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(That Eric Alper)   The Beatles' "The End" isolated tracks. Mind blown   (thatericalper.com) divider line 112
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2013-04-25 01:45:06 PM  
I got the four track stems to some stuff off of Sgt. Pepper here, someplace.  It's odd because when you solo them, they don't sound that good, but when you go faders up, that album starts playing.  Sir George Martin was a f*cking genius.
 
2013-04-25 02:19:07 PM  
Bookmark. Though I have disc made by someone who got the entire abbey road album isolated tracks and made a damn impressive surround sound mix. It's revelatory.
 
2013-04-25 04:49:57 PM  
Subby, you are awesome.

/Beatles geek
 
2013-04-25 05:07:19 PM  
always amazed at the isolated tracks the local "breffist with the beatles" guy gets on his radio show.  one -- and he plays a shiatload -- was the iso of Clapton's "Gently Weeps" solo.  that shiat was farking cooler than magnets.
 
2013-04-25 05:10:33 PM  
That is really cool. Thanks, Subby.
 
2013-04-25 05:12:01 PM  
Also a groovy bookmark
 
2013-04-25 05:18:49 PM  
I remember being able to do this with the stereo LP, headphones, and changing from L to R output.  But, man, that was over 25 years ago, so maybe I don' t remember it at all...
 
2013-04-25 05:23:15 PM  
Ceci n'est pas un bookmark aussi. Merci beaucoup subby.
 
2013-04-25 05:26:41 PM  
No George Martin himself, blogger's analysis copied wikipedia, which was based on  Dominic Pedler. The Songwriting Secrets of the Beatles. Music Sales Limited. Omnibus Press. NY. 2003.  ( pp392-394 ; see the rest of the footnotes in wikipedia.)

//Mind blown.
 
2013-04-25 05:36:35 PM  
Oh, man, that's the shiat. I love the Electric Poet! Squirming like a toad and stuff.
 
2013-04-25 05:42:51 PM  
Before today I had never heard the term "plagal cadence". Now I've come across it twice in one day, in completely unrelated contexts. Huh.
 
2013-04-25 05:48:50 PM  
Good find, subby.
 
2013-04-25 05:51:40 PM  
I've been demoing songs on my computer on the cheap using Audacity and this makes me want to throw my computer out the window.
 
2013-04-25 05:57:04 PM  
Oh fu*k yes.
 
2013-04-25 05:57:45 PM  

Dr.Zom: I've been demoing songs on my computer on the cheap using Audacity and this makes me want to throw my computer out the window.



Ha.  I bought a 4 track mobile recorder (live taping) recently for about $120.  it has 192kHz/32bit (or whatever the actual numbers are, capability, CD quality being 44.1/16bit) and I think, "the farking beatles did EVERYTHING* on 4-tracks.....)

*actualy, i think they did a couple of songs towards the end Olympic on 8 track, which at the time, was revolutionary.
 
2013-04-25 05:58:55 PM  
Wait - what?  I thought Bryan Jones was the drummer for the Beatles.
 
2013-04-25 05:59:09 PM  

rickythepenguin: Dr.Zom: I've been demoing songs on my computer on the cheap using Audacity and this makes me want to throw my computer out the window.


Ha.  I bought a 4 track mobile recorder (live taping) recently for about $120.  it has 192kHz/32bit (or whatever the actual numbers are, capability, CD quality being 44.1/16bit) and I think, "the farking beatles did EVERYTHING* on 4-tracks.....)

*actualy, i think they did a couple of songs towards the end Olympic on 8 track, which at the time, was revolutionary.


Actually, Sgt. Pepper was, IIRC, done on two four tracks that were slaved synced with a 60 Hz. tone on one track each, giving them 6 tracks to mix from, but the stems are to four.
 
2013-04-25 06:00:37 PM  

bunner: It's odd because when you solo them, they don't sound that good, but when you go faders up, that album starts playing.  Sir George Martin was a f*cking genius.


a lot of their stuff is like that. if you listen to the individual tracks of "she's leaving home," for instance, you can hear off-key singing and other "errors." but when it's all mixed together, it's glorious.
 
