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2013-04-25 02:46:44 PM  
I'm curious what their standards are; I technically have around 25% disability due to a lower back injury, but I'm not on any kind of service. If I were, would they expect me to be wheelchair bound or something? I can still do stuff, even up to occasionally getting a 40 pound bag of litter or whatever as long as I only do it once in a great while...
 
2013-04-25 03:08:45 PM  
Dude that was skimming us while jamming out should be required to pay that money back... Also what a douchenozzle - check out his performance at 0:43  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjKPdQaQFBc
 
2013-04-25 03:18:10 PM  

Elzar: Dude that was skimming us while jamming out should be required to pay that money back... Also what a douchenozzle - check out his performance at 0:43  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjKPdQaQFBc


Perhaps he's mentally disabled. Sure appears to be.
 
2013-04-25 03:52:46 PM  
Just exactly why does "don't upload videos of yourself half naked, wrapped in foil, doing the robot to Steppenwolf's Magic Carpet Ride" require a qualifier?
 
2013-04-25 04:06:30 PM  
Look, I don't tell you how to live your life, subby.
 
2013-04-25 04:25:46 PM  
CSB:

My mom had to fire a lady for working while on disability.  We were at a friends' house for dinner and had the local news on after the meal.  We saw the lady who supposed to be on disability crying on the news.  She was working at a supermarket and her husband was supposed to come and pick her up afterward.  She discovered their car in the parking lot, but no husband.  Turns out he was dead and stuffed in the trunk.

Mom:  "Great.  Now I have to fire her, too."
 
2013-04-25 04:42:52 PM  
tea bagger-like dancing detected.
 
2013-04-25 04:46:20 PM  
Protip: If you're going to commit disability fraud, don't upload videos of yourself half-naked, wrapped in foil, and doing the robot to Steppenwolf's "Magic Carpet Ride"

Better for you individually, worse for Fark collectively.
 
2013-04-25 04:46:38 PM  
Why can't disabled people be half-naked and do the robot?  Clear case of discrimination if you ask me.
 
2013-04-25 04:47:04 PM  
My friend used to be PI which I thought sounded like an awesome job, but mostly it involved him staking out trailer parks in Alabama to catch people scamming disability.
 
2013-04-25 04:47:50 PM  
They should sue them for all the benefits they ever got, plus interest.

Plus, they should be put on a list: never to receive one cent from the government again.
 
2013-04-25 04:49:33 PM  

Rapmaster2000: My friend used to be PI which I thought sounded like an awesome job, but mostly it involved him staking out trailer parks in Alabama to catch people scamming disability.


I've done that job, but for me it was it was guys cutting wood in the north Georgia mountains.
 
2013-04-25 04:49:41 PM  
Well, at least not if it's a  physicaldisability.
 
2013-04-25 04:51:46 PM  
www.unitedspinal.org
 
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2013-04-25 04:52:41 PM  

Diogenes: CSB:

My mom had to fire a lady for working while on disability.  We were at a friends' house for dinner and had the local news on after the meal.  We saw the lady who supposed to be on disability crying on the news.  She was working at a supermarket and her husband was supposed to come and pick her up afterward.  She discovered their car in the parking lot, but no husband.  Turns out he was dead and stuffed in the trunk.

Mom:  "Great.  Now I have to fire her, too."


To quote Nathan Fillion when the entire audience at a convention flipped him off in unison at another Firefly cast member's behest, "That's farked up!"
 
2013-04-25 04:52:48 PM  
I went out with a woman who gets $900 a month for "disability" and the only thing wrong with her is she doesn't like to work.
 
2013-04-25 04:52:57 PM  
I bet the investigation into this person cost more than the alleged fraud.
 
2013-04-25 04:53:14 PM  
If we're talking about a mental disability, then this might actually work for you.

/just saying
 
2013-04-25 04:56:12 PM  
One shouldn't do that whether they are committing fraud or not.
 
2013-04-25 04:58:07 PM  
This isn't the robot you're looking for.

appvader.com
 
2013-04-25 04:58:58 PM  

GoldSpider: I bet the investigation into this person cost more than the alleged fraud.


I doubt it. He had been claiming disability for 18 years.
 
2013-04-25 04:59:10 PM  

GoldSpider: I bet the investigation into this person cost more than the alleged fraud.


doubtful. Disability checks add up to quite a bit over time.

And from what i've heard from people hired to do the investigation, they're treated like independent contractors - get no benefits, no training. Have a camera? Great - go shoot this guy and get us pictures. We'll pay you when you're done.
 
2013-04-25 05:00:44 PM  

geek_mars: One shouldn't do that whether they are committing fraud or not.


