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(University of Arizona)   This guy makes Westboro Baptist Church protest signs look sane   (wildcat.arizona.edu) divider line 329
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2013-04-25 11:51:37 AM  
Oh yes, my alma mater replete with angry Mall preachers. (The grass strip between buildings is called "the Mall").

Once I was confronted by a group of roving Christians:

Me- "How does anyone know for certain that God  exists?"
Head Pastor -"If you pray to God he will make himself known to you"
Me - grasps hands and prays "Dear Jesus, please let yourself be known to me for truth is more important than ignorance"
The group of roving x-tians look at me with their eyes wide. They were expecting a miracle.
Me -shrugs "Nope"
 
2013-04-25 11:57:06 AM  
Same mentality you see in conservative Islam.  Men can't keep it under control and in their pants, so the woman must conceal her body.

Sorry, your lack of control is your problem.  Not another's.
 
2013-04-25 11:58:01 AM  
These are professional trolls.
Don't try this at home.
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2013-04-25 12:00:17 PM  
OK by me as long as he is the rapee.
 
2013-04-25 12:01:48 PM  
Saxton, a junior studying classics and religious studies, said his sermon was meant to convey that "if you dress like a whore, act like a whore, you're probably going to get raped."

"I think that girls that dress and act like it," Saxton said, "they should realize that they do have partial responsibility, because I believe that they're pretty much asking for it."



I think what they meant was...

Saxton, an asshat, studying classics and religious studies, said his idiocy was meant to convey that "if you hold signs like a douche, act like a douche, you're probably going to get your ass kicked."

"I think that I'm a douche and act like it," Saxton said, "I should realize that I do have partial responsibility, because I believe that I'm pretty much asking for it."
 
2013-04-25 12:05:02 PM  
He also makes their signs look professional by comparison. Did he spend a whole 25 seconds creating that thing? It's embarrassing. No flames or pictures of the hooded rape guy or rape Lincoln.

Zero creativity.
 
2013-04-25 12:05:30 PM  
um... can't they both be insane?
 
2013-04-25 12:09:21 PM  
"It is free speech, but I still disagree that he should be able to call other people names and we can't call him names"


I don't know man, I think you can call him names. Call him whatever the fark you want.
 
2013-04-25 12:10:11 PM  

Because People in power are Stupid: Oh yes, my alma mater replete with angry Mall preachers. (The grass strip between buildings is called "the Mall").


Oh Brother Jed, splits his time between UA in the winter and UW-Madison in the summer.
Lead to my friend always yelling "WHERE IS JESUS WHEN IT'S -10*?" when he passed him.

Once asked him what his shirt was made of, he said "polyester and cotton." I told him he wore a tunic made of two cloth and the bible said I must stone him to death. He flipped the fark out saying that part of the bible didn't apply to him, it was fun
 
2013-04-25 12:15:23 PM  
Diogenes: Same mentality you see in conservative Islam.  Men can't keep it under control and in their pants, so the woman must conceal her body.

Sorry, your lack of control is your problem.  Not another's.


QFFT

/Christ what an asshole
 
2013-04-25 12:16:15 PM  
He does have an exciting Twitter feed.

https://twitter.com/brodeanIV

and a blog

http://deansaxton.wordpress.com/

Fascinating stuff.

And by that I mean brain rattling derp.
 
2013-04-25 12:26:05 PM  
 
2013-04-25 12:27:57 PM  
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2013-04-25 12:28:48 PM  
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2013-04-25 12:29:16 PM  
Every campus seems have one of these pay attention to me morans that say the derpiest thing they can to get a bit of attention.   And they always have a huge crowd.

Hell every fark thead seems to have one of these pay attention to me morans that say the derpiest thing they can to get a bit of attention.
 
2013-04-25 12:29:39 PM  
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2013-04-25 12:32:03 PM  

brap: Every campus seems have one of these pay attention to me morans that say the derpiest thing they can to get a bit of attention.   And they always have a huge crowd.

Hell every fark thead seems to have one of these pay attention to me morans that say the derpiest thing they can to get a bit of attention.


I don't think either of these shirts will help a brother get laid:

pbs.twimg.com

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2013-04-25 12:34:04 PM  

CapeFearCadaver: brap: Every campus seems have one of these pay attention to me morans that say the derpiest thing they can to get a bit of attention.   And they always have a huge crowd.

Hell every fark thead seems to have one of these pay attention to me morans that say the derpiest thing they can to get a bit of attention.

I don't think either of these shirts will help a brother get laid:

[pbs.twimg.com image 478x846]

[pbs.twimg.com image 480x640]


What an incredibly punchable face
 
2013-04-25 12:35:27 PM  
So that's his problem, he needs to get laid.  Somebody needs to tell him that women do not want to hear that shiat. He needs to mellow out and leave the religious shiat at home.
 
2013-04-25 12:40:32 PM  
Now THAT'S how you troll.
 
2013-04-25 12:41:44 PM  
Here's the thing. If someone were to take a lead pipe and beat the living snot out of this shiatbag, he would most certainly deserve it. And the person who did it would still be charged, convicted, and jailed for the offense. Why should rape be different?

I_Am_Weasel: He does have an exciting Twitter feed.

https://twitter.com/brodeanIV

and a blog

http://deansaxton.wordpress.com/

Fascinating stuff.

And by that I mean brain rattling derp.


As I said in the redlit thread, this word salad "FEMINISTS" image (right before "Virgin Pride" and "I'm a serial rapist" "Will you submit to me?" in the gallery) is truly inspired:
pbs.twimg.com
 
2013-04-25 12:42:47 PM  

James!: So that's his problem, he needs to get laid.  Somebody needs to tell him that women do not want to hear that shiat. He needs to mellow out and leave the religious shiat at home.

 
2013-04-25 12:43:10 PM  

CapeFearCadaver: brap: Every campus seems have one of these pay attention to me morans that say the derpiest thing they can to get a bit of attention.   And they always have a huge crowd.

Hell every fark thead seems to have one of these pay attention to me morans that say the derpiest thing they can to get a bit of attention.

I don't think either of these shirts will help a brother get laid:

[pbs.twimg.com image 478x846]

[pbs.twimg.com image 480x640]


That first shirt says that feminists 'make lousEy mothers' which I take to mean 'having many lice'.... interesting biological phenomenon.
 
2013-04-25 12:46:11 PM  

CapeFearCadaver: James!: So that's his problem, he needs to get laid.  Somebody needs to tell him that women do not want to hear that shiat. He needs to mellow out and leave the religious shiat at home.


Bah, threw my image away. It was a sigh that said "PORNO SEX IS SIN!"
 
2013-04-25 12:51:55 PM  

oldernell: OK by me as long as he is the rapee.


I have to say, were he raped, I wouldn't feel the least bit bad.  I would probably chortle a bit.
 
2013-04-25 12:54:35 PM  
So make a sign that says Im with stupid, go stand next to him for a while, have a few laughs and move on. Giving these people ANY attention is a victory for them.
 
2013-04-25 12:54:44 PM  
What I always find weird about these campus stories is how well protected anyones rights are regardless of what they're doing or how shocking it is.. It's like "Oh look, that's how it's supposed to work in the real world"..
 
2013-04-25 12:55:41 PM  
I just watched "Ghandi" yesterday.  I'm in a more forgiving mood.  We need to simply say to these people, "I think you're wrong, and I think you have been hurt somehow, to think this way.  I hope you can get past the hurt and realize that you're speaking from hate, fear and anger.  I hope you find a better person in your head than that."

Quote from the movie:  An eye for eye just gives us a world where everyone is blind.
 
2013-04-25 12:55:54 PM  
His face is punchable for so many different reasons, I'll need some new fangled technology to count them all.
 
2013-04-25 12:56:22 PM  
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2013-04-25 12:56:40 PM  

timujin: oldernell: OK by me as long as he is the rapee.

I have to say, were he raped, I wouldn't feel the least bit bad.  I would probably chortle a bit.


I said with his sign.....
media.azw.s3.amazonaws.com
No problem. SOMEBODY should Rape Him. He's just *asking* for it. He's apparently offering. (i.e "Rape" is a verb, you deserve to be able to rape, or have rape or "get your rape on"....ergo......"COME AT ME BRO!!!!"
 
2013-04-25 12:56:43 PM  
www.reactiongifs.com
 
2013-04-25 12:57:07 PM  
These guys completely agree with them.
img.timeinc.net
 
2013-04-25 12:57:12 PM  

styckx: What I always find weird about these campus stories is how well protected anyones rights are regardless of what they're doing or how shocking it is.. It's like "Oh look, that's how it's supposed to work in the real world"..


Yeah you don't see these guys doing this at the Cubbyhole or Meow Mix or even the local biker bar, they'd be spitting up bloody chicklets.
 
2013-04-25 12:57:16 PM  
I hope this guy gets raped.

/not really
//but I probably won't cry if he does get raped
///gotta make slashies in threes
 
2013-04-25 12:57:20 PM  
Well, maybe he'll write an abstinence column for Fox News.
 
2013-04-25 12:57:30 PM  
Seems legit to me - as far as I know, that's what the Abrahamic faiths believe, and we do have freedom of religion, here.
I think that it's better for folks like that to talk - if that's what they're walking around thinking, I want to be aware of them.
 
2013-04-25 12:58:10 PM  
Sounds like someone needs some firsthand experience in what he is advocating.
 
2013-04-25 12:58:47 PM  
You deserve a rape today?
 
2013-04-25 12:58:58 PM  
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2013-04-25 12:59:01 PM  
You are correct subs
 
2013-04-25 12:59:22 PM  
Come for the rape, stay for the farkers in the comments debating which your/you're belongs were where.
 
2013-04-25 12:59:30 PM  

James!: So that's his problem, he needs to get laid.  Somebody needs to tell him that women do not want to hear that shiat. He needs to mellow out and leave the religious shiat at home.


I am not in favor of anything that will increase the odds of those genes propagating.
 
2013-04-25 12:59:43 PM  

Diogenes: Same mentality you see in conservative Islam.  Men can't keep it under control and in their pants, so the woman must conceal her body.

Sorry, your lack of control is your problem.  Not another's.


And we're done here............
/ I agree
 
2013-04-25 12:59:48 PM  

CapeFearCadaver: CapeFearCadaver: James!: So that's his problem, he needs to get laid.  Somebody needs to tell him that women do not want to hear that shiat. He needs to mellow out and leave the religious shiat at home.

Bah, threw my image away. It was a sigh that said "PORNO SEX IS SIN!"


Porno sex would be a great band name.  But seriously, what in the hell is porno sex?  Is it really that difficult to just say pornography is sin?  I guess so.
 
2013-04-25 12:59:56 PM  
See, when I first read that, I thought "Well, there are strains of theolgy out there that teach that because you're a sinner, you deserve everything bad that happens to you. I suppose rape would be a subset of those bad things..."

/ Those same religious strains also teach that the rapists deserve whatever happens to them
// Then God sends almost everyone to hell, and they all deserve that, too
 
2013-04-25 01:00:30 PM  

CapeFearCadaver: [pbs.twimg.com image 600x450]


I agree with that sign. He DOES deserve help.
 
2013-04-25 01:00:36 PM  

Because People in power are Stupid: Oh yes, my alma mater replete with angry Mall preachers. (The grass strip between buildings is called "the Mall").


ha.  99% sure the building behind him is the clinic.  he's standing right across from the planetarium, it appears.
 
2013-04-25 01:00:45 PM  
Ah, good ol' Dean. It's truly a pleasure to have him associated with our classics department.
 
2013-04-25 01:01:03 PM  
This is Grade A Derp-a-troll. He's conning everyone.
 
2013-04-25 01:01:34 PM  

orclover: These guys completely agree with them.
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And these:
i18.photobucket.com

Like I said - the Abrahamic faiths.
 
2013-04-25 01:03:10 PM  
I'd say 'if you sound, look and act like a douchebag that deserves a punch to the face, then you probably deserve to be punched in the face' then I would punch him.
 
2013-04-25 01:03:11 PM  

brap: Every campus seems have one of these pay attention to me morans that say the derpiest thing they can to get a bit of attention. And they always have a huge crowd.


There were three of these asshats at the college I attended. The university put a stop to it because one of them assaulted another student (who had called him on his BS).
 
2013-04-25 01:03:27 PM  
I weep for my city
 
2013-04-25 01:03:54 PM  

Kibbler: I just watched "Ghandi" yesterday.  I'm in a more forgiving mood.  We need to simply say to these people, "I think you're wrong, and I think you have been hurt somehow, to think this way.  I hope you can get past the hurt and realize that you're speaking from hate, fear and anger.  I hope you find a better person in your head than that."

Quote from the movie:  An eye for eye just gives us a world where everyone is blind.


I'm in the same camp but I'm more like "Dude, I know you crave attention and punishment but pay for your own got-damned dom, these ladies have classes to get to."
 
2013-04-25 01:04:05 PM  
He seems like a classy guy.
 
2013-04-25 01:04:21 PM  
There isn't a single one of these campus preachers that isn't a rapist, pedophile, closeted homosexual, or otherwise severely twisted in the brain.  If you see one, be sure to tell them what a creep they are.
 
2013-04-25 01:04:33 PM  
I think he has sermon to be at in 26 minutes.


zedster: Once asked him what his shirt was made of, he said "polyester and cotton." I told him he wore a tunic made of two cloth and the bible said I must stone him to death. He flipped the fark out saying that part of the bible didn't apply to him, it was fun


Typical. Farking. Hypocrite.
 
2013-04-25 01:04:33 PM  

Jument: You deserve a rape today?


Maybe he *misheard*....maybe he's a *HUGE McDonalds fan..




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/Clicky photo linky pops.
 
2013-04-25 01:04:42 PM  
I know it's stupid-simple, but I can't help but chuckle at the "You Deserve Grape" sign.
 
2013-04-25 01:04:57 PM  

brap: styckx: What I always find weird about these campus stories is how well protected anyones rights are regardless of what they're doing or how shocking it is.. It's like "Oh look, that's how it's supposed to work in the real world"..

Yeah you don't see these guys doing this at the Cubbyhole or Meow Mix or even the local biker bar, they'd be spitting up bloody chicklets.


Meow Mix closed a LOOOOOOONG time ago.
 
2013-04-25 01:04:59 PM  

jso2897: orclover: These guys completely agree with them.
[img.timeinc.net image 525x294]

And these:
[i18.photobucket.com image 350x212]

Like I said - the Abrahamic faiths.


This just in: Fundies of all stripes do not reflect mainstream consensus.
/Next up: Local man tests water. Finds it wet.
 
2013-04-25 01:05:04 PM  

rickythepenguin: Because People in power are Stupid: Oh yes, my alma mater replete with angry Mall preachers. (The grass strip between buildings is called "the Mall").

ha.  99% sure the building behind him is the clinic.  he's standing right across from the planetarium, it appears.


Dude, it's Plane-arium.

cdn.static.ovimg.com
 
2013-04-25 01:05:24 PM  

ChipNASA: timujin: oldernell: OK by me as long as he is the rapee.

I have to say, were he raped, I wouldn't feel the least bit bad.  I would probably chortle a bit.

I said with his sign.....
[media.azw.s3.amazonaws.com image 500x333]
No problem. SOMEBODY should Rape Him. He's just *asking* for it. He's apparently offering. (i.e "Rape" is a verb, you deserve to be able to rape, or have rape or "get your rape on"....ergo......"COME AT ME BRO!!!!"


Excellent point.  He didn't write "you deserve TO BE raped"... Anyone in Arizona feeling rapey?  He's telling you that you deserve to get some.
 
2013-04-25 01:06:11 PM  
This dude is a helluva troll.

"I got done with my Philosophy 110 class at 11:50am and promptly went over to the hill, to preach for 30 min. there was this vixen, I guess I really shouldn't be surprised here at the University of Adultery. But none the less she was dressed in such a way that screamed "WHORE!" So being the good Christian I am, I casually said that she probably spent too much time at the Zoo...in the camel section specifically.
Rebuking whores is needed but can get tiresome"
 
2013-04-25 01:06:12 PM  

Because People in power are Stupid: Oh yes, my alma mater replete with angry Mall preachers. (The grass strip between buildings is called "the Mall").

Once I was confronted by a group of roving Christians:

Me- "How does anyone know for certain that God  exists?"
Head Pastor -"If you pray to God he will make himself known to you"
Me - grasps hands and prays "Dear Jesus, please let yourself be known to me for truth is more important than ignorance"
The group of roving x-tians look at me with their eyes wide. They were expecting a miracle.
Me -shrugs "Nope"


Hey, another Wildcat. Cool.

I always liked listening to Brother Jed while holding a "[citation needed]" sign. It gave me something to do in the afternoon in between classes and I got some fresh air.

/derpy people are amusing
 
2013-04-25 01:07:49 PM  

Albert911emt: His face is punchable for so many different reasons, I'll need some new fangled technology to count them all.


The world's most punchable face belongs to George Osborne.

i.telegraph.co.uk

Punchability of others can be expressed as a percentage of Osborne. The one in TFA is about 75%.  Jedward clock in at about 90% each and Nick Griffin is about 98%. Hope this helps.
 
2013-04-25 01:08:31 PM  
I think the heat bakes some peoples minds.
 
2013-04-25 01:08:38 PM  
ITG time.

Seriously why hasn't anybody kicked the shiat out of him? I mean with the number of unbalanced people in the world I find it so hard to believe that no father/boyfriend/husband/brother of a rape victim with anger control issues hasn't taken a hefty swing at a guy holding a sign like that.  Hell I'm a level headed guy and I had brief moment of rage when some asshat used the gap in traffic caused by an ambulance to pass me and 5 other cars yesterday.  How has this guy not encountered somebody willing to take a swing?
 
2013-04-25 01:08:49 PM  

heypete: Hey, another Wildcat. Cool.

I always liked listening to Brother Jed while holding a "[citation needed]" sign. It gave me something to do in the afternoon in between classes and I got some fresh air.

