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2013-04-25 04:48:37 AM
Yeah,

I feel bad for authoritarians that are running out of justifications for pressing their boots down on their fellow citizens throats.

Next thing you know we won't even have a good excuse to lock up teenagers not hurting anyone! What is this country coming to?
 
2013-04-25 04:55:20 AM
good, now they can spend time with real criminals.
 
2013-04-25 05:22:21 AM
Good. Now make a law so a DA loses PERMANENTLY 1% of their pension if they TRY to convict someone of a non-violent narcotics offense ending in jail time, including settlements. How bad do you wanna see this guy in jail?
 
2013-04-25 08:19:15 AM
It is patently absurd to lock people up for being in possession of a plant that grows in the wild.
 
2013-04-25 08:24:15 AM
Wont someone think of the lawyers!

/and those poor private prison owners.
 
2013-04-25 08:25:11 AM
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2013-04-25 09:23:53 AM
Which is actually kind of the point. It will end some of the ridiculousness of seizures, it will end the waste of taxpayer dollars, it will reduce the strain on our courts, and our prisons. It will not only be a savings to state and Federal budgets, but also put resources back to chasing down real criminals, and cut down a bit on the corruption that goes with the trade, and it will result in new tax revenue coming in, new industries that will result, which will mean more entrepreneurs, which means job growth.

It will mean that defense attorneys will have their case loads reduced, which means that they can focus better on defending their clients, and it will mean that prosecuting attorneys will have more time constructing cases for real criminals. It will mean that cotton and paper industries will have to face new challenges in their markets, as well as plastics and other industries will be faced with stiffer competition, as well as feed producers, and other industries, and it will mean pharma companies will have to try and figure another way to patent canniboids, and processes to refine them. It will mean states will have to license producers, but chasing folks down for violating these licenses will be a matter of regulatory bodies, and a tax issue.

I feel for lawyers, because this has made pot an industry, only for law enforcement, courts and prisons, but we need to save this money, and put it to better uses of our time and resources. They'll get over it.
 
2013-04-25 09:48:21 AM
Yeah, that's tough.  Because God knows there isn't enough work busting heroin, ecstasy, cocaine, crack, meth......
 
2013-04-25 09:49:36 AM
Cry me a river, then drown yourself in it.
 
2013-04-25 09:50:44 AM
i198.photobucket.com
 
2013-04-25 09:51:44 AM
Oh no! They're going to be forced to spend their time prosecuting important cases involving a higher evidentiary burden than "this guy had pot on him, therefore he's automatically guilty"
 
2013-04-25 09:51:57 AM
fark the DAs, I say we make them prosecute REAL crimes, like theft, murder and rape.
 
2013-04-25 09:53:19 AM

Sxooter: fark the DAs, I say we make them prosecute REAL crimes, like theft, murder and rape.


And rape.
 
2013-04-25 09:53:25 AM

hubiestubert: Which is actually kind of the point. It will end some of the ridiculousness of seizures, it will end the waste of taxpayer dollars, it will reduce the strain on our courts, and our prisons. It will not only be a savings to state and Federal budgets, but also put resources back to chasing down real criminals, and cut down a bit on the corruption that goes with the trade, and it will result in new tax revenue coming in, new industries that will result, which will mean more entrepreneurs, which means job growth.

It will mean that defense attorneys will have their case loads reduced, which means that they can focus better on defending their clients, and it will mean that prosecuting attorneys will have more time constructing cases for real criminals. It will mean that cotton and paper industries will have to face new challenges in their markets, as well as plastics and other industries will be faced with stiffer competition, as well as feed producers, and other industries, and it will mean pharma companies will have to try and figure another way to patent canniboids, and processes to refine them. It will mean states will have to license producers, but chasing folks down for violating these licenses will be a matter of regulatory bodies, and a tax issue.

I feel for lawyers, because this has made pot an industry, only for law enforcement, courts and prisons, but we need to save this money, and put it to better uses of our time and resources. They'll get over it.


It will negatively impact the corporations that build and fun for-profit prisons, it will reduce employment among prison guards, county sheriffs will lose money by nay renting cell space to state prisons.

WHY DO YOU HATE AMERICA?!
 
2013-04-25 09:53:43 AM
This isn't about jack booted thugs busting down doors for the war on drugs.

This is about jack booted thugs busting down doors for tax dollars that should be collected at the pot store.
 
2013-04-25 09:54:09 AM

Skarekrough: Yeah, that's tough.  Because God knows there isn't enough work busting heroin, ecstasy, cocaine, crack, meth......


Screw that, man. THOSE drug offenders are dangerous.
 
2013-04-25 09:54:31 AM

give me doughnuts: hubiestubert: Which is actually kind of the point. It will end some of the ridiculousness of seizures, it will end the waste of taxpayer dollars, it will reduce the strain on our courts, and our prisons. It will not only be a savings to state and Federal budgets, but also put resources back to chasing down real criminals, and cut down a bit on the corruption that goes with the trade, and it will result in new tax revenue coming in, new industries that will result, which will mean more entrepreneurs, which means job growth.

