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(NYPost)   More than 10% of the adults in New York City have diabetes. If only there was some kind of ban on large, sugary drinks   (nypost.com) divider line 24
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2013-04-25 12:22:23 PM  
3 votes:
Or... we could pressure our politicians to stand up to the Corn lobby, who thanks to government subsidies for planting corn (because it was going to make us less energy dependent) shove a diabeetus inciting product into just about every processed food sold in the country.

1) Remove subidies
2) See less corn syrup in processed food
3) See price of processed food rise
4) See healthier options now equally affordable
5) See diabeetus rates drop over time

No wait, that would take money from politician pockets and be less visible stunt legislation for "Oh look at me I'm fighting fatties!" politicians.
2013-04-25 12:23:49 PM  
2 votes:

Phineas: If only people had to be responsible for their own actions... we don't want that though, then the Democratic party would cease to exist.


Like tea-tards protesting to "Keep government hands off my Medicare"?
2013-04-25 12:16:25 PM  
2 votes:

FarkedOver: If only people were given a living wage and could afford to make healthier decisions.  That would be nice.


There are plenty of valid, reasonable arguments about the availability of affordable, healthy options for inner-city residents.

This is not one of them.
2013-04-25 12:15:26 PM  
2 votes:
If only people were given a living wage and could afford to make healthier decisions.  That would be nice.
2013-04-25 03:02:57 PM  
1 votes:

lohphat: ManateeGag: no one has a gun to your head when you select the 64 oz. UBER-GULP!   Adults should be able to make their own choices, instead of having the gubment tell them what choices to make.

The problem is the rest of us have to pay for their healthcare costs via higher premiums. They don't feel the impact, we do.


No you don't. What's that old phrase? I'd rather see 100 guilty people go free than 1 innocent person go to jail? I'm 6'3" @134lbs. I drink the large drinks and my numbers are perfect. So go ahead, ruin my meals because some fat ass can't make a healthy decision for himself. That sounds American.
2013-04-25 02:46:05 PM  
1 votes:

tarhammer: On the large soft drinks and choice and society? I'm fine with people who want to make their own choices about what to eat and whether to have health insurance or not, as long as they're equally fervent in their acceptance of the consequences. That means that if you drink 3 big gulps a day and develop a handful of illnesses from that like diabetes or high blood pressure, your insurance company doesn't have to pay for your coverage on those areas because the illness is willfully self inflicted. They should also be able to routinely charge you more because your lifestyle choices mean you're less healthy, and that is your decision and your fault. If you have no health care because you want that choice and you get sick and have no money to pay? You stay home and accept the consequences of your choice.


So like this fatty fat fat next door went into kidney failure, and he starts howling in pain.  Fatty fat fat wasn't smart and superior like me, he ate junk food, and now he's dying, and I'm trying to watch the game, and he's all like, "AAAAHHHHH GOD IT HURTS, HELP ME PLEASE," so I just went over there and closed his windows and nailed his door shut, but every now and then I can still hear him screaming, and it just pisses me off.  I'm trying to watch the game.  Those people make me want to vomit.
2013-04-25 01:29:13 PM  
1 votes:
GoldSpider:
I started getting into trouble in my late 20s not by adhering too closely to the model, but by sitting on my ass in front of a computer screen and eating way too much frozen processed food and snacks.

Actually, by eating all of those "processed snacks," you were adhering more closely to the model - higher amounts of carbohydrates. You were conditioned by years of eating that sort of thing to think it was the right way to go. When you hit your late 20s, you were out of your teenage high-metabolism years, so it had a greater effect (along with the inactivity).

Like I said above: the original food pyramid - the one that caused the damage - was heavily structured towards carbs, with very little meat and protein and fats.

Also: "frozen processed food" isn't a bad thing. "Frozen processed food with too much carbs and calories and added sugar because it tastes bland due to the lack of fats and other good stuff" is. You can get good-quality frozen food, you just need to pay attention.
2013-04-25 01:13:33 PM  
1 votes:

lordargent: Water is free.


