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2013-04-25 03:00:52 PM  
Is it some sort of federal requirement that every college campus in the U.S. have one of these guys?

/Over at my alma mater, UIUC, he goes by the name Preacher Dan.
//Just as big a douche as this guy, too.
 
2013-04-25 03:02:21 PM  

CygnusDarius: Geez, it's been years since I've been to the ASU, and the last time I was there I didn't saw any douchebags like this guy.

/Not from ASU, though
//I'm an Owl :D


No, you're a swan.
Sawing douchebags would tend to get messy.
 
2013-04-25 03:09:22 PM  

ChipNASA: The My Little Pony Killer: BillDozer357: I know it's stupid-simple, but I can't help but chuckle at the "You Deserve Grape" sign.

It's the shiat-eating grin on the face of the guy holding it.  I can't help but smile back at him.

It would be HELLA FUNNY if he was wearing THIS...

[genedoe.files.wordpress.com image 350x350]


NSFW LINK - Graped in the mouth!
 
2013-04-25 03:09:49 PM  

Diogenes: Same mentality you see in conservative Islam.  Men can't keep it under control and in their pants, so the woman must conceal her body.

Sorry, your lack of control is your problem.  Not another's.


That's relevant for assigning blame after the fact, does absolutely nothing for prevention.

"Hey motorcycle guy, why didn't you stop for that car?"
"Because I had the right of way.  It was his fault."
"You're in the hospital in a full-body cast.  He got a busted fender."
"... but I had the right of way."
 
2013-04-25 03:10:58 PM  
I'm of two schools of thought here.

Blaming a woman's choice in attire for her rape is like blaming a rich man's walking drunk through Harlem at 1 AM for his mugging.

also...

I want to walk up to him and say, "Dress provocatively: get raped:: carry provocative signs: a punch in the nose,"

..and let fly.
 
2013-04-25 03:11:00 PM  
To paraphrase Dave Chappelle, "Dressing that way does NOT make you a whore... but you are wearing a whore's uniform"
 
2013-04-25 03:12:01 PM  

demaL-demaL-yeH: CygnusDarius: Geez, it's been years since I've been to the ASU, and the last time I was there I didn't saw any douchebags like this guy.

/Not from ASU, though
//I'm an Owl :D

No, you're a swan.
Sawing douchebags would tend to get messy.


You're always gonna have problems lifting a douchebag in one piece. Apparently the best thing to do is cut up a corpse into six pieces and pile it all together.

And when you got your six pieces, you gotta get rid of them, because it's no good leaving it in the deep freeze for your mum to discover, now is it? Then I hear the best thing to do is feed them to pigs. You got to starve the pigs for a few days, then the sight of a chopped-up body will look like curry to a pisshead. You gotta shave the heads of your victims, and pull the teeth out for the sake of the piggies' digestion. You could do this afterwards, of course, but you don't want to go sievin' through pig shiat, now do you? They will go through bone like butter. You need at least sixteen pigs to finish the job in one sitting, so be wary of any man who keeps a pig farm. They will go through a body that weighs 200 pounds in about eight minutes. That means that a single pig can consume two pounds of uncooked flesh every minute. Hence the expression, "as greedy as a pig".
 
2013-04-25 03:15:40 PM  

CygnusDarius: demaL-demaL-yeH: CygnusDarius: Geez, it's been years since I've been to the ASU, and the last time I was there I didn't saw any douchebags like this guy.

/Not from ASU, though
//I'm an Owl :D

No, you're a swan.
Sawing douchebags would tend to get messy.

You're always gonna have problems lifting a douchebag in one piece. Apparently the best thing to do is cut up a corpse into six pieces and pile it all together.

And when you got your six pieces, you gotta get rid of them, because it's no good leaving it in the deep freeze for your mum to discover, now is it? Then I hear the best thing to do is feed them to pigs. You got to starve the pigs for a few days, then the sight of a chopped-up body will look like curry to a pisshead. You gotta shave the heads of your victims, and pull the teeth out for the sake of the piggies' digestion. You could do this afterwards, of course, but you don't want to go sievin' through pig shiat, now do you? They will go through bone like butter. You need at least sixteen pigs to finish the job in one sitting, so be wary of any man who keeps a pig farm. They will go through a body that weighs 200 pounds in about eight minutes. That means that a single pig can consume two pounds of uncooked flesh every minute. Hence the expression, "as greedy as a pig".


