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2013-04-25 04:16:17 PM

jackrazz: Here's the problem that I have with these "rape culture" arguments...

But point out that a female should avoid getting shiat-face drunk around a bunch of strange men . . . .

There IS such a thing as assumption of risk.  This by no means excuses a criminal, but why would you intentionally put yourself into a bad or dangerous situation?  Do you lock your doors at night before you go to bed?  How about locking your car when you walk away from it?  You do these things because it's dangerous not to do them.  Why would you then decide that it's a great idea to get plastered around a bunch of drunk strangers and hope that things will work out in the end?


So you're saying women can no longer look sexy when they go to parties. And, if they go to any party, they must assume they will be raped. So, by your logic, chicks can't go to parties and can never get drunk because it is those actions that make them get raped. No drinking. No dress-up. No high heels. No make-up. Because the NATURAL STATE of a man is uncontrollable rapist. Yeah, good luck with that.
 
2013-04-25 04:16:40 PM

ChipNASA: PROBLEM SOLVED.

Fit him with this.

[www.istudymedicine.com image 500x322]


You'd have to be pretty stupid to not be able to get out of that thing. Give me a pair of scissors and a plastic coke bottle and I could get out of that "device" in about 2 minutes.
 
2013-04-25 04:17:52 PM

mayIFark: I am seriously not trying to troll here. And as someone mentioned, it has nothing to do with how one dresses. In that case, end of the story.

My question is this, IF it increases the chance, would you go with it you cannot control it, its your fault, or rather, its your fault, but I am the one who has to suffer, so I should take precaution.

Why do we check people before boarding the plane, its their fault if they blow it up.



In other words, "I'm wrong, sure, but what if I were right?  What then?!"
 
2013-04-25 04:19:43 PM

magicgoo: The school is wrong; his words aren't protected. They incite a lawless/illegal action, and fall under the "fighting words" portion of the unprotected speech.If that were true saying you deserve to get kicked in the nuts would not be free speech.
Surely you understand the different between "incite" and "comment on" if you are going to be calling out a university as being wrong.


I understand the difference, but the beauty of the constitution is that it's all in the interpretation. I interpret his use of the word, "deserve," as he's actually going to rape someone, and if I were a student there, I'd be afraid of this guy raping me because I might wear a skirt one day. I could say that I was threatened by his sign, and use that as an argument to have him pulled off the university grounds. I doubt you can hold up a sign at an airport that says, "You all deserve to be bombed." Everyone at that airport would lose their shiat, instantly. The sign would be completely seen as a threat and not just a comment, thereby making it completely not protected by the First Amendment. The school could do something about it, but they're being lazy. It's just the usual, protected misogyny of good ol' Amurka. Oh and, btw, I don't have nuts, so I don't feel threatened by your comment and interpret it as a comment and nothing more.


Well the interpretation, fortunately, is not done by you.  It is done at the SCOTUS and they've pretty clearly defined that the words are provoking or inciting illegal action.  How words make you  feel is not an exception to the rule and you really should be advocating suppression of free speech because of it.


If you are going to reach and say that those words make you feel that he is going to do that to you let's go on to show what you believe:


"You deserve to go to hell":  He is going to put me on a bus and take me to hell.

"You deserve a break today":  They are going to come break my arm.  Or come to my work and relive me of my duties.

 
2013-04-25 04:20:50 PM

magicgoo: jackrazz: Here's the problem that I have with these "rape culture" arguments...

But point out that a female should avoid getting shiat-face drunk around a bunch of strange men . . . .

There IS such a thing as assumption of risk.  This by no means excuses a criminal, but why would you intentionally put yourself into a bad or dangerous situation?  Do you lock your doors at night before you go to bed?  How about locking your car when you walk away from it?  You do these things because it's dangerous not to do them.  Why would you then decide that it's a great idea to get plastered around a bunch of drunk strangers and hope that things will work out in the end?

