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(Washington Times)   More sequester fallout. DHS is forced to cut their ammunition purchase from 1 billion rounds to only 260 million   (washingtontimes.com) divider line 55
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2013-04-25 10:39:30 AM  
Sad? What, could you not find the "scary" tag, subby?

There is no other reason, NONE, that DHS was planning to buy 1 billion rounds than for what is known HD (that's "homeland defense," for those of you not familiar with the specific jargon) speak as "urban pacification." Urban pacification sounds like something most people would agree needs to be done, but what you need to realize is that "urban" in HD speak doesn't mean what you and I think of as urban. You know, baggy pants and gold chains, the sort of thing that we can all start accepting as soon as they start understanding our love of Lynyrd Skynyrd. No, urban in this context means "all of America." It's shorthand, so to speak, for the real goal here, which is for Obama to turn the DHS into the jackbooted thugs that will permit his complete takeover of this nation.

See, the US has just about 315 million people. Obviously, you need more bullets than people. Even the best DHS shock troops won't always get a head shot. So that calculation was made that Obama needed 3 bullets for every civilian. That, of course, assumes a 100 percent uprising against the takeover, which obviously won't happen. Some civilians are fascist-leaning liberals who would welcome this new world order; others are children. But you always want to plan for a worst-case scenario when you're talking about conquering America. The British didn't plan for that, and look what happened.

So, three bullets per civilian, that's the equation. But now they've got to cut back to 260 million bullets? What do you think that means, subby? How many civilians does that mean there can be?

Take your sad tag and stuff it deep into radiation shelter, subby. That's where we're all going to need to be in a short while. A very short while.
 
2013-04-25 10:39:55 AM  
Another victory for right-wing conspiracy theorists. I bet they cut their tank order, too.
 
2013-04-25 10:40:40 AM  
So, a victory for republicans.
 
2013-04-25 10:41:37 AM  

Pocket Ninja: Sad? What, could you not find the "scary" tag, subby?

There is no other reason, NONE, that DHS was planning to buy 1 billion rounds than for what is known HD (that's "homeland defense," for those of you not familiar with the specific jargon) speak as "urban pacification." Urban pacification sounds like something most people would agree needs to be done, but what you need to realize is that "urban" in HD speak doesn't mean what you and I think of as urban. You know, baggy pants and gold chains, the sort of thing that we can all start accepting as soon as they start understanding our love of Lynyrd Skynyrd. No, urban in this context means "all of America." It's shorthand, so to speak, for the real goal here, which is for Obama to turn the DHS into the jackbooted thugs that will permit his complete takeover of this nation.

See, the US has just about 315 million people. Obviously, you need more bullets than people. Even the best DHS shock troops won't always get a head shot. So that calculation was made that Obama needed 3 bullets for every civilian. That, of course, assumes a 100 percent uprising against the takeover, which obviously won't happen. Some civilians are fascist-leaning liberals who would welcome this new world order; others are children. But you always want to plan for a worst-case scenario when you're talking about conquering America. The British didn't plan for that, and look what happened.

So, three bullets per civilian, that's the equation. But now they've got to cut back to 260 million bullets? What do you think that means, subby? How many civilians does that mean there can be?

Take your sad tag and stuff it deep into radiation shelter, subby. That's where we're all going to need to be in a short while. A very short while.


WHO TOLD YOU THE PLAN? I WILL DEVOUR YOU!!!!
 
2013-04-25 10:41:47 AM  
Shakes tiny fist at CPennypacker.
 
2013-04-25 10:53:17 AM  
It's almost like conservatives don't realize that government spending isn't just some phantom thing that has no influence or impact on their lives and now that they got what they've been screaming for years that they wanted, they're outraged to discover it actually affects them.

I say almost because what it really is is that conservatives have, for years, been successfully convinced that government spending is all going to this person:

i3.ytimg.com

and now they're stuck without a response now that the reality has suddenly come crashing down around their stupid talking points.

/ mostly in the form of cascading flight delays, so far
 
2013-04-25 10:57:15 AM  
Conservatives:  "Protect our boarders!1!! Obama is letting Messican Muslim terrorists invade Arizona!!

