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(NFL)   Despite a community actively pushing his induction into the NFL Hall of Fame, Tim Tebow will likely never become a member   (nfl.com ) divider line
    More: Obvious, Tim Tebow, Pro Football Hall of Fame, Vernon Gholston, NFL, Brian Bosworth, spread offense, Dwight Freeney, Ryan Leaf  
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2013-04-25 08:17:12 AM  
/it's hard to be a Raiders fan
 
2013-04-25 09:18:50 AM  
FTFA: "... It's like the experts have been like..."

This guy writes like a teenaged girl like, talks and stuff.
 
2013-04-25 09:51:08 AM  
I wonder if he'll even be on a team this year. My gut says yes, though I can't imagine which one.
 
2013-04-25 09:56:47 AM  
This one:

 - Every NFL enthusiast who chided Charley Casserly for choosingover Bush still owes him an apology.

Is swinging back around as Williams becomes useless and Bush starts putting up better rushing numbers when he actually gets carries. Bush helped get the team he went to to the Super Bowl. Williams helped get the team he went to to the playoffs, then they decided he wasn't worth the money and got rid of him. I mean, Bush didn't end up where people expected him...but it's hardly a case where Williams was clearly the better pick.

/and the Texans made up for not having Bush recently by getting Foster, of course
 
2013-04-25 09:58:51 AM  
Also, Ricky Williams was a hell of a RB.
 
2013-04-25 10:04:36 AM  
IAmRight:

Is swinging back around as Williams becomes useless...

Yup, those eleven sacks he had for one of the worst franchises in football last year were totally useless.

/I could see making the argument that he is injury-prone, but useless?  $100 million argues otherwise
//Not a Bills/NC State fan
 
2013-04-25 10:06:11 AM  

IAmRight: Also, Ricky Williams was a hell of a RB.


He was and I don't even remember him being "over hyped". He was a Heisman winner and predictably got some pub, and Ditka over paid for him, but I really don't recall him being over hyped.

He got the attention any Heisman winner does coming out of college and he was decent to good. He doesn't belong on an over hyped list.
 
2013-04-25 10:19:49 AM  

js34603: He got the attention any Heisman winner does coming out of college and he was decent to good. He doesn't belong on an over hyped list.


And, y'know, he ran for 1800 yards in a season (and was useful as a receiving back).

Byno: Yup, those eleven sacks he had for one of the worst franchises in football last year were totally useless.


Wow, he was less useless than I thought. But let's not act like those sacks were against QBs that aren't awful.

/5.5 vs rookies, 2 vs Kevin Kolb, 1 vs Chad Henne and Sam Bradford
//Tannehill was the only sack he got against anyone in his division
 
2013-04-25 10:25:58 AM  
yeeeah.com

"NFL.com, why have you forsaken me?"
 
2013-04-25 10:36:27 AM  

js34603: IAmRight: Also, Ricky Williams was a hell of a RB.

He was and I don't even remember him being "over hyped". He was a Heisman winner and predictably got some pub, and Ditka over paid for him, but I really don't recall him being over hyped.

He got the attention any Heisman winner does coming out of college and he was decent to good. He doesn't belong on an over hyped list.


Let's just look at his first 5 seasons

Saints
1999: 12 games, 884 yds, 3.5 ypc
2000: 10 games, 1000 yds, 4.0 ypc
2001: 16 games, 1245 yds, 4.0 ypc

Dolphins
2002: 16 games, 1853 yds, 4.8 ypc
2003: 16 games, 1372 yds, 3.5 ypc

Then there was the "retirement" and all that. His next couple of seasons weren't great (splitting time with another RB or not playing at all), but then...

2009: 16 games, 1121 yds, 4.7 ypc

How about his career stats?  147 games, 10,009 yds, 4.1 ypc. More yards than Earl Campbell or Hershel Walker.

That's a pretty damn good career for someone "overhyped."

He sure as hell doesn't belong on a list with Ryan Leaf and JaMarcus Russell.
 
2013-04-25 10:46:23 AM  
"Here are some names you may have heard of. Please click on my link"
 
2013-04-25 10:47:09 AM  
I should leave this story up so the bible thumper I work with with get into a Tebow meltdow. Ranting and raving, foaming at the mouth about how he should have won a superbowl by now. It's pretty funny, I should tape a meltdown and post it on youtube.
 
2013-04-25 11:14:45 AM  
I already have labeled him as a bust, boy the media loves to push him thinking he is so great. If not in the NFL, he will be in the CFL.
 
2013-04-25 11:24:26 AM  
What's the "NFL Hall of Fame"?

/Cantonian
//pedant
 
2013-04-25 11:25:25 AM  
Really, Reggie Bush?  Dude's a 1,000 yard runner when he gets the ball and he was consistently great in the passing game as a RB.  His low numbers are a result of the Saints misusing him and relying on Brees rather than any failure on his part.
 
2013-04-25 11:37:37 AM  

kdawg7736: I already have labeled him as a bust, boy the media loves to push him thinking he is so great. If not in the NFL, he will be in the CFL.


You're aware that 90% of the media coverage of him is talking about how much he sucks and how overrated he is, right? Even on ESPN, all of their talking heads aside from Skip Bayless talk about how awful he is. Everyone said he didn't deserve to be drafted where he was and he was a horrible pick.

Yet somehow this is hype to people. It's really baffling.

Even the positive things were "I don't know how the f*ck it's happening, but it is - I'm enjoying the ride."

Also, if he's not good in the NFL, he will be worse in the CFL and/or AFL, because passing is MORE important, not less important, in those leagues. For some reason, people think that the talent in those leagues is significantly worse than it is in the NFL, to the point that guys who can't hack it in the NFL can all just fill up those leagues each year and flush out all the people that have played in them for years. No.
 