So you're saying women can no longer look sexy when they go to parties. And, if they go to any party, they must assume they will be raped. So, by your logic, chicks can't go to parties and can never get drunk because it is those actions that make them get raped. No drinking. No dress-up. No high heels. No make-up. Because the NATURAL STATE of a man is uncontrollable rapist. Yeah, good luck with that.


images2.wikia.nocookie.net
What someone who doesn't want chicks to be at parties may look like.
 
2013-04-25 04:21:45 PM
jackrazz:

Here's the problem that I have with these "rape culture" arguments:
If a Klan member went into Harlem spouting his nonsense and got the shiat kicked out of him, we'd all say he was a moron and deserved it.
...There IS such a thing as assumption of risk.


BarkingUnicorn:
The problem I have with the "it's all the guy's fault" thing is that it limits women's ability to avoid getting raped.

OMG WAT.  You guys do understand that "avoiding getting raped" is NOT THE POTENTIAL VICTIM'S RESPONSIBILITY.  It IS all the guy (rapist)'s fault.  He could choose not to commit rape.  Just turn around, go home, not rape anybody.  Women do not have the obligation to live their lives wondering if they're avoiding being raped with sufficient zeal that it won't happen.

"Rape culture" means that they "assume risk" simply by being born a woman because that is the group targeted by the vast majority of rapists, and that is horribly wrong.

Jument:
Rape is a different sort of crime altogether but if a raping son-of-a-biatch doesn't know that you have a killer bod, just maybe he won't go all rapey.

I'm not even going to dignify that with a counter argument other than no, nope no, you are wrong...
 
2013-04-25 04:22:10 PM

mayIFark: Theaetetus: mayIFark:
The argument is invalid anyway: you're analogizing a risky behavior with no benefit for performing and no loss for avoiding, such as "leaving your door unlocked", with a common behavior with benefits that are lost if the behavior is avoided, namely wearing attractive clothing, drinking in public, participating as a full member in society, etc.  In other words, even if the behavior increased the chance of being raped,you have to compare the risk to the potential benefit: there is no or only a negligible benefit to leaving your door unlocked, but there is a substantial benefit to public socializing. By leaving out that comparison, the argument is invalid.

You are right here, and I accept the difference. Did not occur to me that, there could be benefits of dressing that way. However, to me, if I were a girl, the risk would still out-weight the benefit. Binge eating can be a lot of fun (benefit), but you can die from it (risk). To me, I would not binge eat, because the risk out-weights the benefit here. Is it not the case for dressing as well? (again, I could be wrong)


*sniff*  *sniff*

Smells like a concern troll to me.
 
2013-04-25 04:24:20 PM

jackrazz: There IS such a thing as assumption of risk.  This by no means excuses a criminal, but why would you intentionally put yourself into a bad or dangerous situation?  Do you lock your doors at night before you go to bed?  How about locking your car when you walk away from it?  You do these things because it's dangerous not to do them.  Why would you then decide that it's a great idea to get plastered around a bunch of drunk strangers and hope that things will work out in the end?


But if she knows everyone there, she can get plastered. No such thing as acquaintance or date rape, right?
 
2013-04-25 04:24:49 PM

Feral_and_Preposterous: ChipNASA: PROBLEM SOLVED.

Fit him with this.

[www.istudymedicine.com image 500x322]

You'd have to be pretty stupid to not be able to get out of that thing. Give me a pair of scissors and a plastic coke bottle and I could get out of that "device" in about 2 minutes.


I don't think that woman understands how a penis works or how easily that thing would be cut off if she thinks that will stay on.
 
2013-04-25 04:24:58 PM

I_Am_Weasel: Saxton, a junior studying classics and religious studies, said his sermon was meant to convey that "if you dress like a whore, act like a whore, you're probably going to get raped."

"I think that girls that dress and act like it," Saxton said, "they should realize that they do have partial responsibility, because I believe that they're pretty much asking for it."


I think what they meant was...