/derpy people are amusing


I don't hate you quite as much.
/You still should have taken some basic economics courses.
 
2013-04-25 01:09:00 PM  
This is one topic that confuses me: I absolutely believe that it is not the woman's fault regardless of how dresses or acts or drinks or whatever.

Here is my question though, does those increase's one chance or not? In a perfect world it would not, but we live in a real world that is not perfect.

Who's fault it is, is after the fact (and we know for sure who's fault it is, just to emphasis, there is no question there). But that will not change the fact about the trouble that one have to go through.

Basically, if you keep the door open and things get stolen, it is still thief's fault, but you could reduce that chance by locking that door. Because, at the end of the day, you are the one who lost items.

Now, I don't know for sure, if any of those behavior actually increases the chance or not. If it does not, the whole argument is invalid.
 
2013-04-25 01:09:49 PM  
Shouldn't he have gone to Arizona State if he really wanted to troll a bunch of floozy coeds?

/Never been to the UofA campus/Tucson in general
//wouldn't surprise me though if there's plenty of hot chicks there too
 
2013-04-25 01:10:14 PM  

Egoy3k: Seriously why hasn't anybody kicked the shiat out of him? I mean with the number of unbalanced people in the world I find it so hard to believe that no father/boyfriend/husband/brother of a rape victim with anger control issues hasn't taken a hefty swing at a guy holding a sign like that. Hell I'm a level headed guy and I had brief moment of rage when some asshat used the gap in traffic caused by an ambulance to pass me and 5 other cars yesterday. How has this guy not encountered somebody willing to take a swing?


Because anyone stupid enough to resort to violence over something like that probably agrees with him.
 
2013-04-25 01:10:21 PM  
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2013-04-25 01:11:08 PM  

BillDozer357: I know it's stupid-simple, but I can't help but chuckle at the "You Deserve Grape" sign.


It's the shiat-eating grin on the face of the guy holding it.  I can't help but smile back at him.
 
2013-04-25 01:11:23 PM  

mayIFark: This is one topic that confuses me: I absolutely believe that it is not the woman's fault regardless of how dresses or acts or drinks or whatever.

Here is my question though, does those increase's one chance or not? In a perfect world it would not, but we live in a real world that is not perfect.

Who's fault it is, is after the fact (and we know for sure who's fault it is, just to emphasis, there is no question there). But that will not change the fact about the trouble that one have to go through.

Basically, if you keep the door open and things get stolen, it is still thief's fault, but you could reduce that chance by locking that door. Because, at the end of the day, you are the one who lost items.

Now, I don't know for sure, if any of those behavior actually increases the chance or not. If it does not, the whole argument is invalid.


I almost zeroed that. On second thought, it might get some traction: 3/10.
/Didn't deserve a second thought.
 
2013-04-25 01:11:32 PM  

undernova: This is Grade A Derp-a-troll. He's conning everyone.


He may be a dipshiat, but if we didn't protect the speech of the idiots, we'd never hear from Congress...wait. I may be onto something...
 
2013-04-25 01:11:41 PM  
I'm so happy to see this. The whole PC movement has made it so much more difficult to spot ass-hats, and when they willingly come forward and identify themselves, it make it that much easier on the rest of us.
 
2013-04-25 01:12:52 PM  

mayIFark: This is one topic that confuses me: I absolutely believe that it is not the woman's fault regardless of how dresses or acts or drinks or whatever.

Here is my question though, does those increase's one chance or not? In a perfect world it would not, but we live in a real world that is not perfect.

Who's fault it is, is after the fact (and we know for sure who's fault it is, just to emphasis, there is no question there). But that will not change the fact about the trouble that one have to go through.

Basically, if you keep the door open and things get stolen, it is still thief's fault, but you could reduce that chance by locking that door. Because, at the end of the day, you are the one who lost items.

Now, I don't know for sure, if any of those behavior actually increases the chance or not. If it does not, the whole argument is invalid.


Just to make sure, DNRTFA, and do not agree with the sign, this just came up as a after thought.
 
2013-04-25 01:13:13 PM  

jso2897: orclover: These guys completely agree with them.
[img.timeinc.net image 525x294]

And these:
[i18.photobucket.com image 350x212]

Like I said - the Abrahamic faiths.


Just FYI:
The words on the left are from the Ten Commandments ("Do not kill/murder"). The verse on the left is from Genesis ("He who spills blood of man shall himself have his blood spilled").

Of course, to go into the various opinions on abortion held by Orthodox Judaism would take far more time than I care to devote. Suffice to say: "Not exactly, Yitzchak."
 
2013-04-25 01:13:13 PM  

mayIFark: This is one topic that confuses me: I absolutely believe that it is not the woman's fault regardless of how dresses or acts or drinks or whatever.

Here is my question though, does those increase's one chance or not? In a perfect world it would not, but we live in a real world that is not perfect.

Who's fault it is, is after the fact (and we know for sure who's fault it is, just to emphasis, there is no question there). But that will not change the fact about the trouble that one have to go through.

Basically, if you keep the door open and things get stolen, it is still thief's fault, but you could reduce that chance by locking that door. Because, at the end of the day, you are the one who lost items.

Now, I don't know for sure, if any of those behavior actually increases the chance or not. If it does not, the whole argument is invalid.


If someone is intent on committing a random rape (most rapes are not random, but committed by people the victim knows) they're going to do it no matter how the victim is dressed.  No rapist actually thinks that wearing a mini-skirt is an invitation to forcibly insert your dick in a lady.
 
2013-04-25 01:13:39 PM  

Killer Cars: wouldn't surprise me though if there's plenty of hot chicks there too


Yes there are a few good looking woman hanging around the UofA.  Oh and because it's so hot they don't wear much.
 
2013-04-25 01:14:28 PM  

James!: Meow Mix closed a LOOOOOOONG time ago.


 So I date myself, SOMEBODY HAS TO.

(I knew that, it's still iconic to me dammit!)
 
2013-04-25 01:14:33 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: BillDozer357: I know it's stupid-simple, but I can't help but chuckle at the "You Deserve Grape" sign.

It's the shiat-eating grin on the face of the guy holding it.  I can't help but smile back at him.


It would be HELLA FUNNY if he was wearing THIS...

genedoe.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-04-25 01:14:58 PM  

mayIFark: mayIFark: This is one topic that confuses me: I absolutely believe that it is not the woman's fault regardless of how dresses or acts or drinks or whatever.

Here is my question though, does those increase's one chance or not? In a perfect world it would not, but we live in a real world that is not perfect.

Who's fault it is, is after the fact (and we know for sure who's fault it is, just to emphasis, there is no question there). But that will not change the fact about the trouble that one have to go through.

Basically, if you keep the door open and things get stolen, it is still thief's fault, but you could reduce that chance by locking that door. Because, at the end of the day, you are the one who lost items.

Now, I don't know for sure, if any of those behavior actually increases the chance or not. If it does not, the whole argument is invalid.

Just to make sure, DNRTFA, and do not agree with the sign, this just came up as a after thought.


Nobody's going to bite the original post, but you might reel some in with this.

/seriously, stop that
 
2013-04-25 01:15:25 PM  

brap: James!: Meow Mix closed a LOOOOOOONG time ago.

 So I date myself, SOMEBODY HAS TO.

(I knew that, it's still iconic to me dammit!)


I was there, brother. I know.
 
2013-04-25 01:16:01 PM  
No, he's the same. He's copying them. And just like WBC, he doesn't really believe any of it. It's all in hopes of a lawsuit.
THEY ARE PROFESSIONAL TROLLS,
in the real sense of the word. Ignore them.
 
2013-04-25 01:16:37 PM  

ChipNASA: The My Little Pony Killer: BillDozer357: I know it's stupid-simple, but I can't help but chuckle at the "You Deserve Grape" sign.

It's the shiat-eating grin on the face of the guy holding it.  I can't help but smile back at him.

It would be HELLA FUNNY if he was wearing THIS...

[genedoe.files.wordpress.com image 350x350]


Especially if he were to remove all of the grapes except the triangle near the bottom of the costume.
 
2013-04-25 01:17:04 PM  

jaytkay: And this differs from mainstream Republicans how?

/ It doesn't


Honesty?
 
2013-04-25 01:17:32 PM  

mayIFark: This is one topic that confuses me: I absolutely believe that it is not the woman's fault regardless of how dresses or acts or drinks or whatever.

Here is my question though, does those increase's one chance or not? In a perfect world it would not, but we live in a real world that is not perfect.

Who's fault it is, is after the fact (and we know for sure who's fault it is, just to emphasis, there is no question there). But that will not change the fact about the trouble that one have to go through.

Basically, if you keep the door open and things get stolen, it is still thief's fault, but you could reduce that chance by locking that door. Because, at the end of the day, you are the one who lost items.

Now, I don't know for sure, if any of those behavior actually increases the chance or not. If it does not, the whole argument is invalid.


Your confusing two things, invitation and ease of accessibility.  The thief takes the unlocked apartment because it's easier and quieter. A better analogy would be a car stereo stolen from a car with a giant sticker on the window proclaiming the existence of the stereo. The last time I checked you don't need to wear super revealing clothing for people to know that you posses the necessary equipment.
 
2013-04-25 01:17:33 PM  
If you got to this point, why are you even spending the money to go to college?  It's like when they try to integrate the "special" kids into mainstream classrooms.  All you end up doing is annoying the other students.
 
2013-04-25 01:19:08 PM  
"I think that girls that dress and act like it," Saxton said, "they should realize that they do have partial responsibility, because I believe that they're pretty much asking for it."

His mother must be so proud.
 
2013-04-25 01:19:14 PM  

demaL-demaL-yeH: I don't hate you quite as much.


Thanks, I guess.

/You still should have taken some basic economics courses.

Er, ok? Not really sure why, but ok. You sure you're not confusing me with someone else?
 
2013-04-25 01:20:44 PM  
There's an old guy who hangs around the street entrance to Kirtland Air Force base in Albuquerque comparing spy satellites to Auschwitz.
 
2013-04-25 01:20:51 PM  
Let's just call dressing like a whore "sexual harassment" and ban it, along with Speedos.
 
2013-04-25 01:21:45 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: mayIFark: mayIFark: This is one topic that confuses me: I absolutely believe that it is not the woman's fault regardless of how dresses or acts or drinks or whatever.

Here is my question though, does those increase's one chance or not? In a perfect world it would not, but we live in a real world that is not perfect.

Who's fault it is, is after the fact (and we know for sure who's fault it is, just to emphasis, there is no question there). But that will not change the fact about the trouble that one have to go through.

Basically, if you keep the door open and things get stolen, it is still thief's fault, but you could reduce that chance by locking that door. Because, at the end of the day, you are the one who lost items.

Now, I don't know for sure, if any of those behavior actually increases the chance or not. If it does not, the whole argument is invalid.

Just to make sure, DNRTFA, and do not agree with the sign, this just came up as a after thought.

Nobody's going to bite the original post, but you might reel some in with this.

/seriously, stop that


I am seriously not trying to troll here. And as someone mentioned, it has nothing to do with how one dresses. In that case, end of the story.

My question is this, IF it increases the chance, would you go with it you cannot control it, its your fault, or rather, its your fault, but I am the one who has to suffer, so I should take precaution.

Why do we check people before boarding the plane, its their fault if they blow it up.

/instead of saying, I'm trolling tell me why I am wrong (and I would like to be wrong) with arguments.
 
2013-04-25 01:22:46 PM  
Egoy3k:

Your confusing two things,

Your

Your

God damn it so much.
 
2013-04-25 01:23:34 PM  

mayIFark: This is one topic that confuses me: I absolutely believe that it is not the woman's fault regardless of how dresses or acts or drinks or whatever.

Here is my question though, does those increase's one chance or not? In a perfect world it would not, but we live in a real world that is not perfect.

Who's fault it is, is after the fact (and we know for sure who's fault it is, just to emphasis, there is no question there). But that will not change the fact about the trouble that one have to go through.

Basically, if you keep the door open and things get stolen, it is still thief's fault, but you could reduce that chance by locking that door. Because, at the end of the day, you are the one who lost items.

Now, I don't know for sure, if any of those behavior actually increases the chance or not. If it does not, the whole argument is invalid.


The argument is invalid anyway: you're analogizing a risky behavior with no benefit for performing and no loss for avoiding, such as "leaving your door unlocked", with a common behavior with benefits that are lost if the behavior is avoided, namely wearing attractive clothing, drinking in public, participating as a full member in society, etc.  In other words, even if the behavior increased the chance of being raped,you have to compare the risk to the potential benefit: there is no or only a negligible benefit to leaving your door unlocked, but there is a substantial benefit to public socializing. By leaving out that comparison, the argument is invalid.

Furthermore, it's likely invalid for the reason you suggested  too: the majority of rapes are by acquaintances, not strangers. Thus, it is not analogous the random thief burglary.
 
2013-04-25 01:24:45 PM  
Wait.

*squints at him*

Uh.

That dude's gay. He isn't handling it particularly well, but he is.
 
2013-04-25 01:25:01 PM  

Egoy3k: ITG time.

Seriously why hasn't anybody kicked the shiat out of him? I mean with the number of unbalanced people in the world I find it so hard to believe that no father/boyfriend/husband/brother of a rape victim with anger control issues hasn't taken a hefty swing at a guy holding a sign like that.  Hell I'm a level headed guy and I had brief moment of rage when some asshat used the gap in traffic caused by an ambulance to pass me and 5 other cars yesterday.  How has this guy not encountered somebody willing to take a swing?


It's Arizona.  Most people agree with him.
 
2013-04-25 01:25:14 PM  
His reasoning is that some women who are raped wore provocative clothing and 'deserve' what happened to them.

I wonder if he would agree that he has made provocative statements and 'deserves' to have his face smashed into the pavement. If a rapist isn't to be held responsible for their own actions, I can't see how anyone could be held responsible for knocking the shiat out of this guy. Kinda surprised no one has tested that out.......
 
2013-04-25 01:25:36 PM  

demaL-demaL-yeH: heypete: Hey, another Wildcat. Cool.

I always liked listening to Brother Jed while holding a "[citation needed]" sign. It gave me something to do in the afternoon in between classes and I got some fresh air.


Brother Jed farkin rocked. Did you ever see his holy roller 70's conversion van? I would cut classes to watch him and "sister cindy" (who was a "disco dancer") when I was in college at UCSB in the late 80's. Took me a while to realize he was for real.
 
2013-04-25 01:26:42 PM  
He has purdy lips . . . I take his sign to mean that I deserve to rape people, including him.
 
2013-04-25 01:26:42 PM  
Sounds like the words a rapist would say. I'd question him the next time there's a rape on the U of A campus.

Because People in power are Stupid: Oh yes, my alma mater replete with angry Mall preachers. (The grass strip between buildings is called "the Mall").

Once I was confronted by a group of roving Christians:

Me- "How does anyone know for certain that God  exists?"
Head Pastor -"If you pray to God he will make himself known to you"
Me - grasps hands and prays "Dear Jesus, please let yourself be known to me for truth is more important than ignorance"
The group of roving x-tians look at me with their eyes wide. They were expecting a miracle.
Me -shrugs "Nope"


Same type of dirtbags appeared at the ASU campus when I was there. Best part is when someone comes at them with a legitimate counterargument and they just end up ignoring them because they can't handle reality.
 
2013-04-25 01:27:27 PM  
Seems to me that one could collect a bunch of people (guys, girls, doesn't matter) to surround him and tell him how incredibly sexy he looks in those tight jeans and T-shirts, and that he must "want it".
 
2013-04-25 01:28:50 PM  
How can this punk, without a beard, flaunt his chin like some sort of lunatic heathen?  Clearly, he deserves to be punched... and raped.
 
2013-04-25 01:29:04 PM  

James!: So that's his problem, he needs to get laid.  Somebody needs to tell him that women do not want to hear that shiat. He needs to mellow out and leave the religious shiat at home.


no
his problem is that he is gay.
and his worship of false gods prevents him from living his life as god made him.
 
2013-04-25 01:29:04 PM  

Theaetetus: mayIFark: This is one topic that confuses me: I absolutely believe that it is not the woman's fault regardless of how dresses or acts or drinks or whatever.

Here is my question though, does those increase's one chance or not? In a perfect world it would not, but we live in a real world that is not perfect.

Who's fault it is, is after the fact (and we know for sure who's fault it is, just to emphasis, there is no question there). But that will not change the fact about the trouble that one have to go through.

Basically, if you keep the door open and things get stolen, it is still thief's fault, but you could reduce that chance by locking that door. Because, at the end of the day, you are the one who lost items.

Now, I don't know for sure, if any of those behavior actually increases the chance or not. If it does not, the whole argument is invalid.

The argument is invalid anyway: you're analogizing a risky behavior with no benefit for performing and no loss for avoiding, such as "leaving your door unlocked", with a common behavior with benefits that are lost if the behavior is avoided, namely wearing attractive clothing, drinking in public, participating as a full member in society, etc.  In other words, even if the behavior increased the chance of being raped,you have to compare the risk to the potential benefit: there is no or only a negligible benefit to leaving your door unlocked, but there is a substantial benefit to public socializing. By leaving out that comparison, the argument is invalid.

Furthermore, it's likely invalid for the reason you suggested  too: the majority of rapes are by acquaintances, not strangers. Thus, it is not analogous the random thief burglary.


A better comparison would be car accidents. Driving a car makes you significantly more likely to be in a car accident. But driving a car has substantial benefits, and is pretty much a requirement for most of society.
Similarly, consuming alcohol in public does make you more likely to be the victim of a rape (see, e.g. Predator Theory, a study which described interviews with self-identified rapists who discussed how they would intentionally target certain victims because they knew that the police and public would find them less credible as victims). However, consuming alcohol in public has substantial benefits (it's a common behavior that leads to marriage, for example), and is pretty much a requirement for most of society.

Does anyone suggest that people should take precautions and  not drive? No.
 
2013-04-25 01:30:08 PM  
Why do I get the feeling he's probably a Men's Rights activist as well.
 
