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(Politico)   Obamacare is so magnificently and self-evidently wonderful that Congress is coming together in glorious noble bipartisan cooperation to exempt themselves from it   (politico.com) divider line 105
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2013-04-25 09:47:58 AM  
You don't need it if you're in Congress.
 
2013-04-25 09:48:42 AM  
Just like insider trading laws, right subby?
 
2013-04-25 09:49:09 AM  
Then I guess we should go with the provisions the Republicans have come up with and have been marketing for four years.  Let's go through them, shall we?  Anyone?

And I'll pistol whip the next one of you that says "tax cuts"!
 
2013-04-25 09:50:00 AM  
I am shocked... SHOCKED! that anti-socialist republicans prefer a tax payer funded single provider healthcare system.
 
2013-04-25 09:50:19 AM  
Single-payer health care needs to happen in this country.  The sooner the health insurance companies are crippled, the better.
 
2013-04-25 09:51:13 AM  

markfara: You don't need it if you're in Congress.


Reading is fundamental.

The talks - which involve Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.), House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio), the Obama administration and other top lawmakers - are extraordinarily sensitive, with both sides acutely aware of the potential for political fallout from giving carve-outs from the hugely controversial law to 535 lawmakers  and thousands of their aides.  Discussions have stretched out for months, sources said.
 
2013-04-25 09:52:50 AM  
Congress exempts themselves from almost everything.  OSHA, EPA, ADA, EEOC, insider trading, it's all legal if you're a congresscritter.

Oh, and they already get gold plated health care for life.
 
2013-04-25 09:53:22 AM  
The problem stems from whether members and aides set to enter the exchanges would have their health insurance premiums subsidized by their employer

The way I see it, this problem has two potential solutions.

The good one: Subsidize their premiums.
The stupid one: Exempt yourself from the law.

I will be in no way surprised if they choose the stupid one. After all, not subsidizing the premiums for people who have an existing healthcare benefit was an option that was, apparently, on the table.
 
2013-04-25 09:53:24 AM  
To be fair, what they're worried about is losing the ability to use the employer-sponsored health insurance tax exemption, which does add up to a decent chunk of money when you're making $175,000 a year.

To be even more fair, YOU ALREADY MAKE $175,000 A YEAR YOU FARKING TWATS! How's about you try living on $10,000 a year and lack the ability to get Medicaid or buy even scrap metal-quality health insurance from a private company before you whine about losing a massive, unwarranted tax break?
 
2013-04-25 09:53:49 AM  

Zeb Hesselgresser: markfara: You don't need it if you're in Congress.

Reading is fundamental.

The talks - which involve Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.), House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio), the Obama administration and other top lawmakers - are extraordinarily sensitive, with both sides acutely aware of the potential for political fallout from giving carve-outs from the hugely controversial law to 535 lawmakers  and thousands of their aides.  Discussions have stretched out for months, sources said.



What happened to the thousands of republican aides' bootstraps?
 
2013-04-25 09:53:50 AM  
This makes no sense.  Congress gives themselves health coverage as is.  They're already exempt from Obamacare since they already have insurance.  Congressional staff jobs can't be so awful that they don't come with benefits, can they?  If congressional gofers make only $25k and get no insurance, that's despicable.
 
2013-04-25 09:54:21 AM  

Muta: I am shocked... SHOCKED! that anti-socialist republicans prefer a tax payer funded single provider healthcare system.


THIS.  They don't want Obamacare because they're already getting socialized medicine.

/remember kids, single-payer will never work in America
//unless you're in congress
///or the army
 
2013-04-25 09:54:26 AM  
Heh.
 
2013-04-25 09:54:41 AM  
Single Payer please.
 
2013-04-25 09:55:04 AM  

Muta: I am shocked... SHOCKED! that anti-socialist republicans prefer a tax payer funded single provider healthcare system.


done in four.
 
2013-04-25 09:55:18 AM  

FarkedOver: Single-payer health care needs to happen in this country.  The sooner the health insurance companies are crippled, the better.


Here's the problem:  That's not going to happen.  What WILL happen is that we will have single payer health insurance, but contracted through the health insurance companies.  The health insurance companies have too much politcal clout.
 
2013-04-25 09:55:55 AM  
I was told they were already exempt.

Also staffers making $25,000 should either get Medicaid or a huge subsidy.

And if they already have insurance and will just be getting said insurance off the exchange, what's the rub?

Socialism and Jesus?
 