2013-04-25 06:04:42 PM  

rickythepenguin: that shiat was farking cooler than magnets.


oi44.tinypic.com
 
2013-04-25 06:11:22 PM  

bunner: rickythepenguin: Dr.Zom: I've been demoing songs on my computer on the cheap using Audacity and this makes me want to throw my computer out the window.


Ha.  I bought a 4 track mobile recorder (live taping) recently for about $120.  it has 192kHz/32bit (or whatever the actual numbers are, capability, CD quality being 44.1/16bit) and I think, "the farking beatles did EVERYTHING* on 4-tracks.....)

*actualy, i think they did a couple of songs towards the end Olympic on 8 track, which at the time, was revolutionary.

Actually, Sgt. Pepper was, IIRC, done on two four tracks that were slaved synced with a 60 Hz. tone on one track each, giving them 6 tracks to mix from, but the stems are to four.


I think you're right, although Abbey Road and I think the White Album were done on 8 tracks, I can't remember what Let it Be was done on though.

It's also awesome how much compression was on that Ringo drum solo, Geoff Emerick was pretty alright at doing the good stuff...
 
2013-04-25 06:15:57 PM  

downstairs: Subby, you are awesome.

/Beatles geek


+1
 
2013-04-25 06:17:25 PM  
It's weird, all the comments here about mistakes/sloppiness in the separate tracks.  I think that's fairly common on most recording.  Can't explain why it is that way but it's pretty fascinating how mistakes almost literally vanish when everything is played together.
 
2013-04-25 06:20:45 PM  
Nice to see a Beatles thread that isn't about how overrated they are.
 
2013-04-25 06:22:16 PM  

bunner: Sgt. Pepper was, IIRC, done on two four tracks that were slaved synced with a 60 Hz. tone on one
track each, giving them 6 tracks to mix from, but the stems are to four.


huh....i've never heard that, but you could very well be right.  i'm not exactly captain beatles recordings, although i'm a huge fan.


knight_on_the_rail: think you're right, although Abbey Road and I think the White Album were done on 8 tracks, I can't remember what Let it Be was done on though.


Abbey Road was what i was alluding to, re "towards the end they used 8 tracks".  I don't think the White Album was recorded anywhere but Abbey Road which as far as I can recall, was only 4.  And Let It Be was the last released Beatles album, but in fact recorded before Abbey Road.

and if i'm not mistaken, "The End" aka "Medley" was in fact the last thing the Beatles recorded, fittingly.  although "Her Majesty" closes the album, it was literally and metaphorically patched together (paul thought it was crap, after he left the studio an engineer grabbed the tape and spliced it onto what would become the master reel) to close the ablum but i believe it was recorded some time before "The End".

there's some crazy stat of like, the 200+ beatles songs, only about 4-5 weren't recorded at Abbey Road.  THey used I think Olympic's 8-track and perhaps a few recordings made at Twickenham (the disastrous film showing the band fraying before our eyes:  "i'll play anything you want.  or i'll play nothing at all!  whatever pleases you."  *paul winces*
 
2013-04-25 06:23:16 PM  

Dr.Zom: I've been demoing songs on my computer on the cheap using Audacity and this makes me want to throw my computer out the window.


I feel your pain, the couple of times I've opened Audacity out of curiosity were nightmares.  You should download Reaper if you're looking for something cheap, I think it's only $60 or so.  I'm a little bit too attached to my software to change anytime soon, but Reaper seems like it's pretty alright, I know one engineer who uses it almost exclusively.
 
2013-04-25 06:24:11 PM  

Dr.Zom: I've been demoing songs on my computer on the cheap using Audacity and this makes me want to throw my computer out the window.


Try Reaper - you can try for free with no lilmitations other than a 5 second nag screen, and if you decide it's great (it is) they'll only want $60 when you get around to it in your own time.
 
2013-04-25 06:27:28 PM  

knight_on_the_rail: Dr.Zom: I've been demoing songs on my computer on the cheap using Audacity and this makes me want to throw my computer out the window.

