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2013-04-25 11:49:15 AM  
They probably don't need him to say anything to convict him, they probably have enough physical evidence.
 
2013-04-25 12:01:13 PM  
The last thing he wants is for them to let him go. He won't make it 10 feet.
 
2013-04-25 12:01:45 PM  

vernonFL: They probably don't need him to say anything to convict him, they probably have enough physical evidence.


That isn't the problem. Chances of finding others involved just became impossible.
 
2013-04-25 12:01:58 PM  

Crewmannumber6: The last thing he wants is for them to let him go. He won't make it 10 feet.


Make it nine and a half.
 
2013-04-25 12:02:25 PM  
If he wasn't mirandized before, anything he said may not be admissable.

Cops f*cked up on that one, evidence was already very solid.
 
2013-04-25 12:03:42 PM  

jehovahs witness protection: vernonFL: They probably don't need him to say anything to convict him, they probably have enough physical evidence.

That isn't the problem. Chances of finding others involved just became impossible.


Yes, because there is literally no other way to gain intelligence on a possible operation. Hit the button for more meds, please.
 
2013-04-25 12:03:59 PM  
"If anyone can provide this young man with a tenacious, effective defense, it's Miriam Conrad"


I know it sounds crazy, but these reprehensible people are the backbone of our Democracy.
 
2013-04-25 12:04:33 PM  

olddinosaur: If he wasn't mirandized before, anything he said may not be admissable.

Cops f*cked up on that one, evidence was already very solid.


It was done on purpose and wasn't an oversight.
 
2013-04-25 12:05:14 PM  

olddinosaur: If he wasn't mirandized before, anything he said may not be admissable.

Cops f*cked up on that one, evidence was already very solid.


It doesn't mean they throw out the whole case, just whatever he said before the reading.  No problem.
 
2013-04-25 12:05:22 PM  

olddinosaur: If he wasn't mirandized before, anything he said may not be admissable.

Cops f*cked up on that one, evidence was already very solid.


No, I remember reading that since it was classified as a terrorist act, they had the right to immediately question. Or something to that effect.
Also the fact that everything he's said has been reported on somehow, this thing's in the bag. It comes down to now whether or not he gets the death penalty.
 
2013-04-25 12:05:39 PM  

olddinosaur: If he wasn't mirandized before, anything he said may not be admissable.

Cops f*cked up on that one, evidence was already very solid.


nope.  There's a public safety exception that was invoked.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miranda_v._Arizona
 
2013-04-25 12:05:51 PM  
Without him saying a thing they already have enough evidence to convict him.  Trying to explain that he was brainwashed or influenced by his older brother isn't going make the harm that he caused any less.  There is nothing that the defense can pull to keep him out of prison once he's discharged from the hospital.
 
2013-04-25 12:05:51 PM  
He's INNOCENT. HE WAS FRAMED!! His brother's death at the hands of law Enforcement was MURDER. Plain and simple.
/amidoinitrite
 
2013-04-25 12:06:41 PM  

olddinosaur: If he wasn't mirandized before, anything he said may not be admissable.

Cops f*cked up on that one, evidence was already very solid.


Where the hell are they going to find an impartial jury? He's already been tired and convicted by the media.
 
2013-04-25 12:06:56 PM  

Crewmannumber6: The last thing he wants is for them to let him go. He won't make it 10 feet.


Hell, someone killed one of the kids the NY Daily News falsely splashed across their cover. I can only imagine the torture the general public would do to this kid
 
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2013-04-25 12:07:14 PM  

jehovahs witness protection: vernonFL: They probably don't need him to say anything to convict him, they probably have enough physical evidence.

That isn't the problem. Chances of finding others involved just became impossible.


Care to explain how it became 100% impossible to make any additional progress in locating any (potential) others involved?

/holds breath
 
2013-04-25 12:07:36 PM  

jehovahs witness protection: vernonFL: They probably don't need him to say anything to convict him, they probably have enough physical evidence.