Water?  Like... from the toilet?
2013-04-25 01:06:34 PM  
1 votes:
odinsposse:
You actually think that our problem is the people too rigorously followed nutritional guidelines? Are you high?

No, it's not because of " rigorously followed nutritional guidelines" by the common people - it's because most people took the government's advice as something "scientific," and a lot of societal and regulatory changes followed. Like pushing people away from fats and protein and towards carbohydrates. Government-sponsored messages telling us to eat less meat and more bread to start, then additional, smaller changes along the way.

A lot of that is enforced in schools - which have a disproportionate effect. They definitely took the food pyramid as gospel - there were posters on the walls touting this silliness. Of course, that "lots of grains, lots of vegetables, some fruit, and very little meat" ended up as "eat bread and potatoes because they're cheap, add a side of stewed carrots, toss in one serving of sweet applesauce, and garnish it with a little meat, because meat is bad for you."

In other words, a pile of carbohydrates that don't make you feel full so you eat too much of it. Don't look at the "new" food pyramid charts, which have finally started to hedge a bit. Look at the old ones.

Then, of course, we have the myriad legal and regulatory additions, most of which pushed people down the "poor people get fat" road - and which were based off of the official wisdom of the food pyramid, which was completely wrong. Farming subsidies, et bloody cetera.

I remember when they started pushing the food pyramid. It has - in a very obvious way - changed how people eat. If you're looking for someone who's out of touch, look at the people who lived through it and never noticed. Try a mirror.
2013-04-25 12:54:27 PM  
1 votes:

soup: Lord_Dubu: Or... we could pressure our politicians to stand up to the Corn lobby, who thanks to government subsidies for planting corn (because it was going to make us less energy dependent) shove a diabeetus inciting product into just about every processed food sold in the country.

1) Remove subidies
2) See less corn syrup in processed food
3) See price of processed food rise
4) See healthier options now equally affordable
5) See diabeetus rates drop over time

No wait, that would take money from politician pockets and be less visible stunt legislation for "Oh look at me I'm fighting fatties!" politicians.

Yeah because the mayor of NYC has the power to introduce federal legislation. And damn him for trying to do anything at all within his power to try to help.

I agree that only banning certain sized sugary beverages is dumb, though. Maybe a tax on those drinks would be a better alternative, but the soft drink companies fight that tooth and nail.


I'm not a big fan of using the tax code to drive us towards desired behavior like cattle. I know personal responsibility is lacking in this country, but taxing something because it's frowned upon goes against the freedom we should be enjoying as Americans. Unfortunately, the more healthcare costs are put on the taxpayer, the more it will be used as a justification for controlling any behavior that affects our health -- ie everything we do.

"There is only one basic human right, the right to do as you damn well please. And with it comes the only basic human duty, the duty to take the consequences."
― P.J. O'Rourke

Of course, this is in the context of not depriving anyone else of life, liberty, or property.
2013-04-25 12:51:19 PM  
1 votes:

The_Time_Master: Hows that low fat / high carb diet working for you, tubby?


THIS. Back several years ago when I became concerned about my weight approaching clinical obesity, I went on a low-fat, high-carb diet for about 8 months. Result? I couldn't get "full" so ended up eating too much and my BMI ballooned up over 30 into obese territory.

So I switched gears after reading Garry Taubs' book Why We Get Fat and What to do About It, and changed to a low-carb, high-fat diet. Result? I've lost over 40 lbs and am back in the normal weight zone; my blood chemistry is back to normal, and I feel great. I started riding my bike 10 miles to work several times a week and am fitter than any time in the past two decades.

Downsides? I get drunk very easily now, so avoid hard liquor and even most wine. Now days I restrict my drinking to very light beers, which is a bit of a pita for a northern California wine lover.
2013-04-25 12:49:29 PM  
1 votes:

odinsposse: cirby: soup:
Can you guess what the percentages are in reference to?