Umm......... so you're saying it was too hot out for you to saw douchebags on the ASU campus?
 
2013-04-25 03:15:59 PM  
By his logic, attractive women "deserve rape" more so than unattractive women, regardless of how they're dressed.
 
2013-04-25 03:19:47 PM  
I would love to see the "she was asking for it" defense get used in other criminal cases:

"He was rich in a bad area of town, he practically had 'rob me' written all over him! I tried to walk the straight and narrow, but comeon, he was wearing a Breitling watch! What was I supposed to do?"

"He left a Honda Accord unlocked! Really? The most stolen car in America? It would have been lame Not to steal it! If he didn't want it stolen, he should drive a different car!"

/Just because a crime was easy or attractive, doesn't make it any less of a crime. The victim can't be held responsible for the criminal's lack of self control.
 
2013-04-25 03:20:38 PM  

demaL-demaL-yeH: Umm......... so you're saying it was too hot out for you to saw douchebags on the ASU campus?


Well, Phoenix is not so close to the beach as Hermosillo, and I know no pig farms in Phoenix, so there.

/And why am I a Swan?
 
2013-04-25 03:21:08 PM  

Christian Bale: What's amazing is that the University says this guy's first-amendment rights trump everything else. If he were a stupid, he would be kicked out of school for "creating a  hostile learning environment" and as such, he would be banned from campus. Why they can't ban this guy from campus just because he was never a student, I don't know.


Universities have a history of supporting a certain amount of free speech zones. Not sure how far back this went, but certainly to 60s and 70s. Probably gained steam around the kent state murders.

as to the "just ignore them", "dont give them any attention" ....
I worry about that mindset. How much evil has been done in the world because some asshole didnt get paid enough attention until it was too late?
It can be a nasty catch-22.
 
2013-04-25 03:21:46 PM  

Private_Citizen: I would love to see the "she was asking for it" defense get used in other criminal cases:

"He was rich in a bad area of town, he practically had 'rob me' written all over him! I tried to walk the straight and narrow, but comeon, he was wearing a Breitling watch! What was I supposed to do?"

"He left a Honda Accord unlocked! Really? The most stolen car in America? It would have been lame Not to steal it! If he didn't want it stolen, he should drive a different car!"

/Just because a crime was easy or attractive, doesn't make it any less of a crime. The victim can't be held responsible for the criminal's lack of self control.


THIS
PERIOD
 
2013-04-25 03:23:53 PM  
We had one of these guys where I went to school.  His deal was white power and racism.  Sometimes these things have a way of sorting themselves out.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthew_F._Hale

Ironically, as loud as he was when handing out flyers, he was as quiet as a bug in all of the classes I had with him.
 
2013-04-25 03:27:57 PM  

mayIFark: This is one topic that confuses me: I absolutely believe that it is not the woman's fault regardless of how dresses or acts or drinks or whatever.
...
Now, I don't know for sure, if any of those behavior actually increases the chance or not. If it does not, the whole argument is invalid.


It's certainly a fair question.  The answer likely lies in the fact that rapists (at least the random stranger kind) tend to focus on opportunity, vulnerability of the victim, and the violent impulse that takes over.  Looks really don't have anything to do with it.  I doubt an ugly woman is statistically any safer walking down a dangerous street than a pretty one.

Rapists see women as objects of anger, hate, or resentment.  Rape is an expression of that negativity and doesn't really have much to do with actual physical attraction.

While it may be true that a perceived sexual availability may be a risk factor in sexual assault by an acquaintance, I doubt that even in those cases it's the primary motivator.  There are underlying behaviours and attitudes on the part of the offender that I suspect would put "how she was dressed" completely out of any relevance in determining a motive or impetus for rape.

That dirty little perv-voice that pops in our heads when we see a hot girl in tight clothes is different from the ever-present rage that simmers in a rapist.  Just the presence of the victim is all the trigger that's required, regardless of looks.

In short, I think it's unlikely that women would be at any meaningfully higher risk of sexual assault from their day-to-day choice of clothing or appearance.
 
2013-04-25 03:28:54 PM  

Private_Citizen: I would love to see the "she was asking for it" defense get used in other criminal cases:

"He was rich in a bad area of town, he practically had 'rob me' written all over him! I tried to walk the straight and narrow, but comeon, he was wearing a Breitling watch! What was I supposed to do?"