That isn't the problem. Chances of finding others involved just became impossible.


Oh.

He's an American, he has rights. You can whine about it, but them's the breaks.

// also not "impossible", just "less easy right now"
// Saddam ended up talking to his American guards a whole lot once we made with the Fruity Pebbles and Doritos
 
2013-04-25 12:08:27 PM  

olddinosaur: If he wasn't mirandized before, anything he said may not be admissable.

Cops f*cked up on that one, evidence was already very solid.


errrrrr.... haven't you been following this? they used a special rule (under the terrorist act) so that they could question him without having to miranda him so that they might get information of accomplices and possible other bombs, etc.

I'd be surprised that under this rule, anything said wouldn't be admissible... he's been miranda(ed), so I'd assume that from now on, anything else said without a lawyer would be an issue.

At this point, this is one of those situations that there is no question about his guilt, all that's left is how much involvement he's had, and the consequences that he'll be facing.
 
2013-04-25 12:08:54 PM  

jehovahs witness protection: vernonFL: They probably don't need him to say anything to convict him, they probably have enough physical evidence.

That isn't the problem. Chances of finding others involved just became impossible.


Done in 3.

/and by done I mean the point to where the thread is free of ridiculous hyperbole.
 
2013-04-25 12:09:11 PM  

ChipNASA: He's INNOCENT. HE WAS FRAMED!! His brother's death at the hands of law Enforcement was MURDER. Plain and simple.
/amidoinitrite


The bold was a nice touch. Perhaps some variation with font size could've been the icing on the cake.
 
2013-04-25 12:09:59 PM  

ChipNASA: He's INNOCENT. HE WAS FRAMED!! His brother's death at the hands of law Enforcement was MURDER. Plain and simple.
/amidoinitrite


yes... that the pressure cookers were meant to bring delicious food to the starving crowd.
 
2013-04-25 12:11:40 PM  

olddinosaur: If he wasn't mirandized before, anything he said may not be admissable.

Cops f*cked up on that one, evidence was already very solid.




That was before a certain day. When everything changed.
 
2013-04-25 12:11:46 PM  

Lost Thought 00: Crewmannumber6: The last thing he wants is for them to let him go. He won't make it 10 feet.

Hell, someone killed one of the kids the NY Daily News falsely splashed across their cover.


Wait, what???
 
2013-04-25 12:11:56 PM  
The Russians warned the FBI of these guys a few years ago.

MEANWHILE for over 15 years I have been stalked, harassed, provoked and assaulted by FBI Counterintel and SSG and gangstalkers for......

c) Doing a heavy metal radio show.
 
2013-04-25 12:13:01 PM  

Goodluckfox: Lost Thought 00: Crewmannumber6: The last thing he wants is for them to let him go. He won't make it 10 feet.

Hell, someone killed one of the kids the NY Daily News falsely splashed across their cover.

Wait, what???


Yeah they found that sumir or Sunil guy's body
 
2013-04-25 12:13:52 PM  

puddleonfire: MEANWHILE for over 15 years I have been stalked, harassed, provoked and assaulted


Occam's razor says you're crazy. Seek help.
 
2013-04-25 12:15:16 PM  
If you can't (heh-heh)....afford an attorney(heh-heh) ...we.....uh......we'll provide one (hee-hee)...for you..BWAHAHAHAHAHA
 
2013-04-25 12:15:19 PM  

awalkingecho: Goodluckfox: Lost Thought 00: Crewmannumber6: The last thing he wants is for them to let him go. He won't make it 10 feet.

Hell, someone killed one of the kids the NY Daily News falsely splashed across their cover.

Wait, what???

Yeah they found that sumir or Sunil guy's body


Washed up at India Point Park in Providence, RI.  I havent seen anything about how long they think he was in the water.
 
2013-04-25 12:15:19 PM  

awalkingecho: Goodluckfox: Lost Thought 00: Crewmannumber6: The last thing he wants is for them to let him go. He won't make it 10 feet.

