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2013-04-25 11:24:29 AM  
Isn't Dell going private? Wouldn't that be a bad long-term investment?
 
2013-04-25 11:35:09 AM  

Gonz: Isn't Dell going private? Wouldn't that be a bad long-term investment?


Considering how VultureVenture capitalism goes, it's a good move for Dell, considering they seemingly still want to be a company not hated by customers and employees.
 
2013-04-25 11:43:22 AM  

DarkSoulNoHope: Gonz: Isn't Dell going private? Wouldn't that be a bad long-term investment?

Considering how VultureVenture capitalism goes, it's a good move for Dell, considering they seemingly still want to be a company not hated by customers and employees.


Not really.

They will load the company up with debt and float in IPO.

/See Seaworld.
 
2013-04-25 11:51:14 AM  

DarkSoulNoHope: Gonz: Isn't Dell going private? Wouldn't that be a bad long-term investment?

Considering how VultureVenture capitalism goes, it's a good move for Dell, considering they seemingly still want to be a company not hated by customers and employees.


I used to like dell, now i'll never buy a dell.

they used to make decent stuff for the price, but now, at least on the consumer level, it's all junk, or not appropriately priced.

their tomfoolery when it comes to apple-like gimmicks to force you to stay in house or just unacceptable, especially when the quality of their product is so second rate these days.
 
2013-04-25 11:53:22 AM  
I'm awaiting a quote on 8 dell workstations so I'm getting a kick...

/go ahead, tell me I should have gone elsewhere - my question would be, where? It's an autocad shop - please don't say apple
 
2013-04-25 11:55:53 AM  

mcreadyblue: DarkSoulNoHope: Gonz: Isn't Dell going private? Wouldn't that be a bad long-term investment?

Considering how VultureVenture capitalism goes, it's a good move for Dell, considering they seemingly still want to be a company not hated by customers and employees.

Not really.

They will load the company up with debt and float in IPO.

/See Seaworld.


Depends on who buys it.  The company I work for(a major wellknown multinational corporation) was taken private by an investment firm years ago and it seems their goal is to build value in what was an undervalued company and (I'd assume) go public and cash in.  No vultures here, no debt problems, still conform with GAAP and post earnings as if the company was public, etc.
 
2013-04-25 11:56:27 AM  

pute kisses like a man: DarkSoulNoHope: Gonz: Isn't Dell going private? Wouldn't that be a bad long-term investment?

Considering how VultureVenture capitalism goes, it's a good move for Dell, considering they seemingly still want to be a company not hated by customers and employees.

I used to like dell, now i'll never buy a dell.

they used to make decent stuff for the price, but now, at least on the consumer level, it's all junk, or not appropriately priced.

their tomfoolery when it comes to apple-like gimmicks to force you to stay in house or just unacceptable, especially when the quality of their product is so second rate these days.


That's why they're trying to go private. Michael Dell has said that he wants to be able to make decisions that will pay off in 5 years, but Wall Street demands things that pay off next quarter, with no regard to the future.

Quality costs more. You get better short-term profit margins with cheap components.
 
2013-04-25 11:56:32 AM  

JohnBigBootay: I'm awaiting a quote on 8 dell workstations so I'm getting a kick...

/go ahead, tell me I should have gone elsewhere - my question would be, where? It's an autocad shop - please don't say apple


A local builder?
 
2013-04-25 12:01:45 PM  

bhcompy: A local builder?


I guess maybe worth a look. I used to use a local builder but it's tough to compete against dell on price, especially when they'll finance dirt cheap. I have to say the precision t3600 a lot of us are using are pretty damn nice machines. There's only 25 of us but I haven't had a single problem in a year of running them.
 
2013-04-25 12:04:33 PM  
This is the death of the PC!!!
 
jgi
2013-04-25 12:06:48 PM  
I buy Dell machines for my clients all the time. The low end models are cheap and expendable, the high end models are good enough. The warranty is great; something breaks, a Dell tech replaces it the next day. Would I ever buy a Dell for myself? No. But the most important thing to my clients is price and warranty. Throw an SSD in the machine and they've got nothing to complain about when it comes to speed. Most of the time it's cheaper to replace a Dell completely than pay me and buy hardware to fix a broken one.