2013-04-25 11:48:36 AM  
What is the 27th all-time NFL rushing yards leader Ricky Williams doing on a list with these schmucks?
 
2013-04-25 12:06:35 PM  

JohnBigBootay: What is the 27th all-time NFL rushing yards leader Ricky Williams doing on a list with these schmucks?


He smoked weed and we knew about it. Apparently that strikes down any successes you may have had as an athlete.
 
2013-04-25 12:19:27 PM  

IAmRight: kdawg7736: I already have labeled him as a bust, boy the media loves to push him thinking he is so great. If not in the NFL, he will be in the CFL.

You're aware that 90% of the media coverage of him is talking about how much he sucks and how overrated he is, right? Even on ESPN, all of their talking heads aside from Skip Bayless talk about how awful he is. Everyone said he didn't deserve to be drafted where he was and he was a horrible pick.

Yet somehow this is hype to people. It's really baffling.

Even the positive things were "I don't know how the f*ck it's happening, but it is - I'm enjoying the ride."

Also, if he's not good in the NFL, he will be worse in the CFL and/or AFL, because passing is MORE important, not less important, in those leagues. For some reason, people think that the talent in those leagues is significantly worse than it is in the NFL, to the point that guys who can't hack it in the NFL can all just fill up those leagues each year and flush out all the people that have played in them for years. No.


I thought the CFL has a limit on the number of non-Canadian players allowed on a team's roster.
 
2013-04-25 12:25:06 PM  

iron_city_ap: I thought the CFL has a limit on the number of non-Canadian players allowed on a team's roster.


This is true - but for the non-Canadian players, that just makes it tougher to get in.

The thing that sucks is the time/place thing. Brandon Browner didn't do anything for the Broncos, got cut, played in the CFL, and might have been completely ignored forever. Seattle gives him a shot, he makes a Pro Bowl in his first year.

There is talent in the CFL, but people aren't willing to take chances and often NFL people consider the CFL or AFL as places where the talent simply isn't there, rather than being full of players that could play in the NFL for a team that knows how to use players' skills and can see how the skills translate from the CFL and AFL games to the NFL (since each sport is different).
 
2013-04-25 12:28:03 PM  

GlobalStrategic MapleSyrup Reserve: JohnBigBootay: What is the 27th all-time NFL rushing yards leader Ricky Williams doing on a list with these schmucks?

He smoked weed and we knew about it. Apparently that strikes down any successes you may have had as an athlete.



TFA: wellness violations

What a sick farking country this is.
 
2013-04-25 12:51:30 PM  

macadamnut: GlobalStrategic MapleSyrup Reserve: JohnBigBootay: What is the 27th all-time NFL rushing yards leader Ricky Williams doing on a list with these schmucks?

He smoked weed and we knew about it. Apparently that strikes down any successes you may have had as an athlete.


TFA: wellness violations

What a sick farking country this is.


In keeping with today's Joe Theismann theme I'm sure you'll be pleased to know he went on record calling Ricky an addict.

This would make Theismann the 3D glasses wearing kid who hung around with Biff in high school.
 
2013-04-25 01:33:23 PM  
If Reggie Bush weren't on the same team as Drew Brees, his numbers would be a hell of a lot better.  The Saints didn't use him that much because the offense was all designed to go down field.  Put Bush in a system that relies more on screens and flat passes and he would have shined much brighter.
 
2013-04-25 01:44:09 PM  

GlobalStrategic MapleSyrup Reserve: In keeping with today's Joe Theismann theme I'm sure you'll be pleased to know he went on record calling Ricky an addict.



Well, I just tried really hard to hate Theismann more than I already do, but there's nothing left in the tank.
 
2013-04-25 02:12:43 PM  
Ricky Williams was not over-hyped.  When he played, he played pretty well (for terrible teams).  His personality disorders self-destructed what would have been a pretty damn good career.  That's a separate category.
 
2013-04-25 02:53:53 PM  

downstairs: Ricky Williams was not over-hyped.  When he played, he played pretty well (for terrible teams).  His personality disorders self-destructed what would have been a pretty damn good career.  That's a separate category.


He had a career that 99% of all the people who ever laced them up would kill for. Without the ridiculous weed problems I dare say he'd have been a top ten all-time rusher. Eleven years, broke 1,000 yards five times and scored 66 TD's. That's a hell of a career when the average is around 2 years.
 
2013-04-25 03:05:03 PM  
i.perezhilton.com

O hai guyz, wat's going on in this thread?
/remember when the Raiders picked me ahead of Favre?
 
2013-04-25 03:09:03 PM  
Brian Bosworth - What he didn't deliver in the NFL, he made up for with his enjoyable films.

Including this treasure of cinema:

toughguywisdom.com
 
2013-04-25 03:47:50 PM  

puckrock2000: [i.perezhilton.com image 450x482]

O hai guyz, wat's going on in this thread?
/remember when the Raiders picked me ahead of Favre?


WTF? Is that Richie Cunningham?
 
2013-04-25 03:51:19 PM  
Given how so many people were saying Tebow would suck, I wouldn't consider him overhyped. Maybe overhyped by some, but on average there are many players more hyped than him that failed harder. Half the sports world wasn't warning San Diego about Ryan Leaf or the Seahawks about Brian Bosworth.
 
2013-04-26 10:28:33 AM  

JohnBigBootay: puckrock2000: [i.perezhilton.com image 450x482]

O hai guyz, wat's going on in this thread?
/remember when the Raiders picked me ahead of Favre?

WTF? Is that Richie Cunningham?


I believe that is Todd Marinovich, or as I like to say, Todd Marijuana-vich.
 
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