Saxton, an asshat, studying classics and religious studies, said his idiocy was meant to convey that "if you hold signs like a douche, act like a douche, you're probably going to get your ass kicked."

"I think that I'm a douche and act like it," Saxton said, "I should realize that I do have partial responsibility, because I believe that I'm pretty much asking for it."


Exactly what I was thinking. Would like to hold up another sign saying folks like him deserve an immediate ass-kicking.
 
2013-04-25 04:26:12 PM

timujin: oldernell: OK by me as long as he is the rapee.

I have to say, were he raped, I wouldn't feel the least bit bad.  I would probably chortle a bit.


this will change his perspective - nsfw
 
2013-04-25 04:26:24 PM

Jument: mayIFark: This is one topic that confuses me: I absolutely believe that it is not the woman's fault regardless of how dresses or acts or drinks or whatever.

Here is my question though, does those increase's one chance or not? In a perfect world it would not, but we live in a real world that is not perfect.

I believe it increases a woman's risk. You don't flash cash in a bad neighborhood, you lock your doors, etc. It's unfortunate that we must all take steps on a daily basis to help lower the risk that we will be a victim. Rape is a different sort of crime altogether but if a raping son-of-a-biatch doesn't know that you have a killer bod, just maybe he won't go all rapey.


I don't believe it really increases the risk of a "jump out of the bushes at the park" blitz attack / rape. I do believe it increases the chances of a "dickbag at the party doses you with rophenol" type rape. One is about laying in wait and seizing an opportunity when it presents itself, the other is about going out and finding a target and weasling your way up to her and slipping her a mickey. The latter offers the rapist a chance to be choosy and pick his target. Obviously he's going to choose a target that sexually excites him.

Doesn't make it the victim's fault. It's pretty obvious if you think about it, though.
 
2013-04-25 04:27:04 PM

CapeFearCadaver: https://twitter.com/brodeanIV/media/grid


His mother must be so proud... if his father hasn't beaten her to death yet.
 
2013-04-25 04:27:11 PM

kwame: Theaetetus: It's a common socialization behavior. Avoiding it makes you abnormal, which has a substantial penalty.

Oh, and no.  Not in any way whatsoever unless you are a complete social misfit, in which case your behavior as a drunk is probably even worse.


What the hell is your problem with alcohol?  Are you a recovering alcoholic or a Mormon or something?
 
2013-04-25 04:30:20 PM
You deserve rape, you deserve murder, you deserve arson, you deserve rape... - You said you deserve rape twice - I like people deserving of rape.
 
2013-04-25 04:30:51 PM

James!: So that's his problem, he needs to get laid.  Somebody needs to tell him that women do not want to hear that shiat. He needs to mellow out and leave the religious shiat at home.


something tells me one, if he thinks of women like this, no woman will want to f*ck him so, ironically, he's forever screwed.  and two, he doesn't give a sh*t what women want to hear.  he is basically advertising his fear of women and hate for himself.  let him.  you can't argue with a man who thinks he's right about this kind of thing.  he will dismiss and downplay to protect himself because he is so weak.  damn, his father failed him big time.
 
2013-04-25 04:32:39 PM
i.imgur.com

Sounds like a regular poster in 4chan's hourly "feminists~!" thread on /v/.
 
2013-04-25 04:32:49 PM

mayIFark: So, basically, what you are saying is, "women who does these behavior considers that the benefit of it out-weights the risk of rape". True or false?

/By the way, since I have found the missing piece that I was looking for (thank you), I do not see any reason I need to continue on this.


Yuppers.  Concern troll.  A step down from rape apologist.
 
Ehh
2013-04-25 04:32:52 PM

orclover: These guys completely agree with them.
[img.timeinc.net image 525x294]


But they probably disagree with him on the issue of wearing socks.
 
2013-04-25 04:33:38 PM
Who would Jesus rape?
 