I recommend Apple for home use. They rarely break, they don't get viruses, and they're easy to use. Resale value is good. Obviously won't work if you're a gamer, but for most people who just look at the internet and check their email an Apple works great.
 
2013-04-25 12:06:54 PM  

bhcompy: JohnBigBootay: I'm awaiting a quote on 8 dell workstations so I'm getting a kick...

/go ahead, tell me I should have gone elsewhere - my question would be, where? It's an autocad shop - please don't say apple

A local builder?


And deal with  warranties or whatever service they can provide?  That can cause problems.  My company used to do that until a couple of machines had problems (broken motherboard, damaged PSU) meaning days of downtime for machines that were getting used 24/7.  At least with Dell you know you will get proper support.

Apple Desktops are a piece of shiat, years old graphics cards and wildly overpriced.  Not to mention that most CAD software is built for Windows.  I would say HP is the only other option but that isn't a much better proposition than Dell.
 
2013-04-25 12:08:43 PM  

JohnBigBootay: bhcompy: A local builder?

I guess maybe worth a look. I used to use a local builder but it's tough to compete against dell on price, especially when they'll finance dirt cheap. I have to say the precision t3600 a lot of us are using are pretty damn nice machines. There's only 25 of us but I haven't had a single problem in a year of running them.


It's really hard to beat Dell's whole "We'll have a tech and the parts there the next day" business service.  The only bad batch of Dells I've ever heard of were the GX270s that ended up with the bad batch of capacitors.  I hear HP does good stuff, but every time I price a HP it comes out costing more than the Dell.
 
2013-04-25 12:33:59 PM  

Faddy: bhcompy: JohnBigBootay: I'm awaiting a quote on 8 dell workstations so I'm getting a kick...

/go ahead, tell me I should have gone elsewhere - my question would be, where? It's an autocad shop - please don't say apple

A local builder?

And deal with  warranties or whatever service they can provide?  That can cause problems.  My company used to do that until a couple of machines had problems (broken motherboard, damaged PSU) meaning days of downtime for machines that were getting used 24/7.  At least with Dell you know you will get proper support.

Apple Desktops are a piece of shiat, years old graphics cards and wildly overpriced.  Not to mention that most CAD software is built for Windows.  I would say HP is the only other option but that isn't a much better proposition than Dell.


I am guessing you really enjoy using Windows 8?
 
2013-04-25 12:39:37 PM  

mcreadyblue: I am guessing you really enjoy using Windows 8?


I'm getting win 7 pro boxes for work. I actually have a win 8 laptop at home. I'm not in love with it but it's fast and stable. I just hit the desktop button when I log in to be honest so I never even see the metro shiat.
 
2013-04-25 12:42:05 PM  
Recently, well last July, bought an Alienware (Dell) laptop. Got to say, I am very happy with it, especially since I put in an SSD. Yes, I could have built a marginally better desktop for a little less but I like the portability of it greatly for when I travel.
 
2013-04-25 12:50:08 PM  
Dell's consumer lines are shiate, and they know it. They raced HP to the bottom as fast they both could get there and now that they've hit it both companies are all "What, was that wrong? Should I not have done that?" The problem with were they are at now is there is nowhere to go but back up and once you've accustomed customers to cheap hardware in cheap chassis that come cheap and fail quick they begin to think that's all you build. Or that somehow they can get better quality for the same price elsewhere.  Of course it doesn't work that way but you've now given up a customer for at least one purchase and it's not like consumers buy all that many laptops or desktops per yer for personal use.

The business lines are still great boxes with excellent support. They are also priced less than any major competitor with the occasional exception of Lenovo, who presently some fantastic deals on corporate purchases and even go out of their way to offer Win7 licenses.

And for all the whackadoos still out there - unless you have a specific compatibility need for Win7 or XP or f*cking Windows 98 there is absolutely nothing whatsoever wrong with Win8 in a commercial environment. It's just an O/S.
 
2013-04-25 12:51:25 PM  

JohnBigBootay: I'm awaiting a quote on 8 dell workstations so I'm getting a kick...

/go ahead, tell me I should have gone elsewhere - my question would be, where? It's an autocad shop - please don't say apple


Count me in as in the same boat: 20 person autocad/revit shop, using specced out Dell Precisions (laptops).

I've been a happy customer with their Precision line for 7 years now with exception of a pair I got last year. It was bad enough of service that I'm contemplating for another option - although I love their docking stations, which we're heavily invested in.