"He left a Honda Accord unlocked! Really? The most stolen car in America? It would have been lame Not to steal it! If he didn't want it stolen, he should drive a different car!"

/Just because a crime was easy or attractive, doesn't make it any less of a crime. The victim can't be held responsible for the criminal's lack of self control.


He may have been too drunk to speak, but he very clearly said it was OK if I emptied his wallet and bank account. Clearly, he's having second thoughts about his giving nature; why should I be made to suffer because he regrets giving me a gift?

// some richers rob easy
 
2013-04-25 03:32:34 PM  
This makes me sad. I can't get angry about this shiat anymore - it's bloody exhausting. I don't think I'd have the strength to try to reason with him. I am, however, happily imagining myself following him eveywhere, holding a sign that reads, "This guy is an asshole."
 
2013-04-25 03:33:24 PM  

kwame: Theaetetus: kwame: the problem is the claim that there are substantial benefits.  No doubt, alcohol is a social lubricant.

E.g. a substantial benefit. Yes, I agree completely. Thank you.

So you're going to drop the physiological benefits claim and you're going to ignore that you claimed multiple benefits just so you can look like you were right?


You already agreed that I was right. Not sure what you're still arguing about.

/[control-f] "physiological"...  really have no idea what you're still arguing about
 
2013-04-25 03:33:30 PM  

JNowe: That's relevant for assigning blame after the fact, does absolutely nothing for prevention.

"Hey motorcycle guy, why didn't you stop for that car?"
"Because I had the right of way.  It was his fault."
"You're in the hospital in a full-body cast.  He got a busted fender."
"... but I had the right of way."


Nope.  The correct metaphor would be:

"Hey motorcycle guy, why weren't you able to flee from that car that was deliberately trying to hit you?"

Defensive driving won't protect you from being intentionally smashed-into.
 
2013-04-25 03:35:30 PM  
Religion: letting the hateful and stupid hide behind the skits of their god.
 
2013-04-25 03:37:38 PM  

Christian Bale: What's amazing is that the University says this guy's first-amendment rights trump everything else. If he were a stupid, he would be kicked out of school for "creating a  hostile learning environment" and as such, he would be banned from campus. Why they can't ban this guy from campus just because he was never a student, I don't know.


Mall is a public forum, government property designated for public expression. The school could expel a student but still could not ban the former student from using the forum.  A private school might be able to ban objectionable speakers.
 
2013-04-25 03:37:46 PM  

JNowe: Diogenes: Same mentality you see in conservative Islam.  Men can't keep it under control and in their pants, so the woman must conceal her body.

Sorry, your lack of control is your problem.  Not another's.

That's relevant for assigning blame after the fact, does absolutely nothing for prevention.

"Hey motorcycle guy, why didn't you stop for that car?"
"Because I had the right of way.  It was his fault."
"You're in the hospital in a full-body cast.  He got a busted fender."
"... but I had the right of way."


"Mr Dent, do you have any idea how much damage this bulldozer will sustain if I just let it run over you?"
"How much?"
"None at all."
 
2013-04-25 03:38:42 PM  
It's always amusing to me that college educated adults don't get the simplest of concepts like free speech.
 
2013-04-25 03:38:46 PM  
The school is wrong; his words aren't protected. They incite a lawless/illegal action, and fall under the "fighting words" portion of the unprotected speech.
 
2013-04-25 03:41:27 PM  

CygnusDarius: demaL-demaL-yeH: Umm......... so you're saying it was too hot out for you to saw douchebags on the ASU campus?

Well, Phoenix is not so close to the beach as Hermosillo, and I know no pig farms in Phoenix, so there.

/And why am I a Swan?


Cygnus. Please.
 
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2013-04-25 03:43:06 PM  
pbs.twimg.com

The irony is that when he dies, Jesus will have that EXACT same sign and the EXACT same facial expression!
 
2013-04-25 03:43:40 PM  
That guy is sooooo far into the closet he's dancing with Mr. Tumnus.
 
2013-04-25 03:44:15 PM  
Here's the problem that I have with these "rape culture" arguments:

If a Klan member went into Harlem spouting his nonsense and got the shiat kicked out of him, we'd all say he was a moron and deserved it.

If a person went into a bar and spent all night mocking a clearly larger person and got the shiat kicked out of himself, we'd all say he was a moron and deserved it.