2013-04-25 01:30:15 PM  

Joshie: Wait.

*squints at him*

Uh.

That dude's gay. He isn't handling it particularly well, but he is.


The probably A REPUBLICAN too!!!

/amirute?
 
2013-04-25 01:30:20 PM  
Meh.  With his obvious issues with women, I'm just glad he's confined himself to holding up signs rather than keeping half of a sorority in a pit in his basement.  At least I assume he isn't.
 
2013-04-25 01:31:24 PM  

Theaetetus: consuming alcohol in public has substantial benefits


Logic problem detected.
 
2013-04-25 01:32:07 PM  

alizeran: Brother Jed farkin rocked. Did you ever see his holy roller 70's conversion van? I would cut classes to watch him and "sister cindy" (who was a "disco dancer") when I was in college at UCSB in the late 80's. Took me a while to realize he was for real.


*laughs* Nope. Never saw the van.

What amazes me is that they (a) think they're actually "getting through" to people and (b) people actually contribute money to them so they can afford to go around doing stuff year after year.

/big fan of free speech, even if those speaking can be douches
 
2013-04-25 01:33:12 PM  

Theaetetus: mayIFark: 
The argument is invalid anyway: you're analogizing a risky behavior with no benefit for performing and no loss for avoiding, such as "leaving your door unlocked", with a common behavior with benefits that are lost if the behavior is avoided, namely wearing attractive clothing, drinking in public, participating as a full member in society, etc.  In other words, even if the behavior increased the chance of being raped,you have to compare the risk to the potential benefit: there is no or only a negligible benefit to leaving your door unlocked, but there is a substantial benefit to public socializing. By leaving out that comparison, the argument is invalid.


You are right here, and I accept the difference. Did not occur to me that, there could be benefits of dressing that way. However, to me, if I were a girl, the risk would still out-weight the benefit. Binge eating can be a lot of fun (benefit), but you can die from it (risk). To me, I would not binge eat, because the risk out-weights the benefit here. Is it not the case for dressing as well? (again, I could be wrong)
 
2013-04-25 01:34:01 PM  

orclover: These guys completely agree with them.
[img.timeinc.net image 525x294]


--- "WAIT. What are those? Are they subtitles?"
 
2013-04-25 01:34:01 PM  
that guy is so full of chit his eyes are brown.
 
2013-04-25 01:34:48 PM  
Headline's proposition is interesting.  "You deserve rape" is crazier than "God hates f*gs."  Hmmm
 
2013-04-25 01:37:52 PM  
As has already been said...this guy's a grade-A troll. He'll make a million bucks selling his T-shirts, laugh all the way to the bank, and morans will hate him for his genius after being duped.
 
2013-04-25 01:37:56 PM  

mayIFark: Theaetetus: mayIFark: 
The argument is invalid anyway: you're analogizing a risky behavior with no benefit for performing and no loss for avoiding, such as "leaving your door unlocked", with a common behavior with benefits that are lost if the behavior is avoided, namely wearing attractive clothing, drinking in public, participating as a full member in society, etc.  In other words, even if the behavior increased the chance of being raped,you have to compare the risk to the potential benefit: there is no or only a negligible benefit to leaving your door unlocked, but there is a substantial benefit to public socializing. By leaving out that comparison, the argument is invalid.

You are right here, and I accept the difference. Did not occur to me that, there could be benefits of dressing that way. However, to me, if I were a girl, the risk would still out-weight the benefit. Binge eating can be a lot of fun (benefit), but you can die from it (risk). To me, I would not binge eat, because the risk out-weights the benefit here. Is it not the case for dressing as well? (again, I could be wrong)


Dressing attractively is also one of the primary ways to attract a mate. It's probably pretty tough to date in a burqa.
Some might say that that's not a big enough benefit, and that women should choose a lifetime of loneliness and celibacy (or arranged marriages) over the risk of rape. Some might also say purple monkey dishwasher. It's about as equally sane.
 
2013-04-25 01:38:01 PM  
As a woman I should probably be offended....but it's tough to be offended when I am laughing so hard at this guy....
/you deserve GRAPE!
 
2013-04-25 01:38:45 PM  
images.wikia.com
 
2013-04-25 01:38:56 PM  
pbs.twimg.com

Christ, what an asshole.
 
2013-04-25 01:39:12 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: Headline's proposition is interesting.  "You deserve rape" is crazier than "God hates f*gs."  Hmmm


Victim group cage fight!
 
2013-04-25 01:39:23 PM  

kwame: Theaetetus: consuming alcohol in public has substantial benefits

Logic problem detected.


How many Fark parties have you been to where everyone was sober, Kwame? I'mma go out on a limb and guess zero.

It's a common socialization behavior. Avoiding it makes you abnormal, which has a substantial penalty.
 
2013-04-25 01:39:25 PM  

alizeran: demaL-demaL-yeH: heypete: Hey, another Wildcat. Cool.

I always liked listening to Brother Jed while holding a "[citation needed]" sign. It gave me something to do in the afternoon in between classes and I got some fresh air.

Brother Jed farkin rocked. Did you ever see his holy roller 70's conversion van? I would cut classes to watch him and "sister cindy" (who was a "disco dancer") when I was in college at UCSB in the late 80's. Took me a while to realize he was for real.


No, I didn't see the van. Main reason I even noticed him in the first place is because the undergrads who gathered to mock him kept blocking the sidewalk. They've remodeled the area between the Union and Admin since then.
 
2013-04-25 01:40:01 PM  

Theaetetus: Theaetetus: mayIFark:

A better comparison would be car accidents. Driving a car makes you significantly more likely to be in a car accident. But driving a car has substantial benefits, and is pretty much a requirement for most of society.


Driving is essential, but if you say so is short dress up, I won't make sense to me, but that would explain the missing piece in my thought process.

If it is considered essential by most, sure.
 
2013-04-25 01:41:30 PM  

Theaetetus: A better comparison would be car accidents. Driving a car makes you significantly more likely to be in a car accident. But driving a car has substantial benefits, and is pretty much a requirement for most of society.


An even better comparison would be to just simply switch the gender roles in the scenario of rape. If I suddenly woke up tomorrow and were 5 times stronger than I currently am and went out and raped the first man who dressed provocatively (which would include any man at a gym, playing a sport, at the beach or in tight clubbing shirts/pants) would they be considered even remotely responsible for my behaviour? The whole "dressing provocatively" critique is something only applied to women since they are almost always the victims of rape due to biology and sexual dimorphism.

And blah blah blah to the usual Fark contingent who say a man can't be raped. If they imagine being overpowered and forced to do something by the most vile disgusting woman they can imagine, then they'll know that it wouldn't be something that would garner a "niceeeee".
 
2013-04-25 01:43:02 PM  
Gee, a adult male who is proud of his virginity is also angry at women who dress sexy.  I wonder where this is going....
 
2013-04-25 01:43:06 PM  

Theaetetus: How many Fark parties have you been to where everyone was sober, Kwame? I'mma go out on a limb and guess zero.


Additional problem detected.

I'm just splitting hairs in your conversation, but the problem is the claim that there are substantial benefits.  No doubt, alcohol is a social lubricant, but there are almost no benefits outside of that.  Actually there are no benefits outside of that at all.
 
2013-04-25 01:44:17 PM  

Theaetetus: It's a common socialization behavior. Avoiding it makes you abnormal, which has a substantial penalty.


Oh, and no.  Not in any way whatsoever unless you are a complete social misfit, in which case your behavior as a drunk is probably even worse.
 
2013-04-25 01:44:37 PM  

mayIFark: Theaetetus: Theaetetus: mayIFark:

A better comparison would be car accidents. Driving a car makes you significantly more likely to be in a car accident. But driving a car has substantial benefits, and is pretty much a requirement for most of society.

Driving is essential, but if you say so is short dress up, I won't make sense to me, but that would explain the missing piece in my thought process.

If it is considered essential by most, sure.


Let's flip it around: under your understanding, it adds a significant risk, but (you think) has no benefit. For this to be true, the person doing it would have to be an irrational actor, by definition.

Go to any bar or nightclub and count the ratio of women wearing short skirts to women not wearing short skirts. It's going to be quite high. Accordingly, for your understanding to be true, the vast majority of women have to be irrational actors.
Pithy and misogynist jokes aside, Occam's Razor would disagree that that's at all likely: it's more likely that your understanding on this one issue is incorrect than for millions of women to be per se insane.
 
2013-04-25 01:46:15 PM  
Christians have the Pope as the supreme leader, so you can blame all Christians for wackos, but you can't blame Muslims because they don't follow the Pope.

/I read fark, so I know stuff
 
2013-04-25 01:46:33 PM  
These preachers were a rarity in my college of 30 years ago, so when The Campus Crusade for Christ invited one a stage was setup next to the student Union building for his show. I and 2 friends went to see what was this big deal truth proclaimed in all of the fliers around campus. There were about 150 students standing with deer in the headlights stare at the jabbering fool. The 3 of us moved to the center front of the crowd and began laughing loudly as if we were watching a comedy act.  Preacher man was thrown off of his schtick and the crowd looked away, his spell was broken. He glared at us, we laughed as we waved goodbye and walked away. About 75% of the assembled crowd followed our cue and rejoined their lives of shiat to do besides listening to insane rantings of an attention whore.
 
2013-04-25 01:47:33 PM  

miss diminutive: Theaetetus: A better comparison would be car accidents. Driving a car makes you significantly more likely to be in a car accident. But driving a car has substantial benefits, and is pretty much a requirement for most of society.

An even better comparison would be to just simply switch the gender roles in the scenario of rape. If I suddenly woke up tomorrow and were 5 times stronger than I currently am and went out and raped the first man who dressed provocatively (which would include any man at a gym, playing a sport, at the beach or in tight clubbing shirts/pants) would they be considered even remotely responsible for my behaviour? The whole "dressing provocatively" critique is something only applied to women since they are almost always the victims of rape due to biology and sexual dimorphism.

And blah blah blah to the usual Fark contingent who say a man can't be raped. If they imagine being overpowered and forced to do something by the most vile disgusting woman they can imagine, then they'll know that it wouldn't be something that would garner a "niceeeee".


That's not even close to true. A study in the UK showed that 3% of adult males have experienced rape and 5% of females have.  When you include victims of childhood abuse the numbers are even.
 
2013-04-25 01:49:54 PM  

demaL-demaL-yeH: jso2897: orclover: These guys completely agree with them.
[img.timeinc.net image 525x294]

And these:
[i18.photobucket.com image 350x212]

Like I said - the Abrahamic faiths.

This just in: Fundies of all stripes do not reflect mainstream consensus.
/Next up: Local man tests water. Finds it wet.


I don't think so either - I'm just pointing out that the views the guy is expressing are legitimate expressions of his faith, and he has a right to express them. Not saying he's right.
 
2013-04-25 01:50:26 PM  

Prank Call of Cthulhu: [pbs.twimg.com image 480x640]

Christ, what an asshole.


Annnndn shocked....SHOCKED no one has posted this yet.


www.bundyology.com
 
2013-04-25 01:52:30 PM  
i34.tinypic.com
 
2013-04-25 01:53:34 PM  
What's amazing is that the University says this guy's first-amendment rights trump everything else. If he were a stupid, he would be kicked out of school for "creating a  hostile learning environment" and as such, he would be banned from campus. Why they can't ban this guy from campus just because he was never a student, I don't know.
 
2013-04-25 01:53:44 PM  

Egoy3k: miss diminutive: Theaetetus: A better comparison would be car accidents. Driving a car makes you significantly more likely to be in a car accident. But driving a car has substantial benefits, and is pretty much a requirement for most of society.

An even better comparison would be to just simply switch the gender roles in the scenario of rape. If I suddenly woke up tomorrow and were 5 times stronger than I currently am and went out and raped the first man who dressed provocatively (which would include any man at a gym, playing a sport, at the beach or in tight clubbing shirts/pants) would they be considered even remotely responsible for my behaviour? The whole "dressing provocatively" critique is something only applied to women since they are almost always the victims of rape due to biology and sexual dimorphism.

And blah blah blah to the usual Fark contingent who say a man can't be raped. If they imagine being overpowered and forced to do something by the most vile disgusting woman they can imagine, then they'll know that it wouldn't be something that would garner a "niceeeee".

That's not even close to true. A study in the UK showed that 3% of adult males have experienced rape and 5% of females have.  When you include victims of childhood abuse the numbers are even.


And the US Department of Justice said that 9 out of 10 rape victims were female. (according to 2003 data)

For children, 3 out of 4 were girls.

So unless something drastically changed in 10 years then something doesn't add up here.
 
2013-04-25 01:53:50 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2013-04-25 01:54:26 PM  

Egoy3k: A study in the UK showed that 3% of adult males have experienced rape and 5% of females have.


Got a link? Wiki links to this study, but it only mentions women.
Also, the study discounts non-violent assault, so I'd take it with a grain of sault.
 
2013-04-25 01:55:30 PM  

Diogenes: Same mentality you see in conservative Islam. Men can't keep it under control and in their pants, so the woman must conceal her body.

Sorry, your lack of control is your problem. Not another's


Umm...have you not been paying attention for the last 20-30 years or so? It's not just Islamic societies. Pretty much all of Western Civilization subscribes to the notion that responsibility is to be externalized and your lack of self-control makes you a "victim" of someone or something that needs to be stopped, usually by force of government. Think about how we've addressed a myriad of social issues: obesity ("It's the fast food restaurants' fault!"), smoking ("It's the evil tobacco companies' fault!"), poverty ("It's the greedy 1% rich peoples' fault!"), violence ("It's the NRA's fault!"), etc. The list goes on and on.

Yes, Islamic societies suck with regard to sexuality, but they don't have the market cornered on blaming others. Not by a long shot.
 
2013-04-25 01:55:46 PM  

Christian Bale: What's amazing is that the University says this guy's first-amendment rights trump everything else. If he were a stupid, he would be kicked out of school for "creating a  hostile learning environment" and as such, he would be banned from campus. Why they can't ban this guy from campus just because he was never a student, I don't know.


Universities usually offer a free speech area for anyone to come and protest, make a statement, etc.  All you have to do is submit a request in the manner they have outlined, and you can say anything you want provided it falls within the range of the first amendment.  That's what they're protecting.

And public universities are state property, so no one can be banned unless there is a pretty significant reason.
 
2013-04-25 01:57:11 PM  
It's totally fine for this guy to express his opinion in a public space with no fear that the university will try to shut him down.  It's also totally fine for any group of students that wishes to use the same space at the same time to have a "Me So Horny" dance party.
 
2013-04-25 01:57:22 PM  

RminusQ: Here's the thing. If someone were to take a lead pipe and beat the living snot out of this shiatbag, he would most certainly deserve it. And the person who did it would still be charged, convicted, and jailed for the offense. Why should rape be different?

I_Am_Weasel: He does have an exciting Twitter feed.

https://twitter.com/brodeanIV

and a blog

http://deansaxton.wordpress.com/

Fascinating stuff.

And by that I mean brain rattling derp.

As I said in the redlit thread, this word salad "FEMINISTS" image (right before "Virgin Pride" and "I'm a serial rapist" "Will you submit to me?" in the gallery) is truly inspired:
[pbs.twimg.com image 600x1064]


I have to congratulate whoever wrote that shirt. To have English as your second language with a bad case of Tourette's thrown in the mix is difficult to overcome--you can almost see a point in that shirt, and I'm sure as soon as he finishes therapy he'll be able to form coherent sentences.
 
2013-04-25 01:57:55 PM  
If I cross the street, do I deserve to get run over? If I go skydiving, do I deserve to die after a parachute malfunction? If I drive my car, do I deserve to wreck? If I swim, do I deserve to drown? No to all, right? What a farking idiot. Lets turn the tables on him: he's a man so he deserves to be castrated. He's a christian so he deserves to be killed by extremists. He's white so he deserves to be accosted by minorities. Just because you do something that makes a certain outcome slightly more likely doesn't mean you deserve that outcome. But I hope y'all know that already.
 
2013-04-25 01:58:01 PM  

kwame: the problem is the claim that there are substantial benefits.  No doubt, alcohol is a social lubricant.


E.g. a substantial benefit. Yes, I agree completely. Thank you.
 
2013-04-25 01:59:02 PM  
I get the feeling he likes to be held down or up against the wall when he's taking it from the guy he met at the rest area.

/as a gay man, I wouldn't mind being that man he cruises...
//mmmkkkayyy
 
2013-04-25 01:59:23 PM  
"I think if he's trying to, you know, get people to know God, I think he's just doing it wrong," said Paola Gonzalez

This applies to about 99% of evangelists these days.
 
2013-04-25 02:01:15 PM  

what_now: "It is free speech, but I still disagree that he should be able to call other people names and we can't call him names"


I don't know man, I think you can call him names. Call him whatever the fark you want.


Let's not call him anything, let's just ignore him.
 
2013-04-25 02:02:37 PM  

Theaetetus: mayIFark: Theaetetus: Theaetetus: mayIFark:

A better comparison would be car accidents. Driving a car makes you significantly more likely to be in a car accident. But driving a car has substantial benefits, and is pretty much a requirement for most of society.

Driving is essential, but if you say so is short dress up, I won't make sense to me, but that would explain the missing piece in my thought process.

If it is considered essential by most, sure.

Let's flip it around: under your understanding, it adds a significant risk, but (you think) has no benefit. For this to be true, the person doing it would have to be an irrational actor, by definition.

Go to any bar or nightclub and count the ratio of women wearing short skirts to women not wearing short skirts. It's going to be quite high. Accordingly, for your understanding to be true, the vast majority of women have to be irrational actors.
Pithy and misogynist jokes aside, Occam's Razor would disagree that that's at all likely: it's more likely that your understanding on this one issue is incorrect than for millions of women to be per se insane.


first off, I did not say, no benefit, but said, risk out-weights the benefit. There are several middle grounds between burqa and bikini, by the way.