Real world: "The Coast Guard, Border Patrol and Immigration and Customs Enforcement are buying ammunition"

Conservatives: "ZOMG DHS IS buying ARE AMMo!1!!! FEMA camps!!"

/ CSB A guy told me Russian UN troops are confiscating weapons from Americans at roadblocks in Tennessee thanks to Obama's takeover of the national parks /CSB
 
2013-04-25 10:58:30 AM  

skozlaw: I say almost because what it really is is that conservatives have, for years, been successfully convinced that government spending is all going to this person:


She got some big tittays.

24.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-04-25 11:36:02 AM  

tricycleracer: skozlaw: I say almost because what it really is is that conservatives have, for years, been successfully convinced that government spending is all going to this person:

She got some big tittays.

[24.media.tumblr.com image 300x240]


Aye. If she showed those tits more often, I wouldn't give a fark what she spends food stamps on.
 
2013-04-25 11:36:31 AM  
Wow, 3 rounds for every citizen. Does that include Nancy and Diane as well? How about Michelle and the kids? What about the guys doing the shooting? Are they going to kill themselves after they are done killing everyone else?
 
2013-04-25 11:43:54 AM  

Lord_Baull: So, a victory for republicans.


Victory for all that wants to see ammo and reloading components show up on the shelves again sooner rather than later.
 
2013-04-25 11:48:49 AM  

HeadLever: Lord_Baull: So, a victory for republicans.

Victory for all that wants to see ammo and reloading components show up on the shelves again sooner rather than later.



the UN is coming for you!
 
2013-04-25 11:50:11 AM  
Maybe if they invest in more bayonets and horses, they wouldn't need so many bullets. It worked for the Cossaks.
 
2013-04-25 12:04:48 PM  

HeadLever: Victory for all that wants to see ammo and reloading components show up on the shelves again sooner rather than later.


Maybe now I can get my hands on a box of .40 and get some rang time...doubt it though.
 
2013-04-25 12:19:20 PM  

Lord_Baull: the UN is coming for you!


Whatever, dude.  Let them try.
 
2013-04-25 12:21:37 PM  

Dancin_In_Anson: Maybe now I can get my hands on a box of .40 and get some rang time...doubt it though.


Yeah, no joke. My only saving grace is that I am into more wildcat calibers right now (mostly .204 stuff) and you can still find some bullets on the sheves evey once in a while.  Powder and primers, though are almost non existent.  :(
 
2013-04-25 12:25:32 PM  
They were never going to buy a billion rounds. They struck a deal with a supplier to provide rounds at X price for Y years, capped at a billion rounds (limit 1 billion per customer).
 
2013-04-25 12:32:46 PM  

usernameguy: They were never going to buy a billion rounds.


If that was so, why did they put that as thier upper limit?  I am sure that your crystal ball was no better than mine.  Overall, it provides the means for them to purchase that many if they so wish.  That is the ultimate point.  Just so happens that with the ammo crunch and funding difficulties that this upper limit was nowhere near the final amount settled on.
 
2013-04-25 12:49:20 PM  

HeadLever: My only saving grace is that I am into more wildcat calibers right now (mostly .204 stuff) and you can still find some bullets on the sheves evey once in a while.


I can find all the .30-06 and .270 I would ever want but I don't target shoot with those rifles (I have one of each) as much as I do with my handguns. Another odd thing is that .30-30 is hard to come by..WTF?
 
2013-04-25 01:11:19 PM  
Kind of all rolls back to the US spending 6x more than the next 14 countries combined. Maybe we really don't need that much ammo?
 
2013-04-25 01:21:52 PM  

monoski: Kind of all rolls back to the US spending 6x more than the next 14 countries combined. Maybe we really don't need that much ammo?


It must be easy to have simple opinions about everything when you don't understand any of it
 
2013-04-25 01:27:33 PM  
Will I be able to buy bullets now, or are there going to be empty shelves again every time I go to buy some?
 