If a person got stinking drunk and loudly wandered around a bad area of town at 2:00 a.m. with visible money sticking out of his pocket and got robbed and had the shiat kicked out of him, we'd all say he was a moron and deserved it.

But point out that a female should avoid getting shiat-face drunk around a bunch of strange men . . . .

There IS such a thing as assumption of risk.  This by no means excuses a criminal, but why would you intentionally put yourself into a bad or dangerous situation?  Do you lock your doors at night before you go to bed?  How about locking your car when you walk away from it?  You do these things because it's dangerous not to do them.  Why would you then decide that it's a great idea to get plastered around a bunch of drunk strangers and hope that things will work out in the end?
 
2013-04-25 03:45:16 PM  

Because People in power are Stupid: Oh yes, my alma mater replete with angry Mall preachers. (The grass strip between buildings is called "the Mall").

Once I was confronted by a group of roving Christians:

Me- "How does anyone know for certain that God  exists?"
Head Pastor -"If you pray to God he will make himself known to you"
Me - grasps hands and prays "Dear Jesus, please let yourself be known to me for truth is more important than ignorance"
The group of roving x-tians look at me with their eyes wide. They were expecting a miracle.
Me -shrugs "Nope"


I dunno. Things have fallen off since Yeshua 666 stopped preaching. Commitment is getting 666 tattooed to your forehead before you embark on a career of yelling incoherently at bemused students.
 
2013-04-25 03:46:48 PM  

Theaetetus: /[control-f] "physiological"... really have no idea what you're still arguing about


Because the moderator deleted both your and my posts about it.

It's nice to see they still arbitrarily enforce rules when they feel like it.
 
2013-04-25 03:47:10 PM  
This may sound offensive but I do believe there are different "levels" of rape.

There's the kind where a man attacks a random woman on a sidewalk at night and forces himself upon her.

Then there is the kind where a sorority girl dresses like a slut, gets drunk at a frat party doing jell-o shots off a guy's chest, and then says she had non-consensual sex in his bedroom. Is she still a victim? Perhaps, but there is definitely more to the story.
 
2013-04-25 03:47:38 PM  

magicgoo:

The school is wrong; his words aren't protected. They incite a lawless/illegal action, and fall under the "fighting words" portion of the unprotected speech.

If that were true saying you deserve to get kicked in the nuts would not be free speech.


Surely you understand the different between "incite" and "comment on" if you are going to be calling out a university as being wrong.

 
2013-04-25 03:48:00 PM  

DeathCipris: ChipNASA: The My Little Pony Killer: BillDozer357: I know it's stupid-simple, but I can't help but chuckle at the "You Deserve Grape" sign.

It's the shiat-eating grin on the face of the guy holding it.  I can't help but smile back at him.

It would be HELLA FUNNY if he was wearing THIS...

[genedoe.files.wordpress.com image 350x350]

NSFW LINK - Graped in the mouth!


That's why consensus is a bad thing.
 
2013-04-25 03:49:25 PM  
BillDozer357:
I know it's stupid-simple, but I can't help but chuckle at the "You Deserve Grape" sign.

I would go and buy a bunch of tape, and stand beside him offering pieces of it to passersby.  "You deserve tape!"  Make it into a competition.

... except that this isn't at all funny and telling women they deserve rape for how they dress is hate speech: the equivalent of telling gays they deserve to be bashed if they act flouncy.  Here in Canada this guy could be arrested for promoting violence (rape) against an identifiable group (women).
 
2013-04-25 03:49:58 PM  

jackrazz: Here's the problem that I have with these "rape culture" arguments:

If a Klan member went into Harlem spouting his nonsense and got the shiat kicked out of him, we'd all say he was a moron and deserved it.

If a person went into a bar and spent all night mocking a clearly larger person and got the shiat kicked out of himself, we'd all say he was a moron and deserved it.

If a person got stinking drunk and loudly wandered around a bad area of town at 2:00 a.m. with visible money sticking out of his pocket and got robbed and had the shiat kicked out of him, we'd all say he was a moron and deserved it.

But point out that a female should avoid getting shiat-face drunk around a bunch of strange men . . . .

There IS such a thing as assumption of risk.  This by no means excuses a criminal, but why would you intentionally put yourself into a bad or dangerous situation?  Do you lock your doors at night before you go to bed?  How about locking your car when you walk away from it?  You do these things because it's dangerous not to do them.  Why would you then decide that it's a great idea to get plastered around a bunch of drunk strangers and hope that things will work out in the end?