2013-04-25 04:35:06 PM

IRQ12: magicgoo: The school is wrong; his words aren't protected. They incite a lawless/illegal action, and fall under the "fighting words" portion of the unprotected speech.If that were true saying you deserve to get kicked in the nuts would not be free speech.
Surely you understand the different between "incite" and "comment on" if you are going to be calling out a university as being wrong.

I understand the difference, but the beauty of the constitution is that it's all in the interpretation. I interpret his use of the word, "deserve," as he's actually going to rape someone, and if I were a student there, I'd be afraid of this guy raping me because I might wear a skirt one day. I could say that I was threatened by his sign, and use that as an argument to have him pulled off the university grounds. I doubt you can hold up a sign at an airport that says, "You all deserve to be bombed." Everyone at that airport would lose their shiat, instantly. The sign would be completely seen as a threat and not just a comment, thereby making it completely not protected by the First Amendment. The school could do something about it, but they're being lazy. It's just the usual, protected misogyny of good ol' Amurka. Oh and, btw, I don't have nuts, so I don't feel threatened by your comment and interpret it as a comment and nothing more.
Well the interpretation, fortunately, is not done by you.  It is done at the SCOTUS and they've pretty clearly defined that the words are provoking or inciting illegal action.  How words make you  feel is not an exception to the rule and you really should be advocating suppression of free speech because of it.
If you are going to reach and say that those words make you feel that he is going to do that to you let's go on to show what you believe:
"You deserve to go to hell":  He is going to put me on a bus and take me to hell."You deserve a break today":  They are going to come break my arm.  Or come to my work and relive me of my duties.


His sign makes him an advocate of an illegal act. My feelings would absolutely come in to play if I were a student there. I would feel threatened, and legally, that's all it would take to have him removed for fighting words/unprotected speech. I still say the school is not right. They're doing their own loose interpretation of what is covered. People throw "free speech" around as if it covers everything. If the words champion illegal acts, they are not protected. "Deserving to be raped," shows intent to rape. Last I checked, that whole rape thing was kind of illegal. Hell isn't illegal. You cannot use analogies that break the boundaries of what is real or not. Deserving a break may be taken as literally or figuratively, and throws it right back into those blurry lines that seem to be everywhere in the Constitution. As much as I despise the WBC, their words are protected as "Hell" isn't seen as real in the legal system. But for his sign, which is the only sign I'm referring to in this argument, it is unprotected speech because rape is real and is illegal.
 
2013-04-25 04:35:28 PM

ciberido: mayIFark: So, basically, what you are saying is, "women who does these behavior considers that the benefit of it out-weights the risk of rape". True or false?

/By the way, since I have found the missing piece that I was looking for (thank you), I do not see any reason I need to continue on this.

Yuppers.  Concern troll.  A step down from rape apologist.


... on the evolutionary ladder?
 
2013-04-25 04:35:28 PM
Ah.....so THERE is this "rape culture" I've been hearing about....it's THAT guy!

Good to know, remind me not to fall asleep when he's around.


/"Virgin pride", farking lulz.  I really do hope you're proud about it there guy, because it's pretty much guaranteed to continue.
 
2013-04-25 04:37:34 PM

jso2897: StrandedInAZ: Another UA grad piping in with my two cents...

It's gotten to the point where I hate to click anything labeled Arizona because it's always an awful story. There was a piece on 60 minutes a few weeks ago about a 16-year-old black boy who was railroaded for a fatal fire that happened in Tucson in 1970. He just got out of prison a couple of weeks ago, but not before they made him please no contest so he can't turn around and sue them for a false 42-year imprisonment.

Living in Southern AZ, I used to tell myself that at least I wasn't in Maricopa County. Now it's gotten to the point where I can't tell a difference between Southern AZ and the rest of this awful state. I have to get out of here.

Move to Jerome, or Sedona. Hang out with the Dinei. Stick to the open country - there's a lot of cool stuff in your state, and a few cool people. Be selective.