Hell, someone killed one of the kids the NY Daily News falsely splashed across their cover.

Wait, what???

Yeah they found that sumir or Sunil guy's body


Oh, THAT. Dude had probably been dead a good while. Unrelated. The OP made it sound like someone killed him BECAUSE he was named as a possible suspect.
 
2013-04-25 12:16:43 PM  

Goodluckfox: awalkingecho: Goodluckfox: Lost Thought 00: Crewmannumber6: The last thing he wants is for them to let him go. He won't make it 10 feet.

Hell, someone killed one of the kids the NY Daily News falsely splashed across their cover.

Wait, what???

Yeah they found that sumir or Sunil guy's body

Oh, THAT. Dude had probably been dead a good while. Unrelated. The OP made it sound like someone killed him BECAUSE he was named as a possible suspect.


Um... He went missing after the headlines. He posted on his facebook before he fled. So that probably is why.
 
2013-04-25 12:16:48 PM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: "If anyone can provide this young man with a tenacious, effective defense, it's Miriam Conrad"


I know it sounds crazy, but these reprehensible people are the backbone of our Democracy.


What's reprehensible about providing a suspect with his constitutional rights? If we can't abide by the rule of law, then we have no moral authority to pass judgment anyway. Justice must mean more than an angry mob.
 
2013-04-25 12:17:36 PM  

Goodluckfox: awalkingecho: Goodluckfox: Lost Thought 00: Crewmannumber6: The last thing he wants is for them to let him go. He won't make it 10 feet.

Hell, someone killed one of the kids the NY Daily News falsely splashed across their cover.

Wait, what???

Yeah they found that sumir or Sunil guy's body

Oh, THAT. Dude had probably been dead a good while. Unrelated. The OP made it sound like someone killed him BECAUSE he was named as a possible suspect.


Probably someone who is complains about sensationalized media coverage.
 
2013-04-25 12:19:12 PM  

Fuggin Bizzy: puddleonfire: MEANWHILE for over 15 years I have been stalked, harassed, provoked and assaulted

Occam's razor says you're crazy. Seek help.


Don't listen to this guy; he's one of 'them'!
 
2013-04-25 12:19:16 PM  

awalkingecho: Goodluckfox: awalkingecho: Goodluckfox: Lost Thought 00: Crewmannumber6: The last thing he wants is for them to let him go. He won't make it 10 feet.

Hell, someone killed one of the kids the NY Daily News falsely splashed across their cover.

Wait, what???

Yeah they found that sumir or Sunil guy's body

Oh, THAT. Dude had probably been dead a good while. Unrelated. The OP made it sound like someone killed him BECAUSE he was named as a possible suspect.

Um... He went missing after the headlines. He posted on his facebook before he fled. So that probably is why.


No. Sunil Tripathi went missing on March 16, and was reportedly very depressed at the time. He has the sad yet otherwise perfect alibi of being a waterlogged corpse at the time of the bombings.

So much farking noise to signal these days. Google isn't hard, people.
 
2013-04-25 12:20:26 PM  
awalkingecho:
Yeah they found that sumir or Sunil guy's body

There's some question as to when and how he died, though. He's been missing since March 16th, and probably committed suicide that weekend (weeks before the Boston Marathon bombing). The people who thought they saw him were mostly indulging in wishful thinking.

No, he probably wasn't murdered because of the stories in the news.
 
2013-04-25 12:21:34 PM  

jshine: DROxINxTHExWIND: "If anyone can provide this young man with a tenacious, effective defense, it's Miriam Conrad"


I know it sounds crazy, but these reprehensible people are the backbone of our Democracy.

What's reprehensible about providing a suspect with his constitutional rights? If we can't abide by the rule of law, then we have no moral authority to pass judgment anyway. Justice must mean more than an angry mob.


awalkingecho: Goodluckfox: awalkingecho: Goodluckfox: Lost Thought 00: Crewmannumber6: The last thing he wants is for them to let him go. He won't make it 10 feet.