The problem I have with the "it's all the guy's fault" thing is that it limits women's ability to avoid getting raped.
 
2013-04-25 03:50:04 PM  

zedster: Because People in power are Stupid: Oh yes, my alma mater replete with angry Mall preachers. (The grass strip between buildings is called "the Mall").

Oh Brother Jed, splits his time between UA in the winter and UW-Madison in the summer.
Lead to my friend always yelling "WHERE IS JESUS WHEN IT'S -10*?" when he passed him.

Once asked him what his shirt was made of, he said "polyester and cotton." I told him he wore a tunic made of two cloth and the bible said I must stone him to death. He flipped the fark out saying that part of the bible didn't apply to him, it was fun


I think this is the guy who was on my campus once yelling about how homos are going to hell. A lesbian punched him in the face. It was awesome.
 
2013-04-25 03:50:57 PM  
I liked you so much when you were playing for University of Florida - I guess when you've got bad mechanics you end up at the University of Arizona.

Wait, is this the right guy?
 
2013-04-25 03:51:30 PM  
What's his Fark handle?
 
2013-04-25 03:52:03 PM  

Because People in power are Stupid: Oh yes, my alma mater replete with angry Mall preachers. (The grass strip between buildings is called "the Mall").

Once I was confronted by a group of roving Christians:

Me- "How does anyone know for certain that God  exists?"
Head Pastor -"If you pray to God he will make himself known to you"
Me - grasps hands and prays "Dear Jesus, please let yourself be known to me for truth is more important than ignorance"
The group of roving x-tians look at me with their eyes wide. They were expecting a miracle.
Me -shrugs "Nope"



25.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-04-25 03:53:40 PM  

Private_Citizen: I would love to see the "she was asking for it" defense get used in other criminal cases:

"He was rich in a bad area of town, he practically had 'rob me' written all over him! I tried to walk the straight and narrow, but comeon, he was wearing a Breitling watch! What was I supposed to do?"

"He left a Honda Accord unlocked! Really? The most stolen car in America? It would have been lame Not to steal it! If he didn't want it stolen, he should drive a different car!"

/Just because a crime was easy or attractive, doesn't make it any less of a crime. The victim can't be held responsible for the criminal's lack of self control.


That's patently untrue.  There are innumerable cases in the USA of victims of crime being blamed at least partially.

For instance, if your car is stolen and it was unlocked, you are partly responsible.  If the car was then used in a drive by shooting, you are legally partially liable for damages.

If, for instance, you had a padlock on your fence gate, but it was unlocked.  A "person"(thief) comes on your property and hurts themselves.  You are now partially liable for damages, even though the damage took place during a crime, but you didn't take "reasonable" measures to stop the crime, so pony up.

Its the same with car accidents, you can be guilty of an infraction because someone else hit you.  If you don't take "reasonable" action to avoid it.

There is basically nothing in the legal system that is black and white.  There are shades and if they don't exist yet, a good lawyer can create them.
 
2013-04-25 03:53:55 PM  
PROBLEM SOLVED.

Fit him with this.


www.istudymedicine.com
 
2013-04-25 03:53:56 PM  

scottydoesntknow: He also makes their signs look professional by comparison. Did he spend a whole 25 seconds creating that thing? It's embarrassing. No flames or pictures of the hooded rape guy or rape Lincoln.

Zero creativity.


I agree. All he had to do was print out the You Gonna Get Raped guy and get that blown up into a legible size, then he could offend women and all black people all on one sign.

Lazy.
 
2013-04-25 03:54:15 PM  
I give it a week before his Grindr profile info is posted online.
 
2013-04-25 03:59:16 PM  

IRQ12: magicgoo: The school is wrong; his words aren't protected. They incite a lawless/illegal action, and fall under the "fighting words" portion of the unprotected speech.If that were true saying you deserve to get kicked in the nuts would not be free speech.
Surely you understand the different between "incite" and "comment on" if you are going to be calling out a university as being wrong.