I feel your pain, the couple of times I've opened Audacity out of curiosity were nightmares.  You should download Reaper if you're looking for something cheap, I think it's only $60 or so.  I'm a little bit too attached to my software to change anytime soon, but Reaper seems like it's pretty alright, I know one engineer who uses it almost exclusively.


Guess I should have refreshed comments before posting, ha.

/and spelled limitations right...
 
2013-04-25 06:35:09 PM  

rickythepenguin: bunner: Sgt. Pepper was, IIRC, done on two four tracks that were slaved synced with a 60 Hz. tone on one
track each, giving them 6 tracks to mix from, but the stems are to four.

huh....i've never heard that, but you could very well be right.  i'm not exactly captain beatles recordings, although i'm a huge fan.


knight_on_the_rail: think you're right, although Abbey Road and I think the White Album were done on 8 tracks, I can't remember what Let it Be was done on though.

Abbey Road was what i was alluding to, re "towards the end they used 8 tracks".  I don't think the White Album was recorded anywhere but Abbey Road which as far as I can recall, was only 4.  And Let It Be was the last released Beatles album, but in fact recorded before Abbey Road.

and if i'm not mistaken, "The End" aka "Medley" was in fact the last thing the Beatles recorded, fittingly.  although "Her Majesty" closes the album, it was literally and metaphorically patched together (paul thought it was crap, after he left the studio an engineer grabbed the tape and spliced it onto what would become the master reel) to close the ablum but i believe it was recorded some time before "The End".

there's some crazy stat of like, the 200+ beatles songs, only about 4-5 weren't recorded at Abbey Road.  THey used I think Olympic's 8-track and perhaps a few recordings made at Twickenham (the disastrous film showing the band fraying before our eyes:  "i'll play anything you want.  or i'll play nothing at all!  whatever pleases you."  *paul winces*


Well, I think Dear Prudence was done at Trident, but also i'm reasonably sure the Beatles had an 8 track installed in studio 2 against EMI's wishes for their sessions on that album.  They certainly had one up and running at the end of 1968, but I think the Beatles were the first to use it early that year.
 
2013-04-25 06:47:48 PM  
Cheap Trick makin it sound AMAZING:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=38in3P9DWz4
 
2013-04-25 06:50:27 PM  
Thanks subby... Started googling around and found some similar stuff. Paul's vocals isolated on oh darlin are ridiculous
 
2013-04-25 06:54:13 PM  

toddism: Cheap Trick makin it sound AMAZING:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=38in3P9DWz4


Thank you so much for that.
 
2013-04-25 07:00:46 PM  

knight_on_the_rail: bunner: rickythepenguin: Dr.Zom: I've been demoing songs on my computer on the cheap using Audacity and this makes me want to throw my computer out the window.


Ha.  I bought a 4 track mobile recorder (live taping) recently for about $120.  it has 192kHz/32bit (or whatever the actual numbers are, capability, CD quality being 44.1/16bit) and I think, "the farking beatles did EVERYTHING* on 4-tracks.....)

*actualy, i think they did a couple of songs towards the end Olympic on 8 track, which at the time, was revolutionary.

Actually, Sgt. Pepper was, IIRC, done on two four tracks that were slaved synced with a 60 Hz. tone on one track each, giving them 6 tracks to mix from, but the stems are to four.

I think you're right, although Abbey Road and I think the White Album were done on 8 tracks, I can't remember what Let it Be was done on though.

 On Let It Be, at least at Twickenham, mics were tied in with the cameras. You get all the synching beeps at the front end, and then they might be 12 seconds into a take when the film on that camera runs out and you have to figure out which other recordings are the same take... except it's not miked like a studio where they have the drum kit and the piano and amps miked and they're running vocals through a console, so they don't match. It's just a mess, and there are hours and hours of tapes. It doesn't surprise me at all that producing the album was such a hassle. When I got the various boxed sets of bootlegs it pretty much killed off my interest in outtakes for awhile. All in all, I think Glyn Johns did a commendable job given what he had to work with, and he didn't leave off Don't Let Me Down, either, which was just stupid of Phil Spector.
 
