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(Western Digs)   Guy mistakes cross on a side of the road for a clue in a treasure hunt, digs it up. Hilarity ensues   (westerndigs.blogspot.com) divider line 68
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2013-04-25 12:39:11 PM
He found Jesus!?
 
2013-04-25 12:41:22 PM
Oh, good lord in heaven..

This is New Mexico, where the custom of erecting these roadside memorials originated from Pueblo Indian religious practices. You do not mess with a descanso in New Mexico.
 
2013-04-25 12:41:27 PM
He found a buried cable?  And fixed it?
 
2013-04-25 12:44:01 PM
Please. These little roadkill "tributes" are everywhere. It doesn't mean it's farking holy ground.
I'm sure it was easily replaceable.
 
2013-04-25 12:44:03 PM
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2013-04-25 12:45:32 PM
Good Grief.  Hope he doesn't see a cemetery anytime soon.
 
2013-04-25 12:46:36 PM
Hate those road side memorials. Please memorialize the person, not the place they bought the farm. Go clutter up their gravestone, if you must. I love morbid things but this is just stupid...unless you post pictures of the accident on the memorial. Now that would be interesting!

/also a geocacher...ZOMG! IS DAT A BOMB?!?. Idiots.
 
2013-04-25 12:47:25 PM
So roadside memorials are now cultural resources or artifacts? On one of the southbound I-14 onramps in Santa Clarita CA there was one with a wooden cutout of a Harley Davidson. It made me laugh every time I went by. I'll take a window seat.
 
2013-04-25 12:47:39 PM
The warden added that even if the inconsiderate digger "had found Fenn's treasure, he could not have kept it because state law prevents taking artifacts from state land. He said the same rules would probably apply to most federal land."

Even if the item placed there was not a historical object that was part of the federal land, nor placed by federal authorities? (due to it being a religious symbol) I don't like stealing, but it seems to me it would be just like placing a political sign (e.g. Vote for John Smith for 2013 Springfield Township Board of Education), which could get taken down at anytime but is usually kept there until after the election. Does anyone know if the group placing the cross there paid for it to be placed there and protected from theft?
 
2013-04-25 12:47:49 PM
Did they also charge the person who left that trash on the side of the road?
 
2013-04-25 12:49:30 PM
Before I call him a dumbass, I'd like to see what the clue was. If it was something along the lines of "The next clue is buried under a white cross at the edge of the hunting ground," then I kind of understand.
 
2013-04-25 12:49:50 PM

Rattlehead: Did they also charge the person who left that trash on the side of the road?


That's what I was thinking.  Used to be people were fined for littering.
 
2013-04-25 12:51:36 PM

DarkSoulNoHope: The warden added that even if the inconsiderate digger "had found Fenn's treasure, he could not have kept it because state law prevents taking artifacts from state land. He said the same rules would probably apply to most federal land."

Even if the item placed there was not a historical object that was part of the federal land, nor placed by federal authorities? (due to it being a religious symbol) I don't like stealing, but it seems to me it would be just like placing a political sign (e.g. Vote for John Smith for 2013 Springfield Township Board of Education), which could get taken down at anytime but is usually kept there until after the election. Does anyone know if the group placing the cross there paid for it to be placed there and protected from theft?


And remember, don't pick up that old beer can you found in the woods or you will be arrested for stealing "artifacts."
 
2013-04-25 12:52:51 PM

doubled99: Please. These little roadkill "tributes" are everywhere. It doesn't mean it's farking holy ground.
I'm sure it was easily replaceable.


My wife and I hate those things.  There's a huge one in a small town about 70 miles north of where we live that has huge stuffed bears and several crosses within a fenced in area...  on the side of the freakin' highway.  Maybe a school bus accident or something.  What we can't figure out is why people want to be reminded of exactly where their loved ones died.  Morn them and move on.  We have cemeteries for a reason.  I'm waiting for the accident in which someone is injured or killed by the objects at these shrines after their vehicle plows into one.
 