2013-04-25 01:37:18 PM  

ManRay: Will I be able to buy bullets now, or are there going to be empty shelves again every time I go to buy some?


Ask the gun nut kooks who keep buying it all.
 
2013-04-25 01:44:20 PM  

CPennypacker: monoski: Kind of all rolls back to the US spending 6x more than the next 14 countries combined. Maybe we really don't need that much ammo?

It must be easy to have simple opinions about everything when you don't understand any of it


Michelle Bachmann, is that you defending us from the Soviet Union?
 
2013-04-25 01:46:20 PM  

Dancin_In_Anson: I can find all the .30-06 and .270 I would ever want but I don't target shoot with those rifles (I have one of each) as much as I do with my handguns.


Plenty of .270 around here, but no '06.  That has dried up just as much as the .308 stuff.
 
2013-04-25 01:52:41 PM  

HeadLever: Plenty of .270 around here, but no '06. That has dried up just as much as the .308 stuff


Odd. Can't figure it out. People hoarding like hell for whatever reason. Hell, all I want to do is put holes in paper.
 
2013-04-25 02:16:57 PM  
Didn't RTFA, but couldn't this have something to do with the ammunition shortage following Newtown and Obama's pledge to take our guns, as well?
 
2013-04-25 03:18:37 PM  

Dancin_In_Anson: HeadLever: Plenty of .270 around here, but no '06. That has dried up just as much as the .308 stuff

Odd. Can't figure it out. People hoarding like hell for whatever reason. Hell, all I want to do is put holes in paper.


Because OBAMA is going to BAN all guns and ammo so you have to buy NOW.  Any "assault rifle" type rounds, 9mm, 45, near impossible to get around here.
 
2013-04-25 03:23:38 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: Because OBAMA is going to BAN all guns and ammo


Recent events show that this will never happen. People need to pull their heads out of their asses.
 
2013-04-25 03:51:40 PM  

Dancin_In_Anson: Odd. Can't figure it out. People hoarding like hell for whatever reason. Hell, all I want to do is put holes in paper.


I'd have thought a holepunch would be much more cost-effective?
 
2013-04-25 03:52:25 PM  

Dancin_In_Anson: Recent events show that this will never happen. People need to pull their heads out of their asses.


People who believe in multiple conspiracy theories and listen to talk radio and join the NRA tend not to be the most rational people.  The same guys who biatch about no ammo being available while buying every box they can get will also have thousands of rounds of an ammo type that don't even commonly shoot at home.
 
2013-04-25 04:01:57 PM  

HeadLever: Lord_Baull: So, a victory for republicans.

Victory for all that wants to see ammo and reloading components show up on the shelves again sooner rather than later.


Why do you think that is going to happen? Government purchases are a tiny percentage of overall US ammo production.  If you can't get ammo, blame the 3 people ahead of you in line (and the ammo manufacturers who love a 'shortage' because then they never have to have seasonal sales or lower promotional pricing).

Maybe Ted can sell you a few rounds.

http://tednugentammo.com/tnshop/
 
2013-04-25 04:07:00 PM  

Wyalt Derp: I'd have thought a holepunch would be much more cost-effective?


But not nearly as cathartic

Satanic_Hamster: The same guys who biatch about no ammo being available while buying every box they can get will also have thousands of rounds of an ammo type that don't even commonly shoot at home.


I had up to 500 rounds of .40 at one time...but I was popping off 100 every Sunday morning...
 
2013-04-25 04:34:14 PM  

notto: Maybe Ted can sell you a few rounds.


Hell, at this point I'd even give money to the Nuge to get some ammo. But (sort of) thankfully, I won't have to, since he doesn't have any 20-gauge Varmint Grenades or anything in .45 Long Colt.
 
2013-04-25 05:00:20 PM  

frankmanhog: ManRay: Will I be able to buy bullets now, or are there going to be empty shelves again every time I go to buy some?

Ask the gun nut kooks who keep buying it all.


