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2013-04-25 10:22:49 AM
...is it Thursday already?

Here.  Try this.  Stop sucking.  Embrace a digital format.  Make us WANT to spend money on sustaining your industry.  Understand that the dollar you once had to yourself is now split between you, movies, video games and other electronic devices and that if you were truly serious about making something decent for the marketplace you would have sold the execution of Nicki Minaj as a pay-per-view.
 
2013-04-25 10:28:38 AM
I just torrented an album of sad songs played on the world's tiniest violin, so I'm getting a kick out of this.
 
2013-04-25 10:31:52 AM
FM Radio will ruin our business
(crickets)
Cassette tapes will destroy our business
(crickets)
VHS tapes will ruin our business
(crickets)
DCC tapes will end our business
(crickets)
CD-R will end the music industry!
(crickets)
blah blah blah

It;s your obsessive resistance to all progress that is ruining your business, dumbasses.
 
2013-04-25 10:32:35 AM
The only thing I'm concerned about is the hypothetical death of the album. I like the idea of a collection of songs worked together by an artist to create a cohesive whole. It's what I grew up with and dog-gonnit, it's what's right!

Now a-days the kids can just listen to disjointed "tracks" that the "cool cats" "drop" from their "blinged out" "mini-mansions" that they'll "never be able to afford."
 
2013-04-25 10:33:09 AM
My Kick Ass music collection is just fine thank you very much...

ts1.mm.bing.net
 
2013-04-25 10:33:31 AM
F*ck 'em.

And I was flipping the stations for some reason the other day and one of the worst songs I have ever heard came on. it was like "salt on the rim rim rim. give me the keys to the benz benz benz." sung by some chick with a nasally voice sounding like a child. I thought it was a parody commercial for a few seconds, but then the hook came around and it kept going and it hit me. HOLY SH*T THE MUSIC INDUSTRY IS RETARDED. I came in to work all mad and made my coworkers laugh. I found it was a Nicki Minaj song. If someone thinks that is good....oh geeze whatever it has probably sold a million copies so what do I know.

But music will never die. I couldn't care less about the industry.
 
2013-04-25 10:37:37 AM
Considering Spotify pays out at less than a penny a play, I can see how record execs who usually take the majority of sales and throw the musician a penny would be upset.
My statements often look like this:
Spotify .01
Rdio .00
Spotify .00
 
2013-04-25 10:40:13 AM
Just die already.  Make room for companies who are actually innovative.
 
2013-04-25 10:41:35 AM

busy chillin': I found it was a Nicki Minaj song. If someone thinks that is good....oh geeze whatever it has probably sold a million copies so what do I know.


"YOU A STUPID HO,YOU A STUPID HO,YOU A STUPID HO"

She just makes terrible music.
 
2013-04-25 10:42:22 AM
991.com

It's been done.
 
2013-04-25 10:42:58 AM
A very long read but relevant:

http://www.salon.com/2000/06/14/love_7/
 
2013-04-25 10:46:32 AM
It has been sort of common knowledge since the 90's that if you reaslly want to support a musician or band, you go to their SHOW. Most make very little at all from album sales.
 
2013-04-25 10:50:02 AM
 
2013-04-25 10:55:54 AM
The grabbing hands grab all they can...

Until WE grabbed back.

Oh and you can suck it too Columbia House and BMG!
 
2013-04-25 10:56:16 AM

Nina Haagen Dazs: A very long read but relevant:

http://www.salon.com/2000/06/14/love_7/


oh yeah the Courtney Love article she didn't write in the first place.
Steve Albini wrote this already.

the MUZAK business is like any other racket:
Get rid up the CEO upper management robber barons and quit with the payola and outright theft and you might have something...

but people seem to keep missing the fact that the MUZAK business is actually doing fine considering, it just isn't making the same skyrocketing profits from changing the format.
LP to CD for example....VHS to DVD to BLU RAY to etc etc etc...

that's the racket.

I blame Obama.
 
2013-04-25 11:01:48 AM
Lamenting a paradigm that no longer applies.
 
2013-04-25 11:05:45 AM
so curiosity got me and I went to listen to "you a stupid ho". holy sh*t!