Thanks for the tip. I'm only here because my septuagenarian parents are here. I'd gladly stay for thirty more years if it meant they lived for 30 more, but that's unlikely. And once they are gone, I will leave the state. I have my eye on the Pacific NW.
 
2013-04-25 04:39:16 PM
Has ayone thought that maybe he's not exactly a troll in the WBC fasion of looking for lawsuits? Maybe he is a "performance artist" / troll bagging on christianity by taking it to its logical extreme. I read some of his blog and I have a hard time believing he actually believes all that he says, the whole dating a high school girl while in college thing and some of the other posts may just be satire because they push exactly the right buttons to get people going.


/of course I may be wrong, there are plenty of idiots in the world.
 
2013-04-25 04:41:48 PM
Someone needs to explain Ugol's law to this f*ckhat. But only after dropping him in the middle of the annual meeting of "guys who are really turned on by generic idiots with poorly-chosen glasses who act like morons in public".
 
2013-04-25 04:46:46 PM
www.explosm.net
 
2013-04-25 04:57:16 PM

Feral_and_Preposterous: Jument: mayIFark: This is one topic that confuses me: I absolutely believe that it is not the woman's fault regardless of how dresses or acts or drinks or whatever.

Here is my question though, does those increase's one chance or not? In a perfect world it would not, but we live in a real world that is not perfect.

I believe it increases a woman's risk. You don't flash cash in a bad neighborhood, you lock your doors, etc. It's unfortunate that we must all take steps on a daily basis to help lower the risk that we will be a victim. Rape is a different sort of crime altogether but if a raping son-of-a-biatch doesn't know that you have a killer bod, just maybe he won't go all rapey.

I don't believe it really increases the risk of a "jump out of the bushes at the park" blitz attack / rape. I do believe it increases the chances of a "dickbag at the party doses you with rophenol" type rape. One is about laying in wait and seizing an opportunity when it presents itself, the other is about going out and finding a target and weasling your way up to her and slipping her a mickey. The latter offers the rapist a chance to be choosy and pick his target. Obviously he's going to choose a target that sexually excites him.

Doesn't make it the victim's fault. It's pretty obvious if you think about it, though.


Isn't the whole thing that they're basically sexually excited by weak targets, regardless of physical appearance?
 
2013-04-25 04:59:22 PM

No Such Agency: BarkingUnicorn:
The problem I have with the "it's all the guy's fault" thing is that it limits women's ability to avoid getting raped.

OMG WAT.  You guys do understand that "avoiding getting raped" is NOT THE POTENTIAL VICTIM'S RESPONSIBILITY.


I'm more interested in women not getting raped than I am in whose responsibility it is.
 
2013-04-25 05:01:35 PM

magicgoo: ....
His sign makes him an advocate of an illegal act. My feelings would absolutely come in to play if I were a student there. I would feel threatened, and legally, that's all it would take to have him removed for fighting words/unprotected speech. I still say the school is not right. They're doing their own loose interpretation of what is covered. People throw "free speech" around as if it covers everything. If the words champion illegal acts, they are not protected. "Deserving to be raped," shows intent to rape. Last I checked, that whole rape thing was kind of illegal. Hell isn't illegal. You cannot use analogies that break the boundaries of what is real or not. Deserving a break may be taken as literally or figuratively, and throws it right back into those blurry lines that seem to be everywhere in the Constitution. As much as I despise the WBC, their words are protected as "Hell" isn't seen as real in the legal system. But for his sign, which is the only sign I'm referring to in this argument, it is unprotected speech because rape is real and is illegal.


Advocate, champion, etc, etc.  Those words are not synonyms for provoke or incite.  I know you really, really want them to be but they simply aren't and I highly doubt you would honestly feel threatened by his stupid sign.  Offended, yes and rightly so but threatened?  No way.


You'd probably laugh or talk shiat to him then go say you felt threatened because you don't like what he is saying, right after you snapped a picture for FB.

 
2013-04-25 05:03:01 PM
The things he must have been subjected to during potty training...
 