2013-04-25 07:04:56 PM  

rickythepenguin: (the disastrous film showing the band fraying before our eyes: "i'll play anything you want. or i'll play nothing at all! whatever pleases you." *paul winces*


I love Let It Be (the movie).  Sad that after 44-ish years, Paul still won't release an extended version.  By all accounts he has the film.

I know most of it will show him as a much bigger prick and control freak.  But I think most Beatles fans understand now that he was that way because everyone else was drifting away, and he was doing his best to keep the band together.
 
2013-04-25 07:06:17 PM  

rickythepenguin: bunner: Sgt. Pepper was, IIRC, done on two four tracks that were slaved synced with a 60 Hz. tone on one
track each, giving them 6 tracks to mix from, but the stems are to four.

huh....i've never heard that, but you could very well be right.  i'm not exactly captain beatles recordings, although i'm a huge fan.


knight_on_the_rail: think you're right, although Abbey Road and I think the White Album were done on 8 tracks, I can't remember what Let it Be was done on though.

Abbey Road was what i was alluding to, re "towards the end they used 8 tracks".  I don't think the White Album was recorded anywhere but Abbey Road which as far as I can recall, was only 4.  And Let It Be was the last released Beatles album, but in fact recorded before Abbey Road.

and if i'm not mistaken, "The End" aka "Medley" was in fact the last thing the Beatles recorded, fittingly.  although "Her Majesty" closes the album, it was literally and metaphorically patched together (paul thought it was crap, after he left the studio an engineer grabbed the tape and spliced it onto what would become the master reel) to close the ablum but i believe it was recorded some time before "The End".

there's some crazy stat of like, the 200+ beatles songs, only about 4-5 weren't recorded at Abbey Road.  THey used I think Olympic's 8-track and perhaps a few recordings made at Twickenham (the disastrous film showing the band fraying before our eyes:  "i'll play anything you want.  or i'll play nothing at all!  whatever pleases you."  *paul winces*


Also, "Her Majesty" is between "Mean Mr. Mustard" and "Polythene Pam" in the side 2 suite.
 
2013-04-25 07:07:38 PM  
this is awesome. Another that's fun is hearing the raw recording tracks to pretty much anything even without isolation. Hearing what something sounded like before being mixed, when it can sound very different from what you're used to.
 
2013-04-25 07:08:18 PM  

Hoopy Frood: On Let It Be, at least at Twickenham, mics were tied in with the cameras.


Confused what you mean?  Again, I geek out on this stuff... but I haven't been in audio in like 20 years.

There are clearly 2 mics used for the vocals.  At least its clear when George gets shocked in the movie ("if he dies, you're gonna have to cop it").  I assumed one mic was fed into real recording equipment, and the other into the cameras?
 
2013-04-25 07:13:29 PM  

WhyteRaven74: this is awesome. Another that's fun is hearing the raw recording tracks to pretty much anything even without isolation. Hearing what something sounded like before being mixed, when it can sound very different from what you're used to.


And being able to effectively knit those sows ears into a cohesive silk purse is, thankfully, why I'm able to pay by rent.   :  )
 
2013-04-25 07:13:48 PM  

rickythepenguin: always amazed at the isolated tracks the local "breffist with the beatles" guy gets on his radio show.  one -- and he plays a shiatload -- was the iso of Clapton's "Gently Weeps" solo.  that shiat was farking cooler than magnets.


Linky?  Would love to hear it.
 
2013-04-25 07:16:52 PM  

downstairs: rickythepenguin: (the disastrous film showing the band fraying before our eyes: "i'll play anything you want. or i'll play nothing at all! whatever pleases you." *paul winces*

I love Let It Be (the movie).  Sad that after 44-ish years, Paul still won't release an extended version.  By all accounts he has the film.

I know most of it will show him as a much bigger prick and control freak.  But I think most Beatles fans understand now that he was that way because everyone else was drifting away, and he was doing his best to keep the band together.