I guess if you're a 13 year old girl with an annoying voice it might be cool to listen to a girl rapping (?) with an annoying 13 year old girl sounding voice.

Almost worse than Drake. Almost.
 
2013-04-25 11:08:38 AM
I think back to all the albums i had as a kid, then i got those same albums on tape and or 8-track, then i got those same albums on cd.

Fool me 3 times shame on me.

now i download them and put them on my pcs.

Revenge is mine!

/still buy cds - still attend shows - still listen to the radio
 
2013-04-25 11:11:07 AM

busy chillin': so curiosity got me and I went to listen to "you a stupid ho". holy sh*t!

I guess if you're a 13 year old girl with an annoying voice it might be cool to listen to a girl rapping (?) with an annoying 13 year old girl sounding voice.

Almost worse than Drake. Almost.


Haha. I still remember wanting to smack Lil Wayne for that farking lollipop song,the shiat was played constantly. It was like a musical version of hell.
 
2013-04-25 11:12:10 AM

xoxo: Oh and you can suck it too Columbia House and BMG!


2.bp.blogspot.com

The first 12 were only a penny....THEN THEY JACKED UP THE PRICE!
 
2013-04-25 11:16:44 AM

A Terrible Human: busy chillin': so curiosity got me and I went to listen to "you a stupid ho". holy sh*t!

I guess if you're a 13 year old girl with an annoying voice it might be cool to listen to a girl rapping (?) with an annoying 13 year old girl sounding voice.

Almost worse than Drake. Almost.

Haha. I still remember wanting to smack Lil Wayne for that farking lollipop song,the shiat was played constantly. It was like a musical version of hell.


I try to be cool and understanding that people have different tastes than me, but all those guys (Lil Wayne, TI, Drake, Nicki) suck. No one should even let them near a microphone let alone an expensive music studio....but yet here we are.
 
2013-04-25 11:16:56 AM
Knows a thing or two about a microphone that smells like beer:
static-l3.blogcritics.org

// but he puts bread in jars, so maybe he's not the best to take advice from
 
2013-04-25 11:22:42 AM

Skarekrough: ...is it Thursday already?

Here.  Try this.  Stop sucking.  Embrace a digital format.  Make us WANT to spend money on sustaining your industry.  Understand that the dollar you once had to yourself is now split between you, movies, video games and other electronic devices and that if you were truly serious about making something decent for the marketplace you would have sold the execution of Nicki Minaj as a pay-per-view.


Along with these things, I'm guessing it's an extremely overloaded and top-heavy industry being supported by a handful of money making "artists".
 
2013-04-25 11:23:04 AM
Considering production costs have dropped with each new recording medium being released, and those farkers still try to charge more, they can go fark themselves.
 
2013-04-25 11:26:36 AM
Nobody likes autotune, and dubstep sucks. Everyone's probably tired of the same lame people putting out the same lame types of material, and stupid "safe" rock songs.
 
2013-04-25 11:33:42 AM

busy chillin': F*ck 'em.

And I was flipping the stations for some reason the other day and one of the worst songs I have ever heard came on. it was like "salt on the rim rim rim. give me the keys to the benz benz benz." sung by some chick with a nasally voice sounding like a child. I thought it was a parody commercial for a few seconds, but then the hook came around and it kept going and it hit me. HOLY SH*T THE MUSIC INDUSTRY IS RETARDED. I came in to work all mad and made my coworkers laugh. I found it was a Nicki Minaj song. If someone thinks that is good....oh geeze whatever it has probably sold a million copies so what do I know.

But music will never die. I couldn't care less about the industry.


Eh, there's still good music out there, and sometimes it's even on the radio!

I've found that I actually quite like Of Monsters and Men (the songs of theirs on the radio I've heard are "Little Talks" and "Mountain Sound")

I need to look into Imagine Dragons. I will say the music video for their song "Radioactive" is... honestly interesting and funny, if weird. (Basic premise: The band are being held captive by a person who runs an illegal underground *muppet fighting death ring*, and a friend of the band infilitrates it to free them. Yes. Really.)
 
2013-04-25 11:40:50 AM

Felgraf: busy chillin': F*ck 'em.

