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(Yahoo)   Obama's "red line" for Syria's use of chemical weapons is proving to be more of a "fuzzy reddish gradient"   (news.yahoo.com) divider line 133
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2013-04-25 08:12:18 AM  
Remember the last time we attacked a guy who used chemical weapons?
 
2013-04-25 08:15:44 AM  
What's happening in Syria is bad, but I don't want US Soldiers involved.
 
2013-04-25 08:22:48 AM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Remember the last time we attacked a guy who used chemical weapons?


Soon as 2028 comes Assad's really gonna be in for it?
 
2013-04-25 08:32:28 AM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Remember the last time we attacked a guy who used chemical weapons?


Wasn't it reported that he sent those chemical weapons to Syria?
Either way, I don't see how it involves us.
 
2013-04-25 08:40:00 AM  
Dibs on "Fuzzy Reddish Gradient" as a  band name.
 
2013-04-25 08:50:04 AM  
And we need to be involved at all because...
 
2013-04-25 08:58:51 AM  
1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-04-25 09:17:20 AM  
What's the other option, realistically?
 
2013-04-25 09:17:29 AM  

Gulper Eel: The Stealth Hippopotamus: Remember the last time we attacked a guy who used chemical weapons?

Soon as 2028 comes Assad's really gonna be in for it?


Will Obama's daughter's be 35 by then to become president?
 
2013-04-25 09:18:17 AM  

Sybarite: [1.bp.blogspot.com image 750x600]


Pshh, that's the stupidest thing I've ever heard.

::plays RISK::

damnit.
 
2013-04-25 09:19:54 AM  

minoridiot: The Stealth Hippopotamus: Remember the last time we attacked a guy who used chemical weapons?

Wasn't it reported that he sent those chemical weapons to Syria?
Either way, I don't see how it involves us.


The Israelis asked nicely.
 
2013-04-25 09:19:56 AM  
If only there was a way to express our displeasure without putting American troops in harms way...

patdollard.com
 
2013-04-25 09:20:06 AM  
You mean nations with more at stake in the region want to get involved, but don't have the military power so they are pushing for the US to get involved?
 
2013-04-25 09:20:09 AM  
Well - no one has ever accused Obama's administration on being weak on terror.
 
2013-04-25 09:21:02 AM  
How about we let the EU handle it this time?  Time to dust off their bombers and choppers
 
2013-04-25 09:21:31 AM  

James!: If only there was a way to express our displeasure without putting American troops in harms way...

[patdollard.com image 550x316]


I dunno, this doesn't seem like a customs or border protection issue...
 
2013-04-25 09:21:35 AM  
Good. Better cautious than repeating 2003. Adults are running the show now.

/fark neocons. fark Republicans.
 
2013-04-25 09:21:55 AM  
Oh, well if Britain, France, and Israel  together said it, it must be true. Those three countries, especially in tandem with one another, would  never job on us, right?
 
2013-04-25 09:23:41 AM  
It's prudent to explore sales opportunities before going all bombing campaign. He'll need to replenish if he actually used them.

Seriously though, is there irrefutable proof yet? Images are nearly useless anymore.
 
2013-04-25 09:24:13 AM  

that bosnian sniper: Oh, well if Britain, France, and Israel  together said it, it must be true. Those three countries, especially in tandem with one another, would  never job on us, right?


When France and Israel agree on anything, I'd say it warrants closer scrutiny.

// 200 years ago, I'd have said the same thing about the UK/France
 
2013-04-25 09:24:36 AM  

what_now: What's happening in Syria is bad, but I don't want US Soldiers involved.


What's happening is Syria is extremely bad on every civlized level. However as a regional conflict it's rather contained. Even though we just sent 200 troops to Jordan to set up for 20,000 more.
 
2013-04-25 09:24:36 AM  

karnal: Well - no one has ever accused Obama's administration on being weak on terror.


If we're playing that angle, the insurgents are the terrorists.
 
2013-04-25 09:25:28 AM  

MugzyBrown: How about we let the EU handle it this time?  Time to dust off their bombers and choppers


They could use a good war.  It's great for the economy.
 
2013-04-25 09:27:30 AM  
This whole situation is tragic and ridiculous. There is no way Assad would use chemical weapons. He can brutally murder his entire country if he wants, provided he uses conventional weapons, so why on earth would he mess with that? There is literally one thing he cannot do to civilians, and I'm having trouble believing that even Assad would cross that line.
 
2013-04-25 09:28:06 AM  
Good, let's stay the f*ck out of it
 
2013-04-25 09:28:40 AM  
Well if they're so sure, why don't Britain, France, and Israel go do something about it, then?
 