These are ~$5,000 laptops with top end quadro cards. After a few months, they started bluescreening several times a day. Updating drivers/bios just made the problem worse. After dealing with their support for *several weeks* they finally few up a factory tech from Texas. The story I got, which I'm somewhat increadulous of, is that they installed the wrong video cards, even though the correct card showed up in the device settings (say, a Quadro 2xxx vs the 4xxx that was supposed to be in there). As the computer got updates, the drivers got further and further away from the card's feature set, causing the constant blue screens.

Thankfully, they replaced the video cards - and it's been smooth sailing since. But they should have gotten it right the first time. It is nice to have 1-day on-site response warranty. I just wish I didn't have to pull teeth to get them to come out.
 
2013-04-25 01:03:03 PM  

mcreadyblue: DarkSoulNoHope: Gonz: Isn't Dell going private? Wouldn't that be a bad long-term investment?

Considering how VultureVenture capitalism goes, it's a good move for Dell, considering they seemingly still want to be a company not hated by customers and employees.

Not really.

They will load the company up with debt and float in IPO.

/See Seaworld.


This is why I hate Blackstone. Talk about not worrying how many people you hurt just to make a quick buck. Dell should be ecstatic that they exited the bidding.
 
2013-04-25 01:24:37 PM  

JohnBigBootay: I'm awaiting a quote on 8 dell workstations so I'm getting a kick...

/go ahead, tell me I should have gone elsewhere - my question would be, where? It's an autocad shop - please don't say apple


Go Lenovo.  The have solid , powerful systems they have not changed much since taking over from IBM.
 
2013-04-25 01:26:55 PM  
A Shambling Mound:

And for all the whackadoos still out there - unless you have a specific compatibility need for Win7 or XP or f*cking Windows 98 there is absolutely nothing whatsoever wrong with Win8 in a commercial environment. It's just an O/S.

As long as you have a good training program to get people used to the new Metro interface.  The core is W7 SP2, very solid.  Once you figure out the Metro you can be more efficient then W7.  Just be sure to AD lockdown the Windows Store for apps.
 
2013-04-25 01:27:18 PM  
I used to work in a large data center. I'd say their servers are selling well. Probably the single most common brand of server I'd see.

/Super Micro was 2nd.
 
2013-04-25 01:41:15 PM  
Wouldn't touch their consumer boxes but we're in the process of switching from HP to Dell for our corporate needs and it's a world of difference.  I could rant at great length about HP, their inane Indian call centers, crappy website and lackluster tech support (when I say a system won't POST, why do you make me tell you 5 times that I cannot run any diagnostics?), but I'll restrict it to one example.

We had a HDD fail in an HP machine with 24/7 4 hour onsite repair.  It took 4 DAYS and multiple phonecalls to get a replacement.  We had a HDD fail on an older Dell under the same warranty parameters, and I had it in hand in <4 hours.  And no, it's not a one-time fluke with HP, it took 8 hours and multiple calls and emails to receive yet another replacement drive under the same 4 hr "on site" warranty. *sigh*

Anyhow, we just spent >$1M on new Dells, with more to come, so I'm getting a kick...

/Loving iDRAC7
 
2013-04-25 02:01:02 PM  

IamSoSmart_S_M_R_T: Wouldn't touch their consumer boxes but we're in the process of switching from HP to Dell for our corporate needs and it's a world of difference.  I could rant at great length about HP, their inane Indian call centers, crappy website and lackluster tech support (when I say a system won't POST, why do you make me tell you 5 times that I cannot run any diagnostics?), but I'll restrict it to one example.

We had a HDD fail in an HP machine with 24/7 4 hour onsite repair.  It took 4 DAYS and multiple phonecalls to get a replacement.  We had a HDD fail on an older Dell under the same warranty parameters, and I had it in hand in <4 hours.  And no, it's not a one-time fluke with HP, it took 8 hours and multiple calls and emails to receive yet another replacement drive under the same 4 hr "on site" warranty. *sigh*

Anyhow, we just spent >$1M on new Dells, with more to come, so I'm getting a kick...

/Loving iDRAC7


Exactly, had nothing but trouble out of their consumer line. Their enterprise line has been a rock-solid set of workstations. Plus, the next day support with an on-site option is so much better than what HP or others have in place. If a HDD failed, I just had to call them and they shipped me a drive the next day and I threw it in.
 