And I was flipping the stations for some reason the other day and one of the worst songs I have ever heard came on. it was like "salt on the rim rim rim. give me the keys to the benz benz benz." sung by some chick with a nasally voice sounding like a child. I thought it was a parody commercial for a few seconds, but then the hook came around and it kept going and it hit me. HOLY SH*T THE MUSIC INDUSTRY IS RETARDED. I came in to work all mad and made my coworkers laugh. I found it was a Nicki Minaj song. If someone thinks that is good....oh geeze whatever it has probably sold a million copies so what do I know.

But music will never die. I couldn't care less about the industry.

Eh, there's still good music out there, and sometimes it's even on the radio!

I've found that I actually quite like Of Monsters and Men (the songs of theirs on the radio I've heard are "Little Talks" and "Mountain Sound")

I need to look into Imagine Dragons. I will say the music video for their song "Radioactive" is... honestly interesting and funny, if weird. (Basic premise: The band are being held captive by a person who runs an illegal underground *muppet fighting death ring*, and a friend of the band infilitrates it to free them. Yes. Really.)


I completely agree there is good music out there. And yes it is sometimes on the radio. But that is getting more seldom than it used to be. But it matters less now because of youtube and all of those other avenues to find music.

Of Monsters and Men are not the problem. I don't mind them. I haven't bought any of their stuff though.
 
2013-04-25 11:41:37 AM
oi38.tinypic.com
 
2013-04-25 11:48:57 AM
Last night I remembered to watch Craig Ferguson, but I tuned in 5 minutes early and Selena Gomez was performing "When You're Ready, Come And Get It" on Letterman. Now I can't get that song out of my head.

Someone please make it stop!
 
2013-04-25 12:46:52 PM
I don't buy cds or albums or whatever you young kids are calling it these days, but when I go to the bar I see nothing wrong with dropping a twenty in the jukebox.
 
2013-04-25 12:55:23 PM
1.bp.blogspot.com

"Produce a body."
 
2013-04-25 01:02:03 PM
Dinosaurs will die.

I'm just farking glad I'm going to be there to watch the fall.
 
2013-04-25 01:28:09 PM

PaisleyHunter: I don't buy cds or albums or whatever you young kids are calling it these days, but when I go to the bar I see nothing wrong with dropping a twenty in the jukebox.


As long as the only songs you use that 20 bucks to play are "My Humps", "Hollaback Girl", "Who Let The Dogs Out", and "Barbie Girl" repeatedly, I see no problem with that.
 
2013-04-25 01:52:40 PM

Tom_Slick: Completely appropriate for the story and the sad state of modern music, plus it is her birthday today.


I was dreading what I'd hear when I clicked that link. What a pleasant surprise. Had she been just reaching her prime now, none of us would have ever heard of her, because she's neither pretty enough, white enough, nor blonde enough to ever win fame on American Idol. And the world would have been poorer for that.

My five-year-old niece liked it too. She loves to sing, and this is the direction in music I hope she steers for.
 
2013-04-25 02:03:33 PM
Well, as a crap musician who never had a chance of doing anything other than spending thousands of dollars on gear for funsies, no one cares what I have to say.  But fark them right in the ear.


/Thinking of making a song out of a Fark Politics thread - a duet screamed by two trolls trying to out-troll the other (but ends in sweaty regret filled sex.)
 
2013-04-25 03:53:06 PM
And by "Music Industry" we're talking about people who have formed a business around taking something out of one Person A's hands and selling it to Person B

Once we (Person B) can buy directly from Person A we won't EVER need that middleman again.  They better get used to it.  ...and find new jobs.

Oh, and ANY politician who so much as listens to a "Music Industry" person talk to them about the government helping them keep a no-longer-needed business running in the black needs to be voted out of office.
 
2013-04-25 03:57:02 PM

sedric: I think back to all the albums i had as a kid, then i got those same albums on tape and or 8-track, then i got those same albums on cd.

Fool me 3 times shame on me.

now i download them and put them on my pcs.

Revenge is mine!

/still buy cds - still attend shows - still listen to the radio


if you tried a littler harder, that all might've rhymed...
 