Also, risk-benefit assessment is done by each person. And I already accept the fact that my assessment can be the outliar, yet entirely valid because my assessment is for me. No one needs to be insane for that.

So, basically, what you are saying is, "women who does these behavior considers that the benefit of it out-weights the risk of rape". True or false?

/By the way, since I have found the missing piece that I was looking for (thank you), I do not see any reason I need to continue on this.
 
2013-04-25 02:02:52 PM  

Mellotiger: If I cross the street, do I deserve to get run over? If I go skydiving, do I deserve to die after a parachute malfunction? If I drive my car, do I deserve to wreck? If I swim, do I deserve to drown? No to all, right? What a farking idiot. Lets turn the tables on him: he's a man so he deserves to be castrated. He's a christian so he deserves to be killed by extremists. He's white so he deserves to be accosted by minorities. Just because you do something that makes a certain outcome slightly more likely doesn't mean you deserve that outcome. But I hope y'all know that already.


Beyond that - we're all going to die. Do we all "deserve" death? There comes a point at which talking about what people "deserve" becomes an exercise in absurdity.
Inflicting evil deeds upon others cannot be excused by existential speculation about what they may or may not "deserve".
 
2013-04-25 02:03:24 PM  

Theaetetus: Egoy3k: A study in the UK showed that 3% of adult males have experienced rape and 5% of females have.

Got a link? Wiki links to this study, but it only mentions women.
Also, the study discounts non-violent assault, so I'd take it with a grain of sault.


Found it. It has some definition problems too - rape only includes penile penetration, so, for example, female perpetrators get a "N/A" in the tables.
 
2013-04-25 02:03:35 PM  

Christian Bale: What's amazing is that the University says this guy's first-amendment rights trump everything else. If he were a stupid STUDENT, he would be kicked out of school for "creating a  hostile learning environment" and as such, he would be banned from campus. Why they can't ban this guy from campus just because he was never a student, I don't know.


FTFM

LOL i am a stupid. I am banned from campus.
 
2013-04-25 02:04:24 PM  

zedster: Because People in power are Stupid: Oh yes, my alma mater replete with angry Mall preachers. (The grass strip between buildings is called "the Mall").

Oh Brother Jed, splits his time between UA in the winter and UW-Madison in the summer.
Lead to my friend always yelling "WHERE IS JESUS WHEN IT'S -10*?" when he passed him.

Once asked him what his shirt was made of, he said "polyester and cotton." I told him he wore a tunic made of two cloth and the bible said I must stone him to death. He flipped the fark out saying that part of the bible didn't apply to him, it was fun


Oh, that takes me back to my college days. I farking loved heckling Brother Jed.
 
2013-04-25 02:05:15 PM  
This is why you don't let Redditors go outside.
 
2013-04-25 02:05:19 PM  

mayIFark: So, basically, what you are saying is, "women who does these behavior considers that the benefit of it out-weights the risk of rape". True or false?


Yes, in the same way that "people who drive cars consider that the benefits of doing so outweighs the risk of car accidents". In other words, true, and I believe they're absolutely right.
 
2013-04-25 02:06:41 PM  

jso2897: demaL-demaL-yeH: jso2897: orclover: These guys completely agree with them.
[img.timeinc.net image 525x294]

And these:
[i18.photobucket.com image 350x212]
Like I said - the Abrahamic faiths.

This just in: Fundies of all stripes do not reflect mainstream consensus.
/Next up: Local man tests water. Finds it wet.

I don't think so either - I'm just pointing out that the views the guy is expressing are legitimate expressions of his faith, and he has a right to express them. Not saying he's right.


There's a very strong consensus about abortion among Jews that goes back a couple of thousand years: Mandatory to save the life of the woman.
 
2013-04-25 02:11:27 PM  

miss diminutive: And the US Department of Justice said that 9 out of 10 rape victims were female. (according to 2003 data)

For children, 3 out of 4 were girls.

So unless something drastically changed in 10 years then something doesn't add up here.


Sorry i won't look up rape statistics while I'm at work. I may be wrong, and if I am I'm sorry but even using your numbers 10% and 25% do not constitute 'almost always' IMHO. I fully concede that men are by far almost always the perpetrators of rape and even violence but men can be victims too and are already disadvantaged when compared to female victims because society doesn't take them seriously. I don't think they should be brushed aside casually.
 
2013-04-25 02:12:02 PM  
Was anyone else expecting the black hooded guy with the crazy eyes?
 
2013-04-25 02:15:40 PM  

Theaetetus: kwame: the problem is the claim that there are substantial benefits.  No doubt, alcohol is a social lubricant.

E.g. a substantial benefit. Yes, I agree completely. Thank you.


So you're going to drop the physiological benefits claim and you're going to ignore that you claimed multiple benefits just so you can look like you were right?
 
2013-04-25 02:15:47 PM  

Diogenes: Same mentality you see in conservative Islam.  Men can't keep it under control and in their pants, so the woman must conceal her body.

Sorry, your lack of control is your problem.  Not another's.


Tell that to the insurance company when you leave your keys in your car and leave the doors unlocked and it gets stolen. "Hey, their lack of control isn't MY problem!"
 
2013-04-25 02:17:26 PM  

Albert911emt: His face is punchable for so many different reasons, I'll need some new fangled technology to count them all.


Like a punchometer?
 
2013-04-25 02:19:19 PM  

MonoChango: I think the heat bakes some peoples minds.


This is the theory of my dissertation for anthro class.  Heat causes crazy.
 
2013-04-25 02:19:53 PM  

ChipNASA: timujin: oldernell: OK by me as long as he is the rapee.

I have to say, were he raped, I wouldn't feel the least bit bad.  I would probably chortle a bit.

I said with his sign.....
[media.azw.s3.amazonaws.com image 500x333]
No problem. SOMEBODY should Rape Him. He's just *asking* for it. He's apparently offering. (i.e "Rape" is a verb, you deserve to be able to rape, or have rape or "get your rape on"....ergo......"COME AT ME BRO!!!!"


Well, of course! Look how he's dressed! No head covering, and bare arms! Damn right he's asking for it!
 
2013-04-25 02:21:08 PM  

RminusQ: Here's the thing. If someone were to take a lead pipe and beat the living snot out of this shiatbag, he would most certainly deserve it. And the person who did it would still be charged, convicted, and jailed for the offense. Why should rape be different?

I_Am_Weasel: He does have an exciting Twitter feed.

https://twitter.com/brodeanIV

and a blog

http://deansaxton.wordpress.com/

Fascinating stuff.

And by that I mean brain rattling derp.

As I said in the redlit thread, this word salad "FEMINISTS" image (right before "Virgin Pride" and "I'm a serial rapist" "Will you submit to me?" in the gallery) is truly inspired:
[pbs.twimg.com image 600x1064]


Weaker vessel my ass.  I dare him to get in my face and say that.

Go ahead, I need to beat someone today.
 
2013-04-25 02:21:30 PM  

kwame: Theaetetus


It's real difficult to decide here.
Theaetetus, an attorney, and kwame are fighting over social misfits and abnormality in a thread about an asshat UofA undergrad philosophy major who seems to be advertising his entrepreneurial offensive t-shirt business.

Who to mock first, fark?
 
2013-04-25 02:22:37 PM  
Now hold on you guys Imma let you finish, but "STOP THE PICNIC APES" is the craziest sign of all time. OF ALL TIME!!!!
 
2013-04-25 02:23:11 PM  

demaL-demaL-yeH: kwame: Theaetetus

It's real difficult to decide here.
Theaetetus, an attorney, and kwame are fighting over social misfits and abnormality in a thread about an asshat UofA undergrad philosophy major who seems to be advertising his entrepreneurial offensive t-shirt business.

Who to mock first, fark?


Mock them all, and let Reddit sort them out.
 
2013-04-25 02:23:38 PM  
Wait...so he's saying that any woman that dresses like a whore deserves to be raped?

Whores just automatically deserve to be raped, because they're whores?

What?

Show me in the Bible where Jesus says it's okay to rape whores.

I don't normally advocate anybody being raped, but this guy might need it, just once, so he'll understand just how horrible of a human being he is.
 
2013-04-25 02:25:38 PM  

Archie Goodwin: I think he has sermon to be at in 26 minutes.


zedster: Once asked him what his shirt was made of, he said "polyester and cotton." I told him he wore a tunic made of two cloth and the bible said I must stone him to death. He flipped the fark out saying that part of the bible didn't apply to him, it was fun

Typical. Farking. Hypocrite.


farm4.staticflickr.com2.bp.blogspot.com
Just don't ask him about the shrimp.
 
2013-04-25 02:27:27 PM  

BillDozer357: I know it's stupid-simple, but I can't help but chuckle at the "You Deserve Grape" sign.


In the mouth?
 
2013-04-25 02:27:32 PM  

demaL-demaL-yeH: Who to mock first, fark?


How about the asshat working on a third Fark handle?
 
2013-04-25 02:28:23 PM  

RminusQ: Here's the thing. If someone were to take a lead pipe and beat the living snot out of this shiatbag, he would most certainly deserve it. And the person who did it would still be charged, convicted, and jailed for the offense. Why should rape be different?



And he would bear some responsibility for getting his ass beat, because he put himself in a position for it to happen.

Look, if I leave 10 grand in cash on the front seat of my car and the window down, and someone walks off with it, they committed a crime, but it would still be correct to point out that my stupidity was a contributing factor.

Likewise, if you get so drunk you pass out, underage, at a party full of strangers and someone does something unpleasant to you, they did the act and should be punished, but it's still not unreasonable to say your stupidity was a contributing factor.

It doesn't excuse the criminal by any means at all, but it does provide some context to the crime.

/"he needed beating, your honor" would be acceptable for this douchebag
 
2013-04-25 02:28:24 PM  

miss diminutive: If they imagine being overpowered and forced to do something by the most vile disgusting woman they can imagine, then they'll know that it wouldn't be something that would garner a "niceeeee".



that's really funny, since i'm on all fours right now, looking over my shoulder with a pleading, pouty expression, my proud loins awaiting your furious punishment.  I been bad, momma.  I been very, very baaaad.
 
2013-04-25 02:28:44 PM  

Diogenes: Same mentality you see in conservative Islam.  Men can't keep it under control and in their pants, so the woman must conceal her body.

Sorry, your lack of control is your problem.  Not another's.


QFT.
 
2013-04-25 02:29:51 PM  

kwame: demaL-demaL-yeH: Who to mock first, fark?

How about the asshat working on a third Fark handle?


What, pray tell, are you talking about?
 
2013-04-25 02:30:20 PM  

Kibbler: An eye for eye just gives us a world where everyone is blind.


Except for the last guy.

/I love Christ. It's just that so many of you Christians are so unlike Christ.  Gandhi
 
2013-04-25 02:30:34 PM  
In the days when men actually gave a shiat about women this twit would have been beaten half to death within minutes of pulling this stunt.  Y'all a bunch of enablers for supporting his right to be a jerk.
 
2013-04-25 02:33:35 PM  

Joshie: Wait.

*squints at him*

Uh.

That dude's gay. He isn't handling it particularly well, but he is.


pbs.twimg.com

cdn.popdust.com

Broke my gayday, anyway. Is this where I post that 4 out of 5 homophobes say they hate loooooove the D?
 
2013-04-25 02:35:50 PM  

demaL-demaL-yeH: jso2897: demaL-demaL-yeH: jso2897: orclover: These guys completely agree with them.
[img.timeinc.net image 525x294]

And these:
[i18.photobucket.com image 350x212]
Like I said - the Abrahamic faiths.

This just in: Fundies of all stripes do not reflect mainstream consensus.
/Next up: Local man tests water. Finds it wet.

I don't think so either - I'm just pointing out that the views the guy is expressing are legitimate expressions of his faith, and he has a right to express them. Not saying he's right.

There's a very strong consensus about abortion among Jews that goes back a couple of thousand years: Mandatory to save the life of the woman.


So what? Why are you arguing this pointless "point" with me? It was just a picture of some very fundamentalist Jews - the signs they happen to be carrying had NOTHING to do with my point - namely, that the fundamentalist extremists of all branches of Abrahamism have similar attitudes toward women, be they Muslim, Christian, or Jew.
 
2013-04-25 02:36:09 PM  
"I think if he's trying to, you know, get people to know God, I think he's just doing it wrong," said Paola Gonzalez, a pre-pharmacy sophomore.

Well, if the shoe fits... When you read the Bible, I'd say this guy is actually in pretty good synch with the character of God.
 
2013-04-25 02:36:23 PM  

Egoy3k: miss diminutive: And the US Department of Justice said that 9 out of 10 rape victims were female. (according to 2003 data)

For children, 3 out of 4 were girls.

So unless something drastically changed in 10 years then something doesn't add up here.

Sorry i won't look up rape statistics while I'm at work. I may be wrong, and if I am I'm sorry but even using your numbers 10% and 25% do not constitute 'almost always' IMHO. I fully concede that men are by far almost always the perpetrators of rape and even violence but men can be victims too and are already disadvantaged when compared to female victims because society doesn't take them seriously. I don't think they should be brushed aside casually.


I never said men couldn't be victims of rape. In fact I specifically called out those who said that they couldn't be. I said that the majority of rape victims are women, which is accurate. These aren't my numbers, they're the US government's. "Almost always" is a subjective and loaded term, I'll admit, but it's an incredibly high proportion. They say 9 out of 10, which is a majority no matter how you slice it.

Even if the numbers were equal, the fact that male behaviour or wardrobe isn't even discussed when referencing male victims of sexual assault only strengthens my point.
 
2013-04-25 02:38:56 PM  

ciberido: Albert911emt: His face is punchable for so many different reasons, I'll need some new fangled technology to count them all.

Like a punchometer?


Probably made by ACME....inspected and certified by Wile E. Coyote, Super Genius
 
2013-04-25 02:42:44 PM  

CapeFearCadaver: brap: Every campus seems have one of these pay attention to me morans that say the derpiest thing they can to get a bit of attention.   And they always have a huge crowd.

Hell every fark thead seems to have one of these pay attention to me morans that say the derpiest thing they can to get a bit of attention.

I don't think either of these shirts will help a brother get laid:

[pbs.twimg.com image 478x846]

[pbs.twimg.com image 480x640] [Virgin Pride]


I think wearing a shirt advertising that you haven't had sex is strange, but it turns out that the people who say you should wait for your wedding night are right. I didn't and now her family won't talk to me. Turns out when the minister says "You may kiss" he expects you to stop with kissing - not go farther.

/Her grandmother had some excellent suggestions, though.
 
2013-04-25 02:44:42 PM  
I seem to have a bad habit of responding to the wrong people. It's probably my own fault for dignifying things with a response that I shouldn't.
 
2013-04-25 02:45:05 PM  

zobear: Kibbler: An eye for eye just gives us a world where everyone is blind.

Except for the last guy.

/I love Christ. It's just that so many of you Christians are so unlike Christ.  Gandhi


In the land of the blind, the one eyed man is king!

/if everyone was blind we couldn't blame rape on the victim's attire
//probably blame the perp's clumsiness instead
///I'm accidently inside you
 
2013-04-25 02:46:18 PM  

what_now: "It is free speech, but I still disagree that he should be able to call other people names and we can't call him names"


I don't know man, I think you can call him names. Call him whatever the fark you want.


Oh he ugly.
 
2013-04-25 02:47:29 PM  
Another UA grad piping in with my two cents...

It's gotten to the point where I hate to click anything labeled Arizona because it's always an awful story. There was a piece on 60 minutes a few weeks ago about a 16-year-old black boy who was railroaded for a fatal fire that happened in Tucson in 1970. He just got out of prison a couple of weeks ago, but not before they made him please no contest so he can't turn around and sue them for a false 42-year imprisonment.

Living in Southern AZ, I used to tell myself that at least I wasn't in Maricopa County. Now it's gotten to the point where I can't tell a difference between Southern AZ and the rest of this awful state. I have to get out of here.
 
2013-04-25 02:47:47 PM  

gunga galunga: Oh, that takes me back to my college days. I farking loved heckling Brother Jed.


which campus?
 
2013-04-25 02:49:01 PM  
We had these idiots of course at Michigan while I was there, I've always wondered what motivates them?  I mean directed at a proper isuue imagine the force they would bring to a cause?  My first thoughts have always been, how is somebody making money off this idiot being here, surely it's not him, but without cash as a motivator, you rarely see this kind of fanatacism.  With the two obvious exceptions being sports teams fans and whatever cutesy boy is the hot music idol of the week.  The money incentives for those are obvious.  But if there isn't a payoff going on somewhere for this guys actions, just think of the amount of energy he could contribute to say an anti-war protest or some sort of health issue, like walking a 60 miler, everyday. Even taking his need for attention into account, surely he could do some good as sort of a devils advocate, like protesting to get people not to vote.
 
2013-04-25 02:49:55 PM  

StrandedInAZ: Another UA grad piping in with my two cents...

It's gotten to the point where I hate to click anything labeled Arizona because it's always an awful story. There was a piece on 60 minutes a few weeks ago about a 16-year-old black boy who was railroaded for a fatal fire that happened in Tucson in 1970. He just got out of prison a couple of weeks ago, but not before they made him please no contest so he can't turn around and sue them for a false 42-year imprisonment.

Living in Southern AZ, I used to tell myself that at least I wasn't in Maricopa County. Now it's gotten to the point where I can't tell a difference between Southern AZ and the rest of this awful state. I have to get out of here.


Move to Jerome, or Sedona. Hang out with the Dinei. Stick to the open country - there's a lot of cool stuff in your state, and a few cool people. Be selective.
 
2013-04-25 02:51:15 PM  

BillDozer357: I know it's stupid-simple, but I can't help but chuckle at the "You Deserve Grape" sign.


I thought this, too.  It made me giggle.
 
2013-04-25 02:53:24 PM  

hockeychick: RminusQ: Here's the thing. If someone were to take a lead pipe and beat the living snot out of this shiatbag, he would most certainly deserve it. And the person who did it would still be charged, convicted, and jailed for the offense. Why should rape be different?