2013-04-25 02:17:36 PM  

JohnBigBootay: go ahead, tell me I should have gone elsewhere - my question would be, where?


Coolermaster case, ASUS mobo, Intel i3770 CPU, decent power supply, Windows 7, and you're almost there.
 
2013-04-25 02:18:53 PM  
I support about 300 desktops and servers. Dell's servers and business workstations are pretty rock solid. Things go down, I quick troubleshoot the problem, and get in contact with Dell. In a short amount of time I have a replacement and am back in business. Easy peasy.

iDrac is awesome, and I love it. Combined with Kickstart and Puppet my job can be overtly easy sometimes.
 
2013-04-25 02:30:02 PM  

JohnBigBootay: I'm awaiting a quote on 8 dell workstations so I'm getting a kick...

/go ahead, tell me I should have gone elsewhere - my question would be, where? It's an autocad shop - please don't say apple


I have the same problem. Ordered to go with Dell so it compatible with all the docking stations in the office. I got the exception though muahaha and pick whatever brand I wanted. It good to be the head of IT at times.
 
2013-04-25 02:30:24 PM  

IamSoSmart_S_M_R_T: I had it in hand in <4 hours


I had Dell replace a system board battery in 2 hours.  In a way too big box/envelope.  They also had a guy drive it out to me.  Impressive but also wasteful (my opinion).
 
2013-04-25 02:45:30 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: Coolermaster case, ASUS mobo, Intel i3770 CPU, decent power supply, Windows 7, and you're almost there.


I'd love to if I had the time. But it's hard to beat win7 pro with a quad core xeon, 8GB ram, and office preinstalled for $1200. Plug, play, GBTW.
 
2013-04-25 02:46:11 PM  
GoodyearPimp: I had Dell replace a system board battery in 2 hours.  In a way too big box/envelope.  They also had a guy drive it out to me.  Impressive but also wasteful (my opinion).

Dell has an infrastructure in place to support enterprise customers who pay through the nose for 24x7x2 hardware replacement policies.  Now and then Joe User will luck out and reap the benefits of that infrastructure.
 
2013-04-25 02:46:50 PM  
I just bought an Inspiron 660 with the 3330 chip and Win 7.  It gets delivered next week.

Our other home computer from 2005 is still working just great.
 
2013-04-25 03:15:54 PM  

JohnBigBootay: Marcus Aurelius: Coolermaster case, ASUS mobo, Intel i3770 CPU, decent power supply, Windows 7, and you're almost there.

I'd love to if I had the time. But it's hard to beat win7 pro with a quad core xeon, 8GB ram, and office preinstalled for $1200. Plug, play, GBTW.


That's the thing that I chuckle about when people say build your own computers in a business environment.

Sure, I can go onto Newegg, and order 5 motherboards, 5 CPUs, 10 sticks of RAM, 5 video cards, 5 hard drives, 5 power supplies, 5 cases, 5 tubes thermal paste and such. Then when they arrive, clear out a room and spend a couple days assembling and installing OEM licensed software, then crossing my fingers that nothing is wrong with any of the ~50+ separate components that I ordered. If there is, good luck dealing with keeping track of warranties for every single item. And maybe, I'll save a grand. With 20-25 users, and a rotating 3 year upgrade cycle, rinse & repeat that process every 6 months.

Or, I could go to Dell.com - click on our standard build/warranty combo, hit 5x to the order and get our preferred partner discount, and wait two weeks for computers that are plug-in and use. And I have one warranty code to write down. Meanwhile, during that time that I would have spent building custom workstations, I'm able to bill our clients for $80 an hour for services and make a couple grand for the office.

Custom building computers can be fun. But after hasseling with two or three, every decade for home use - there's no farking way I'm going to opt to do a dozen a year for work and then support the OEM parts warranty with every single thing that goes wrong with them.
 
2013-04-25 03:19:07 PM  

the opposite of charity is justice: Now and then Joe User will luck out and reap the benefits of that infrastructure.


Oh I don't disagree (though in this case I was an enterprise customer).  They really should have sent me 10 (or 100) of them just to avoid the future costs.
 
2013-04-25 03:24:48 PM  

MrSteve007: Custom building computers can be fun.