2013-04-25 04:20:35 PM

DontMakeMeComeBackThere: Once we (Person B) can buy directly from Person A we won't EVER need that middleman again. They better get used to it. ...and find new jobs.


And that is the reason cannabis needs to be legal.
 
2013-04-25 04:50:06 PM

Strik3r: It has been sort of common knowledge since the 90's that if you reaslly want to support a musician or band, you go to their SHOW. Most make very little at all from album sales.


Brought to you by Coors Light.
 
2013-04-25 05:09:28 PM
media.theiapolis.comLET THEM DIE!
 
kab
2013-04-25 05:18:12 PM
Tired argument is tired.

You can cherry pick stats all you like, but the bottom line is that less music gets sold now, because more people know how to get it for free.  And they expect to not have to pay for it.  Part of the reason for that is the improved capacity to hear exactly what you want to hear, whenever you want to hear it.   Prior to the digital age, you were reliant on FM for free music, and thus only exposed to whatever someone else decided to play.  Obviously those days are long gone.

The other reason less gets sold is because an overabundance of music leads to it being less appreciated.   Digital recording (a good thing) means that you're generally overwhelmed with the sheer amount good music available to you know, which in turns makes it all less valuable to you as a listener (a bad thing).  Music has a far shorter shelf life, and listeners have a far shorter attention span.

You can be rest assured that if digital was around when the Beatles decided to become a band, they'd be little more than a sizeable blip on the radar, forgotten in less than a decade, rather than having the legacy they do now.

The 'just go to their show' argument is also bullshiat, as not all acts tour (or even play live), nor do you know how much of your ticket price is actually going to the band themselves after FOH, rig crews, the house, and all the costs associated with playing out are taken care of.   Nor do you know the details of how much bands keep of cd sales (or realize that even indie artists don't keep 100% of their cd sales).

Music isn't a truly socially appreciated art form, it's an expectation.  I don't see that changing anytime soon.
 
kab
2013-04-25 05:43:35 PM

busy chillin': But music will never die. I couldn't care less about the industry.


Music creation won't ever die, that's where the passion is.  Distributing it for others to hear?  All business, no matter who's doing it.
 
kab
2013-04-25 05:59:37 PM

TeddyRooseveltsMustache: Nobody likes autotune, and dubstep sucks. Everyone's probably tired of the same lame people putting out the same lame types of material, and stupid "safe" rock songs.


Good thing it takes little to no effort to find music that avoids all of these generalizations.
 
2013-04-25 06:23:03 PM

kab: Tired argument is tired.


Yeah, the music industry whining that they're on their last legs for the hundredth time in as many years IS tiring.

Just gonna ignore the rest of your "blame the customer" bullshiat.
 
kab
2013-04-25 06:58:05 PM

Sergeant Grumbles: Just gonna ignore the rest of your "blame the customer" bullshiat.


Surprise surprise.
 
2013-04-25 07:32:27 PM
That evil Tom Edison ruined everything, by gosh.  Sheet music has never been the same since.

Can't wait until c.2021 for the next Rock Is Dead - We Mean It This Time!! social upheaval.  I still can't get the bleak dark days of early 1991 out of my head when dance music was supposed to be the future.
 
2013-04-25 10:36:44 PM
media.tumblr.com
 
2013-04-25 11:25:36 PM
Did they make sure to pay the royalties for that song?
 
2013-04-25 11:27:39 PM
fta: "I blame Thomas Edison. Thanks to his indefatigable curiosity and perpetual instinct to invent "

And that's when I stopped reading.
 
2013-04-26 09:50:39 AM

kab: busy chillin': But music will never die. I couldn't care less about the industry.

Music creation won't ever die, that's where the passion is.  Distributing it for others to hear?  All business, no matter who's doing it.


It is a business, I understand that, but a huge corporate label doesn't need to be involved at all anymore.

it is probably beating a dead horse, but I just found out Buckethead released two albums the other day and from my understanding he burns them himself, hand draws a different cover for each and numbers them through about 250. So awesome. And it seems he would make all of the money. It doesn't seem you have to sell your soul to get your music out.