2013-04-25 09:29:11 AM  

James!: If only there was a way to express our displeasure without putting American troops in harms way...

[patdollard.com image 550x316]


The best part about drones is that they let us kill brown people in illegal wars without any risk to good Americans!

Read this. http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/apr/24/boston-terrorism- m otives-us-violence
 
2013-04-25 09:30:49 AM  
chemical weapons..in my syria?

Lissen politicians,
if yer gonna puff up yer chest against a foreign nation
then you need to F@*#ING keep your word
Better you kept yer yap shut
than show your ass to the world
 
2013-04-25 09:31:22 AM  

WTF Indeed: You mean nations with more at stake in the region want to get involved, but don't have the military power so they are pushing for the US to get involved?


Isn't the US basically the only military power?
 
2013-04-25 09:31:30 AM  
Instead, we'll just arm the insurgency operated by the Muslim Brotherhood.  Hell, we'll send F16s to them too.
 
2013-04-25 09:31:49 AM  
Interesting that Assad is "increasingly desperate" and simultaneously the rebels position is so tenuous that nothing short of a bombing campaign by the strongest airforce in the world could tip the scales.

I wonder if the authors of this article have some sort of agenda...
 
2013-04-25 09:33:03 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: insurgents are the terrorists


Insurgents challenge the existing government for control.....terrorists are cowards that just bomb and kill civilians.
 
2013-04-25 09:33:08 AM  
We get it, he's not an invade-any-country-at-the-drop-of-a-hat chickenhawk.
 
2013-04-25 09:34:16 AM  

Aarontology: James!: If only there was a way to express our displeasure without putting American troops in harms way...

[patdollard.com image 550x316]

The best part about drones is that they let us kill brown people in illegal wars without any risk to good Americans!

Read this. http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/apr/24/boston-terrorism- m otives-us-violence


I consider myself to be very liberal, but Glenn Greenwald is a farking tard.  Targeted strikes where we aren't putting troops in danger worked in Kosovo and they'll continue to work in the future.  Middle Eastern extremist want us the hell out of the region so that they can take over.  We aren't going to leave so we need to protect our interests in ways that limit the loss of life on our end.
 
2013-04-25 09:34:53 AM  

MichiganFTL: James!: If only there was a way to express our displeasure without putting American troops in harms way...

[patdollard.com image 550x316]

I dunno, this doesn't seem like a customs or border protection issue...


commerce clause, can be applied anywhere.  Especially directly to the forehead

/apply directly to the forehead
//apply directly to the forehead
 
2013-04-25 09:35:19 AM  

moothemagiccow: WTF Indeed: You mean nations with more at stake in the region want to get involved, but don't have the military power so they are pushing for the US to get involved?

Isn't the US basically the only military power?


The only one stupid enough to do other countries dirty work. Oh the (hopefully) good we could do with all the money we waste on other countries problems...

Can someone please explain to me why I should care more about helping 100,000 people in a far-off country from their own government than our own government using that same money to help 100,000 people in THIS country?
 
2013-04-25 09:35:35 AM  

MugzyBrown: How about we let the EU handle it this time?  Time to dust off their bombers and choppers


Worked for me in Libya - the dusty shiat hole with a dead dictator and just enough US effort that everyone knows we're in the backseat because we pay the driver.

/America! fark yeah!
 
2013-04-25 09:36:41 AM  

Fuggin Bizzy: Good. Better cautious than repeating 2003. Adults are running the show now.

/fark neocons. fark Republicans.



Naw fark that. Lets put them on a list of deadly nations and lets give the list a scary name. Something like, "The Motherless America-Hating Douchebag Nations Full of Rapists and Child Murderers". Then, when the Democrats try to cut Defense spending we can call them unpatriotic, terrorist sympathizers who go all Michael Dukakis when their wives are raped and murdered. It worked once.
 
2013-04-25 09:37:02 AM  

moothemagiccow: Isn't the US basically the only military power?


No, but to institute a no-fly zone, which is the very minimum other nations could do, you would have to take out all Syria's air defenses first. European countries could do this, but it would take days and put pilots at risk since they don't have enough cruise missiles to do it remotely.
 
2013-04-25 09:37:15 AM  

James!: I consider myself to be very liberal, but Glenn Greenwald is a farking tard.  Targeted strikes where we aren't putting troops in danger worked in Kosovo and they'll continue to work in the future.  Middle Eastern extremist want us the hell out of the region so that they can take over.  We aren't going to leave so we need to protect our interests in ways that limit the loss of life on our end.


I didn't know children and first responders were our targets
 
2013-04-25 09:37:16 AM  

karnal: HotWingConspiracy: insurgents are the terrorists

Insurgents challenge the existing government for control.....terrorists are cowards that just bomb and kill civilians.