Depends on ones physique
 
2013-04-25 05:03:54 PM  

Boeheimian Rhapsody: We'll pay you when you're done.


As a former PI I can tell you good luck with that one, quite a few companies will string you along for 3 months then leave without paying sure you can sue and win but it takes months and you are broke now.
 
2013-04-25 05:09:12 PM  
Dancing, dancing, dancing!
He's a dancing machiiiiiiiiiiine.
 
2013-04-25 05:11:50 PM  
Haha, wheres the video?  I have to see this dude do the robot.
 
2013-04-25 05:14:00 PM  

Atomic Spunk: I doubt it. He had been claiming disability for 18 years.


Boeheimian Rhapsody: doubtful. Disability checks add up to quite a bit over time.


Good thing the article didn't elaborate on how much he was collecting.
 
2013-04-25 05:18:56 PM  
Disability is as much about not being able to obtain and keep gainful employment as it is about being "disabled." It also seems like it's a lot easier to get disability if you say you're depressed rather than getting it for actually being disabled. The system sucks.

I haven't applied for it even though I have Ankylosing Spondylitis, DDD, C4-5-6 cervical spine fusions, self fusing of the SI Joints to the hip bones and lower spine self fused from SI up through L2 and still fusing, otosclerosis to the the point my eardrum and Eustachian tube has collapsed, inflammatory arthritis, frozen shoulder, and osteo arthritis. I can't sit or stand for long periods of time, I can't do manual labor, I can't even brush my own hair or dress myself because of the frozen shoulder. However, I've already been told I'll have greater success with my application if I just file as mentally depressed.

800mg Ibuprofen prn, vitamin D daily,15 mg meloxicam daily, methotrexate weekly, folic acid daily, 120 10/650 hydrocodone/mo, 120 methocarbamol/mo, And zoloft to round it all out.  Still living off savings 10 months after quitting my job and getting out of the national guard (22 yrs!).

My bf got his SS disability approved because of his mental status even though he has surgical fusions of c5-6-7, severe bulging/nerve root impingement at C3-4-5, and C7-T1 and S1-5 fusions with rods on each side of his spine from a military tank accident. VA refuses to do anything about his current neck issues and only refers him to psych. VA just approved him 100% disability due to mental status/unemployability, not due to physical issues. He's a mechanic by trade and to just watch him try to work on cars is painful. When he does do work for friends/relatives, he winds up a twisted mass of pain for 3-4 days afterwards. No one would hire him like that. So it's not just "you can't work" it's more "you can't stay gainfully employed."

/I'm depressed because I'm in pain.
//DOC: No, you're in pain because you're depressed.
///ME: No, you farktard, I'm in pain because my farking skeleton is FUSING together all by itself!
////COBRA and savings running out in about 3 months
 
2013-04-25 05:26:59 PM  

sn68f: Disability is as much about not being able to obtain and keep gainful employment as it is about being "disabled."


Perhaps we could put together a separate program, maybe call it "The one constant in all the jobs you were fired from is YOU".
 
2013-04-25 05:38:10 PM  

I_Am_Weasel: Just exactly why does "don't upload videos of yourself half naked, wrapped in foil, doing the robot to Steppenwolf's Magic Carpet Ride" require a qualifier?


I came here to say exactly this. I've had some crazy drunken karaoke shenanigans before (including but not limited to humping a bar stool while warbling Prince's Darling Nikki) but nothing of QUITE that magnitude.
 
2013-04-25 05:38:25 PM  
My boss was on a criminal trial jury for a guy who was charged with workers comp/disability fraud (and I kinda sorta know the guy who was on trial to boot)....defendant was a maintenance man at a state prison and had some sort of accident (I think he fell off a short ladder, but don't remember details).  After a couple of surgeries on his shoulder, he was still supposedly so disabled that he couldn't even use a screwdriver at work....his case kinda fell apart when the prosecutor showed literally hours of video of him riding a quad through the desert, fishing, shooting, bowling, playing softball and many other activities that called into question his "disability".....he wound up doing 90 days in county and is paying the state back somewhere around $450k....if the dumbass had worked half as hard at his job as he did trying to get out of work, he would have been employee of the year for life...
 
2013-04-25 05:39:41 PM  
sn68f: Disability is as much about not being able to obtain and keep gainful employment as it is about being "disabled." It also seems like it's a lot easier to get disability if you say you're depressed rather than getting it for actually being disabled. The system sucks.