2013-04-25 05:06:13 PM
Theaetetus:


images2.wikia.nocookie.net

What someone who doesn't want chicks to be at parties may look like.


Haha, yeah, Theaetetus. But IF icky girls do happen to show up, Calvin and Hobbes are perfectly within their rights to rape the shiat out of said girls.

I think what party/date rape apologists can't get over is the "manly" idea that if a girl wants to go to a party and get laid, but she happens to turn them down for sex, their butthurt man feelings suddenly make it OK to take what they want. Guess what, sexist future rapists: It's not just you who went to a party looking to meet someone and it's not just you who might want to end the night with some sex. She might be there for that exact same reason. And, that's absolutely wonderful. And, if she wants to get a little shiat-faced, that's awesome, too. But, if she should decide to end any activity with any guy at ANY POINT, that is her right. Even if you buy a girl drinks, make out with her, and touch her in whatever places; even if she enjoys every second of every moment up until right now;  THE VERY MOMENT SHE SAYS, "STOP," is the goddamn moment you stop. Yes. Your balls will hurt, but so what? Yes, your man pride will get smashed into tiny pieces. So the fark what? Get over it. Stop and don't question it. Oh, but you want reasons, you say. Well. Maybe you did something that hurt her and she's too embarrassed to say so. Maybe you did nothing at all. Oh, here's one that'll hurt your feelings: Maybe you're just not the one she wanted after you two began to make dirty. Whatever the reason, you've got to get over it. That's the manly thing to do. Just walk away and swallow your pride and deal with the butthurt. Because you have zero rights to continue if she doesn't want to. Zero. Know this: It wasn't some intentional tease to hurt your sensitive nutsack. It wasn't some insider mission of evil girls to give you a boner and then skip away, laughing. It was just something she realized she didn't want and she has every right to stop it whenever she wants to. Get. Over. It.
 
2013-04-25 05:07:42 PM

BarkingUnicorn: I'm more interested in women not getting raped than I am in whose responsibility it is.


All things being equal.  Very few armed woman get raped, no matter how slutty they dress.

/Am I trolling this correctly to get the gun people in here too?
 
2013-04-25 05:09:49 PM

IRQ12: magicgoo: ....
His sign makes him an advocate of an illegal act. My feelings would absolutely come in to play if I were a student there. I would feel threatened, and legally, that's all it would take to have him removed for fighting words/unprotected speech. I still say the school is not right. They're doing their own loose interpretation of what is covered. People throw "free speech" around as if it covers everything. If the words champion illegal acts, they are not protected. "Deserving to be raped," shows intent to rape. Last I checked, that whole rape thing was kind of illegal. Hell isn't illegal. You cannot use analogies that break the boundaries of what is real or not. Deserving a break may be taken as literally or figuratively, and throws it right back into those blurry lines that seem to be everywhere in the Constitution. As much as I despise the WBC, their words are protected as "Hell" isn't seen as real in the legal system. But for his sign, which is the only sign I'm referring to in this argument, it is unprotected speech because rape is real and is illegal.
Advocate, champion, etc, etc.  Those words are not synonyms for provoke or incite.  I know you really, really want them to be but they simply aren't and I highly doubt you would honestly feel threatened by his stupid sign.  Offended, yes and rightly so but threatened?  No way.
You'd probably laugh or talk shiat to him then go say you felt threatened because you don't like what he is saying, right after you snapped a picture for FB.


OK, fine. You caught me. Offended, no. Picture for Facebook, hell yes. And threatened, actually still yes. I'm 5', 105 lbs. I'm pretty much easily threatened by chihuahuas with boners.
 
2013-04-25 05:11:21 PM

puckmunch: Who would Jesus rape?


Peter. Duh!

"Cock's crowing, biatch! Deny this three times!"
 
