mostly for XSAN and server stuff for an AV and design shop. It was a good conference.

/haters gonna hate
 
2013-04-25 10:42:46 PM

Mercutio74: relaxitsjustme: I listen to a stock guru radio program when it happens to be on and I'm driving somewhere.  He's also developed a stock app.  (search Best Stocks Now)  The other day he mentioned that the downloads of his app are about 10-1 Apple to Android and he's not even bothering to develop it for BBRY or MSFT.  That leads me to jump to two conclusions:  That people with money to invest buy iPhones and if I was a developer I would be developing apps for the iPhone

Hmmm... that is odd.  I think Android's market share is bigger than iPhone in the US these days.  Perhaps there's something about the iPhone user that's more interested in "stock tips" than an Android user.  Also, for some reason, I get the (unsupported by any data) feeling that Android users are generally younger than iPhone users.


Maybe his Android version sucks ass.
 
2013-04-25 10:49:15 PM
Good ole Apple... 25 years on it's deathbed and still going.
 
2013-04-25 10:49:25 PM
Subby is an Apple fanboi with a victim complex. Hilarious!
 
2013-04-25 10:56:49 PM
imgs.xkcd.com
 
2013-04-25 10:59:24 PM
That's 5000 developers hoping like hell Apple has a next generation to develop into because, lets be frank, everything out there today is just highly refined iPhones and laptops.
 
2013-04-25 11:03:39 PM

Altair: Steve Jobs will not sleep with you.


Last I heard he's not in a position to say no.

/giggity
 
2013-04-25 11:09:55 PM

Mercutio74: relaxitsjustme: I listen to a stock guru radio program when it happens to be on and I'm driving somewhere.  He's also developed a stock app.  (search Best Stocks Now)  The other day he mentioned that the downloads of his app are about 10-1 Apple to Android and he's not even bothering to develop it for BBRY or MSFT.  That leads me to jump to two conclusions:  That people with money to invest buy iPhones and if I was a developer I would be developing apps for the iPhone

Hmmm... that is odd.  I think Android's market share is bigger than iPhone in the US these days.  Perhaps there's something about the iPhone user that's more interested in "stock tips" than an Android user.  Also, for some reason, I get the (unsupported by any data) feeling that Android users are generally younger than iPhone users.


More Android smart phones are sold. However, many of them are not even a modern version of the OS (they run Gingerbread or earlier), they are nearly without profit, and going by web traffic numbers, they are barely used for actual web browsing.  Basically, they're moving units, but at no profit and no one seems to actually like using them.

Now, I leave it open that there is room for more - Windows Phone 8 is not terrible (and honestly, if I wasn't so attached to iOS, I'd be owning a Lumia 920 right now), Firefox and Ubuntu are both releasing phone OSes this year.  Basically, Phone OSes are still a big growth area, and there's room for more participants as well as more growth for the bigger ones.

I'm waiting to see how this goes. Overall I'm happier to be an Apple investor right now then a Google. Apple has more hardware that is more interesting in the pipeline, they get to control the OS, and unlike MS or Google, you don't have the "Real" versions butting into my tailored ones. Google Glass is their coolest idea, but I'm not convinced people are ready for 800 dollar Dragonball Z scanners. I suspect Apple is developing, long-term, a "phone extension" in the form of a Watch which will share and relay information to your phone so you don't have to pull it out all the time. I think that will be more socially accepted.
 
2013-04-25 11:12:02 PM

Summoner101: Altair: Steve Jobs will not sleep with you.

Last I heard he's not in a position to say no.

/giggity


RIP Stephanie

i.imgur.com
 
2013-04-25 11:14:06 PM
I'm using Google Chrome on a Macbook Air running Windows 7...
 
2013-04-25 11:26:12 PM

Altair: *Looks at 3 year old Blackberry that still makes calls just fine*

....wut?


I finally shiatcanned my work Blackberry because we got rid of our BES's (if the President of the company has a BB on the BES - then YOU have a BB on the BES) and got an iPhone 5.  The very, very great things about it, including a functional browser and all of the apps, are a little overshadowed by things I took for granted on my old blackberry.  I really miss the physical keyboard, but only because the iPhone 5 is too small for me to type on correctly (one of the Samhungs would have been better).  But little things, like being able to select multiple messages and delete them, or choosing a day and bulk deleting messages from that day, were apparently really important to me.  I could use my blackberry all day for email if I had to, but now if I want to do "cleanup" I find myself hitting a desktop client because the interface is just too damn slow on the iPhone.  And Apple should give you an option of turning off the stupid "delete animation" - I don't need to waste two seconds per message to watch it file into a trash can.

That said, I'll learn how to tweak it since I've only had it for a week.  It's still a far better experience than my old BB, but that physical keyboard sure was farking handy.  The one thing you can do with buttons that you can't do on a touch screen is key sequences by memory, and I did that a lot.

I'll give Blackberry some due - their devices were very efficient for business if you only used your phone for email and, uh, phone.  They failed on every other level.  I had a Bold 9650, and by the time I retired it it would take a full two minutes to load the Washington Post mobile page, which was still considered "Blackberry friendly."  It wouldn't load most other pages at all.

Still, I might go Android for the next refresh.  I like Apple, I have an iPod and a Macbook Pro retina, but this iPhone is just a little too small.  I'm old, I have shiatty eyesight, and the portrait keyboard was clearly made for a 14 year old ballerina's fingers.  My thumbs are like cluster bombs trying to find the right key, and typing with one index finger is an exercise in madness.  I'm trying out apps to improve the keyboard, but that will take a while.

Another small complaint - the default alarm clock takes the volume setting of the entire phone, so if you turn your ringer volume down the alarm becomes inaudible.  I know you can buy apps that will get around that, but why there isn't a separate volume control for the alarm clock, something BB managed to add six years ago, is beyond me.
 
2013-04-25 11:29:07 PM
^ I like to use my cheap $200 Kindle HD for app needs.

/was born in the 80s
//i still use a cell phone as a phone
///Go Human Beings
 
2013-04-25 11:30:22 PM
you can have 5000 fanbois of  something and still be in a death spiral.

not saying they are, or even that I care if they are, just sayin is all
 
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