Hell, someone killed one of the kids the NY Daily News falsely splashed across their cover.

Wait, what???

Yeah they found that sumir or Sunil guy's body

Oh, THAT. Dude had probably been dead a good while. Unrelated. The OP made it sound like someone killed him BECAUSE he was named as a possible suspect.

Um... He went missing after the headlines. He posted on his facebook before he fled. So that probably is why.


No, he went missing back in MARCH.
 
2013-04-25 12:21:45 PM  

jehovahs witness protection: vernonFL: They probably don't need him to say anything to convict him, they probably have enough physical evidence.

That isn't the problem. Chances of finding others involved just became impossible.


There no indication that anyone else was involved, so finding those non-existent people was impossible from the start.
 
2013-04-25 12:22:15 PM  
How we treat suspects of crime (even if it is obvious they did it) is a measure of a healthy society. Sometime down the road I don't want them coming for me when I run a red light because I didn't say equal under the law now.

We have a healthy justice system (except for the rich and famous) why not rely on it and the rules we have established?
 
2013-04-25 12:22:25 PM  
I blame the republicans and the tea party for stealing this guy's right to remain silent.

if only a democratic person were in charge, our constitutional freedoms would have been respected.
 
2013-04-25 12:22:38 PM  

jehovahs witness protection: vernonFL: They probably don't need him to say anything to convict him, they probably have enough physical evidence.

That isn't the problem. Chances of finding others involved just became impossible.


We still hold the possibility of the death penalty over his head, and it became impossible?

I'm glad to hear you think torture doesn't work.
 
2013-04-25 12:22:47 PM  

ruta: awalkingecho: Goodluckfox: awalkingecho: Goodluckfox: Lost Thought 00: Crewmannumber6: The last thing he wants is for them to let him go. He won't make it 10 feet.

Hell, someone killed one of the kids the NY Daily News falsely splashed across their cover.

Wait, what???

Yeah they found that sumir or Sunil guy's body

Oh, THAT. Dude had probably been dead a good while. Unrelated. The OP made it sound like someone killed him BECAUSE he was named as a possible suspect.

Um... He went missing after the headlines. He posted on his facebook before he fled. So that probably is why.

No. Sunil Tripathi went missing on March 16, and was reportedly very depressed at the time. He has the sad yet otherwise perfect alibi of being a waterlogged corpse at the time of the bombings.

So much farking noise to signal these days. Google isn't hard, people.


Google is hard when your laptop is broken and all you have is m.fark.com
 
2013-04-25 12:22:57 PM  

Crewmannumber6: The last thing he wants is for them to let him go. He won't make it 10 feet.


Shot while attempting to escape? I'm ok with this, just this once.
 
2013-04-25 12:23:45 PM  
 
2013-04-25 12:24:37 PM  

awalkingecho: ruta: awalkingecho: Goodluckfox: awalkingecho: Goodluckfox: Lost Thought 00: Crewmannumber6: The last thing he wants is for them to let him go. He won't make it 10 feet.

Hell, someone killed one of the kids the NY Daily News falsely splashed across their cover.

Wait, what???

Yeah they found that sumir or Sunil guy's body

Oh, THAT. Dude had probably been dead a good while. Unrelated. The OP made it sound like someone killed him BECAUSE he was named as a possible suspect.

Um... He went missing after the headlines. He posted on his facebook before he fled. So that probably is why.

No. Sunil Tripathi went missing on March 16, and was reportedly very depressed at the time. He has the sad yet otherwise perfect alibi of being a waterlogged corpse at the time of the bombings.

So much farking noise to signal these days. Google isn't hard, people.

Google is hard when your laptop is broken and all you have is m.fark.com


It's still easy than making an ass of yourself.
 