I had to go to WalMart a few weeks ago for something specific. I thought " hey while I am here I'll get some plinking ammo". I had not been staring at the empty ammo shelf for 30 seconds when a dude with a mullet slid around the corner ( I think he was running)  and almost knocked me out of the way as he scanned for what he wanted. He gripped the cabinet with both hands as he went down his mental checklist, saying "dammit!" each time. And just like that he was gone, muttering something about Obama.

I would have asked him, but he was too fast. I suppose the old lady had him on a schedule while they were shopping.
 
2013-04-25 05:13:37 PM  

frankmanhog: ManRay: Will I be able to buy bullets now, or are there going to be empty shelves again every time I go to buy some?

Ask the gun nut kooks who keep buying it all.


And turn right around to flip it on gunbroker for twice the price or more.  These guys have the timing down to a science as to show up at wally world right as the new stock is being put out. It's usually gone in less than an hour.
The sad thing is, people continue to pay the grossly inflated prices for the stuff on sites like gunbroker.  When we stop paying those prices, the guys sitting on all that ammo are going to have to unload it for cheap sooner or later to pay off the credit card debt they racked up buying ammo to flip.
 
2013-04-25 08:15:39 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: Dancin_In_Anson: HeadLever: Plenty of .270 around here, but no '06. That has dried up just as much as the .308 stuff

Odd. Can't figure it out. People hoarding like hell for whatever reason. Hell, all I want to do is put holes in paper.

Because OBAMA is going to BAN all guns and ammo so you have to buy NOW.  Any "assault rifle" type rounds, 9mm, 45, near impossible to get around here.


Try finding .32 cal ammo, even before the scares. My Kel-Tek was one of my dumber purchases. And for some reason, in my area of Texas, .22 pistols are not sold.
 
2013-04-25 08:25:09 PM  

simplicimus: Try finding .32 cal ammo, even before the scares. My Kel-Tek was one of my dumber purchases. And for some reason, in my area of Texas, .22 pistols are not sold.


Because those aren't MANLY enough.  Moronic that even .22 LR and magnum can be hard to find.
 
2013-04-25 08:32:41 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: simplicimus: Try finding .32 cal ammo, even before the scares. My Kel-Tek was one of my dumber purchases. And for some reason, in my area of Texas, .22 pistols are not sold.

Because those aren't MANLY enough.  Moronic that even .22 LR and magnum can be hard to find.


Manly? It's a varmint gun.
 
2013-04-25 09:59:49 PM  
 
2013-04-25 10:08:49 PM  

haterade: why do they need to shoot 1,000 more bullets per officer per year than soldiers?


Inferior training? There's a lot of DHS that don't usually get to carry guns.
 
2013-04-25 10:22:09 PM  

haterade: why do they need to shoot 1,000 more bullets per officer per year than soldiers?


You got me. Why?
 
2013-04-25 10:39:49 PM  

haterade: why do they need to shoot 1,000 more bullets per officer per year than soldiers?


Because we expect our armed federal law enforcement agents to have a higher level of firearms proficiency than the average of every service person regardless of rank or station?

The 'average' comparison is simplistic and silly.

Do you think that the guy working to repair vehicles or work as a medical tech in the Army needs as much firearms training as a border agent?
 
2013-04-26 12:37:14 AM  

notto: haterade: why do they need to shoot 1,000 more bullets per officer per year than soldiers?

Because we expect our armed federal law enforcement agents to have a higher level of firearms proficiency than the average of every service person regardless of rank or station?

The 'average' comparison is simplistic and silly.

Do you think that the guy working to repair vehicles or work as a medical tech in the Army needs as much firearms training as a border agent?


yes, I think border patrol agents need as much firearms training as the Army. mechanics and medical techs also do patrols, guard duty and receive hostile fire

United States Department of Homeland Security - Customs and Border Protection - United States Border Patrol
Line of Duty Deaths: 119 total
Aircraft accident: 14
Assault: 2
Automobile accident: 32
Drowned: 4
Duty related illness: 3
Fall: 4
Gunfire: 31
Gunfire (Accidental): 4
Heart attack: 6
Heat exhaustion: 2
Motorcycle accident: 2
Stabbed: 2
Struck by train: 3
Struck by vehicle: 4
Vehicle pursuit: 2
Vehicular assault: 4

US IED deaths 2012 - 132  http://icasualties.org/oef/
 
2013-04-26 03:41:18 AM  
Fantastic, now the Coasties and Border Patrol will have less live fire training and more restrictions on how they can defend our waters and borders from illegal immigrants... good jorb, conservatives.
 