2013-04-25 09:56:56 AM  
I recall this lie from before it became the law of the land. I also recall the GOP proposing that a bill be drafted that ensured members were subject to the rules, the Democrats called the bluff and obliged, then the GOP shelved it.
 
2013-04-25 09:57:00 AM  
So, junior aides don't get health insurance from their employer?  Or, they don't make enough to afford health insurance on their own?
Explain this to me like I'm a slow, dull child.
 
2013-04-25 09:59:17 AM  

limerickey: This makes no sense.  Congress gives themselves health coverage as is.  They're already exempt from Obamacare since they already have insurance.  Congressional staff jobs can't be so awful that they don't come with benefits, can they?  If congressional gofers make only $25k and get no insurance, that's despicable.


Section 1312(d)(3)(D)(i) of HR 3590 reads "Notwithstanding any other provision of law, after the effective date of this subtitle, the only health plans that the Federal Government may make available to Members of Congress and congressional staff with respect to their service as a Member of Congress or congressional staff shall be health plans that are created under this Act (or an amendment made by this Act); or offered through an Exchange established under this Act (or an amendment made by this Act)."
 
2013-04-25 10:00:32 AM  

FlashHarry: Muta: I am shocked... SHOCKED! that anti-socialist republicans prefer a tax payer funded single provider healthcare system.

done in four.



Really? A tired meme kills the thread?
 
2013-04-25 10:02:56 AM  

Markus5: So, junior aides don't get health insurance from their employer?  Or, they don't make enough to afford health insurance on their own?
Explain this to me like I'm a slow, dull child.


limerickey: This makes no sense.  Congress gives themselves health coverage as is.  They're already exempt from Obamacare since they already have insurance.  Congressional staff jobs can't be so awful that they don't come with benefits, can they?  If congressional gofers make only $25k and get no insurance, that's despicable.


What Serious Black quoted above.  This was a little 'fark you' provision put in at the end to placate one of the holdouts (I can't remember if it was Lieberman, Landrieux, or Nelson).  It means that Congress and Congressional staff  have to buy their insurance on the state-level exchanges, like they were 1099 contractors, rather than continuing to participate in the normal federal employer-provided plan.
 
2013-04-25 10:03:00 AM  
This is just pants on head retarded. Federal workers already are enrolled in one of the best health care insurance programs in the country. It's part of their compensation.
 
2013-04-25 10:03:29 AM  

Markus5: So, junior aides don't get health insurance from their employer?  Or, they don't make enough to afford health insurance on their own?
Explain this to me like I'm a slow, dull child.


From what I read in the article, it seems that the government is paying 75% of insurance costs now. Apparently, for some reason, there is a chance they would stop doing that when certain mandates from Obamacare go into effect, so, instead of doing the so-obvious-it-hurts thing to do and subsidizing insurance for them under Obamacare, some people are pushing to exempt Congress and its aides.

How this ridiculously easily solved problem reached a level where we're reading about it in Politico is beyond me.
 
2013-04-25 10:03:41 AM  
Sadly, the only way we are going to be able to adopt a single payer system is on a state by state basis.  Hopefully Vermont's single payer system will be a glowing example of how socialized medicine is a good and beneficial thing.
 
2013-04-25 10:03:51 AM  

ginandbacon: This is just pants on head retarded. Federal workers already are enrolled in one of the best health care insurance programs in the country. It's part of their compensation.


Again, PPACA specifically says that Congressmen and staffers are no longer allowed to enroll in it after 1-Jan-14.
 
2013-04-25 10:05:03 AM  

Lord_Baull: Zeb Hesselgresser: markfara: You don't need it if you're in Congress.

Reading is fundamental.

The talks - which involve Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.), House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio), the Obama administration and other top lawmakers - are extraordinarily sensitive, with both sides acutely aware of the potential for political fallout from giving carve-outs from the hugely controversial law to 535 lawmakers  and thousands of their aides.  Discussions have stretched out for months, sources said.


What happened to the thousands of republican aides' bootstraps?


They were against this POS, or didn't you know that?
 
2013-04-25 10:06:26 AM  

BiffDangler: Here's the problem: That's not going to happen. What WILL happen is that we will have single payer health insurance, but contracted through the health insurance companies. The health insurance companies have too much politcal clout.


That just sounds like an even worse version of Obamacare, which I don't know how it could get much worse than that shiat law.
 