2013-04-25 05:12:17 PM

magicgoo: So you're saying women can no longer look sexy when they go to parties. And, if they go to any party, they must assume they will be raped. So, by your logic, chicks can't go to parties and can never get drunk because it is those actions that make them get raped. No drinking. No dress-up. No high heels. No make-up. Because the NATURAL STATE of a man is uncontrollable rapist. Yeah, good luck with that.


Actually, yes.  We're not so far removed from tribal hunting-gathering as we like to pretend.  There will always be people who seek to assert dominance over over those perceived to be weaker as a show of superiority, and every male, to an extent, has this hard-wired into his DNA.  It's basically the "Alpha Male" and "Beta Male" dynamic.  Some people will do whatever they want, to whomever they want, as long as it increases (or seems to increase) they're own personal power.  This is how human society has worked since the dawn of time.  We do a better job of dressing it up like civilization these days, but don't delude yourself into thinking for one second that there are still plenty of people out there who would happily piss on your corpse if it got them some sort of personal advantage.  Ignoring that is both foolish and dangerous.
 
2013-04-25 05:13:05 PM

MonoChango: BarkingUnicorn: I'm more interested in women not getting raped than I am in whose responsibility it is.

All things being equal.  Very few armed woman get raped, no matter how slutty they dress.

/Am I trolling this correctly to get the gun people in here too?


I'd be interested in hard data on that.  If it's true, fine with me.
 
2013-04-25 05:14:29 PM
magicgoo:  Know this: It wasn't some intentional tease to hurt your sensitive nutsack. It wasn't some insider mission of evil girls to give you a boner and then skip away, laughing.

Wouldn't even matter if it did -- the proper response to that would not be rape either.
 
2013-04-25 05:15:44 PM

MonoChango: BarkingUnicorn: I'm more interested in women not getting raped than I am in whose responsibility it is.

All things being equal.  Very few armed woman get raped, no matter how slutty they dress.
/Am I trolling this correctly to get the gun people in here too?


You need to add a little more to it like this:  "If a fetus didn't dress so slutty (totally naked!), and if it carried a gun, it wouldn't get raped all the time."
 
2013-04-25 05:22:14 PM

magicgoo: His sign makes him an advocate of an illegal act. My feelings would absolutely come in to play if I were a student there. I would feel threatened, and legally, that's all it would take to have him removed for fighting words/unprotected speech. I still say the school is not right. They're doing their own loose interpretation of what is covered. People throw "free speech" around as if it covers everything. If the words champion illegal acts, they are not protected.


Uh, no.  If that were the case, NORML would be in prison.
 
2013-04-25 05:25:18 PM

elchupacabra: magicgoo: His sign makes him an advocate of an illegal act. My feelings would absolutely come in to play if I were a student there. I would feel threatened, and legally, that's all it would take to have him removed for fighting words/unprotected speech. I still say the school is not right. They're doing their own loose interpretation of what is covered. People throw "free speech" around as if it covers everything. If the words champion illegal acts, they are not protected.

Uh, no.  If that were the case, NORML would be in prison.


Forget NORML, look at NAMBLA.
 
2013-04-25 05:26:53 PM

gunga galunga: elchupacabra: magicgoo: His sign makes him an advocate of an illegal act. My feelings would absolutely come in to play if I were a student there. I would feel threatened, and legally, that's all it would take to have him removed for fighting words/unprotected speech. I still say the school is not right. They're doing their own loose interpretation of what is covered. People throw "free speech" around as if it covers everything. If the words champion illegal acts, they are not protected.

Uh, no.  If that were the case, NORML would be in prison.

Forget NORML, look at NAMBLA.


Ugh, I try not to.
 
2013-04-25 05:50:38 PM

elchupacabra: Feral_and_Preposterous: Jument: mayIFark: This is one topic that confuses me: I absolutely believe that it is not the woman's fault regardless of how dresses or acts or drinks or whatever.

Here is my question though, does those increase's one chance or not? In a perfect world it would not, but we live in a real world that is not perfect.