Back to the labels, I see Black Sabbath just released an album on Universal. It seems like they could have done it on their own to me. Why use a label? And also, Rick Rubin produced it. Does Rick for Universal or if you are rich enough can anyone hire him?
 
2013-04-26 10:32:40 AM
busy chillin':

It is a business, I understand that, but a huge corporate label doesn't need to be involved at all anymore.

it is probably beating a dead horse, but I just found out Buckethead released two albums the other day and from my understanding he burns them himself, hand draws a different cover for each and numbers them through about 250. So awesome. And it seems he would make all of the money. It doesn't seem you have to sell your soul to get your music out.


And there ya go... That's why the big labels are crapping themselves. It's not just downloading tunes... Everything has gotten cheaper, easier, and better with technology. Thanks to computer technology, you can record a professional sounding album, package it with slickly produced artwork, and distribute it yourself AND reap all of the profits without having to suck big music's crank. There's no need for them anymore. And as much as they've been ripping off their artists and the public for so long, good riddance.
 
2013-04-26 10:50:43 AM

GibbyTheMole: busy chillin':

It is a business, I understand that, but a huge corporate label doesn't need to be involved at all anymore.

it is probably beating a dead horse, but I just found out Buckethead released two albums the other day and from my understanding he burns them himself, hand draws a different cover for each and numbers them through about 250. So awesome. And it seems he would make all of the money. It doesn't seem you have to sell your soul to get your music out.

And there ya go... That's why the big labels are crapping themselves. It's not just downloading tunes... Everything has gotten cheaper, easier, and better with technology. Thanks to computer technology, you can record a professional sounding album, package it with slickly produced artwork, and distribute it yourself AND reap all of the profits without having to suck big music's crank. There's no need for them anymore. And as much as they've been ripping off their artists and the public for so long, good riddance.


Yep. F*ck 'em.

And now from the Beatles thread I learned about Reaper which might make my Korg Electribe recordings sound better. My friend uses Abelton Live but it is on his computer obviously. I might have to get that.
 
kab
2013-04-26 11:58:45 AM

busy chillin': Does Rick for Universal or if you are rich enough can anyone hire him?


Not sure at all for producers... generally you can get big name mixers / engineers to do your record as long as you have the money (talking about 1500 per day, not including the studio, which can be another 1k per day in some cases).

I'm sure at some level they certainly get to decide who they want to work for, rather than the other way around.

This whole "you can do it all yourself from the bedroom" thing is a bit blown out of proportion.   There are very very few musicians out there who have the chops to perform / write AND tackle making a really good sounding album from a recording / mixing / mastering perspective.  (and have all the equipment needed to do so).  Some genres might be far more forgiving than others, but they're an exception rather than the rule I'd say.

Or to put it another way, out of all the albums you own that you consider great, how many are entirely DIY products?
 
kab
2013-04-26 12:01:20 PM
eh, the second half of that reply wasn't directed at you specifically, just general musing.
 
2013-04-26 12:15:29 PM

kab: busy chillin': Does Rick for Universal or if you are rich enough can anyone hire him?

Not sure at all for producers... generally you can get big name mixers / engineers to do your record as long as you have the money (talking about 1500 per day, not including the studio, which can be another 1k per day in some cases).

I'm sure at some level they certainly get to decide who they want to work for, rather than the other way around.

This whole "you can do it all yourself from the bedroom" thing is a bit blown out of proportion.   There are very very few musicians out there who have the chops to perform / write AND tackle making a really good sounding album from a recording / mixing / mastering perspective.  (and have all the equipment needed to do so).  Some genres might be far more forgiving than others, but they're an exception rather than the rule I'd say.

Or to put it another way, out of all the albums you own that you consider great, how many are entirely DIY products?


I think Buckethead and John Frusciante to a good job of self producing..but they are kind of crazy nuts and true artists that have made enough money on other projects to do it. I know there are couple other indie artist but I can't think of them right now. Sufjan Stevens maybe?

Yeah, it is definitely easier to make your own music on your, but it is still hard and always will be hard to make GOOD music that sounds good that people want to listen to.

So some label representation is needed it seems because I agree it takes people with different skills to make a great record. It seems smaller labels are doing better and I have heard some stories where the deal is fairer to the musicians than in the past.
 
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