2013-04-25 12:24:40 PM  

Zombie DJ: If you can't (heh-heh)....afford an attorney(heh-heh) ...we.....uh......we'll provide one (hee-hee)...for you..BWAHAHAHAHAHA


he'll get a good attorney.  high profile cases like that attract attorneys who want to make a name for themselves.  i don't blame them, it's what you do as a foot soldier of democracy and liberty.  and everyone deserves a competent defense.  fortunately for justice, this guy is toast.

/ i blame bad investigators, not good defense attorneys, for bad guys getting away.
// i do feel sorry if this goes to a public defender though, cause it's going to ruin their social life. at least the high profile goon wants the publicity.  public defenders usually just want to do good.  and, depending on where you live, some places have excellent public defenders.  I would assume boston would.  you have great legal universities and lots of almost sympathetic criminals.  the perfect mix for a public defender.
 
2013-04-25 12:25:36 PM  

Coco LaFemme: awalkingecho: ruta: awalkingecho: Goodluckfox: awalkingecho: Goodluckfox: Lost Thought 00: Crewmannumber6: The last thing he wants is for them to let him go. He won't make it 10 feet.

Hell, someone killed one of the kids the NY Daily News falsely splashed across their cover.

Wait, what???

Yeah they found that sumir or Sunil guy's body

Oh, THAT. Dude had probably been dead a good while. Unrelated. The OP made it sound like someone killed him BECAUSE he was named as a possible suspect.

Um... He went missing after the headlines. He posted on his facebook before he fled. So that probably is why.

No. Sunil Tripathi went missing on March 16, and was reportedly very depressed at the time. He has the sad yet otherwise perfect alibi of being a waterlogged corpse at the time of the bombings.

So much farking noise to signal these days. Google isn't hard, people.

Google is hard when your laptop is broken and all you have is m.fark.com

It's still easy than making an ass of yourself.


Not really. It doesn't work on this phone properly. I was just repeating what I heard here because I know you are all so knowledgeable
 
2013-04-25 12:26:03 PM  

awalkingecho: Goodluckfox: awalkingecho: Goodluckfox: Lost Thought 00: Crewmannumber6: The last thing he wants is for them to let him go. He won't make it 10 feet.

Hell, someone killed one of the kids the NY Daily News falsely splashed across their cover.

Wait, what???

Yeah they found that sumir or Sunil guy's body

Oh, THAT. Dude had probably been dead a good while. Unrelated. The OP made it sound like someone killed him BECAUSE he was named as a possible suspect.

Um... He went missing after the headlines. He posted on his facebook before he fled. So that probably is why.


It takes five seconds on google to find out that you're full of shiat.  Why post in the first place?
 
2013-04-25 12:26:05 PM  

ruta: No. Sunil Tripathi went missing on March 16, and was reportedly very depressed at the time. He has the sad yet otherwise perfect alibi of being a waterlogged corpse at the time of the bombings.So much farking noise to signal these days. Google isn't hard, people.


To HELL with your facts and timelines! This is our last chance to blame the Tea Party for something!

/NO SAMIL, NO JUSTICE, NO PEACE!
//amidoinitrite?
 
2013-04-25 12:27:43 PM  
I get that the Feds were worried that there might be a ticking bomb somewhere, but if you've watched just one episode of Law & Order, then you know that not mirandizing Dzhokhar from the start is going turn the whole thing into a legal train wreck. It's also seems hard to even argue that there could have even been a ticking time bomb scenario given that when he was arrested his whereabouts for the last 24 hours had been mostly accounted for, and that for the better part of the day he was hunkered in boat bleeding. And on top of that, the police ended the lockdown.
 
2013-04-25 12:28:20 PM  

Great Janitor: Without him saying a thing they already have enough evidence to convict him.  Trying to explain that he was brainwashed or influenced by his older brother isn't going make the harm that he caused any less.  There is nothing that the defense can pull to keep him out of prison once he's discharged from the hospital.


Almost certainly not...this is one of those cases where you count life imprisonment for your client as a "win".
 
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