I_Am_Weasel: He does have an exciting Twitter feed.

https://twitter.com/brodeanIV

and a blog

http://deansaxton.wordpress.com/

Fascinating stuff.

And by that I mean brain rattling derp.

As I said in the redlit thread, this word salad "FEMINISTS" image (right before "Virgin Pride" and "I'm a serial rapist" "Will you submit to me?" in the gallery) is truly inspired:
[pbs.twimg.com image 600x1064]

Weaker vessel my ass.  I dare him to get in my face and say that.

Go ahead, I need to beat someone today.


I'm available, what did you have in mind?
 
2013-04-25 02:57:26 PM  
How positively Christian of him.
 
2013-04-25 02:57:39 PM  
Geez, it's been years since I've been to the ASU, and the last time I was there I didn't saw any douchebags like this guy.

/Not from ASU, though
//I'm an Owl :D
 
2013-04-25 02:58:29 PM  

brap: Every campus seems have one of these pay attention to me morans that say the derpiest thing they can to get a bit of attention.   And they always have a huge crowd.



Yeah, I was just about to ask that.  I went to IU in the 90s and we had one of these guys.  I think his name was Brother Dave. .
 
2013-04-25 02:59:13 PM  
So, if this guy were to get raped by a big biker type (I am not suggesting or condoning it - but let's say it happened by random chance), would I be a bad person for finding schadenfreude in this act?
 
2013-04-25 02:59:37 PM  
I need to see pictures of women dressed like slutty whores in order to determine if this butt-twang is right or not.
 
2013-04-25 03:00:44 PM  
He's so deep in the closet he can see Narnia.
 
2013-04-25 03:00:52 PM  
Is it some sort of federal requirement that every college campus in the U.S. have one of these guys?

/Over at my alma mater, UIUC, he goes by the name Preacher Dan.
//Just as big a douche as this guy, too.
 
2013-04-25 03:02:21 PM  

CygnusDarius: Geez, it's been years since I've been to the ASU, and the last time I was there I didn't saw any douchebags like this guy.

/Not from ASU, though
//I'm an Owl :D


No, you're a swan.
Sawing douchebags would tend to get messy.
 
2013-04-25 03:09:22 PM  

ChipNASA: The My Little Pony Killer: BillDozer357: I know it's stupid-simple, but I can't help but chuckle at the "You Deserve Grape" sign.

It's the shiat-eating grin on the face of the guy holding it.  I can't help but smile back at him.

It would be HELLA FUNNY if he was wearing THIS...

[genedoe.files.wordpress.com image 350x350]


NSFW LINK - Graped in the mouth!
 
2013-04-25 03:09:49 PM  

Diogenes: Same mentality you see in conservative Islam.  Men can't keep it under control and in their pants, so the woman must conceal her body.

Sorry, your lack of control is your problem.  Not another's.


That's relevant for assigning blame after the fact, does absolutely nothing for prevention.

"Hey motorcycle guy, why didn't you stop for that car?"
"Because I had the right of way.  It was his fault."
"You're in the hospital in a full-body cast.  He got a busted fender."
"... but I had the right of way."
 
2013-04-25 03:10:58 PM  
I'm of two schools of thought here.

Blaming a woman's choice in attire for her rape is like blaming a rich man's walking drunk through Harlem at 1 AM for his mugging.

also...

I want to walk up to him and say, "Dress provocatively: get raped:: carry provocative signs: a punch in the nose,"

..and let fly.
 
2013-04-25 03:11:00 PM  
To paraphrase Dave Chappelle, "Dressing that way does NOT make you a whore... but you are wearing a whore's uniform"
 
2013-04-25 03:12:01 PM  

demaL-demaL-yeH: CygnusDarius: Geez, it's been years since I've been to the ASU, and the last time I was there I didn't saw any douchebags like this guy.

/Not from ASU, though
//I'm an Owl :D

No, you're a swan.
Sawing douchebags would tend to get messy.


You're always gonna have problems lifting a douchebag in one piece. Apparently the best thing to do is cut up a corpse into six pieces and pile it all together.

And when you got your six pieces, you gotta get rid of them, because it's no good leaving it in the deep freeze for your mum to discover, now is it? Then I hear the best thing to do is feed them to pigs. You got to starve the pigs for a few days, then the sight of a chopped-up body will look like curry to a pisshead. You gotta shave the heads of your victims, and pull the teeth out for the sake of the piggies' digestion. You could do this afterwards, of course, but you don't want to go sievin' through pig shiat, now do you? They will go through bone like butter. You need at least sixteen pigs to finish the job in one sitting, so be wary of any man who keeps a pig farm. They will go through a body that weighs 200 pounds in about eight minutes. That means that a single pig can consume two pounds of uncooked flesh every minute. Hence the expression, "as greedy as a pig".
 
2013-04-25 03:15:40 PM  

CygnusDarius: demaL-demaL-yeH: CygnusDarius: Geez, it's been years since I've been to the ASU, and the last time I was there I didn't saw any douchebags like this guy.

/Not from ASU, though
//I'm an Owl :D

No, you're a swan.
Sawing douchebags would tend to get messy.

You're always gonna have problems lifting a douchebag in one piece. Apparently the best thing to do is cut up a corpse into six pieces and pile it all together.

And when you got your six pieces, you gotta get rid of them, because it's no good leaving it in the deep freeze for your mum to discover, now is it? Then I hear the best thing to do is feed them to pigs. You got to starve the pigs for a few days, then the sight of a chopped-up body will look like curry to a pisshead. You gotta shave the heads of your victims, and pull the teeth out for the sake of the piggies' digestion. You could do this afterwards, of course, but you don't want to go sievin' through pig shiat, now do you? They will go through bone like butter. You need at least sixteen pigs to finish the job in one sitting, so be wary of any man who keeps a pig farm. They will go through a body that weighs 200 pounds in about eight minutes. That means that a single pig can consume two pounds of uncooked flesh every minute. Hence the expression, "as greedy as a pig".


Umm......... so you're saying it was too hot out for you to saw douchebags on the ASU campus?
 
2013-04-25 03:15:59 PM  
By his logic, attractive women "deserve rape" more so than unattractive women, regardless of how they're dressed.
 
2013-04-25 03:19:47 PM  
I would love to see the "she was asking for it" defense get used in other criminal cases:

"He was rich in a bad area of town, he practically had 'rob me' written all over him! I tried to walk the straight and narrow, but comeon, he was wearing a Breitling watch! What was I supposed to do?"

"He left a Honda Accord unlocked! Really? The most stolen car in America? It would have been lame Not to steal it! If he didn't want it stolen, he should drive a different car!"

/Just because a crime was easy or attractive, doesn't make it any less of a crime. The victim can't be held responsible for the criminal's lack of self control.
 
2013-04-25 03:20:38 PM  

demaL-demaL-yeH: Umm......... so you're saying it was too hot out for you to saw douchebags on the ASU campus?


Well, Phoenix is not so close to the beach as Hermosillo, and I know no pig farms in Phoenix, so there.

/And why am I a Swan?
 
2013-04-25 03:21:08 PM  

Christian Bale: What's amazing is that the University says this guy's first-amendment rights trump everything else. If he were a stupid, he would be kicked out of school for "creating a  hostile learning environment" and as such, he would be banned from campus. Why they can't ban this guy from campus just because he was never a student, I don't know.


Universities have a history of supporting a certain amount of free speech zones. Not sure how far back this went, but certainly to 60s and 70s. Probably gained steam around the kent state murders.

as to the "just ignore them", "dont give them any attention" ....
I worry about that mindset. How much evil has been done in the world because some asshole didnt get paid enough attention until it was too late?
It can be a nasty catch-22.
 
2013-04-25 03:21:46 PM  

Private_Citizen: I would love to see the "she was asking for it" defense get used in other criminal cases:

"He was rich in a bad area of town, he practically had 'rob me' written all over him! I tried to walk the straight and narrow, but comeon, he was wearing a Breitling watch! What was I supposed to do?"

"He left a Honda Accord unlocked! Really? The most stolen car in America? It would have been lame Not to steal it! If he didn't want it stolen, he should drive a different car!"

/Just because a crime was easy or attractive, doesn't make it any less of a crime. The victim can't be held responsible for the criminal's lack of self control.


THIS
PERIOD
 
2013-04-25 03:23:53 PM  
We had one of these guys where I went to school.  His deal was white power and racism.  Sometimes these things have a way of sorting themselves out.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthew_F._Hale

Ironically, as loud as he was when handing out flyers, he was as quiet as a bug in all of the classes I had with him.
 
2013-04-25 03:27:57 PM  

mayIFark: This is one topic that confuses me: I absolutely believe that it is not the woman's fault regardless of how dresses or acts or drinks or whatever.
...
Now, I don't know for sure, if any of those behavior actually increases the chance or not. If it does not, the whole argument is invalid.


It's certainly a fair question.  The answer likely lies in the fact that rapists (at least the random stranger kind) tend to focus on opportunity, vulnerability of the victim, and the violent impulse that takes over.  Looks really don't have anything to do with it.  I doubt an ugly woman is statistically any safer walking down a dangerous street than a pretty one.

Rapists see women as objects of anger, hate, or resentment.  Rape is an expression of that negativity and doesn't really have much to do with actual physical attraction.

While it may be true that a perceived sexual availability may be a risk factor in sexual assault by an acquaintance, I doubt that even in those cases it's the primary motivator.  There are underlying behaviours and attitudes on the part of the offender that I suspect would put "how she was dressed" completely out of any relevance in determining a motive or impetus for rape.

That dirty little perv-voice that pops in our heads when we see a hot girl in tight clothes is different from the ever-present rage that simmers in a rapist.  Just the presence of the victim is all the trigger that's required, regardless of looks.

In short, I think it's unlikely that women would be at any meaningfully higher risk of sexual assault from their day-to-day choice of clothing or appearance.
 
2013-04-25 03:28:54 PM  

Private_Citizen: I would love to see the "she was asking for it" defense get used in other criminal cases:

"He was rich in a bad area of town, he practically had 'rob me' written all over him! I tried to walk the straight and narrow, but comeon, he was wearing a Breitling watch! What was I supposed to do?"

"He left a Honda Accord unlocked! Really? The most stolen car in America? It would have been lame Not to steal it! If he didn't want it stolen, he should drive a different car!"

/Just because a crime was easy or attractive, doesn't make it any less of a crime. The victim can't be held responsible for the criminal's lack of self control.


He may have been too drunk to speak, but he very clearly said it was OK if I emptied his wallet and bank account. Clearly, he's having second thoughts about his giving nature; why should I be made to suffer because he regrets giving me a gift?

// some richers rob easy
 
2013-04-25 03:32:34 PM  
This makes me sad. I can't get angry about this shiat anymore - it's bloody exhausting. I don't think I'd have the strength to try to reason with him. I am, however, happily imagining myself following him eveywhere, holding a sign that reads, "This guy is an asshole."
 
2013-04-25 03:33:24 PM  

kwame: Theaetetus: kwame: the problem is the claim that there are substantial benefits.  No doubt, alcohol is a social lubricant.

E.g. a substantial benefit. Yes, I agree completely. Thank you.

So you're going to drop the physiological benefits claim and you're going to ignore that you claimed multiple benefits just so you can look like you were right?


You already agreed that I was right. Not sure what you're still arguing about.

/[control-f] "physiological"...  really have no idea what you're still arguing about
 
2013-04-25 03:33:30 PM  

JNowe: That's relevant for assigning blame after the fact, does absolutely nothing for prevention.

"Hey motorcycle guy, why didn't you stop for that car?"
"Because I had the right of way.  It was his fault."
"You're in the hospital in a full-body cast.  He got a busted fender."
"... but I had the right of way."


Nope.  The correct metaphor would be:

"Hey motorcycle guy, why weren't you able to flee from that car that was deliberately trying to hit you?"

Defensive driving won't protect you from being intentionally smashed-into.
 
2013-04-25 03:35:30 PM  
Religion: letting the hateful and stupid hide behind the skits of their god.
 
2013-04-25 03:37:38 PM  

Christian Bale: What's amazing is that the University says this guy's first-amendment rights trump everything else. If he were a stupid, he would be kicked out of school for "creating a  hostile learning environment" and as such, he would be banned from campus. Why they can't ban this guy from campus just because he was never a student, I don't know.


Mall is a public forum, government property designated for public expression. The school could expel a student but still could not ban the former student from using the forum.  A private school might be able to ban objectionable speakers.
 
2013-04-25 03:37:46 PM  

JNowe: Diogenes: Same mentality you see in conservative Islam.  Men can't keep it under control and in their pants, so the woman must conceal her body.

Sorry, your lack of control is your problem.  Not another's.

That's relevant for assigning blame after the fact, does absolutely nothing for prevention.

"Hey motorcycle guy, why didn't you stop for that car?"
"Because I had the right of way.  It was his fault."
"You're in the hospital in a full-body cast.  He got a busted fender."
"... but I had the right of way."


"Mr Dent, do you have any idea how much damage this bulldozer will sustain if I just let it run over you?"
"How much?"
"None at all."
 
2013-04-25 03:38:42 PM  
It's always amusing to me that college educated adults don't get the simplest of concepts like free speech.
 
2013-04-25 03:38:46 PM  
The school is wrong; his words aren't protected. They incite a lawless/illegal action, and fall under the "fighting words" portion of the unprotected speech.
 
2013-04-25 03:41:27 PM  

CygnusDarius: demaL-demaL-yeH: Umm......... so you're saying it was too hot out for you to saw douchebags on the ASU campus?

Well, Phoenix is not so close to the beach as Hermosillo, and I know no pig farms in Phoenix, so there.

/And why am I a Swan?


Cygnus. Please.
 
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2013-04-25 03:43:06 PM  
pbs.twimg.com

The irony is that when he dies, Jesus will have that EXACT same sign and the EXACT same facial expression!
 
2013-04-25 03:43:40 PM  
That guy is sooooo far into the closet he's dancing with Mr. Tumnus.
 
2013-04-25 03:44:15 PM  
Here's the problem that I have with these "rape culture" arguments:

If a Klan member went into Harlem spouting his nonsense and got the shiat kicked out of him, we'd all say he was a moron and deserved it.

If a person went into a bar and spent all night mocking a clearly larger person and got the shiat kicked out of himself, we'd all say he was a moron and deserved it.

If a person got stinking drunk and loudly wandered around a bad area of town at 2:00 a.m. with visible money sticking out of his pocket and got robbed and had the shiat kicked out of him, we'd all say he was a moron and deserved it.

But point out that a female should avoid getting shiat-face drunk around a bunch of strange men . . . .

There IS such a thing as assumption of risk.  This by no means excuses a criminal, but why would you intentionally put yourself into a bad or dangerous situation?  Do you lock your doors at night before you go to bed?  How about locking your car when you walk away from it?  You do these things because it's dangerous not to do them.  Why would you then decide that it's a great idea to get plastered around a bunch of drunk strangers and hope that things will work out in the end?
 
2013-04-25 03:45:16 PM  

Because People in power are Stupid: Oh yes, my alma mater replete with angry Mall preachers. (The grass strip between buildings is called "the Mall").

Once I was confronted by a group of roving Christians:

Me- "How does anyone know for certain that God  exists?"
Head Pastor -"If you pray to God he will make himself known to you"
Me - grasps hands and prays "Dear Jesus, please let yourself be known to me for truth is more important than ignorance"
The group of roving x-tians look at me with their eyes wide. They were expecting a miracle.
Me -shrugs "Nope"


I dunno. Things have fallen off since Yeshua 666 stopped preaching. Commitment is getting 666 tattooed to your forehead before you embark on a career of yelling incoherently at bemused students.
 
2013-04-25 03:46:48 PM  

Theaetetus: /[control-f] "physiological"... really have no idea what you're still arguing about


Because the moderator deleted both your and my posts about it.

It's nice to see they still arbitrarily enforce rules when they feel like it.
 
2013-04-25 03:47:10 PM  
This may sound offensive but I do believe there are different "levels" of rape.

There's the kind where a man attacks a random woman on a sidewalk at night and forces himself upon her.

Then there is the kind where a sorority girl dresses like a slut, gets drunk at a frat party doing jell-o shots off a guy's chest, and then says she had non-consensual sex in his bedroom. Is she still a victim? Perhaps, but there is definitely more to the story.
 
2013-04-25 03:47:38 PM  

magicgoo:

The school is wrong; his words aren't protected. They incite a lawless/illegal action, and fall under the "fighting words" portion of the unprotected speech.

If that were true saying you deserve to get kicked in the nuts would not be free speech.


Surely you understand the different between "incite" and "comment on" if you are going to be calling out a university as being wrong.

 
2013-04-25 03:48:00 PM  

DeathCipris: ChipNASA: The My Little Pony Killer: BillDozer357: I know it's stupid-simple, but I can't help but chuckle at the "You Deserve Grape" sign.

It's the shiat-eating grin on the face of the guy holding it.  I can't help but smile back at him.

It would be HELLA FUNNY if he was wearing THIS...

[genedoe.files.wordpress.com image 350x350]

NSFW LINK - Graped in the mouth!


That's why consensus is a bad thing.
 
2013-04-25 03:49:25 PM  
BillDozer357:
I know it's stupid-simple, but I can't help but chuckle at the "You Deserve Grape" sign.

I would go and buy a bunch of tape, and stand beside him offering pieces of it to passersby.  "You deserve tape!"  Make it into a competition.

... except that this isn't at all funny and telling women they deserve rape for how they dress is hate speech: the equivalent of telling gays they deserve to be bashed if they act flouncy.  Here in Canada this guy could be arrested for promoting violence (rape) against an identifiable group (women).
 
2013-04-25 03:49:58 PM  

jackrazz: Here's the problem that I have with these "rape culture" arguments:

If a Klan member went into Harlem spouting his nonsense and got the shiat kicked out of him, we'd all say he was a moron and deserved it.