I believe it increases a woman's risk. You don't flash cash in a bad neighborhood, you lock your doors, etc. It's unfortunate that we must all take steps on a daily basis to help lower the risk that we will be a victim. Rape is a different sort of crime altogether but if a raping son-of-a-biatch doesn't know that you have a killer bod, just maybe he won't go all rapey.

I don't believe it really increases the risk of a "jump out of the bushes at the park" blitz attack / rape. I do believe it increases the chances of a "dickbag at the party doses you with rophenol" type rape. One is about laying in wait and seizing an opportunity when it presents itself, the other is about going out and finding a target and weasling your way up to her and slipping her a mickey. The latter offers the rapist a chance to be choosy and pick his target. Obviously he's going to choose a target that sexually excites him.

Doesn't make it the victim's fault. It's pretty obvious if you think about it, though.

Isn't the whole thing that they're basically sexually excited by weak targets, regardless of physical appearance?


Maybe. You'd have to ask a rapist I guess. But all other things being equal, is he going to get rapey on a women who's wearing a shapeless burlap sack or a women who's dressed like Pretty Woman? I don't know, not being a sick fark, but I'm going to assume that the relative level of hotness is going to play some part in his target selection.

Of course, I am talking out my ass but this is Fark where I'm allowed to be an armchair expert if I don't feel like working.
 
2013-04-25 05:53:08 PM
10/10 Would rape.
 
2013-04-25 06:06:29 PM
Not only did my Alma Mater make Fark, it has its own tag? Wow!

I remember a Mall preacher during my years at the U of A ('88-'92) that called himself "Y'shua 666 Israel" or something like it. If I recall correctly he even 'crucified' his kids on real crosses (tied to them, not nailed) once to get attention.

I remember another nutjob yelling at the sorority "sluts", calling them whores, for wearing revealing clothing. Not like it was Tucson in the spring where it was like 100 degrees or anything.

Glad to see some Wildcat traditions live on!
 
2013-04-25 06:10:33 PM
ciberido: One of the interesting things about a society in which rapists are convicted and put in prison and in which we have lots of social scientists who love to study human behavior is we actually have scientific answers to that age-old question.   And the scientific answer is no, dressing in a "slutty" fashion has nothing to do with your chance of being raped.

So now that we have that answer, rape apologists, being the intellectually-honest folks they are, can stop using that justification.

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2013-04-25 06:16:07 PM

MonoChango: BarkingUnicorn: I'm more interested in women not getting raped than I am in whose responsibility it is.

All things being equal.  Very few armed woman get raped, no matter how slutty they dress.

/Am I trolling this correctly to get the gun people in here too?


With that crowd, it usually helps to use pictures - they aren't highly verbal.
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2013-04-25 06:18:25 PM

elchupacabra: gunga galunga: elchupacabra: magicgoo: His sign makes him an advocate of an illegal act. My feelings would absolutely come in to play if I were a student there. I would feel threatened, and legally, that's all it would take to have him removed for fighting words/unprotected speech. I still say the school is not right. They're doing their own loose interpretation of what is covered. People throw "free speech" around as if it covers everything. If the words champion illegal acts, they are not protected.

Uh, no.  If that were the case, NORML would be in prison.

Forget NORML, look at NAMBLA.

Ugh, I try not to.


Do those assholes even exist anymore?

/sure as fark not going to google them
 
2013-04-25 06:19:57 PM

Lady Indica: ciberido: One of the interesting things about a society in which rapists are convicted and put in prison and in which we have lots of social scientists who love to study human behavior is we actually have scientific answers to that age-old question.   And the scientific answer is no, dressing in a "slutty" fashion has nothing to do with your chance of being raped.

So now that we have that answer, rape apologists, being the intellectually-honest folks they are, can stop using that justification.

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What sort of rape scenarios did this science study?  Rape may be rape, but it occurs in different contexts.
 
2013-04-25 06:20:45 PM
Dressing slutty may not increase your chances of getting raped. But it doesn't hurt.
 
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