I've only been able to see it once and have never been able to find it since, although I think if I were better at internets it's probably available.  But I remember thinking it was great being able to see them sit around and workshop a lot of those songs, and how neat it was to hear how different a lot of them were to what they finally ended up being on the record.  It does seem odd that Paul wouldn't release the extended cut, but I also wouldn't be surprised if Yoko had something to do with it not being out there also.
 
2013-04-25 07:22:31 PM  
I'm a freak about only 2 bands: The Beatles and Black Sabbath/Early Ozzy. I love listening to isolated tracks. I found some great Randy Rhoads isolated tracks on YouTube.

Thank you so much, subby.
/+ infinity
 
2013-04-25 07:32:55 PM  
I'm up to the vocal track of Helter Skelter.

Paul sang the shiat out of that song.
 
2013-04-25 07:48:08 PM  
I'm always amazed that they put out such a fantastic album, with each of them contributing so much, at a time when they were just about broken up already.
 
2013-04-25 07:56:04 PM  
I like the isolated track of Merry Clayton on "Gimme Shelter."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqXyjbgs5rU

from wiki: "She suffered a miscarriage upon returning home, attributed by some sources to the strain involved in reaching the highest notes."
 
2013-04-25 08:00:05 PM  

downstairs: Hoopy Frood: On Let It Be, at least at Twickenham, mics were tied in with the cameras.

Confused what you mean?  Again, I geek out on this stuff... but I haven't been in audio in like 20 years.

There are clearly 2 mics used for the vocals.  At least its clear when George gets shocked in the movie ("if he dies, you're gonna have to cop it").  I assumed one mic was fed into real recording equipment, and the other into the cameras?


I guess what I'm referring to is the Nagra Reels. Some of them are off the board, some weren't, but they had tape running constantly that needed to match with camera shots. For the rooftop scene, for example, there's a two-CD bootleg with more than two hours of audio from a 24-minute performance.
 
2013-04-25 08:14:29 PM  

toddism: Cheap Trick makin it sound AMAZING:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=38in3P9DWz4


Saw this on the same page...fun

Jimi Hendrix performs Sgt. Pepper
 
2013-04-25 08:44:25 PM  

bunner: toddism: Cheap Trick makin it sound AMAZING:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=38in3P9DWz4

Thank you so much for that.


Hear, hear!
 
2013-04-25 08:48:27 PM  
This is followed by a #ivdim-I pattern (D#dim chord to A chord) on "dreams tonight." During this, the accompanying bass and one guitar move chromatically from A to B and D#, while the second guitar harmonises a minor third higher to reach F#.[13] The sequential three guitar solos rotate through I7 (A7 chord)-IV7 (D7 chord) changes in the key of A in a mix blah blah blah

This is why I'm glad I'm a drummer.  Too much thinking involved with that music stuff.

/only partially kidding...I want to learn all that stuff and understand it but I aint got the time
 
2013-04-25 08:57:16 PM  

downstairs: Linky? Would love to hear it.


wish i had it...check Youtube.  the guy just plays this amazing stuff (Andre Gardner's "Breakfast with the Beatles", in sydication), wish I had it tos end to you.

knight_on_the_rail: Well, I think Dear Prudence was done at Trident, but also i'm reasonably sure the Beatles had an 8 track installed in studio 2 against EMI's wishes for their sessions on that album. They certainly had one up and running at the end of 1968, but I think the Beatles were the first to use it early that year.


you could be right, dunno.
 
2013-04-25 09:19:47 PM  
It would be cool if tere was a live show where different musicians were playing individually and in groups as the mixer isolated various instruments and vocals and you were able to only see who was playing by lights over each channel on stage.
 
2013-04-25 09:27:10 PM  
Theres a great track on this with just the vocals on " Something" where you hear Paul hum the guitar solo. Going into it thinking ive heard everything about the Beatles recording. Was wong. Very cool!!

George Martin really was the 5th Beatle, I always get the the sense that the Beatles dont like that comparison too much, and slightly giving him the shaft at times. But where would they be without him?
 
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