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(Newser)   Dzhokhar: "So anyway we planted the bombs and then I have the right to what now?"   (newser.com) divider line 29
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2013-04-25 12:01:13 PM  
6 votes:
The last thing he wants is for them to let him go. He won't make it 10 feet.
2013-04-25 12:16:48 PM  
5 votes:

DROxINxTHExWIND: "If anyone can provide this young man with a tenacious, effective defense, it's Miriam Conrad"


I know it sounds crazy, but these reprehensible people are the backbone of our Democracy.


What's reprehensible about providing a suspect with his constitutional rights? If we can't abide by the rule of law, then we have no moral authority to pass judgment anyway. Justice must mean more than an angry mob.
2013-04-25 12:02:25 PM  
5 votes:
If he wasn't mirandized before, anything he said may not be admissable.

Cops f*cked up on that one, evidence was already very solid.
2013-04-25 12:19:16 PM  
4 votes:

awalkingecho: Goodluckfox: awalkingecho: Goodluckfox: Lost Thought 00: Crewmannumber6: The last thing he wants is for them to let him go. He won't make it 10 feet.

Hell, someone killed one of the kids the NY Daily News falsely splashed across their cover.

Wait, what???

Yeah they found that sumir or Sunil guy's body

Oh, THAT. Dude had probably been dead a good while. Unrelated. The OP made it sound like someone killed him BECAUSE he was named as a possible suspect.

Um... He went missing after the headlines. He posted on his facebook before he fled. So that probably is why.


No. Sunil Tripathi went missing on March 16, and was reportedly very depressed at the time. He has the sad yet otherwise perfect alibi of being a waterlogged corpse at the time of the bombings.

So much farking noise to signal these days. Google isn't hard, people.
2013-04-25 12:03:59 PM  
4 votes:
"If anyone can provide this young man with a tenacious, effective defense, it's Miriam Conrad"


I know it sounds crazy, but these reprehensible people are the backbone of our Democracy.
2013-04-25 12:01:45 PM  
3 votes:

vernonFL: They probably don't need him to say anything to convict him, they probably have enough physical evidence.


That isn't the problem. Chances of finding others involved just became impossible.
2013-04-25 01:07:55 PM  
2 votes:
The idea that this alleged criminal has no rights is absurd.  We don't get to choose which citizens get Constitutional rights and which don't -- all citizens do.  If we're to discriminate who is protected under the Constitution and who is not, then we might as well just abolish the Constitution, declare the terrorists the victors and say good bye to the United States of America.  Sorry, but it's equal protection for all or for none.  There is no room in between.
2013-04-25 12:13:52 PM  
2 votes:

puddleonfire: MEANWHILE for over 15 years I have been stalked, harassed, provoked and assaulted


Occam's razor says you're crazy. Seek help.
2013-04-25 12:08:54 PM  
2 votes:

jehovahs witness protection: vernonFL: They probably don't need him to say anything to convict him, they probably have enough physical evidence.

That isn't the problem. Chances of finding others involved just became impossible.


Done in 3.

/and by done I mean the point to where the thread is free of ridiculous hyperbole.
2013-04-25 12:06:41 PM  
2 votes:

olddinosaur: If he wasn't mirandized before, anything he said may not be admissable.

Cops f*cked up on that one, evidence was already very solid.


Where the hell are they going to find an impartial jury? He's already been tired and convicted by the media.
2013-04-25 11:49:15 AM  
2 votes:
They probably don't need him to say anything to convict him, they probably have enough physical evidence.
2013-04-25 02:10:24 PM  
1 votes:

ShadowKamui: The point is no lawyer is touching this pro-bono except the anti-death penalty ones, there's not going to be anything flashy to try and make a name for yourself otherwise.


Well if that's the case, fark it, no need to waste more tax dollars on this pissant than the quarter's worth of lead we can put in his head right now and be done with it.
2013-04-25 12:55:15 PM  
1 votes:

Mercutio74: vygramul: I hope that, if you're the victim of a crime, the witnesses don't think like that.

Regardless, the smart move is always to say nothing.


True dat. Talking to the cops will NOT help you. Period. And it may cause great harm to you. There is NO UPSIDE to talking to the police, and there is a potentially huge downside. Cops are NOT your friends. Don't talk to them.
2013-04-25 12:43:39 PM  
1 votes:

olddinosaur: If he wasn't mirandized before, anything he said may not be admissable.

Cops f*cked up on that one, evidence was already very solid.


There is a 48 hour exceptiin to miranda when public safety is a concern. This bombing fell under those regilations. The DoJ chose to end that exception at 16 hours with the FBI claiming they were getting good information of possible connectiona to others. The brothers were in welfare yet funded gun purchases, 6 month trip to Russia, new car, etc.

A conspiracy theorist would state the DoJ pushed to end the exception for political reasons in pushing the lone wolves theory.
2013-04-25 12:41:17 PM  
1 votes:

PanicMan: It's his legal right to remain silent.  It's not like they don't have enough info already.  And if he wants any kind of deal, he's going to have to confess to everything.
I have no problem with any of this.


Maybe, but you never, ever talk to cops.  period.
2013-04-25 12:28:21 PM  
1 votes:

jehovahs witness protection: That isn't the problem. Chances of finding others involved just became impossible.


olddinosaur: If he wasn't mirandized before, anything he said may not be admissable.

Cops f*cked up on that one, evidence was already very solid.