2013-04-25 10:07:25 AM  

Lawnchair: Markus5: So, junior aides don't get health insurance from their employer?  Or, they don't make enough to afford health insurance on their own?
Explain this to me like I'm a slow, dull child.

limerickey: This makes no sense.  Congress gives themselves health coverage as is.  They're already exempt from Obamacare since they already have insurance.  Congressional staff jobs can't be so awful that they don't come with benefits, can they?  If congressional gofers make only $25k and get no insurance, that's despicable.

What Serious Black quoted above.  This was a little 'fark you' provision put in at the end to placate one of the holdouts (I can't remember if it was Lieberman, Landrieux, or Nelson).  It means that Congress and Congressional staff  have to buy their insurance on the state-level exchanges, like they were 1099 contractors, rather than continuing to participate in the normal federal employer-provided plan.


OK.  See!  I can learn something.
 
2013-04-25 10:09:22 AM  

tenpoundsofcheese: They were against this POS, or didn't you know that?


So, they already have personal health insurance and would therefore be exempt anyway.
 
2013-04-25 10:10:42 AM  
The truth of the matter is that there is no free-market solution to healthcare.  Healthcare needs a major overhaul image-wise.  We need to stop viewing patients as "customers" and start realizing that healthcare is a fundamental human right.  No one should be turned away or have to go into crippling debt in order to receive treatment for an illness.
 
2013-04-25 10:11:10 AM  

thurstonxhowell: Markus5: So, junior aides don't get health insurance from their employer?  Or, they don't make enough to afford health insurance on their own?
Explain this to me like I'm a slow, dull child.

From what I read in the article, it seems that the government is paying 75% of insurance costs now. Apparently, for some reason, there is a chance they would stop doing that when certain mandates from Obamacare go into effect, so, instead of doing the so-obvious-it-hurts thing to do and subsidizing insurance for them under Obamacare, some people are pushing to exempt Congress and its aides.

How this ridiculously easily solved problem reached a level where we're reading about it in Politico is beyond me.


1) It's a bit more complicated than that, but for plans under a certain cost threshold, yes, Uncle Sam picks up 75% of insurance costs. After that threshold, Uncle Sam pays out a flat amount and you pick up the rest. It's essentially a voucher where the worker does not keep the remainder if they redeem less than the full amount.
2) I suppose a certainty is a kind of a chance.

/Lionel Hutz
 
2013-04-25 10:12:03 AM  

Lawnchair: ginandbacon: This is just pants on head retarded. Federal workers already are enrolled in one of the best health care insurance programs in the country. It's part of their compensation.

Again, PPACA specifically says that Congressmen and staffers are no longer allowed to enroll in it after 1-Jan-14.


"...no one is discussing "exempting" congressional staffers from Obamacare. They're discussing creating some method through which the federal government can keep making its current contribution to the health insurance of congressional staffers."

Link.
 
2013-04-25 10:13:58 AM  
Wasnt this already a talking point during the year long healthcare debate?
 
2013-04-25 10:14:37 AM  

Lord_Baull: tenpoundsofcheese: They were against this POS, or didn't you know that?

So, they already have personal health insurance and would therefore be exempt anyway.



You mean this is all for show in an attempt to make ACA look bad?
 
2013-04-25 10:16:30 AM  

born_yesterday: And I'll pistol whip the next one of you that says "tax cuts"!


Spoken like a true neo-socialist.  Welcome to Obama's Amarika.
 
2013-04-25 10:17:11 AM  

FarkedOver: Single-payer health care needs to happen in this country.


Bill Gates will be like "I can't pay for everyone, try Carlos Slim!" And Carlos will be all "That's not far, I'm not even American!"

Oh, you mean the other kind of single payer.
 
2013-04-25 10:17:20 AM  

ginandbacon: Lawnchair: ginandbacon: This is just pants on head retarded. Federal workers already are enrolled in one of the best health care insurance programs in the country. It's part of their compensation.

Again, PPACA specifically says that Congressmen and staffers are no longer allowed to enroll in it after 1-Jan-14.

"...no one is discussing "exempting" congressional staffers from Obamacare. They're discussing creating some method through which the federal government can keep making its current contribution to the health insurance of congressional staffers."

Link.


Yeah, so? Welcome to the real world where people who make $20,000 a year are completely incapable of buying health insurance.
 
2013-04-25 10:17:37 AM  

meat0918: Wasnt this already a talking point during the year long healthcare debate?



This is the ACA's benghazi.
 
2013-04-25 10:18:39 AM  

Lord_Baull: tenpoundsofcheese: They were against this POS, or didn't you know that?

So, they already have personal health insurance and would therefore be exempt anyway.


I don't understand your use of exempt.  Lots of people "already had personal health insurance" and are not exempt from the new law.