I haven't applied for it even though I have Ankylosing Spondylitis, DDD, C4-5-6 cervical spine fusions, self fusing of the SI Joints to the hip bones and lower spine self fused from SI up through L2 and still fusing, otosclerosis to the the point my eardrum and Eustachian tube has collapsed, inflammatory arthritis, frozen shoulder, and osteo arthritis. I can't sit or stand for long periods of time, I can't do manual labor, I can't even brush my own hair or dress myself because of the frozen shoulder. However, I've already been told I'll have greater success with my application if I just file as mentally depressed.

800mg Ibuprofen prn, vitamin D daily,15 mg meloxicam daily, methotrexate weekly, folic acid daily, 120 10/650 hydrocodone/mo, 120 methocarbamol/mo, And zoloft to round it all out.  Still living off savings 10 months after quitting my job and getting out of the national guard (22 yrs!).

My bf got his SS disability approved because of his mental status even though he has surgical fusions of c5-6-7, severe bulging/nerve root impingement at C3-4-5, and C7-T1 and S1-5 fusions with rods on each side of his spine from a military tank accident. VA refuses to do anything about his current neck issues and only refers him to psych. VA just approved him 100% disability due to mental status/unemployability, not due to physical issues. He's a mechanic by trade and to just watch him try to work on cars is painful. When he does do work for friends/relatives, he winds up a twisted mass of pain for 3-4 days afterwards. No one would hire him like that. So it's not just "you can't work" it's more "you can't stay gainfully employed."

/I'm depressed because I'm in pain.
//DOC: No, you're in pain because you're d ...


Both of you sound kinda shiatty on the physical side. you need a new lawyer. At least you are able to enjoy sex, just don't film it.
 
2013-04-25 05:44:19 PM  

sn68f: Disability is as much about not being able to obtain and keep gainful employment as it is about being "disabled." It also seems like it's a lot easier to get disability if you say you're depressed rather than getting it for actually being disabled. The system sucks.

I haven't applied for it even though I have Ankylosing Spondylitis, DDD, C4-5-6 cervical spine fusions, self fusing of the SI Joints to the hip bones and lower spine self fused from SI up through L2 and still fusing, otosclerosis to the the point my eardrum and Eustachian tube has collapsed, inflammatory arthritis, frozen shoulder, and osteo arthritis. I can't sit or stand for long periods of time, I can't do manual labor, I can't even brush my own hair or dress myself because of the frozen shoulder. However, I've already been told I'll have greater success with my application if I just file as mentally depressed.

800mg Ibuprofen prn, vitamin D daily,15 mg meloxicam daily, methotrexate weekly, folic acid daily, 120 10/650 hydrocodone/mo, 120 methocarbamol/mo, And zoloft to round it all out.  Still living off savings 10 months after quitting my job and getting out of the national guard (22 yrs!).

My bf got his SS disability approved because of his mental status even though he has surgical fusions of c5-6-7, severe bulging/nerve root impingement at C3-4-5, and C7-T1 and S1-5 fusions with rods on each side of his spine from a military tank accident. VA refuses to do anything about his current neck issues and only refers him to psych. VA just approved him 100% disability due to mental status/unemployability, not due to physical issues. He's a mechanic by trade and to just watch him try to work on cars is painful. When he does do work for friends/relatives, he winds up a twisted mass of pain for 3-4 days afterwards. No one would hire him like that. So it's not just "you can't work" it's more "you can't stay gainfully employed."

/I'm depressed because I'm in pain.
//DOC: No, you're in pain because you're depressed.
///ME: No, you farktard, I'm in pain because my farking skeleton is FUSING together all by itself!
////COBRA and savings running out in about 3 months


You poor dear. I can relate because of my mother- she has neuropathy in her feet, climbing up her legs as time goes on, and she's losing feeling in her hands. Her feet burn and hurt constantly but since there's no real way to confirm the diagnosis beyond her pain level, since it can manifest so many ways, my mom gets zero credit and no doc will sign off on any disability for her. On her feet all day as a vet tech and has to ice her feet, which are swollen and red, every day after work.

/SSS
//sad story sis
 
2013-04-25 05:45:14 PM  
The gov should tie these pople to a tree and allow the general public to throw rottng vegtables at them. on pay per view yadda yada...
 
2013-04-25 05:51:35 PM  
Was it this guy?
i232.photobucket.com
Sure, blame the guy in the chair.
 
2013-04-25 05:58:37 PM  
A lot of people get on disability, because they worked a low education job and then were laid off. States actually help place people on disability, because the federal government picks up 100% of the costs. These people get up to 2000.00 a month plus 100% healthcare and most of them are not unable to work they are just don't have any marketable skills and/or are too old to be hired by most companies. Over 13 million the last time I checked. Every paycheck you are helping them live a life of ease. Sleep well liberals you have to work tomorrow.
 
