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(ESPN)   The Jets have concluded six may be the magical number when it comes to quarterbacks; first round pick would get them there. Matt Millen struggles to contain his excitement   (espn.go.com) divider line 25
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2013-04-25 08:38:59 AM
Idzik said the Jets' first-round draft decisions will not be dictated by need, but by "the talent available when we pick."

John Idzik said Wednesday that his team would "not be averse" to picking any player, including a quarterback, in the first round.

"I think we're in a position at No. 9 and No. 13 in the first round to get two really good players



A QB at #9 or #13 in this draft would *not* be the best talent available at those picks.
 
2013-04-25 09:06:59 AM

SlothB77: Idzik said the Jets' first-round draft decisions will not be dictated by need, but by "the talent available when we pick."

John Idzik said Wednesday that his team would "not be averse" to picking any player, including a quarterback, in the first round.

"I think we're in a position at No. 9 and No. 13 in the first round to get two really good players


A QB at #9 or #13 in this draft would *not* be the best talent available at those picks.


As a Seattle fan, I'd say hold off on jumping ship until after the draft...Idzik was a big cog in the Schneider/Carroll wheel when it came to talent evaluation and salary cap management.
 
2013-04-25 09:10:24 AM
Where would he be placed in reference to Tebow?
 
2013-04-25 09:11:52 AM
So basically Idzik says "we're going to try to take the best player possible with our picks" and this gets spun into a news story because hey, it's the Jets.

BTW, all teams think they're taking the best player possible.
 
2013-04-25 09:18:45 AM

IAmRight: So basically Idzik says "we're going to try to take the best player possible with our picks" and this gets spun into a news story because hey, it's the Jets.

BTW, all teams think they're taking the best player possible.


Theoretically they could draft either to fill their high-priority positions or the most talented player regardless of position, but right now every position is a high-priority position for the Jets (except center), so the question is moot.
 
2013-04-25 09:24:48 AM
Just for the lulz, I discovered that the Jets have drafted exactly two HOFers in the 1st round of the draft: Joe Namath and John Riggins.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_New_York_Jets_first-round_draft _p icks
 
2013-04-25 09:30:12 AM
I think all this Nassib talk is just smoke and mirrors by competitors to make sure that the Bills burn their #1 pick to draft him.
 
2013-04-25 09:32:01 AM
The quarterback the Jets have shown the most interest in during their draft preparations is Ryan Nassib of Syracuse.

I thought the only reason Nassib is getting attention is because the Bills' new coach worked with him and believes he's NFL-caliber talent.  Why do I get the feeling he's going to turn out to be another Kyle Boller?
 
2013-04-25 09:32:35 AM

IAmRight: So basically Idzik says "we're going to try to take the best player possible with our picks" and this gets spun into a news story because hey, it's the Jets.

BTW, all teams think they're taking the best player possible.


Well, except the Jags
 
2013-04-25 09:37:26 AM

Mateorocks: Just for the lulz, I discovered that the Jets have drafted exactly two HOFers in the 1st round of the draft: Joe Namath and John Riggins.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_New_York_Jets_first-round_draft _p icks


I like to credit the long tradition of Jets fans showing up at the draft in person for the abysmal miserable record of utter abject failure that is the Jets first round picks. J-E-T-S guidos since the 1980s have been a fixture at draft day, booing and cheering picks. Nice work fellas.
 
2013-04-25 09:42:43 AM

Lost Thought 00: Well, except the Jags


Even they THINK they're getting the best player possible.

Generation_D: I like to credit the long tradition of Jets fans showing up at the draft in person for the abysmal miserable record of utter abject failure that is the Jets first round picks. J-E-T-S guidos since the 1980s have been a fixture at draft day, booing and cheering picks. Nice work fellas.


In fairness, often the guidos would have been better at picking in the first round.

BTW, Nassib had mediocre stats...but so did Matt Ryan coming out of college. But the Bills can probably get Nassib in the second or third rounds if they wait.
 
2013-04-25 09:49:52 AM

Mateorocks: Just for the lulz, I discovered that the Jets have drafted exactly two HOFers in the 1st round of the draft: Joe Namath and John Riggins.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_New_York_Jets_first-round_draft _p icks


The Jets were hilariously bad for a couple decades, but 2000-2007 was a pretty damn impressive stretch.  Ellis, Abraham, Pennington, Santana Moss, Vilma, D'Brickashaw, Mangold, Revis: 8/11 picks in that time were good/great players.  Revis and Abraham will be in the HOF; Mangold too if he keeps his play near his current level.
 
2013-04-25 10:01:37 AM
The Jets should just tank this season, that Sanchez anchor is too much.  Use the picks for the O-Line then next year look for a QB.  Letting Revis leave was the first sign that they are writing off their chances.
 