Yeah, they've been doing that too.
 
2013-04-25 09:38:02 AM  
well, assad didn't try to kill obama's daddy, so we're probably not going to get into a ground war with him.
 
2013-04-25 09:38:14 AM  
I'll give France a pass on this one since they're involved in Mali, but the rest of the EU needs to take the helm on this, or STFU about it.
 
2013-04-25 09:38:49 AM  

Ned Stark: Interesting that Assad is "increasingly desperate" and simultaneously the rebels position is so tenuous that nothing short of a bombing campaign by the strongest airforce in the world could tip the scales.

I wonder if the authors of this article have some sort of agenda...


You mean like in Libya where the same argument was made as the reason to criticize Obama for lack of intervention, then 180 within twelve hours of Obama's announcement  to intervene?
 
2013-04-25 09:40:19 AM  
I'm waiting for the Italian intelligence report on this before I make a judgment...
 
2013-04-25 09:44:10 AM  

what_now: What's happening in Syria is bad, but I don't want US Soldiers involved.


Done in two.
 
2013-04-25 09:44:12 AM  

James!: I consider myself to be very liberal, but Glenn Greenwald is a farking tard. Targeted strikes where we aren't putting troops in danger worked in Kosovo and they'll continue to work in the future. Middle Eastern extremist want us the hell out of the region so that they can take over. We aren't going to leave so we need to protect our interests in ways that limit the loss of life on our end.


Did you not read the parts where villagers who've been victims of drone strikes pretty much instantly turn anti-American and start supporting extremism and terror? These things routinely kill innocents around the targets, and yet we try to pretend that they're somehow better because a troop isn't in harms way, at least immediately. In Afghanistan, Pakistan, and Yemen, the only thing that does a better job of turning "normal" people into anti-American fighters than some extremist cleric is a drone strike that takes out a bunch of innocents.

You considering yourself very liberal doesn't mean a goddamned thing. You're still continuing the permanent war on terror, you're still supporting illegal wars, and you're still justifying killing innocents. Just because American troops aren't immediately in harm's way doesn't mean that we should continue with this nonsense. It's also a half assed way to do it because you can't secure a goddamned thing with a drone, you can't engage the people, and you can't really control who you ally with.

It's the same as those retard neocons who constantly want to wage war with Iran, and use the military as the first and only option in foreign policy.
 
2013-04-25 09:44:37 AM  

karnal: HotWingConspiracy: insurgents are the terrorists

Insurgents challenge the existing government for control.....terrorists are cowards that just bomb and kill civilians.


No, insurgent is DoD's name for rebels who want to take their country back from the US. These are just rebels until the US gets involved.
 
2013-04-25 09:49:44 AM  

MichiganFTL: moothemagiccow: WTF Indeed: You mean nations with more at stake in the region want to get involved, but don't have the military power so they are pushing for the US to get involved?

Isn't the US basically the only military power?

The only one stupid enough to do other countries dirty work. Oh the (hopefully) good we could do with all the money we waste on other countries problems...

Can someone please explain to me why I should care more about helping 100,000 people in a far-off country from their own government than our own government using that same money to help 100,000 people in THIS country?


It's usually so you can live 2 miles from a grocery but 2 yards from your neighbor. Oil!
 
2013-04-25 09:50:06 AM  

minoridiot: The Stealth Hippopotamus: Remember the last time we attacked a guy who used chemical weapons?

Wasn't it reported that he sent those chemical weapons to Syria?
Either way, I don't see how it involves us.

Says the man on the internet that can communicate with anyone in the world.
Everything is global, Everything involves us..
It's sort of like 6 deg's of Bacon.
The facts are, the nasty bastards that run Syria and Iran are allies and hate western culture (mostly our religious freedom).  They also have a proven low respect for human life and have openly declared war on us.  Add those things together and few Americans would call that a "good thing."

Quote a fairly liberal Democrat:
"Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe to assure the survival and the success of liberty." -JFK

If we, as a nation, believe that we are good, and are willing to fight those that are bad, the question becomes not "Why should we get involved?" but "Who are the good guys and how can we help?"  By our pure size and power we are already involved.  If we do nothing that is our choice and it has consequences.
We have poisoned a lot of wells, by not following through with our promise to "support any friend" that fight for liberty.  So now we don't have many allies that feel like they can trust us.  If we ignore them, through our apathy, we allow the world to become less liberal.  Few people that live in freedom,  more that live under tyranny.  That does not make the world that we live in better, or more secure.
Does that mean we need to send troops to Syria and back the rebels.  Maybe, Maybe not.  I don't know.  Unfortunately I don't think our leaders are competent enough to know either.
 
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