2013-04-25 12:54:22 PM
Wow what a tight ass game warden.  Couldn't he have just said, hey stop digging and fill in that hole?
 
2013-04-25 12:55:54 PM
Descansos are cultural artifacts?
 
2013-04-25 01:00:34 PM
Ever notice that 99.9% of the time these 'memorials' have a Cross in them? I think I've seen one with a Star of David in it. Never seen one with a Pentagram or a Crescent or any other religious symbol.  It's almost exclusively a Cross. And there are so many of them all over the place... north, south, east, west... they're everywhere. Christians be some shiatty ass drivers.
 
2013-04-25 01:03:22 PM
I remember when it used to be the person who placed the litter received the fine.
 
2013-04-25 01:04:54 PM
The funniest part of these roadside memorials around where I live is that they sometimes are stacked a few feet apart on the same stretch of road, typically ranking from old to new. One could assume that each memorial had someone rubber-neck at it, and cause another fatal accident.
 
2013-04-25 01:07:43 PM
DigitalCoffee

LMFAO

+1
 
2013-04-25 01:07:51 PM

Do the needful: So roadside memorials are now cultural resources or artifacts? On one of the southbound I-14 onramps in Santa Clarita CA there was one with a wooden cutout of a Harley Davidson. It made me laugh every time I went by. I'll take a window seat.


His lawyer will have a field day with this.
 
2013-04-25 01:15:32 PM

bedtundy: I'm waiting for the accident in which someone is injured or killed by the objects at these shrines after their vehicle plows into one.


In my state you can pay for an official metal roadside memorial sign.  I suppose they're expensive, there arent many around, but it makes your scenario more likely.  Or, maybe a few people will drive more carefully in bad road spots and it will all wash out.
 
2013-04-25 01:20:42 PM
Add me to the list of those who hate these stupid things.

It's the worst to watch a highway construction crew have to carefully work around one. Asinine.
 
2013-04-25 01:26:02 PM
In third world zones, they just leave the burnt out wrecks on the roadsides for memorial.
 
2013-04-25 01:27:14 PM
I told my family if I ever die and they put up a memorial like this I will haunt them until it's taken down. I live off a road that is very wooded and kids being kids at night fly up and down the road until they hit a deer or tree. Then you see a new memorial a few days later.
 
2013-04-25 01:31:13 PM

doubled99: Please. These little roadkill "tributes" are everywhere.


HKWolf: Please memorialize the person, not the place they bought the farm.


bedtundy: My wife and I hate those things.


Agreed - and as an aside, can we also stop memorializing people on the backs of car windows? Why would anyone want your '94 Civic or '05 F-150 to be "In Memory Of" them?!?

/waiting to see this combined with the stick people where one is obviously missing and the 'In Memory Of' is shinier and new...
//window seat - with no stupid stickers on said window, please...
 
2013-04-25 01:34:21 PM

denverstevens: Agreed - and as an aside, can we also stop memorializing people on the backs of car windows? Why would anyone want your '94 Civic or '05 F-150 to be "In Memory Of" them?!?


I know, right? You should get their face inked on your arm like a normal human being.
 
2013-04-25 01:44:08 PM
DigitalCoffee: Ever notice that 99.9% of the time these 'memorials' have a Cross in them? I think I've seen one with a Star of David in it. Never seen one with a Pentagram or a Crescent or any other religious symbol.  It's almost exclusively a Cross. And there are so many of them all over the place... north, south, east, west... they're everywhere. Christians be some shiatty ass drivers.

Except that the cross isn't for the driver, it's for the victim.
 