2013-04-26 03:57:40 AM  

haterade: why do they need to shoot 1,000 more bullets per officer per year than soldiers?


Because a border patrol agent needs to be more proficient with his sidearm than a desk jockey logistics guy in the Army. When people say "soldier," they think of infantry guys, but the reality is that the military, more in some branches than others, is a whole lot of people to back up that one guy who fights... in the AF, for one jet fighter, you get one pilot who actually fights... then you get teams of mechanics, logistics guys to order parts, operations officers, people to decide where to send the planes, weapons techs to maintain the guns and all, fuelies, and others. The Army is less heavy with the background, but still, IT guys, air traffic controllers, med techs, doctors, chaplains, HAWC guys, cooks, and a litany of other guys doing their jobs well so that the guys with guns have (mostly) what they need.
 
2013-04-26 08:09:17 AM  

firefly212: haterade: why do they need to shoot 1,000 more bullets per officer per year than soldiers?

Because a border patrol agent needs to be more proficient with his sidearm than a desk jockey logistics guy in the Army. When people say "soldier," they think of infantry guys, but the reality is that the military, more in some branches than others, is a whole lot of people to back up that one guy who fights... in the AF, for one jet fighter, you get one pilot who actually fights... then you get teams of mechanics, logistics guys to order parts, operations officers, people to decide where to send the planes, weapons techs to maintain the guns and all, fuelies, and others. The Army is less heavy with the background, but still, IT guys, air traffic controllers, med techs, doctors, chaplains, HAWC guys, cooks, and a litany of other guys doing their jobs well so that the guys with guns have (mostly) what they need.


Many of those support Army jobs do convoys, guard duty and can get tasked with setting up a TCP.  They could (and did) come under hostile fire.  I don't care if your job is to wash pots and pans, you're BRM better be up to par.
 
2013-04-26 09:16:43 AM  

firefly212: Fantastic, now the Coasties and Border Patrol will have less live fire training and more restrictions on how they can defend our waters and borders from illegal immigrants... good jorb, conservatives.


Wow...a lot of converts to the heavy law enforcement camp in this thread. I wonder what makes things different than 5 short years ago...
 
2013-04-26 10:06:10 AM  
The "ammo purchase" isn't simply about buying ammo, it's about getting ammo manufacturers to agree to contracts which include a "right of first refusal" clause.  Basically, ammo streaming agreements.  After this was implemented, and a suitable trigger event happened, the access to ammo by citizens and local LEOs has become constrained and prices have shot up.

http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/unprecedented-shortages- of -ammo-physical-gold-and-physical-silver

When the local LEOs can't get ammo on their own, with 1-year waiting lists on bulk ammo orders, the federal government can "come to their rescue" with supplies, with conditions of course...
 
2013-04-26 11:05:44 AM  

dynomutt: The "ammo purchase" isn't simply about buying ammo, it's about getting ammo manufacturers to agree to contracts which include a "right of first refusal" clause.  Basically, ammo streaming agreements.  After this was implemented, and a suitable trigger event happened, the access to ammo by citizens and local LEOs has become constrained and prices have shot up.

http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/unprecedented-shortages- of -ammo-physical-gold-and-physical-silver

When the local LEOs can't get ammo on their own, with 1-year waiting lists on bulk ammo orders, the federal government can "come to their rescue" with supplies, with conditions of course...


Absolute BS.  The terms of this round of 5 year contracts are no different than the terms of the last round under a previous administration.   Why is it that none of these conspiracy generators base their claims on the 'minimum' quantities that are also dictated in contracts and never point us to past contracts from the previous administration that are also publicly available.

The contracts are standard IDIQ contracts that are used for everything from pencils to spare tires.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IDIQ
 
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