If a person went into a bar and spent all night mocking a clearly larger person and got the shiat kicked out of himself, we'd all say he was a moron and deserved it.

If a person got stinking drunk and loudly wandered around a bad area of town at 2:00 a.m. with visible money sticking out of his pocket and got robbed and had the shiat kicked out of him, we'd all say he was a moron and deserved it.

But point out that a female should avoid getting shiat-face drunk around a bunch of strange men . . . .

There IS such a thing as assumption of risk.  This by no means excuses a criminal, but why would you intentionally put yourself into a bad or dangerous situation?  Do you lock your doors at night before you go to bed?  How about locking your car when you walk away from it?  You do these things because it's dangerous not to do them.  Why would you then decide that it's a great idea to get plastered around a bunch of drunk strangers and hope that things will work out in the end?


The problem I have with the "it's all the guy's fault" thing is that it limits women's ability to avoid getting raped.
 
2013-04-25 03:50:04 PM  

zedster: Because People in power are Stupid: Oh yes, my alma mater replete with angry Mall preachers. (The grass strip between buildings is called "the Mall").

Oh Brother Jed, splits his time between UA in the winter and UW-Madison in the summer.
Lead to my friend always yelling "WHERE IS JESUS WHEN IT'S -10*?" when he passed him.

Once asked him what his shirt was made of, he said "polyester and cotton." I told him he wore a tunic made of two cloth and the bible said I must stone him to death. He flipped the fark out saying that part of the bible didn't apply to him, it was fun


I think this is the guy who was on my campus once yelling about how homos are going to hell. A lesbian punched him in the face. It was awesome.
 
2013-04-25 03:50:57 PM  
I liked you so much when you were playing for University of Florida - I guess when you've got bad mechanics you end up at the University of Arizona.

Wait, is this the right guy?
 
2013-04-25 03:51:30 PM  
What's his Fark handle?
 
2013-04-25 03:52:03 PM  

Because People in power are Stupid: Oh yes, my alma mater replete with angry Mall preachers. (The grass strip between buildings is called "the Mall").

Once I was confronted by a group of roving Christians:

Me- "How does anyone know for certain that God  exists?"
Head Pastor -"If you pray to God he will make himself known to you"
Me - grasps hands and prays "Dear Jesus, please let yourself be known to me for truth is more important than ignorance"
The group of roving x-tians look at me with their eyes wide. They were expecting a miracle.
Me -shrugs "Nope"



25.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-04-25 03:53:40 PM  

Private_Citizen: I would love to see the "she was asking for it" defense get used in other criminal cases:

"He was rich in a bad area of town, he practically had 'rob me' written all over him! I tried to walk the straight and narrow, but comeon, he was wearing a Breitling watch! What was I supposed to do?"

"He left a Honda Accord unlocked! Really? The most stolen car in America? It would have been lame Not to steal it! If he didn't want it stolen, he should drive a different car!"

/Just because a crime was easy or attractive, doesn't make it any less of a crime. The victim can't be held responsible for the criminal's lack of self control.


That's patently untrue.  There are innumerable cases in the USA of victims of crime being blamed at least partially.

For instance, if your car is stolen and it was unlocked, you are partly responsible.  If the car was then used in a drive by shooting, you are legally partially liable for damages.

If, for instance, you had a padlock on your fence gate, but it was unlocked.  A "person"(thief) comes on your property and hurts themselves.  You are now partially liable for damages, even though the damage took place during a crime, but you didn't take "reasonable" measures to stop the crime, so pony up.

Its the same with car accidents, you can be guilty of an infraction because someone else hit you.  If you don't take "reasonable" action to avoid it.

There is basically nothing in the legal system that is black and white.  There are shades and if they don't exist yet, a good lawyer can create them.
 
2013-04-25 03:53:55 PM  
PROBLEM SOLVED.

Fit him with this.


www.istudymedicine.com
 
2013-04-25 03:53:56 PM  

scottydoesntknow: He also makes their signs look professional by comparison. Did he spend a whole 25 seconds creating that thing? It's embarrassing. No flames or pictures of the hooded rape guy or rape Lincoln.

Zero creativity.


I agree. All he had to do was print out the You Gonna Get Raped guy and get that blown up into a legible size, then he could offend women and all black people all on one sign.

Lazy.
 
2013-04-25 03:54:15 PM  
I give it a week before his Grindr profile info is posted online.
 
2013-04-25 03:59:16 PM  

IRQ12: magicgoo: The school is wrong; his words aren't protected. They incite a lawless/illegal action, and fall under the "fighting words" portion of the unprotected speech.If that were true saying you deserve to get kicked in the nuts would not be free speech.
Surely you understand the different between "incite" and "comment on" if you are going to be calling out a university as being wrong.


I understand the difference, but the beauty of the constitution is that it's all in the interpretation. I interpret his use of the word, "deserve," as he's actually going to rape someone, and if I were a student there, I'd be afraid of this guy raping me because I might wear a skirt one day. I could say that I was threatened by his sign, and use that as an argument to have him pulled off the university grounds. I doubt you can hold up a sign at an airport that says, "You all deserve to be bombed." Everyone at that airport would lose their shiat, instantly. The sign would be completely seen as a threat and not just a comment, thereby making it completely not protected by the First Amendment. The school could do something about it, but they're being lazy. It's just the usual, protected misogyny of good ol' Amurka. Oh and, btw, I don't have nuts, so I don't feel threatened by your comment and interpret it as a comment and nothing more.
 
2013-04-25 04:00:22 PM  

mayIFark: This is one topic that confuses me: I absolutely believe that it is not the woman's fault regardless of how dresses or acts or drinks or whatever.

Here is my question though, does those increase's one chance or not? In a perfect world it would not, but we live in a real world that is not perfect.

Who's fault it is, is after the fact (and we know for sure who's fault it is, just to emphasis, there is no question there). But that will not change the fact about the trouble that one have to go through.

Basically, if you keep the door open and things get stolen, it is still thief's fault, but you could reduce that chance by locking that door. Because, at the end of the day, you are the one who lost items.

Now, I don't know for sure, if any of those behavior actually increases the chance or not. If it does not, the whole argument is invalid.


The thing to remember here is that the open door/clothing situation is not equivalent.

An open door is the same as every other open door and if someone is a thief and checks your door, you will get robbed.

But ANY clothing choice a person makes is attractive to SOMEONE. If you make what the victim wears the basis of "reducing the chance" then you end up in burkas, and even THOSE are attractive to someone. Therefore, you remove clothing choice as a possibility of being used as an excuse, since *anything* a woman wears could be considered attractive by someone.
 
2013-04-25 04:04:15 PM  
No one deserves to be punched in the face for expressing their opinion. But this guy deserves it more than women deserve to get raped.
 
2013-04-25 04:05:25 PM  

mayIFark: This is one topic that confuses me: I absolutely believe that it is not the woman's fault regardless of how dresses or acts or drinks or whatever.

Here is my question though, does those increase's one chance or not? In a perfect world it would not, but we live in a real world that is not perfect.


I believe it increases a woman's risk. You don't flash cash in a bad neighborhood, you lock your doors, etc. It's unfortunate that we must all take steps on a daily basis to help lower the risk that we will be a victim. Rape is a different sort of crime altogether but if a raping son-of-a-biatch doesn't know that you have a killer bod, just maybe he won't go all rapey.
 
2013-04-25 04:05:46 PM  

demaL-demaL-yeH: CygnusDarius: demaL-demaL-yeH: Umm......... so you're saying it was too hot out for you to saw douchebags on the ASU campus?

Well, Phoenix is not so close to the beach as Hermosillo, and I know no pig farms in Phoenix, so there.

/And why am I a Swan?

Cygnus. Please.


*facepalm*

Should've seen that one coming.

/I guess AthenaDarius doesn't have the same ring to it.
 
2013-04-25 04:11:24 PM  

kwame: Theaetetus: /[control-f] "physiological"... really have no idea what you're still arguing about

Because the moderator deleted both your and my posts about it.

It's nice to see they still arbitrarily enforce rules when they feel like it.


Well, far be it from me to gaslight you. The important thing to remember here is that I was right and you agreed. Cheers.
 
2013-04-25 04:14:57 PM  

mayIFark: This is one topic that confuses me: I absolutely believe that it is not the woman's fault regardless of how dresses or acts or drinks or whatever.

Here is my question though, does those increase's one chance or not? In a perfect world it would not, but we live in a real world that is not perfect.

Who's fault it is, is after the fact (and we know for sure who's fault it is, just to emphasis, there is no question there). But that will not change the fact about the trouble that one have to go through.

Basically, if you keep the door open and things get stolen, it is still thief's fault, but you could reduce that chance by locking that door. Because, at the end of the day, you are the one who lost items.

Now, I don't know for sure, if any of those behavior actually increases the chance or not. If it does not, the whole argument is invalid.


One of the interesting things about a society in which rapists are convicted and put in prison and in which we have lots of social scientists who love to study human behavior is we actually have scientific answers to that age-old question.  And the scientific answer is no, dressing in a "slutty" fashion has nothing to do with your chance of being raped.

So now that we have that answer, rape apologists, being the intellectually-honest folks they are, can stop using that justification.
 
2013-04-25 04:16:17 PM  

jackrazz: Here's the problem that I have with these "rape culture" arguments...

But point out that a female should avoid getting shiat-face drunk around a bunch of strange men . . . .

There IS such a thing as assumption of risk.  This by no means excuses a criminal, but why would you intentionally put yourself into a bad or dangerous situation?  Do you lock your doors at night before you go to bed?  How about locking your car when you walk away from it?  You do these things because it's dangerous not to do them.  Why would you then decide that it's a great idea to get plastered around a bunch of drunk strangers and hope that things will work out in the end?


So you're saying women can no longer look sexy when they go to parties. And, if they go to any party, they must assume they will be raped. So, by your logic, chicks can't go to parties and can never get drunk because it is those actions that make them get raped. No drinking. No dress-up. No high heels. No make-up. Because the NATURAL STATE of a man is uncontrollable rapist. Yeah, good luck with that.
 
2013-04-25 04:16:40 PM  

ChipNASA: PROBLEM SOLVED.

Fit him with this.

[www.istudymedicine.com image 500x322]


You'd have to be pretty stupid to not be able to get out of that thing. Give me a pair of scissors and a plastic coke bottle and I could get out of that "device" in about 2 minutes.
 
2013-04-25 04:17:52 PM  

mayIFark: I am seriously not trying to troll here. And as someone mentioned, it has nothing to do with how one dresses. In that case, end of the story.

My question is this, IF it increases the chance, would you go with it you cannot control it, its your fault, or rather, its your fault, but I am the one who has to suffer, so I should take precaution.

Why do we check people before boarding the plane, its their fault if they blow it up.



In other words, "I'm wrong, sure, but what if I were right?  What then?!"
 
2013-04-25 04:19:43 PM  

magicgoo: The school is wrong; his words aren't protected. They incite a lawless/illegal action, and fall under the "fighting words" portion of the unprotected speech.If that were true saying you deserve to get kicked in the nuts would not be free speech.
Surely you understand the different between "incite" and "comment on" if you are going to be calling out a university as being wrong.


I understand the difference, but the beauty of the constitution is that it's all in the interpretation. I interpret his use of the word, "deserve," as he's actually going to rape someone, and if I were a student there, I'd be afraid of this guy raping me because I might wear a skirt one day. I could say that I was threatened by his sign, and use that as an argument to have him pulled off the university grounds. I doubt you can hold up a sign at an airport that says, "You all deserve to be bombed." Everyone at that airport would lose their shiat, instantly. The sign would be completely seen as a threat and not just a comment, thereby making it completely not protected by the First Amendment. The school could do something about it, but they're being lazy. It's just the usual, protected misogyny of good ol' Amurka. Oh and, btw, I don't have nuts, so I don't feel threatened by your comment and interpret it as a comment and nothing more.


Well the interpretation, fortunately, is not done by you.  It is done at the SCOTUS and they've pretty clearly defined that the words are provoking or inciting illegal action.  How words make you  feel is not an exception to the rule and you really should be advocating suppression of free speech because of it.


If you are going to reach and say that those words make you feel that he is going to do that to you let's go on to show what you believe:


"You deserve to go to hell":  He is going to put me on a bus and take me to hell.

"You deserve a break today":  They are going to come break my arm.  Or come to my work and relive me of my duties.

 
2013-04-25 04:20:50 PM  

magicgoo: jackrazz: Here's the problem that I have with these "rape culture" arguments...

But point out that a female should avoid getting shiat-face drunk around a bunch of strange men . . . .

There IS such a thing as assumption of risk.  This by no means excuses a criminal, but why would you intentionally put yourself into a bad or dangerous situation?  Do you lock your doors at night before you go to bed?  How about locking your car when you walk away from it?  You do these things because it's dangerous not to do them.  Why would you then decide that it's a great idea to get plastered around a bunch of drunk strangers and hope that things will work out in the end?

So you're saying women can no longer look sexy when they go to parties. And, if they go to any party, they must assume they will be raped. So, by your logic, chicks can't go to parties and can never get drunk because it is those actions that make them get raped. No drinking. No dress-up. No high heels. No make-up. Because the NATURAL STATE of a man is uncontrollable rapist. Yeah, good luck with that.


images2.wikia.nocookie.net
What someone who doesn't want chicks to be at parties may look like.
 
2013-04-25 04:21:45 PM  
jackrazz:

Here's the problem that I have with these "rape culture" arguments:
If a Klan member went into Harlem spouting his nonsense and got the shiat kicked out of him, we'd all say he was a moron and deserved it.
...There IS such a thing as assumption of risk.


BarkingUnicorn:
The problem I have with the "it's all the guy's fault" thing is that it limits women's ability to avoid getting raped.

OMG WAT.  You guys do understand that "avoiding getting raped" is NOT THE POTENTIAL VICTIM'S RESPONSIBILITY.  It IS all the guy (rapist)'s fault.  He could choose not to commit rape.  Just turn around, go home, not rape anybody.  Women do not have the obligation to live their lives wondering if they're avoiding being raped with sufficient zeal that it won't happen.

"Rape culture" means that they "assume risk" simply by being born a woman because that is the group targeted by the vast majority of rapists, and that is horribly wrong.

Jument:
Rape is a different sort of crime altogether but if a raping son-of-a-biatch doesn't know that you have a killer bod, just maybe he won't go all rapey.

I'm not even going to dignify that with a counter argument other than no, nope no, you are wrong...
 
2013-04-25 04:22:10 PM  

mayIFark: Theaetetus: mayIFark:
The argument is invalid anyway: you're analogizing a risky behavior with no benefit for performing and no loss for avoiding, such as "leaving your door unlocked", with a common behavior with benefits that are lost if the behavior is avoided, namely wearing attractive clothing, drinking in public, participating as a full member in society, etc.  In other words, even if the behavior increased the chance of being raped,you have to compare the risk to the potential benefit: there is no or only a negligible benefit to leaving your door unlocked, but there is a substantial benefit to public socializing. By leaving out that comparison, the argument is invalid.

You are right here, and I accept the difference. Did not occur to me that, there could be benefits of dressing that way. However, to me, if I were a girl, the risk would still out-weight the benefit. Binge eating can be a lot of fun (benefit), but you can die from it (risk). To me, I would not binge eat, because the risk out-weights the benefit here. Is it not the case for dressing as well? (again, I could be wrong)


*sniff*  *sniff*

Smells like a concern troll to me.
 
2013-04-25 04:24:20 PM  

jackrazz: There IS such a thing as assumption of risk.  This by no means excuses a criminal, but why would you intentionally put yourself into a bad or dangerous situation?  Do you lock your doors at night before you go to bed?  How about locking your car when you walk away from it?  You do these things because it's dangerous not to do them.  Why would you then decide that it's a great idea to get plastered around a bunch of drunk strangers and hope that things will work out in the end?


But if she knows everyone there, she can get plastered. No such thing as acquaintance or date rape, right?
 
2013-04-25 04:24:49 PM  

Feral_and_Preposterous: ChipNASA: PROBLEM SOLVED.

Fit him with this.

[www.istudymedicine.com image 500x322]

You'd have to be pretty stupid to not be able to get out of that thing. Give me a pair of scissors and a plastic coke bottle and I could get out of that "device" in about 2 minutes.


I don't think that woman understands how a penis works or how easily that thing would be cut off if she thinks that will stay on.
 
2013-04-25 04:24:58 PM  

I_Am_Weasel: Saxton, a junior studying classics and religious studies, said his sermon was meant to convey that "if you dress like a whore, act like a whore, you're probably going to get raped."

"I think that girls that dress and act like it," Saxton said, "they should realize that they do have partial responsibility, because I believe that they're pretty much asking for it."


I think what they meant was...

Saxton, an asshat, studying classics and religious studies, said his idiocy was meant to convey that "if you hold signs like a douche, act like a douche, you're probably going to get your ass kicked."

"I think that I'm a douche and act like it," Saxton said, "I should realize that I do have partial responsibility, because I believe that I'm pretty much asking for it."


Exactly what I was thinking. Would like to hold up another sign saying folks like him deserve an immediate ass-kicking.
 
2013-04-25 04:26:12 PM  

timujin: oldernell: OK by me as long as he is the rapee.

I have to say, were he raped, I wouldn't feel the least bit bad.  I would probably chortle a bit.


this will change his perspective - nsfw
 
2013-04-25 04:26:24 PM  

Jument: mayIFark: This is one topic that confuses me: I absolutely believe that it is not the woman's fault regardless of how dresses or acts or drinks or whatever.

Here is my question though, does those increase's one chance or not? In a perfect world it would not, but we live in a real world that is not perfect.

I believe it increases a woman's risk. You don't flash cash in a bad neighborhood, you lock your doors, etc. It's unfortunate that we must all take steps on a daily basis to help lower the risk that we will be a victim. Rape is a different sort of crime altogether but if a raping son-of-a-biatch doesn't know that you have a killer bod, just maybe he won't go all rapey.