2013-04-25 01:46:40 PM
denverstevens: doubled99: Please. These little roadkill "tributes" are everywhere.
HKWolf: Please memorialize the person, not the place they bought the farm.
bedtundy: My wife and I hate those things.
Agreed - and as an aside, can we also stop memorializing people on the backs of car windows? Why would anyone want your '94 Civic or '05 F-150 to be "In Memory Of" them?!?
/waiting to see this combined with the stick people where one is obviously missing and the 'In Memory Of' is shinier and new...
//window seat - with no stupid stickers on said window, please..


How about not memorializing people on tattoos?  That implies you never get over the death of a particular person.
 
2013-04-25 01:49:01 PM
ocshwar
Oh, good lord in heaven..

This is New Mexico, where the custom of erecting these roadside memorials originated from Pueblo Indian religious practices. You do not mess with a descanso in New Mexico.


No,they originated with the Spanish settlers:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roadside_memorial
 
2013-04-25 01:53:43 PM

ocschwar: Oh, good lord in heaven..

This is New Mexico, where the custom of erecting these roadside memorials originated from Pueblo Indian religious practices. You do not mess with a descanso in New Mexico.


Lived there.
And I think the superstitions of the brown people are stupid.
Of course, I'm a brown person, but I'm also not a big believer in spooks, or voodoo.
Or dead guys on a stick.
They should just get over it.
Juan was drunk, and smashed up a perfectly good car.
 
2013-04-25 01:54:07 PM

GoldSpider: Rattlehead: Did they also charge the person who left that trash on the side of the road?

That's what I was thinking.  Used to be people were fined for littering.


The legality of roadside memorials varies from State to State.   Main practical argument for allowing them is to make people think, "Somebody died here, better drive carefully."
 
2013-04-25 02:01:20 PM
It's a shame that fake Buick air holes, fart can exhausts, and over-sized spoilers don't lead to safer driving.
 
2013-04-25 02:08:26 PM

DigitalCoffee: Ever notice that 99.9% of the time these 'memorials' have a Cross in them? I think I've seen one with a Star of David in it. Never seen one with a Pentagram or a Crescent or any other religious symbol.  It's almost exclusively a Cross. And there are so many of them all over the place... north, south, east, west... they're everywhere. Christians be some shiatty ass drivers.


There is a Star of David on the median between Yuma and Gila Bend, amongst a cluster of crosses. Must've been a hell of an accident.
 
2013-04-25 02:08:37 PM
Let me know if he finds one of these suckers!

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2013-04-25 02:13:03 PM

Latinwolf: denverstevens: doubled99: Please. These little roadkill "tributes" are everywhere.
HKWolf: Please memorialize the person, not the place they bought the farm.
bedtundy: My wife and I hate those things.
Agreed - and as an aside, can we also stop memorializing people on the backs of car windows? Why would anyone want your '94 Civic or '05 F-150 to be "In Memory Of" them?!?
/waiting to see this combined with the stick people where one is obviously missing and the 'In Memory Of' is shinier and new...
//window seat - with no stupid stickers on said window, please..

How about not memorializing people on tattoos?  That implies you never get over the death of a particular person.


THIS! Or, that you are so stupid that you will forget what your Grandpa looked like (or something).

/ Of course, now I will just step away from a whole diatribe on tatoos in general, lest the thread gets derailed.
 
2013-04-25 02:13:39 PM
I hate these things.  What happened if the person died in their sleep?  Does the person's friend and family pile up a bunch of trinkets and crosses in the bed?.
 
2013-04-25 02:18:35 PM
Must've only had one side of the headpiece to read from.

/dnrtfa
 
2013-04-25 02:20:17 PM

Shrugging Atlas: I hate these things.  What happened if the person died in their sleep?  Does the person's friend and family pile up a bunch of trinkets and crosses in the bed?.


You should have seen the look on my kids faces when I told them that if they wanted to get a motorcycle they would have to wait until they are over 18 and out of the house. I needed a room as an office, not a shrine. Man that pissed them off. :)
 
2013-04-25 02:30:34 PM

Do the needful: Shrugging Atlas: I hate these things.  What happened if the person died in their sleep?  Does the person's friend and family pile up a bunch of trinkets and crosses in the bed?.