I understand the difference, but the beauty of the constitution is that it's all in the interpretation. I interpret his use of the word, "deserve," as he's actually going to rape someone, and if I were a student there, I'd be afraid of this guy raping me because I might wear a skirt one day. I could say that I was threatened by his sign, and use that as an argument to have him pulled off the university grounds. I doubt you can hold up a sign at an airport that says, "You all deserve to be bombed." Everyone at that airport would lose their shiat, instantly. The sign would be completely seen as a threat and not just a comment, thereby making it completely not protected by the First Amendment. The school could do something about it, but they're being lazy. It's just the usual, protected misogyny of good ol' Amurka. Oh and, btw, I don't have nuts, so I don't feel threatened by your comment and interpret it as a comment and nothing more.
 
2013-04-25 04:00:22 PM  

mayIFark: This is one topic that confuses me: I absolutely believe that it is not the woman's fault regardless of how dresses or acts or drinks or whatever.

Here is my question though, does those increase's one chance or not? In a perfect world it would not, but we live in a real world that is not perfect.

Who's fault it is, is after the fact (and we know for sure who's fault it is, just to emphasis, there is no question there). But that will not change the fact about the trouble that one have to go through.

Basically, if you keep the door open and things get stolen, it is still thief's fault, but you could reduce that chance by locking that door. Because, at the end of the day, you are the one who lost items.

Now, I don't know for sure, if any of those behavior actually increases the chance or not. If it does not, the whole argument is invalid.


The thing to remember here is that the open door/clothing situation is not equivalent.

An open door is the same as every other open door and if someone is a thief and checks your door, you will get robbed.

But ANY clothing choice a person makes is attractive to SOMEONE. If you make what the victim wears the basis of "reducing the chance" then you end up in burkas, and even THOSE are attractive to someone. Therefore, you remove clothing choice as a possibility of being used as an excuse, since *anything* a woman wears could be considered attractive by someone.
 
2013-04-25 04:04:15 PM  
No one deserves to be punched in the face for expressing their opinion. But this guy deserves it more than women deserve to get raped.
 
2013-04-25 04:05:25 PM  

mayIFark: This is one topic that confuses me: I absolutely believe that it is not the woman's fault regardless of how dresses or acts or drinks or whatever.

Here is my question though, does those increase's one chance or not? In a perfect world it would not, but we live in a real world that is not perfect.


I believe it increases a woman's risk. You don't flash cash in a bad neighborhood, you lock your doors, etc. It's unfortunate that we must all take steps on a daily basis to help lower the risk that we will be a victim. Rape is a different sort of crime altogether but if a raping son-of-a-biatch doesn't know that you have a killer bod, just maybe he won't go all rapey.
 
2013-04-25 04:05:46 PM  

demaL-demaL-yeH: CygnusDarius: demaL-demaL-yeH: Umm......... so you're saying it was too hot out for you to saw douchebags on the ASU campus?

Well, Phoenix is not so close to the beach as Hermosillo, and I know no pig farms in Phoenix, so there.

/And why am I a Swan?

Cygnus. Please.


*facepalm*

Should've seen that one coming.

/I guess AthenaDarius doesn't have the same ring to it.
 
2013-04-25 04:11:24 PM  

kwame: Theaetetus: /[control-f] "physiological"... really have no idea what you're still arguing about

Because the moderator deleted both your and my posts about it.

It's nice to see they still arbitrarily enforce rules when they feel like it.


Well, far be it from me to gaslight you. The important thing to remember here is that I was right and you agreed. Cheers.
 
2013-04-25 04:14:57 PM  

mayIFark: This is one topic that confuses me: I absolutely believe that it is not the woman's fault regardless of how dresses or acts or drinks or whatever.

Here is my question though, does those increase's one chance or not? In a perfect world it would not, but we live in a real world that is not perfect.

Who's fault it is, is after the fact (and we know for sure who's fault it is, just to emphasis, there is no question there). But that will not change the fact about the trouble that one have to go through.

Basically, if you keep the door open and things get stolen, it is still thief's fault, but you could reduce that chance by locking that door. Because, at the end of the day, you are the one who lost items.

Now, I don't know for sure, if any of those behavior actually increases the chance or not. If it does not, the whole argument is invalid.


One of the interesting things about a society in which rapists are convicted and put in prison and in which we have lots of social scientists who love to study human behavior is we actually have scientific answers to that age-old question.  And the scientific answer is no, dressing in a "slutty" fashion has nothing to do with your chance of being raped.

So now that we have that answer, rape apologists, being the intellectually-honest folks they are, can stop using that justification.
 
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