2013-04-25 05:59:35 PM  

Krymson Tyde: Was it this guy?
[i232.photobucket.com image 300x199]
Sure, blame the guy in the chair.


Leaving satisfied.

/took entirely too long
 
2013-04-25 06:01:46 PM  

sn68f: It also seems like it's a lot easier to get disability if you say you're depressed rather than getting it for actually being disabled. The system sucks.


I know at least 2 people who have done this.
 
2013-04-25 06:01:49 PM  
Well, you don't know what
We can find
Why don't you come with me little girl
On a magic carpet ride
 
2013-04-25 06:06:54 PM  

GoldSpider: sn68f: Disability is as much about not being able to obtain and keep gainful employment as it is about being "disabled."

Perhaps we could put together a separate program, maybe call it "The one constant in all the jobs you were fired from is YOU".


I've never been fired.  Went to college and joined the national guard while my kids were still in diapers-early 1990's.  Graduated college, worked odd jobs until I got hired as an excepted Federal Auditor (requiring continued guard membership). Worked 12 years at that job, as well as serving one year overseas, and obtained my MBA while still working full time. My medical issues started around 1998, and snowballed last year. I knew I couldn't stay in the guard in that condition, so I resigned, which also meant giving up my full time job. Had I known better I would've filed for disability within a year of leaving federal service. It was never my intention to quit working forever, and to reiterate, I've never been fired. I just understand that my condition will now make it impossible for me to get a job where I can actually work for 40+ hours a week. I am putting in applications even now, because I didn't go through all that schooling to NOT work. But who is going to hire me if I'm either in pain or in a medicated fog all day? Neither are productive for any employer.

swangoatman: Both of you sound kinda shiatty on the physical side. you need a new lawyer. At least you are able to enjoy sex, just don't film it.

Some days I think it would make for a great comedy/tragedy. I don't need a lawyer, my issues are degenerative/autoimmune.  And you can't fight the VA. He was on 90% VA disability and I got the paperwork done to get him the 100% and it only took a year. Getting them to fix his neck has been awful. I got the MRI on the civ side with medicare but the out of pocket costs for further treatment will be cost prohibitive. I took the civ MRI to the VA and they said they wanted their own MRI, then called and said he couldn't have one due to the existing hardware. WTF? Then they scheduled him a psychiatrist appointment. Fun fun.
 
2013-04-25 06:11:07 PM  

antidisestablishmentarianism: sn68f: It also seems like it's a lot easier to get disability if you say you're depressed rather than getting it for actually being disabled. The system sucks.

I know at least 2 people who have done this.


I was able to take a leave of absence from work for solely this reason once a few years back. Granted I had just suffered something horrible and tragic, so it was legit, but I'm thankful it was an option at the time.

I don't get people who are on antidepressants when there's nothing wrong with their life though. Dated a guy like that. He said the medication make him function normally and he couldn't get up otherwise. I'm going, huh? His life was just fine, nothing had happened to warrant needing meds. *shrug*
 
2013-04-25 06:14:18 PM  
I used to process the video for a PI firm that handled disability.  Of course it was shiatty quality on tapes (before digital video in the 90s) and I had to spend hours trying to clean that crap up so it could be used for the court cases.

Anyways you would not believe the crap that disabled people are able to do.  I think the funniest one was some guy with a bad back was caught smoking crack or something and saw the PI filming him so he proceeded to run off and did some jump half flip thing over a 6-8' cinderblock wall to get away.
 
2013-04-25 06:23:27 PM  

kiwimoogle84: antidisestablishmentarianism: sn68f: It also seems like it's a lot easier to get disability if you say you're depressed rather than getting it for actually being disabled. The system sucks.

I know at least 2 people who have done this.

I was able to take a leave of absence from work for solely this reason once a few years back. Granted I had just suffered something horrible and tragic, so it was legit, but I'm thankful it was an option at the time.

I don't get people who are on antidepressants when there's nothing wrong with their life though. Dated a guy like that. He said the medication make him function normally and he couldn't get up otherwise. I'm going, huh? His life was just fine, nothing had happened to warrant needing meds. *shrug*


That's the point.  If you're depressed because the bank took your house and your spouse ran away with your best friend and your dog got run over by a school bus and your hair is falling out and your kid needs a new liver  being depressed is a normal reaction.  If your life improves, you likely won't be depressed anymore even if you did need meds to get through it.  If you're depressed even though your life is pretty normal, then that's brain-chemistry-is-farked-up-won't-get-better-without-meds/counseling/ basket-of-kittens depression.

I want a basket of kittens now.
 