Lost Thought 00: Hell, someone killed one of the kids the NY Daily News falsely splashed across their cover. I can only imagine the torture the general public would do to this kid

awalkingecho: Yeah they found that sumir or Sunil guy's body


Threads like this (and pretty much every one regarding the bombing and aftermath) serve to remind me of just how simply misleading or totally, completely and utterly wrong so much of what you read on the internet actually is.
2013-04-25 12:28:20 PM  
1 votes:

Great Janitor: Without him saying a thing they already have enough evidence to convict him.  Trying to explain that he was brainwashed or influenced by his older brother isn't going make the harm that he caused any less.  There is nothing that the defense can pull to keep him out of prison once he's discharged from the hospital.


Almost certainly not...this is one of those cases where you count life imprisonment for your client as a "win".
2013-04-25 12:22:15 PM  
1 votes:
How we treat suspects of crime (even if it is obvious they did it) is a measure of a healthy society. Sometime down the road I don't want them coming for me when I run a red light because I didn't say equal under the law now.

We have a healthy justice system (except for the rich and famous) why not rely on it and the rules we have established?
2013-04-25 12:21:45 PM  
1 votes:

jehovahs witness protection: vernonFL: They probably don't need him to say anything to convict him, they probably have enough physical evidence.

That isn't the problem. Chances of finding others involved just became impossible.


There no indication that anyone else was involved, so finding those non-existent people was impossible from the start.
2013-04-25 12:21:34 PM  
1 votes:

jshine: DROxINxTHExWIND: "If anyone can provide this young man with a tenacious, effective defense, it's Miriam Conrad"


I know it sounds crazy, but these reprehensible people are the backbone of our Democracy.

What's reprehensible about providing a suspect with his constitutional rights? If we can't abide by the rule of law, then we have no moral authority to pass judgment anyway. Justice must mean more than an angry mob.


awalkingecho: Goodluckfox: awalkingecho: Goodluckfox: Lost Thought 00: Crewmannumber6: The last thing he wants is for them to let him go. He won't make it 10 feet.

Hell, someone killed one of the kids the NY Daily News falsely splashed across their cover.

Wait, what???

Yeah they found that sumir or Sunil guy's body

Oh, THAT. Dude had probably been dead a good while. Unrelated. The OP made it sound like someone killed him BECAUSE he was named as a possible suspect.

Um... He went missing after the headlines. He posted on his facebook before he fled. So that probably is why.


No, he went missing back in MARCH.
2013-04-25 12:19:12 PM  
1 votes:

Fuggin Bizzy: puddleonfire: MEANWHILE for over 15 years I have been stalked, harassed, provoked and assaulted

Occam's razor says you're crazy. Seek help.


Don't listen to this guy; he's one of 'them'!
2013-04-25 12:16:43 PM  
1 votes:

Goodluckfox: awalkingecho: Goodluckfox: Lost Thought 00: Crewmannumber6: The last thing he wants is for them to let him go. He won't make it 10 feet.

Hell, someone killed one of the kids the NY Daily News falsely splashed across their cover.

Wait, what???

Yeah they found that sumir or Sunil guy's body

Oh, THAT. Dude had probably been dead a good while. Unrelated. The OP made it sound like someone killed him BECAUSE he was named as a possible suspect.


Um... He went missing after the headlines. He posted on his facebook before he fled. So that probably is why.
2013-04-25 12:11:56 PM  
1 votes:
The Russians warned the FBI of these guys a few years ago.

MEANWHILE for over 15 years I have been stalked, harassed, provoked and assaulted by FBI Counterintel and SSG and gangstalkers for......

c) Doing a heavy metal radio show.
2013-04-25 12:08:27 PM  
1 votes:

olddinosaur: If he wasn't mirandized before, anything he said may not be admissable.

Cops f*cked up on that one, evidence was already very solid.


errrrrr.... haven't you been following this? they used a special rule (under the terrorist act) so that they could question him without having to miranda him so that they might get information of accomplices and possible other bombs, etc.

I'd be surprised that under this rule, anything said wouldn't be admissible... he's been miranda(ed), so I'd assume that from now on, anything else said without a lawyer would be an issue.

At this point, this is one of those situations that there is no question about his guilt, all that's left is how much involvement he's had, and the consequences that he'll be facing.
2013-04-25 12:06:56 PM  
1 votes:

Crewmannumber6: The last thing he wants is for them to let him go. He won't make it 10 feet.


Hell, someone killed one of the kids the NY Daily News falsely splashed across their cover. I can only imagine the torture the general public would do to this kid
2013-04-25 12:05:39 PM  
1 votes:

olddinosaur: If he wasn't mirandized before, anything he said may not be admissable.

Cops f*cked up on that one, evidence was already very solid.


nope.  There's a public safety exception that was invoked.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miranda_v._Arizona
2013-04-25 12:05:22 PM  
1 votes:

olddinosaur: If he wasn't mirandized before, anything he said may not be admissable.

Cops f*cked up on that one, evidence was already very solid.


No, I remember reading that since it was classified as a terrorist act, they had the right to immediately question. Or something to that effect.
Also the fact that everything he's said has been reported on somehow, this thing's in the bag. It comes down to now whether or not he gets the death penalty.
2013-04-25 12:05:14 PM  
1 votes:

olddinosaur: If he wasn't mirandized before, anything he said may not be admissable.

Cops f*cked up on that one, evidence was already very solid.


It doesn't mean they throw out the whole case, just whatever he said before the reading.  No problem.
2013-04-25 12:04:33 PM  
1 votes:

olddinosaur: If he wasn't mirandized before, anything he said may not be admissable.

Cops f*cked up on that one, evidence was already very solid.


It was done on purpose and wasn't an oversight.
 
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