I think the PPACA does lots and lots of things you are not aware of.
 
2013-04-25 10:18:57 AM  
Romneycare's been working out great for my family the last year or so... Probably the best insurance I've ever had and it costs me less than what I paid when I still had an employer provided plan.
 
2013-04-25 10:18:57 AM  

LivingDeadX1: born_yesterday: And I'll pistol whip the next one of you that says "tax cuts"!

Spoken like a true neo-socialist.  Welcome to Obama's Amarika.



I see you're from Florida. Perhaps we should take your cue and just vote in officials that commit massive fraud instead.
 
2013-04-25 10:19:22 AM  
OK.  So the law says that the insurance policy congresscritters get must come from the exchanges.  Does it say that Da Gummint can't pay for it like they do with the policies that cover the congresscritters now?  What happens to the line item for insurance on these folks pay stubs?  Is the idea that that gets zeroed out and they have to make do and buy from the exchanges with the dough they made in salary?  Nice way to sequester some cash that Da Gummint would otherwise have been spending.
 
2013-04-25 10:23:18 AM  

limerickey: OK.  So the law says that the insurance policy congresscritters get must come from the exchanges.  Does it say that Da Gummint can't pay for it like they do with the policies that cover the congresscritters now?  What happens to the line item for insurance on these folks pay stubs?  Is the idea that that gets zeroed out and they have to make do and buy from the exchanges with the dough they made in salary?  Nice way to sequester some cash that Da Gummint would otherwise have been spending.


The law doesn't say anything about whether Uncle Sam will still provide staffers or members of Congress with the equivalent money they'd get directed to their insurance plan. That's the problem. Of course, there are millions of Americans whose employers directly contribute $0 to their employee's insurance plans, so, once again, welcome to the real world, assholes.
 
2013-04-25 10:25:23 AM  

Serious Black: 2) I suppose a certainty is a kind of a chance.


...but it's not a certainty. Their are 3 possibilities here, and only one of them involves Congress and aides having to pay the full unsubsidized price for insurance.

1) They get an exemption.
2) They arrange to subsidize plans on the exchange.
3) They stop subsidizing insurance.

So, yes, a chance. I'd call it a pretty small chance, actually. Definitely far from a certainty.
 
2013-04-25 10:25:52 AM  

Zeb Hesselgresser: Lord_Baull: tenpoundsofcheese: They were against this POS, or didn't you know that?

So, they already have personal health insurance and would therefore be exempt anyway.

I don't understand your use of exempt.  Lots of people "already had personal health insurance" and are not exempt from the new law.

I think the PPACA does lots and lots of things you are not aware of.



probably.
 
2013-04-25 10:25:56 AM  

Serious Black: ginandbacon: Lawnchair: ginandbacon: This is just pants on head retarded. Federal workers already are enrolled in one of the best health care insurance programs in the country. It's part of their compensation.

Again, PPACA specifically says that Congressmen and staffers are no longer allowed to enroll in it after 1-Jan-14.

"...no one is discussing "exempting" congressional staffers from Obamacare. They're discussing creating some method through which the federal government can keep making its current contribution to the health insurance of congressional staffers."

Link.

Yeah, so? Welcome to the real world where people who make $20,000 a year are completely incapable of buying health insurance.


What on earth are you talking about? Staff Assistants make $30k and Aides make $40k. It's not very much much but their insurance contributions are very low.
 
2013-04-25 10:25:59 AM  

Lord_Baull: I see you're from Florida. Perhaps we should take your cue and just vote in officials that commit massive fraud instead.


Says someone called "The Razor"  from Texas.
 
2013-04-25 10:27:24 AM  

LivingDeadX1: Lord_Baull: I see you're from Florida. Perhaps we should take your cue and just vote in officials that commit massive fraud instead.

Says someone called "The Razor"  from Texas.



Burn?
 
2013-04-25 10:27:25 AM  
Serious Black:

The law doesn't say anything about whether Uncle Sam will still provide staffers or members of Congress with the equivalent money they'd get directed to their insurance plan. That's the problem. Of course, there are millions of Americans whose employers directly contribute $0 to their employee's insurance plans, so, once again, welcome to the real world, assholes.

Ah, so this is just about cleaning up a mess they made by idiotic drafting of this bill.  Let 'em suffer through the consequences of their mistakes.  Tough to believe that somebody read that line in the law as requiring that current healthcare expenditures be zeroed out... but then again, I don't employ a phalanx of lawyers to parse statutes for me either.
 
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