2013-04-25 11:58:06 AM

Mateorocks: Just for the lulz, I discovered that the Jets have drafted exactly two HOFers in the 1st round of the draft: Joe Namath and John Riggins.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_New_York_Jets_first-round_draft _p icks


That's true for lots of teams, not really a sign of anything.
The Packers have only drafted one HOFer since 1965 (2 if you assume Rodgers makes HOF), Giants have 2 as well
 
2013-04-25 12:07:04 PM

IAmRight: Lost Thought 00: Well, except the Jags

Even they THINK they're getting the best player possible.

Generation_D: I like to credit the long tradition of Jets fans showing up at the draft in person for the abysmal miserable record of utter abject failure that is the Jets first round picks. J-E-T-S guidos since the 1980s have been a fixture at draft day, booing and cheering picks. Nice work fellas.

In fairness, often the guidos would have been better at picking in the first round.

BTW, Nassib had mediocre stats...but so did Matt Ryan coming out of college. But the Bills can probably get Nassib in the second or third rounds if they wait.


The Jets have had some big misses since 2000 (Gholston, Sanchez), but their 1st round drafting since 2000 really hasn't been bad at all. There are so many teams that have far worse drafting in the first round over the last 15 years or so. (Miami, for example)
 
2013-04-25 12:13:27 PM

JohnHall: The Jets have had some big misses since 2000 (Gholston, Sanchez), but their 1st round drafting since 2000 really hasn't been bad at all.


Oh no, I'm talking about the stuff from the 80s and 90s
 
2013-04-25 12:53:02 PM
This draft is very weak as far as blue-chip franchise players, but is very deep in solid talent. Jets need to trade down and stock up on as many OL and pass rushing LBs as they can. Spend the last wasted Sanchez year weeding through the picks to hopefully find some talent. So they'll suck and be in good position in a much better QB draft next year.
 
2013-04-25 02:07:02 PM
WE WANT SAPP! WE WANT SAPP! WE WANT SAPP

/The Jets select, Tight End, ....
 
2013-04-25 02:58:01 PM

Mateorocks: Just for the lulz, I discovered that the Jets have drafted exactly two HOFers in the 1st round of the draft: Joe Namath and John Riggins.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_New_York_Jets_first-round_draft _p icks


Revis would be the third.

And I could be wrong on this, but I believe the only first round draft pick of the Giants that's in the HOF is LT.
 
2013-04-25 02:59:51 PM
I keep thinking the Jets will take Austin at 9 and Geno Smith at 13.

The West Virginia fan inside of me would melt down.  The Jets fan inside of me would scream in horror.
 
2013-04-25 03:00:54 PM

Faddy: The Jets should just tank this season, that Sanchez anchor is too much.  Use the picks for the O-Line then next year look for a QB.  Letting Revis leave was the first sign that they are writing off their chances.


Getting rid of Revis allows them to cut ties easier with Sanchez by eating his contract.  Tonight will be very telling.
 
2013-04-25 03:25:06 PM
I don't understand why Nassib's stock has suddenly shot up after being considered a 2nd-rounder for so long. Frankly none of the QBs in this draft should go top 15, though certainly one or two will due to team needs.

And I can't be the only one who suspectsManuel will end up being the best QB from this draft.
 
2013-04-25 05:26:19 PM

Supes: I don't understand why Nassib's stock has suddenly shot up after being considered a 2nd-rounder for so long. Frankly none of the QBs in this draft should go top 15, though certainly one or two will due to team needs.


You answered your own question.  Drafting "the best player available" is great except when you don't get much of an upgrade over your current player at that position or you have a hole so big at another position JaMarcus Russell could fit through it.  That's when teams reach too far to fill need and suck at the draft.
 
2013-04-25 06:10:32 PM

Droog8912: You answered your own question.  Drafting "the best player available" is great except when you don't get much of an upgrade over your current player at that position or you have a hole so big at another position JaMarcus Russell could fit through it.  That's when teams reach too far to fill need and suck at the draft.


Too many GMs are willing to reach for a need (or a player they've fallen in love with) rather than trade down for value and pick a player where they should be picked. They leave so much value on the table. No idea what the Jets will do, but they would be well served trading one of their picks to (for example) Minnesota for picks 23 and 25. Get an extra player, and then it's easier to rationalize taking one of the QBs where they should go.

And on the flip side, GMs need to on occasion take a chance on very talented players that inexplicably fall to them but don't fill a need (especially late in the first round, where there are huge steals available). If a player is good enough they'll find a role, or at the very least they'll be great trade bait. Still can't believe 24 teams passed on Aaron Rodgers in 2005.
 
2013-04-25 06:39:28 PM

Mateorocks: Just for the lulz, I discovered that the Jets have drafted exactly two HOFers in the 1st round of the draft: Joe Namath and John Riggins.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_New_York_Jets_first-round_draft _p icks


And Namath really shouldn't be in. His career numbers are pretty damned lousy. If he kept his mouth shut before Super Bowl III he wouldn't be in.
 
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