2013-04-25 06:23:40 PM  

kiwimoogle84: sn68f:


My mom OD'd on ER-Morphine in Feb, triggering a stroke and multiple organ failure. I do honestly think she didn't know that's what it was, nor that she was allergic to it (the dangers of self medicating and sharing your meds with others). While in ICU the lung doctor asked me about her previous medical conditions/history. I said she had fibromyalgia. He proceeded to lecture me on how it wasn't a "real" disorder, that it was some made up crap to make women feel better, and the only thing it's treated with is antidepressants.  I asked him if he was a neurologist and he said no, and I said then stfu.  Asshole.  Mom's back home and taking care of herself. Still waiting on medicaid to come through, because Medicare does not cover all the medical bills. She is 66 and living off $620 SS/mo. First medicaid app and SSI were denied. Apparently $620 is too much. Her out of pocket just for meds is now $241/mo. The whole reason she wasn't on meds before is she couldn't afford them. I paid for the first month, her sister covered April. No idea what we are going to do for May.
 
2013-04-25 06:28:12 PM  
Tin foil guy is LEGIT. Who in their right minds would do what he just did? He's totally unable to think clearly and probably his mental state has gotten worse! Can you imagine if they forced that guy to work and he actually gets hired? Can you imagine the shock of his co-workers when they open the bathroom stall and find him dressed in tin foil doing the robot or macarena on top of a toilet for an hour? By himself?
 
2013-04-25 06:31:42 PM  

trivial use of my dark powers: kiwimoogle84: antidisestablishmentarianism: sn68f: It also seems like it's a lot easier to get disability if you say you're depressed rather than getting it for actually being disabled. The system sucks.

I know at least 2 people who have done this.

I was able to take a leave of absence from work for solely this reason once a few years back. Granted I had just suffered something horrible and tragic, so it was legit, but I'm thankful it was an option at the time.

I don't get people who are on antidepressants when there's nothing wrong with their life though. Dated a guy like that. He said the medication make him function normally and he couldn't get up otherwise. I'm going, huh? His life was just fine, nothing had happened to warrant needing meds. *shrug*

That's the point.  If you're depressed because the bank took your house and your spouse ran away with your best friend and your dog got run over by a school bus and your hair is falling out and your kid needs a new liver  being depressed is a normal reaction.  If your life improves, you likely won't be depressed anymore even if you did need meds to get through it.  If you're depressed even though your life is pretty normal, then that's brain-chemistry-is-farked-up-won't-get-better-without-meds/counseling/ basket-of-kittens depression.

I want a basket of kittens now.


It's a solid argument. Then again, my life has been such a roller coaster that I'd be SO HAPPY with just "normal."

And sn68f- man, I'm sorry to hear that. The elderly aren't given enough help. It's awful what they are given after a lifetime of working for the man, and I'm sorry to hear about your struggles.

I can relate somewhat. Only time in my life I've had terrible insurance benefits, and the only time I need them. I pay $400 a month for a ppo that only covers 70% of my bills, with a thousand deductible. And I'm having a baby in a few months for a high risk pregnancy. So not only am I paying 30% of everything after my deductible, I'm paying $400 a month and still owe my OB $1400 total for my care just for HER portion, which has to be paid in full by July. We literally have no idea how we survive some months.

But done threadjacking. Life sucks haha :)
 
2013-04-25 06:45:43 PM  

antidisestablishmentarianism: Krymson Tyde: Was it this guy?
[i232.photobucket.com image 300x199]
Sure, blame the guy in the chair.

Leaving satisfied.

/took entirely too long


Sorry. I had to find an episode with Ray on Netflix, get a screen grab, then upload it. Photobucket was being a biatch or it would have been up much earlier.

I think I'll watch some TPB tonight.
 
2013-04-25 06:50:13 PM  

Profedius: These people get up to 2000.00 a month plus


WRONG!
 
2013-04-25 06:52:36 PM  
Protip: If you're going to commit disability fraud, don't upload videos of yourself half-naked, wrapped in foil, and doing the robot to Steppenwolf's "Magic Carpet Ride"

So...full monty, then?
 
2013-04-25 07:00:13 PM  

antidisestablishmentarianism: sn68f: It also seems like it's a lot easier to get disability if you say you're depressed rather than getting it for actually being disabled. The system sucks.

I know at least 2 people who have done this.


My guess? It's a trap. Which trap though, is the question.

1) All of the "mental" people are going to be the first ones rounded up and shipped off to the FEMA camps.
2) They will all be lobotomized with pharmaceuticals that make Big Pharma even richer (aka Obamacare on sterioids).
3) Both
 
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