I don't believe it really increases the risk of a "jump out of the bushes at the park" blitz attack / rape. I do believe it increases the chances of a "dickbag at the party doses you with rophenol" type rape. One is about laying in wait and seizing an opportunity when it presents itself, the other is about going out and finding a target and weasling your way up to her and slipping her a mickey. The latter offers the rapist a chance to be choosy and pick his target. Obviously he's going to choose a target that sexually excites him.

Doesn't make it the victim's fault. It's pretty obvious if you think about it, though.
 
2013-04-25 04:27:04 PM  

CapeFearCadaver: https://twitter.com/brodeanIV/media/grid


His mother must be so proud... if his father hasn't beaten her to death yet.
 
2013-04-25 04:27:11 PM  

kwame: Theaetetus: It's a common socialization behavior. Avoiding it makes you abnormal, which has a substantial penalty.

Oh, and no.  Not in any way whatsoever unless you are a complete social misfit, in which case your behavior as a drunk is probably even worse.


What the hell is your problem with alcohol?  Are you a recovering alcoholic or a Mormon or something?
 
2013-04-25 04:30:20 PM  
You deserve rape, you deserve murder, you deserve arson, you deserve rape... - You said you deserve rape twice - I like people deserving of rape.
 
2013-04-25 04:30:51 PM  

James!: So that's his problem, he needs to get laid.  Somebody needs to tell him that women do not want to hear that shiat. He needs to mellow out and leave the religious shiat at home.


something tells me one, if he thinks of women like this, no woman will want to f*ck him so, ironically, he's forever screwed.  and two, he doesn't give a sh*t what women want to hear.  he is basically advertising his fear of women and hate for himself.  let him.  you can't argue with a man who thinks he's right about this kind of thing.  he will dismiss and downplay to protect himself because he is so weak.  damn, his father failed him big time.
 
2013-04-25 04:32:39 PM  
i.imgur.com

Sounds like a regular poster in 4chan's hourly "feminists~!" thread on /v/.
 
2013-04-25 04:32:49 PM  

mayIFark: So, basically, what you are saying is, "women who does these behavior considers that the benefit of it out-weights the risk of rape". True or false?

/By the way, since I have found the missing piece that I was looking for (thank you), I do not see any reason I need to continue on this.


Yuppers.  Concern troll.  A step down from rape apologist.
 
Ehh
2013-04-25 04:32:52 PM  

orclover: These guys completely agree with them.
[img.timeinc.net image 525x294]


But they probably disagree with him on the issue of wearing socks.
 
2013-04-25 04:33:38 PM  
Who would Jesus rape?
 
2013-04-25 04:35:06 PM  

IRQ12: magicgoo: The school is wrong; his words aren't protected. They incite a lawless/illegal action, and fall under the "fighting words" portion of the unprotected speech.If that were true saying you deserve to get kicked in the nuts would not be free speech.
Surely you understand the different between "incite" and "comment on" if you are going to be calling out a university as being wrong.

I understand the difference, but the beauty of the constitution is that it's all in the interpretation. I interpret his use of the word, "deserve," as he's actually going to rape someone, and if I were a student there, I'd be afraid of this guy raping me because I might wear a skirt one day. I could say that I was threatened by his sign, and use that as an argument to have him pulled off the university grounds. I doubt you can hold up a sign at an airport that says, "You all deserve to be bombed." Everyone at that airport would lose their shiat, instantly. The sign would be completely seen as a threat and not just a comment, thereby making it completely not protected by the First Amendment. The school could do something about it, but they're being lazy. It's just the usual, protected misogyny of good ol' Amurka. Oh and, btw, I don't have nuts, so I don't feel threatened by your comment and interpret it as a comment and nothing more.
Well the interpretation, fortunately, is not done by you.  It is done at the SCOTUS and they've pretty clearly defined that the words are provoking or inciting illegal action.  How words make you  feel is not an exception to the rule and you really should be advocating suppression of free speech because of it.
If you are going to reach and say that those words make you feel that he is going to do that to you let's go on to show what you believe:
"You deserve to go to hell":  He is going to put me on a bus and take me to hell."You deserve a break today":  They are going to come break my arm.  Or come to my work and relive me of my duties.


His sign makes him an advocate of an illegal act. My feelings would absolutely come in to play if I were a student there. I would feel threatened, and legally, that's all it would take to have him removed for fighting words/unprotected speech. I still say the school is not right. They're doing their own loose interpretation of what is covered. People throw "free speech" around as if it covers everything. If the words champion illegal acts, they are not protected. "Deserving to be raped," shows intent to rape. Last I checked, that whole rape thing was kind of illegal. Hell isn't illegal. You cannot use analogies that break the boundaries of what is real or not. Deserving a break may be taken as literally or figuratively, and throws it right back into those blurry lines that seem to be everywhere in the Constitution. As much as I despise the WBC, their words are protected as "Hell" isn't seen as real in the legal system. But for his sign, which is the only sign I'm referring to in this argument, it is unprotected speech because rape is real and is illegal.
 
2013-04-25 04:35:28 PM  

ciberido: mayIFark: So, basically, what you are saying is, "women who does these behavior considers that the benefit of it out-weights the risk of rape". True or false?

/By the way, since I have found the missing piece that I was looking for (thank you), I do not see any reason I need to continue on this.

Yuppers.  Concern troll.  A step down from rape apologist.


... on the evolutionary ladder?
 
2013-04-25 04:35:28 PM  
Ah.....so THERE is this "rape culture" I've been hearing about....it's THAT guy!

Good to know, remind me not to fall asleep when he's around.


/"Virgin pride", farking lulz.  I really do hope you're proud about it there guy, because it's pretty much guaranteed to continue.
 
2013-04-25 04:37:34 PM  

jso2897: StrandedInAZ: Another UA grad piping in with my two cents...

It's gotten to the point where I hate to click anything labeled Arizona because it's always an awful story. There was a piece on 60 minutes a few weeks ago about a 16-year-old black boy who was railroaded for a fatal fire that happened in Tucson in 1970. He just got out of prison a couple of weeks ago, but not before they made him please no contest so he can't turn around and sue them for a false 42-year imprisonment.

Living in Southern AZ, I used to tell myself that at least I wasn't in Maricopa County. Now it's gotten to the point where I can't tell a difference between Southern AZ and the rest of this awful state. I have to get out of here.

Move to Jerome, or Sedona. Hang out with the Dinei. Stick to the open country - there's a lot of cool stuff in your state, and a few cool people. Be selective.


Thanks for the tip. I'm only here because my septuagenarian parents are here. I'd gladly stay for thirty more years if it meant they lived for 30 more, but that's unlikely. And once they are gone, I will leave the state. I have my eye on the Pacific NW.
 
2013-04-25 04:39:16 PM  
Has ayone thought that maybe he's not exactly a troll in the WBC fasion of looking for lawsuits? Maybe he is a "performance artist" / troll bagging on christianity by taking it to its logical extreme. I read some of his blog and I have a hard time believing he actually believes all that he says, the whole dating a high school girl while in college thing and some of the other posts may just be satire because they push exactly the right buttons to get people going.


/of course I may be wrong, there are plenty of idiots in the world.
 
2013-04-25 04:41:48 PM  
Someone needs to explain Ugol's law to this f*ckhat. But only after dropping him in the middle of the annual meeting of "guys who are really turned on by generic idiots with poorly-chosen glasses who act like morons in public".
 
2013-04-25 04:46:46 PM  
www.explosm.net
 
2013-04-25 04:57:16 PM  

Feral_and_Preposterous: Jument: mayIFark: This is one topic that confuses me: I absolutely believe that it is not the woman's fault regardless of how dresses or acts or drinks or whatever.

Here is my question though, does those increase's one chance or not? In a perfect world it would not, but we live in a real world that is not perfect.

I believe it increases a woman's risk. You don't flash cash in a bad neighborhood, you lock your doors, etc. It's unfortunate that we must all take steps on a daily basis to help lower the risk that we will be a victim. Rape is a different sort of crime altogether but if a raping son-of-a-biatch doesn't know that you have a killer bod, just maybe he won't go all rapey.

I don't believe it really increases the risk of a "jump out of the bushes at the park" blitz attack / rape. I do believe it increases the chances of a "dickbag at the party doses you with rophenol" type rape. One is about laying in wait and seizing an opportunity when it presents itself, the other is about going out and finding a target and weasling your way up to her and slipping her a mickey. The latter offers the rapist a chance to be choosy and pick his target. Obviously he's going to choose a target that sexually excites him.

Doesn't make it the victim's fault. It's pretty obvious if you think about it, though.


Isn't the whole thing that they're basically sexually excited by weak targets, regardless of physical appearance?
 
2013-04-25 04:59:22 PM  

No Such Agency: BarkingUnicorn:
The problem I have with the "it's all the guy's fault" thing is that it limits women's ability to avoid getting raped.

OMG WAT.  You guys do understand that "avoiding getting raped" is NOT THE POTENTIAL VICTIM'S RESPONSIBILITY.


I'm more interested in women not getting raped than I am in whose responsibility it is.
 
2013-04-25 05:01:35 PM  

magicgoo: ....
His sign makes him an advocate of an illegal act. My feelings would absolutely come in to play if I were a student there. I would feel threatened, and legally, that's all it would take to have him removed for fighting words/unprotected speech. I still say the school is not right. They're doing their own loose interpretation of what is covered. People throw "free speech" around as if it covers everything. If the words champion illegal acts, they are not protected. "Deserving to be raped," shows intent to rape. Last I checked, that whole rape thing was kind of illegal. Hell isn't illegal. You cannot use analogies that break the boundaries of what is real or not. Deserving a break may be taken as literally or figuratively, and throws it right back into those blurry lines that seem to be everywhere in the Constitution. As much as I despise the WBC, their words are protected as "Hell" isn't seen as real in the legal system. But for his sign, which is the only sign I'm referring to in this argument, it is unprotected speech because rape is real and is illegal.


Advocate, champion, etc, etc.  Those words are not synonyms for provoke or incite.  I know you really, really want them to be but they simply aren't and I highly doubt you would honestly feel threatened by his stupid sign.  Offended, yes and rightly so but threatened?  No way.


You'd probably laugh or talk shiat to him then go say you felt threatened because you don't like what he is saying, right after you snapped a picture for FB.

 
2013-04-25 05:03:01 PM  
The things he must have been subjected to during potty training...
 
2013-04-25 05:06:13 PM  
Theaetetus:


images2.wikia.nocookie.net

What someone who doesn't want chicks to be at parties may look like.


Haha, yeah, Theaetetus. But IF icky girls do happen to show up, Calvin and Hobbes are perfectly within their rights to rape the shiat out of said girls.

I think what party/date rape apologists can't get over is the "manly" idea that if a girl wants to go to a party and get laid, but she happens to turn them down for sex, their butthurt man feelings suddenly make it OK to take what they want. Guess what, sexist future rapists: It's not just you who went to a party looking to meet someone and it's not just you who might want to end the night with some sex. She might be there for that exact same reason. And, that's absolutely wonderful. And, if she wants to get a little shiat-faced, that's awesome, too. But, if she should decide to end any activity with any guy at ANY POINT, that is her right. Even if you buy a girl drinks, make out with her, and touch her in whatever places; even if she enjoys every second of every moment up until right now;  THE VERY MOMENT SHE SAYS, "STOP," is the goddamn moment you stop. Yes. Your balls will hurt, but so what? Yes, your man pride will get smashed into tiny pieces. So the fark what? Get over it. Stop and don't question it. Oh, but you want reasons, you say. Well. Maybe you did something that hurt her and she's too embarrassed to say so. Maybe you did nothing at all. Oh, here's one that'll hurt your feelings: Maybe you're just not the one she wanted after you two began to make dirty. Whatever the reason, you've got to get over it. That's the manly thing to do. Just walk away and swallow your pride and deal with the butthurt. Because you have zero rights to continue if she doesn't want to. Zero. Know this: It wasn't some intentional tease to hurt your sensitive nutsack. It wasn't some insider mission of evil girls to give you a boner and then skip away, laughing. It was just something she realized she didn't want and she has every right to stop it whenever she wants to. Get. Over. It.
 
2013-04-25 05:07:42 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: I'm more interested in women not getting raped than I am in whose responsibility it is.


All things being equal.  Very few armed woman get raped, no matter how slutty they dress.

/Am I trolling this correctly to get the gun people in here too?
 
2013-04-25 05:09:49 PM  

IRQ12: magicgoo: ....
His sign makes him an advocate of an illegal act. My feelings would absolutely come in to play if I were a student there. I would feel threatened, and legally, that's all it would take to have him removed for fighting words/unprotected speech. I still say the school is not right. They're doing their own loose interpretation of what is covered. People throw "free speech" around as if it covers everything. If the words champion illegal acts, they are not protected. "Deserving to be raped," shows intent to rape. Last I checked, that whole rape thing was kind of illegal. Hell isn't illegal. You cannot use analogies that break the boundaries of what is real or not. Deserving a break may be taken as literally or figuratively, and throws it right back into those blurry lines that seem to be everywhere in the Constitution. As much as I despise the WBC, their words are protected as "Hell" isn't seen as real in the legal system. But for his sign, which is the only sign I'm referring to in this argument, it is unprotected speech because rape is real and is illegal.
Advocate, champion, etc, etc.  Those words are not synonyms for provoke or incite.  I know you really, really want them to be but they simply aren't and I highly doubt you would honestly feel threatened by his stupid sign.  Offended, yes and rightly so but threatened?  No way.
You'd probably laugh or talk shiat to him then go say you felt threatened because you don't like what he is saying, right after you snapped a picture for FB.


OK, fine. You caught me. Offended, no. Picture for Facebook, hell yes. And threatened, actually still yes. I'm 5', 105 lbs. I'm pretty much easily threatened by chihuahuas with boners.
 
2013-04-25 05:11:21 PM  

puckmunch: Who would Jesus rape?


Peter. Duh!

"Cock's crowing, biatch! Deny this three times!"
 
2013-04-25 05:12:17 PM  

magicgoo: So you're saying women can no longer look sexy when they go to parties. And, if they go to any party, they must assume they will be raped. So, by your logic, chicks can't go to parties and can never get drunk because it is those actions that make them get raped. No drinking. No dress-up. No high heels. No make-up. Because the NATURAL STATE of a man is uncontrollable rapist. Yeah, good luck with that.


Actually, yes.  We're not so far removed from tribal hunting-gathering as we like to pretend.  There will always be people who seek to assert dominance over over those perceived to be weaker as a show of superiority, and every male, to an extent, has this hard-wired into his DNA.  It's basically the "Alpha Male" and "Beta Male" dynamic.  Some people will do whatever they want, to whomever they want, as long as it increases (or seems to increase) they're own personal power.  This is how human society has worked since the dawn of time.  We do a better job of dressing it up like civilization these days, but don't delude yourself into thinking for one second that there are still plenty of people out there who would happily piss on your corpse if it got them some sort of personal advantage.  Ignoring that is both foolish and dangerous.
 
2013-04-25 05:13:05 PM  

MonoChango: BarkingUnicorn: I'm more interested in women not getting raped than I am in whose responsibility it is.

All things being equal.  Very few armed woman get raped, no matter how slutty they dress.

/Am I trolling this correctly to get the gun people in here too?


I'd be interested in hard data on that.  If it's true, fine with me.
 
2013-04-25 05:14:29 PM  
magicgoo:  Know this: It wasn't some intentional tease to hurt your sensitive nutsack. It wasn't some insider mission of evil girls to give you a boner and then skip away, laughing.

Wouldn't even matter if it did -- the proper response to that would not be rape either.
 
2013-04-25 05:15:44 PM  

MonoChango: BarkingUnicorn: I'm more interested in women not getting raped than I am in whose responsibility it is.

All things being equal.  Very few armed woman get raped, no matter how slutty they dress.
/Am I trolling this correctly to get the gun people in here too?


You need to add a little more to it like this:  "If a fetus didn't dress so slutty (totally naked!), and if it carried a gun, it wouldn't get raped all the time."
 
2013-04-25 05:22:14 PM  

magicgoo: His sign makes him an advocate of an illegal act. My feelings would absolutely come in to play if I were a student there. I would feel threatened, and legally, that's all it would take to have him removed for fighting words/unprotected speech. I still say the school is not right. They're doing their own loose interpretation of what is covered. People throw "free speech" around as if it covers everything. If the words champion illegal acts, they are not protected.


Uh, no.  If that were the case, NORML would be in prison.
 
2013-04-25 05:25:18 PM  

elchupacabra: magicgoo: His sign makes him an advocate of an illegal act. My feelings would absolutely come in to play if I were a student there. I would feel threatened, and legally, that's all it would take to have him removed for fighting words/unprotected speech. I still say the school is not right. They're doing their own loose interpretation of what is covered. People throw "free speech" around as if it covers everything. If the words champion illegal acts, they are not protected.

Uh, no.  If that were the case, NORML would be in prison.


Forget NORML, look at NAMBLA.
 
2013-04-25 05:26:53 PM  

gunga galunga: elchupacabra: magicgoo: His sign makes him an advocate of an illegal act. My feelings would absolutely come in to play if I were a student there. I would feel threatened, and legally, that's all it would take to have him removed for fighting words/unprotected speech. I still say the school is not right. They're doing their own loose interpretation of what is covered. People throw "free speech" around as if it covers everything. If the words champion illegal acts, they are not protected.

Uh, no.  If that were the case, NORML would be in prison.

Forget NORML, look at NAMBLA.


Ugh, I try not to.
 
2013-04-25 05:50:38 PM  

elchupacabra: Feral_and_Preposterous: Jument: mayIFark: This is one topic that confuses me: I absolutely believe that it is not the woman's fault regardless of how dresses or acts or drinks or whatever.

Here is my question though, does those increase's one chance or not? In a perfect world it would not, but we live in a real world that is not perfect.