Exactly. Fun for my house. I ain't got anywhere near that much time at work. I suspect my boss likes it like that.
 
2013-04-25 03:30:15 PM  

undflickertail: JohnBigBootay: I'm awaiting a quote on 8 dell workstations so I'm getting a kick...

/go ahead, tell me I should have gone elsewhere - my question would be, where? It's an autocad shop - please don't say apple

Go Lenovo.  The have solid , powerful systems they have not changed much since taking over from IBM.



Seconded.  I've had excellent experience with Lenovo, both in terms of hardware quality and customer service.  Just catch them during one of their big sales.
 
2013-04-25 03:33:37 PM  

IamSoSmart_S_M_R_T: Wouldn't touch their consumer boxes but we're in the process of switching from HP to Dell for our corporate needs and it's a world of difference.  I could rant at great length about HP, their inane Indian call centers, crappy website and lackluster tech support (when I say a system won't POST, why do you make me tell you 5 times that I cannot run any diagnostics?), but I'll restrict it to one example.

We had a HDD fail in an HP machine with 24/7 4 hour onsite repair.  It took 4 DAYS and multiple phonecalls to get a replacement.  We had a HDD fail on an older Dell under the same warranty parameters, and I had it in hand in <4 hours.  And no, it's not a one-time fluke with HP, it took 8 hours and multiple calls and emails to receive yet another replacement drive under the same 4 hr "on site" warranty. *sigh*

Anyhow, we just spent >$1M on new Dells, with more to come, so I'm getting a kick...

/Loving iDRAC7


What the hell did you do to them?  Last time a HD died on one of our servers, I phoned Dell, they shipped a new HD immediately, I got it the next day, I shipped the old one back.
 
2013-04-25 03:51:41 PM  

MetaCarpal: Seconded. I've had excellent experience with Lenovo, both in terms of hardware quality and customer service. Just catch them during one of their big sales.


I checked out the E30 line. I just can't get it to come in close to the same price once I match the processor and up the ram to 8GB. They look nice though.
 
2013-04-25 04:55:57 PM  

bhcompy: JohnBigBootay: I'm awaiting a quote on 8 dell workstations so I'm getting a kick...

/go ahead, tell me I should have gone elsewhere - my question would be, where? It's an autocad shop - please don't say apple

A local builder?


MTBF

A local builder has an unknown failure rate and reliable supply of spare parts over time depending on the volume needed.
 
2013-04-25 04:57:34 PM  
I have the same Dell tower I purchased new back in 2002, so I'm getting a kick.

Seriously, I do have the same tower, clean, updated and generally taken care of.  I surf the web, check email and play a few simple games.  I bought it when Dell actually seemed to take pride in the product they delivered.  I have considered replacing it but until it actually dies, I will continue to use it daily.  My Dell laptop purchased in 2009 is, low end with Windows 7.  It works fine, without fail.  I have looked into other brands and I am just not impressed.  I will probably build my next tower from scratch just because I don't see any options out there that are worth the money they want.

/Apple is overpriced
//inexpensive is typically cheaply manufactured
///three slashies just because
 
2013-04-25 05:10:10 PM  

JohnBigBootay: bhcompy: A local builder?

I guess maybe worth a look. I used to use a local builder but it's tough to compete against dell on price, especially when they'll finance dirt cheap. I have to say the precision t3600 a lot of us are using are pretty damn nice machines. There's only 25 of us but I haven't had a single problem in a year of running them.


Aye we've got a few dozen of the T7600s and two so far had an issue with the sas controller and they were of course very quick to respond, same with the previous T7500s, T7400s and 690s.  You pay the premium and you get stellar response time and frankly they just work as advertised.  My only complaint is them trying to charge two grand an SSD, sure they are the ones that can handle another 10TB writes before failing over the regular ones but at least gimmie the opportunity to buy the cheaper and 'quicker to die' models that cost a tenth of the price.
 
2013-04-25 05:17:02 PM  

JohnBigBootay: I'm awaiting a quote on 8 dell workstations so I'm getting a kick...

/go ahead, tell me I should have gone elsewhere - my question would be, where? It's an autocad shop - please don't say apple


I have no interest in it and the cost is probably too much for your company but I'm pretty sure Autodesk has had Apple compatible versions of their software for a few years now. Really just throwing it out there for anybody who already has the hardware that wants to run AutoCAD natively in OSX.
 