You should have seen the look on my kids faces when I told them that if they wanted to get a motorcycle they would have to wait until they are over 18 and out of the house. I needed a room as an office, not a shrine. Man that pissed them off. :)


Hehe.  Guess what an Emergency Room nurse told me that they refer to  motorbike riders as?

Answer:  "donors"
 
2013-04-25 02:31:10 PM
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A police sketch-artist's rendering of the suspect & his possible accomplice.
 
2013-04-25 02:35:54 PM
When will you people stop leaving your Christian shiat all along the roads. A couple of blocks from where I live there is an 8' wooden cross with an iron cut out of a motorcycle. Some day I'm going to get some pitch, paint that sucker with the it, and light it on fire.
 
2013-04-25 02:38:27 PM
This is New Mexico, where the custom of erecting these roadside memorials originated from Pueblo Indian religious practices. You do not mess with a descanso in New Mexico.

No,they originated with the Spanish settlers:

Well, they originated because the Catholicized Indians kept on to their pre-Columbian practice of burying their dead at a considerable distance from their villages. They needed locations where they could put down the casket and rest before continuing, and those locations got decorated with icons.
 
2013-04-25 02:45:36 PM

ObscureNameHere: Latinwolf: denverstevens: doubled99: Please. These little roadkill "tributes" are everywhere.
HKWolf: Please memorialize the person, not the place they bought the farm.
bedtundy: My wife and I hate those things.
Agreed - and as an aside, can we also stop memorializing people on the backs of car windows? Why would anyone want your '94 Civic or '05 F-150 to be "In Memory Of" them?!?
/waiting to see this combined with the stick people where one is obviously missing and the 'In Memory Of' is shinier and new...
//window seat - with no stupid stickers on said window, please..

How about not memorializing people on tattoos?  That implies you never get over the death of a particular person.

THIS! Or, that you are so stupid that you will forget what your Grandpa looked like (or something).

/ Of course, now I will just step away from a whole diatribe on tatoos in general, lest the thread gets derailed.


I always assumed they spent the insurance money to buy the new car and the 'in memory of' sticker absolves them of guilt.  Of course It makes it more sad when you see it on a '94 civic.
 
2013-04-25 02:51:14 PM
Whenever I come across these while traveling, I take the time to slow down and pay my respects. Then I swerve over and run the stupid things over.
 
2013-04-25 03:05:15 PM

DigitalCoffee: Ever notice that 99.9% of the time these 'memorials' have a Cross in them? I think I've seen one with a Star of David in it. Never seen one with a Pentagram or a Crescent or any other religious symbol.  It's almost exclusively a Cross. And there are so many of them all over the place... north, south, east, west... they're everywhere. Christians be some shiatty ass drivers.


I always avoid cars with Jesus related messages on them.  I assume the driver is less diligent about not dying because of the sweet, sweet treasures awaiting them in death.
 
2013-04-25 03:09:53 PM
Yeah, I'm going to have to go with being charged with the wrong crime.. This is state land, so I might be off, but on fed land, something becomes "culturally significant" after 50 years, and it's only a crime (arpa) after 100, and even then you have to have intent.
You can be charged with destruction of government property, but a lot of times that's civil..

The more interesting story here is that this guy was searching for Finn's treasure. Having read the book and saying the clue poem to myself at least once a day for the past three years, I can't imagine how this guy ended up there....
 
2013-04-25 03:23:39 PM
I can understand a temporary memorial, but once the body is buried, the flowers should move there.
 
2013-04-25 03:35:46 PM
Test test.  Farking Fark.
 
2013-04-25 03:37:04 PM
Chu thought you would take my share of the treasure, eh Blondie?

www.felsefeforumu.com

Treasure hunting under a cross in NM?  Was I really the first to think of this?
 
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