I believe it increases a woman's risk. You don't flash cash in a bad neighborhood, you lock your doors, etc. It's unfortunate that we must all take steps on a daily basis to help lower the risk that we will be a victim. Rape is a different sort of crime altogether but if a raping son-of-a-biatch doesn't know that you have a killer bod, just maybe he won't go all rapey.

I don't believe it really increases the risk of a "jump out of the bushes at the park" blitz attack / rape. I do believe it increases the chances of a "dickbag at the party doses you with rophenol" type rape. One is about laying in wait and seizing an opportunity when it presents itself, the other is about going out and finding a target and weasling your way up to her and slipping her a mickey. The latter offers the rapist a chance to be choosy and pick his target. Obviously he's going to choose a target that sexually excites him.

Doesn't make it the victim's fault. It's pretty obvious if you think about it, though.

Isn't the whole thing that they're basically sexually excited by weak targets, regardless of physical appearance?


Maybe. You'd have to ask a rapist I guess. But all other things being equal, is he going to get rapey on a women who's wearing a shapeless burlap sack or a women who's dressed like Pretty Woman? I don't know, not being a sick fark, but I'm going to assume that the relative level of hotness is going to play some part in his target selection.

Of course, I am talking out my ass but this is Fark where I'm allowed to be an armchair expert if I don't feel like working.
 
2013-04-25 05:53:08 PM  
10/10 Would rape.
 
2013-04-25 06:06:29 PM  
Not only did my Alma Mater make Fark, it has its own tag? Wow!

I remember a Mall preacher during my years at the U of A ('88-'92) that called himself "Y'shua 666 Israel" or something like it. If I recall correctly he even 'crucified' his kids on real crosses (tied to them, not nailed) once to get attention.

I remember another nutjob yelling at the sorority "sluts", calling them whores, for wearing revealing clothing. Not like it was Tucson in the spring where it was like 100 degrees or anything.

Glad to see some Wildcat traditions live on!
 
2013-04-25 06:10:33 PM  
ciberido: One of the interesting things about a society in which rapists are convicted and put in prison and in which we have lots of social scientists who love to study human behavior is we actually have scientific answers to that age-old question.   And the scientific answer is no, dressing in a "slutty" fashion has nothing to do with your chance of being raped.

So now that we have that answer, rape apologists, being the intellectually-honest folks they are, can stop using that justification.

oi40.tinypic.com
 
2013-04-25 06:16:07 PM  

MonoChango: BarkingUnicorn: I'm more interested in women not getting raped than I am in whose responsibility it is.

All things being equal.  Very few armed woman get raped, no matter how slutty they dress.

/Am I trolling this correctly to get the gun people in here too?


With that crowd, it usually helps to use pictures - they aren't highly verbal.
i18.photobucket.com
 
2013-04-25 06:18:25 PM  

elchupacabra: gunga galunga: elchupacabra: magicgoo: His sign makes him an advocate of an illegal act. My feelings would absolutely come in to play if I were a student there. I would feel threatened, and legally, that's all it would take to have him removed for fighting words/unprotected speech. I still say the school is not right. They're doing their own loose interpretation of what is covered. People throw "free speech" around as if it covers everything. If the words champion illegal acts, they are not protected.

Uh, no.  If that were the case, NORML would be in prison.

Forget NORML, look at NAMBLA.

Ugh, I try not to.


Do those assholes even exist anymore?

/sure as fark not going to google them
 
2013-04-25 06:19:57 PM  

Lady Indica: ciberido: One of the interesting things about a society in which rapists are convicted and put in prison and in which we have lots of social scientists who love to study human behavior is we actually have scientific answers to that age-old question.   And the scientific answer is no, dressing in a "slutty" fashion has nothing to do with your chance of being raped.

So now that we have that answer, rape apologists, being the intellectually-honest folks they are, can stop using that justification.

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What sort of rape scenarios did this science study?  Rape may be rape, but it occurs in different contexts.
 
2013-04-25 06:20:45 PM  
Dressing slutty may not increase your chances of getting raped. But it doesn't hurt.
 
2013-04-25 06:20:51 PM  

jackrazz: magicgoo: So you're saying women can no longer look sexy when they go to parties. And, if they go to any party, they must assume they will be raped. So, by your logic, chicks can't go to parties and can never get drunk because it is those actions that make them get raped. No drinking. No dress-up. No high heels. No make-up. Because the NATURAL STATE of a man is uncontrollable rapist. Yeah, good luck with that.

Actually, yes.  We're not so far removed from tribal hunting-gathering as we like to pretend.  There will always be people who seek to assert dominance over over those perceived to be weaker as a show of superiority, and every male, to an extent, has this hard-wired into his DNA.  It's basically the "Alpha Male" and "Beta Male" dynamic.  Some people will do whatever they want, to whomever they want, as long as it increases (or seems to increase) they're own personal power.  This is how human society has worked since the dawn of time.  We do a better job of dressing it up like civilization these days, but don't delude yourself into thinking for one second that there are still plenty of people out there who would happily piss on your corpse if it got them some sort of personal advantage.


I think most Farkers have played C.O.D. at one time or another, thanks.
 
2013-04-25 06:22:39 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: Lady Indica: ciberido: One of the interesting things about a society in which rapists are convicted and put in prison and in which we have lots of social scientists who love to study human behavior is we actually have scientific answers to that age-old question.   And the scientific answer is no, dressing in a "slutty" fashion has nothing to do with your chance of being raped.

So now that we have that answer, rape apologists, being the intellectually-honest folks they are, can stop using that justification.

[oi40.tinypic.com image 615x637]

What sort of rape scenarios did this science study?  Rape may be rape, but it occurs in different contexts.


Exactly - there's "rape" , and "rape rape", and "legitimate rape" - comes in more flavors than Kool-aid, it does.
 
2013-04-25 06:24:52 PM  

QueenMamaBee: jackrazz: There IS such a thing as assumption of risk.  This by no means excuses a criminal, but why would you intentionally put yourself into a bad or dangerous situation?  Do you lock your doors at night before you go to bed?  How about locking your car when you walk away from it?  You do these things because it's dangerous not to do them.  Why would you then decide that it's a great idea to get plastered around a bunch of drunk strangers and hope that things will work out in the end?

But if she knows everyone there, she can get plastered. No such thing as acquaintance or date rape, right?



Let's face it.  Women know that getting plastered in public or in a group setting (mixed male/female) are more likely to get raped than those not getting plastered.  Just like I lock my car and walk purposefully through bad neighborhoods, I do not get hammered outside of safe places.  If someone mugs me or steals my car or rapes me, it's not my fault.  I'm still the idiot to failed to take some basics steps to mitigate the potential for loss whether it's to my car, my wallet or my vag.
 
2013-04-25 06:26:41 PM  
*ugh* read that with all the words I meant to include in that 2nd sentance and you'll be fine.
 
2013-04-25 06:42:47 PM  
KrustyKitten:
getting plastered in public or in a group setting...
lock my car and walk purposefully through bad neighborhoods...


How are these different? Oh, right! The victim knows people in the group setting! Which means that, to be a better analogy, it should be:
getting plastered in public or in a group setting...
lock my car and visit a friend's house...


So, if you visit your friend's house and they mug you or steal your car, are you still an idiot who failed to take basic steps to mitigate it? And if so, what kind of friends do you have?
 
2013-04-25 06:42:58 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: Egoy3k: ITG time.

Seriously why hasn't anybody kicked the shiat out of him? I mean with the number of unbalanced people in the world I find it so hard to believe that no father/boyfriend/husband/brother of a rape victim with anger control issues hasn't taken a hefty swing at a guy holding a sign like that.  Hell I'm a level headed guy and I had brief moment of rage when some asshat used the gap in traffic caused by an ambulance to pass me and 5 other cars yesterday.  How has this guy not encountered somebody willing to take a swing?

It's Arizona.  Most people agree with him.




It's Tucson, so maybe not so much. Mesa, yes, but not Tucson.
 
2013-04-25 07:00:33 PM  

jso2897: BarkingUnicorn: Lady Indica: ciberido: One of the interesting things about a society in which rapists are convicted and put in prison and in which we have lots of social scientists who love to study human behavior is we actually have scientific answers to that age-old question.   And the scientific answer is no, dressing in a "slutty" fashion has nothing to do with your chance of being raped.

So now that we have that answer, rape apologists, being the intellectually-honest folks they are, can stop using that justification.

[oi40.tinypic.com image 615x637]

What sort of rape scenarios did this science study?  Rape may be rape, but it occurs in different contexts.

Exactly - there's "rape" , and "rape rape", and "legitimate rape" - comes in more flavors than Kool-aid, it does.


"Death is death" would not help keep people alive longer, nor would absolving people of responsibility for staying alive.
 
2013-04-25 07:14:13 PM  

brap: styckx: What I always find weird about these campus stories is how well protected anyones rights are regardless of what they're doing or how shocking it is.. It's like "Oh look, that's how it's supposed to work in the real world"..

Yeah you don't see these guys doing this at the Cubbyhole or Meow Mix or even the local biker bar, they'd be spitting up bloody chicklets.


They're also happy to jump on atheists for "not protesting Islam enough", yet, oddly, they never seem to try to get converts in Iran...they're HERE, in what they insist is a "Christian Nation".  Well, then...go where you're needed.

Surely God will protect them  :)
 
2013-04-25 07:26:13 PM  

zedster: Because People in power are Stupid: Oh yes, my alma mater replete with angry Mall preachers. (The grass strip between buildings is called "the Mall").

Oh Brother Jed, splits his time between UA in the winter and UW-Madison in the summer.
Lead to my friend always yelling "WHERE IS JESUS WHEN IT'S -10*?" when he passed him.

Once asked him what his shirt was made of, he said "polyester and cotton." I told him he wore a tunic made of two cloth and the bible said I must stone him to death. He flipped the fark out saying that part of the bible didn't apply to him, it was fun


Is he gone from Mizzou, or is it a different Brother Jed?
 
2013-04-25 07:39:47 PM  

mayIFark: This is one topic that confuses me: I absolutely believe that it is not the woman's fault regardless of how dresses or acts or drinks or whatever.

Here is my question though, does those increase's one chance or not? In a perfect world it would not, but we live in a real world that is not perfect.

Who's fault it is, is after the fact (and we know for sure who's fault it is, just to emphasis, there is no question there). But that will not change the fact about the trouble that one have to go through.

Basically, if you keep the door open and things get stolen, it is still thief's fault, but you could reduce that chance by locking that door. Because, at the end of the day, you are the one who lost items.

Now, I don't know for sure, if any of those behavior actually increases the chance or not. If it does not, the whole argument is invalid.


Based on your logic, a "victim" of necrophilia deserved it because they were just lying there naked on the table?
 
2013-04-25 07:45:27 PM  

Theaetetus: KrustyKitten:
getting plastered in public or in a group setting...
lock my car and walk purposefully through bad neighborhoods...

How are these different? Oh, right! The victim knows people in the group setting! Which means that, to be a better analogy, it should be:
getting plastered in public or in a group setting...
lock my car and visit a friend's house...

So, if you visit your friend's house and they mug you or steal your car, are you still an idiot who failed to take basic steps to mitigate it? And if so, what kind of friends do you have?


I bet those girls getting hammered with "friends" then gang raped by said friends, probalby thought at least some of those people where really their friends - at least when they showed up.

/friends
 
2013-04-25 07:47:44 PM  
i41.tinypic.com
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2013-04-25 07:50:09 PM  

snitramc: mayIFark: This is one topic that confuses me: I absolutely believe that it is not the woman's fault regardless of how dresses or acts or drinks or whatever.

Here is my question though, does those increase's one chance or not? In a perfect world it would not, but we live in a real world that is not perfect.

Who's fault it is, is after the fact (and we know for sure who's fault it is, just to emphasis, there is no question there). But that will not change the fact about the trouble that one have to go through.

Basically, if you keep the door open and things get stolen, it is still thief's fault, but you could reduce that chance by locking that door. Because, at the end of the day, you are the one who lost items.

Now, I don't know for sure, if any of those behavior actually increases the chance or not. If it does not, the whole argument is invalid.

Based on your logic, a "victim" of necrophilia deserved it because they were just lying there naked on the table?


Based on your comment, you just proved that you don't even know how to read. Read my previous comments, I was pretty clear about that. There was never any question about deserving or who's fault it is. The question was all about whether you can do/not do something to reduce your chance of being a victim.

/reading comprehension, its your friend.
 
2013-04-25 07:51:56 PM  

I_Am_Weasel: Saxton, a junior studying classics and religious studies, said his sermon was meant to convey that "if you dress like a whore, act like a whore, you're probably going to get raped."

"I think that girls that dress and act like it," Saxton said, "they should realize that they do have partial responsibility, because I believe that they're pretty much asking for it."


I think what they meant was...

Saxton, an asshat, studying classics and religious studies, said his idiocy was meant to convey that "if you hold signs like a douche, act like a douche, you're probably going to get your ass kicked."

"I think that I'm a douche and act like it," Saxton said, "I should realize that I do have partial responsibility, because I believe that I'm pretty much asking for it."


Godammit! I was going to go with "asshole" instead of "douche", and "cockpunched" instead of "ass kicked".
 
2013-04-25 08:11:17 PM  
When he's punched in the face by someone who's been raped I'll say, "I think that guys who dress and act like that and carry those signs, they should realize that they do have partial responsibility, because I believe that they're pretty much asking for it."
 
2013-04-25 08:21:11 PM  
Saxton, a junior studying classics and religious studies, said his sermon was meant to convey that "if you dress like a whore, act like a whore, you're probably going to get raped."

He might also find that if you act like a dick, speak like a dick, you're probably going to get punched.
 
2013-04-25 08:38:16 PM  

scalpod: When he's punched in the face by someone who's been raped I'll say, "I think that guys who dress and act like that and carry those signs, they should realize that they do have partial responsibility, because I believe that they're pretty much asking for it."


Yes. That would be correct.
 
2013-04-25 09:34:51 PM  
Hasn't anyone ever heard of "Brother" Jed Smock?

He would yell hilarious things at students when preaching on campus, calling women whores, and fraternity men "homosexual masturbators", etc.  After students began picking mock oranges and throwing them at him, the universities ordered that all the trees be picked before he showed up each year.  He also hated fine arts students, lesbians, Mexicans and Jews.  His follower, and later wife, "Sister Cindy", had a hilarious pamphlet she would hand out claiming that she had been a "Disco Queen" before she had seen the light.

But I will hand it to Jed, he could keep up an outdoor preaching rant-scream for six hours straight.
 
2013-04-25 09:36:17 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: Lady Indica: ciberido: One of the interesting things about a society in which rapists are convicted and put in prison and in which we have lots of social scientists who love to study human behavior is we actually have scientific answers to that age-old question.   And the scientific answer is no, dressing in a "slutty" fashion has nothing to do with your chance of being raped.

So now that we have that answer, rape apologists, being the intellectually-honest folks they are, can stop using that justification.

[oi40.tinypic.com image 615x637]

What sort of rape scenarios did this science study?  Rape may be rape, but it occurs in different contexts.


I gave you some links already.  Here's one more.
 
2013-04-25 09:41:53 PM  

jso2897: BarkingUnicorn: Lady Indica: ciberido: One of the interesting things about a society in which rapists are convicted and put in prison and in which we have lots of social scientists who love to study human behavior is we actually have scientific answers to that age-old question.   And the scientific answer is no, dressing in a "slutty" fashion has nothing to do with your chance of being raped.

So now that we have that answer, rape apologists, being the intellectually-honest folks they are, can stop using that justification.

[oi40.tinypic.com image 615x637]

What sort of rape scenarios did this science study?  Rape may be rape, but it occurs in different contexts.

Exactly - there's "rape" , and "rape rape", and "legitimate rape" - comes in more flavors than Kool-aid, it does.


Good advice for women with questions about birth control.
 
2013-04-25 11:19:09 PM  
Did we find his Fark handle yet?
 
2013-04-25 11:54:30 PM  

jackrazz: scalpod: When he's punched in the face by someone who's been raped I'll say, "I think that guys who dress and act like that and carry those signs, they should realize that they do have partial responsibility, because I believe that they're pretty much asking for it."

Yes. That would be correct.


The problem is that no one who has been raped is going to hit that guy - they've already been victimized.  He's going to get hit by someone who already has a propensity for violence in settling their difference of opinion.

So it's entirely likely when he does get his well-deserved stomp-down he'll be a victim of the same kind of person that rapes people.

Maybe it will make him help respect victims more, but I doubt it.
 
2013-04-26 12:03:07 AM  
Only a matter of time before this guy is arrested for actual sexual assault, probably of a minor.
 
2013-04-26 03:53:10 AM  
Ick. Check his crawl space and don't put him in touch with any primordial evil.
i.imgur.com
 
2013-04-26 04:47:51 AM  

ChipNASA: timujin: oldernell: OK by me as long as he is the rapee.

I have to say, were he raped, I wouldn't feel the least bit bad.  I would probably chortle a bit.

I said with his sign.....
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No problem. SOMEBODY should Rape Him. He's just *asking* for it. He's apparently offering. (i.e "Rape" is a verb, you deserve to be able to rape, or have rape or "get your rape on"....ergo......"COME AT ME BRO!!!!"


I, personally, find him to be quite the hotty. I also have a fantasy about taking someone's virginity. Were he to come and protest here in Sweden....? CHALLENGE ACCEPTED.
 
2013-04-26 05:46:43 AM  
Send him on a blind date with this here womyn:

i560.photobucket.com

They'd make such a lovely couple.
 
2013-04-26 10:00:59 AM  

magicgoo: Know this: It wasn't some intentional tease


To be fair, sometimes that's exactly what it is. I've known women who openly proclaimed to enjoy doing this to men.

Not saying they deserve rape of course. Just saying that sometimes they know precisely what they are doing and it is very intentional.
 
2013-04-26 01:27:51 PM  
If thine eye offend thee, pluck it out.
If you can't keep it under control, cut it off.
 
2013-04-26 08:34:42 PM  
No one deserves rape.
No one deserves sympathy for irresponsibility either.
 
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