2013-04-25 05:31:34 PM  

JustMatt: I have no interest in it and the cost is probably too much for your company but I'm pretty sure Autodesk has had Apple compatible versions of their software for a few years now.


They do have autocad for mac now. I'm just not blowing up the world to get it if you know what I'm saying.
 
2013-04-25 05:42:29 PM  

jgi: I buy Dell machines for my clients all the time. The low end models are cheap and expendable, the high end models are good enough. The warranty is great; something breaks, a Dell tech replaces it the next day. Would I ever buy a Dell for myself? No. But the most important thing to my clients is price and warranty. Throw an SSD in the machine and they've got nothing to complain about when it comes to speed. Most of the time it's cheaper to replace a Dell completely than pay me and buy hardware to fix a broken one.

I recommend Apple for home use. They rarely break, they don't get viruses, and they're easy to use. Resale value is good. Obviously won't work if you're a gamer, but for most people who just look at the internet and check their email an Apple works great.


Apple is nice tech, but have you seen the youtube vid "mac in a box"?

I would link, but on shiatty mobile
 
2013-04-25 06:47:46 PM  
We have a bunch of Dells at work. I highly recommend them as its our job to keep them running. But I keep a Mac on my desk.
 
2013-04-25 07:08:27 PM  

JohnBigBootay: I'm awaiting a quote on 8 dell workstations so I'm getting a kick...

/go ahead, tell me I should have gone elsewhere - my question would be, where? It's an autocad shop - please don't say apple




Gateway
 
2013-04-25 08:36:22 PM  

bhcompy: JohnBigBootay: I'm awaiting a quote on 8 dell workstations so I'm getting a kick...

/go ahead, tell me I should have gone elsewhere - my question would be, where? It's an autocad shop - please don't say apple

A local builder?


Doesn't save you any money and you have to deal with snotty nerds who can't get real jobs in IT.
 
2013-04-25 08:37:08 PM  

the_celt: /Apple is overpriced


The 90s called and asked for their lame meme back.
 
2013-04-25 10:23:36 PM  

Shazam999: IamSoSmart_S_M_R_T: Wouldn't touch their consumer boxes but we're in the process of switching from HP to Dell for our corporate needs and it's a world of difference.  I could rant at great length about HP, their inane Indian call centers, crappy website and lackluster tech support (when I say a system won't POST, why do you make me tell you 5 times that I cannot run any diagnostics?), but I'll restrict it to one example.

We had a HDD fail in an HP machine with 24/7 4 hour onsite repair.  It took 4 DAYS and multiple phonecalls to get a replacement.  We had a HDD fail on an older Dell under the same warranty parameters, and I had it in hand in <4 hours.  And no, it's not a one-time fluke with HP, it took 8 hours and multiple calls and emails to receive yet another replacement drive under the same 4 hr "on site" warranty. *sigh*

Anyhow, we just spent >$1M on new Dells, with more to come, so I'm getting a kick...

/Loving iDRAC7

What the hell did you do to them?  Last time a HD died on one of our servers, I phoned Dell, they shipped a new HD immediately, I got it the next day, I shipped the old one back.


Umm, you might want to read my post again.
 
2013-04-25 10:52:15 PM  

gingerjet: the_celt: /Apple is overpriced

The 90s called and asked for their lame meme back.


No. They're overpriced.

They're silver WinTel boxes without a TPM chip.

Oh and volume discounts if your're a business? Essentially none. Need Qty 50? Pay 50 x retail price.

Want a laptop fixed? Go get in line with the plebes at teh Apple store or you have to hire a third party to essentially do it for you.

It's all a game over commoditized technology made in the same sweatshops.
 
2013-04-26 12:47:58 AM  

undflickertail: A Shambling Mound:

And for all the whackadoos still out there - unless you have a specific compatibility need for Win7 or XP or f*cking Windows 98 there is absolutely nothing whatsoever wrong with Win8 in a commercial environment. It's just an O/S.

As long as you have a good training program to get people used to the new Metro interface.  The core is W7 SP2, very solid.  Once you figure out the Metro you can be more efficient then W7.  Just be sure to AD lockdown the Windows Store for apps.


I thought the barrier to linux on the desktop was that you'd have to train up the users on how to use it like Windows.
 
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