Obesity, obviously.

However, another way to describe it is "what happens when you follow the early-1980s government-designed food pyramid, AKA nutritional pseudoscience."

You actually think that our problem is the people too rigorously followed nutritional guidelines? Are you high?


So much THIS.
2013-04-25 12:38:00 PM  
1 votes:

lohphat: ManateeGag: no one has a gun to your head when you select the 64 oz. UBER-GULP!   Adults should be able to make their own choices, instead of having the gubment tell them what choices to make.

The problem is the rest of us have to pay for their healthcare costs via higher premiums. They don't feel the impact, we do.


Medical economists are divided on this issue, noting that healthy lifestyles spread costs over more years, but end up costing about the same as unhealthy lifestyles that result in early deaths.
2013-04-25 12:35:23 PM  
1 votes:

ManateeGag: no one has a gun to your head when you select the 64 oz. UBER-GULP!   Adults should be able to make their own choices, instead of having the gubment tell them what choices to make.


The problem is the rest of us have to pay for their healthcare costs via higher premiums. They don't feel the impact, we do.
2013-04-25 12:29:56 PM  
1 votes:
The way that a substanital part of the US population is plunging gleefully into morbid obesity and all of the awful diseases obesity carries with it, at a time when the baby boomer generation is nearing retirement, I think it's inevitable that our hospitals, nursing homes, clinics, will become essentially suicide parlors, even if we try to cover it up with euphemisms.  It's either that or we keep 30 million people barely alive at a cost of $30,000 a month per person, and their only reason to remain alive will be to see what kind of bacon double cheeseburger is on the menu for lunch.

It's not going to be a pleasant future.
2013-04-25 12:28:18 PM  
1 votes:

cirby: soup:
Can you guess what the percentages are in reference to?

Obesity, obviously.

However, another way to describe it is "what happens when you follow the early-1980s government-designed food pyramid, AKA nutritional pseudoscience."


You actually think that our problem is the people too rigorously followed nutritional guidelines? Are you high?
2013-04-25 12:26:52 PM  
1 votes:

brap: If it came from a source with even a smidgen of journalistic integrity I would be scandalized and outraged but as it stands my bullshiate detector is doing backflips.


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2013-04-25 12:24:45 PM  
1 votes:

magic_patch: I can't even imagine that if it's true....10% is a fairly significant percentage. I've only ever met one diabeetus person ever, and I live in Scotland (aka The Sick Man of Europe) so I should know.


Unless you're making them sew stars on their lapels (hey, there' s an idea for Bloomie!), how would you know? Diabetics don't typically announce their status to every random stranger they meet.
2013-04-25 12:19:38 PM  
1 votes:
This is news?  According the the American Diabetes Association, 11.3% of the American population 20 yrs and older have diabetes.  Sounds like New York is the norm.
2013-04-25 12:14:47 PM  
1 votes:
Of course, to make a difference, we're going to have to ban most other carbohydrates and sugars too.

And go after the folks who told us we needed to eat more of them.

Which will be convenient, since they're pretty much the same people who told us we need to cut back on sugar now.
2013-04-25 12:14:28 PM  
1 votes:
I can't even imagine that if it's true....10% is a fairly significant percentage. I've only ever met one diabeetus person ever, and I live in Scotland (aka The Sick Man of Europe) so I should know.
2013-04-25 12:12:02 PM  
1 votes:
If only people had to be responsible for their own actions... we don't want that though, then the Democratic party would cease to exist.

Step 1:  Drink lots of soda
Step 2:  Get diabeetus
Step 3:  ???
Step 4:  profit (free health care omgggg jackpot)
2013-04-25 12:11:51 PM  
1 votes:
What would such a ban accomplish, subby?
2013-04-25 12:09:45 PM  
1 votes:
No, subby. That's not 'murican.
 
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