It will mean that defense attorneys will have their case loads reduced, which means that they can focus better on defending their clients, and it will mean that prosecuting attorneys will have more time constructing cases for real criminals. It will mean that cotton and paper industries will have to face new challenges in their markets, as well as plastics and other industries will be faced with stiffer competition, as well as feed producers, and other industries, and it will mean pharma companies will have to try and figure another way to patent canniboids, and processes to refine them. It will mean states will have to license producers, but chasing folks down for violating these licenses will be a matter of regulatory bodies, and a tax issue.

I feel for lawyers, because this has made pot an industry, only for law enforcement, courts and prisons, but we need to save this money, and put it to better uses of our time and resources. They'll get over it.

It will negatively impact the corporations that build and fun for-profit prisons, it will reduce employment among prison guards, county sheriffs will lose money by nay renting cell space to state prisons.

WHY DO YOU HATE AMERICA?!



The sad thing is that today's politicians would be receptive to this kind of argument.  That's how absurd our political patronage system has become.
 
2013-04-25 09:54:48 AM
I guess some police departments will have to find another way to justify their inflated budgets and ridiculous equipment.

People are reactionary... and because of that, I would bet money that the arms build-up by civilians is in direct response to the ridiculous military-wannabe tactics of a lot of modern police departments.

What the hell ever happened to being a Peace Officer?
 
Bf+
2013-04-25 09:55:09 AM
"Obvious" tag on vacation?
 
2013-04-25 09:55:48 AM
The problem stems from a part of the law meant to distinguish marijuana from industrial hemp, which is grown for its fiber. The law defines marijuana as having more than 0.3 percent of a certain intoxicating compound, called delta-9 THC.  Scientists with the state crime lab say that often, even potent marijuana can have less than 0.3 percent. It's only when heated or burned that another compound, THC acid, turns into delta-9 THC and the pot achieves its full potency.

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The proposed fix for the marijuana definition is not considered controversial. It has the support of Alison Holcomb, who drafted the initiative.
"Obviously it was never the intent to make it impossible to be able to prosecute cases that fall outside what I-502 intended," Holcomb said Wednesday.



Okay, after RTFA, it's not as silly as the headline makes it sound.  I still think the one-ounce limit is an aggravating speed bump to full legalization, but even if a correction is made it's going to result in a severe curtailing of unnecessary prosecutions.
 
2013-04-25 09:55:59 AM
Glad I checked the article to make sure the headline was bullsh*t.

Prosecutors are people.  People don't usually want more work (especially government employees).

God, you f*ckers are whiny!
 
2013-04-25 09:56:04 AM

tuxq: I guess some police departments will have to find another way to justify their inflated budgets and ridiculous equipment.

People are reactionary... and because of that, I would bet money that the arms build-up by civilians is in direct response to the ridiculous military-wannabe tactics of a lot of modern police departments.

What the hell ever happened to being a Peace Officer?


Yeah... that and paranoid NRA propaganda/brainwashing.
 
2013-04-25 09:58:09 AM
Not every pot grower is a Grateful Dead hippie, you filthy mammalsssssss. Many of them are members of violent gangs who defend their illicit trade as it hassssss made them rich. They still need to be prosecuted even if we (rightly) stop prossssssecuting recreational usssssssers.
 
2013-04-25 09:59:13 AM

wildcardjack: This isn't about jack booted thugs busting down doors for the war on drugs.

This is about jack booted thugs busting down doors for tax dollars that should be collected at the pot store.


Yep.  That whole "legalize and tax" means you have to be able to enforce the taxing.  If I bring 100 liters of liquor into North Carolina without a permit, I get in trouble with the ABC board.
 
2013-04-25 09:59:18 AM

Chummer45: give me doughnuts: hubiestubert: Which is actually kind of the point. It will end some of the ridiculousness of seizures, it will end the waste of taxpayer dollars, it will reduce the strain on our courts, and our prisons. It will not only be a savings to state and Federal budgets, but also put resources back to chasing down real criminals, and cut down a bit on the corruption that goes with the trade, and it will result in new tax revenue coming in, new industries that will result, which will mean more entrepreneurs, which means job growth.

It will mean that defense attorneys will have their case loads reduced, which means that they can focus better on defending their clients, and it will mean that prosecuting attorneys will have more time constructing cases for real criminals. It will mean that cotton and paper industries will have to face new challenges in their markets, as well as plastics and other industries will be faced with stiffer competition, as well as feed producers, and other industries, and it will mean pharma companies will have to try and figure another way to patent canniboids, and processes to refine them. It will mean states will have to license producers, but chasing folks down for violating these licenses will be a matter of regulatory bodies, and a tax issue.

I feel for lawyers, because this has made pot an industry, only for law enforcement, courts and prisons, but we need to save this money, and put it to better uses of our time and resources. They'll get over it.

It will negatively impact the corporations that build and fun for-profit prisons, it will reduce employment among prison guards, county sheriffs will lose money by nay renting cell space to state prisons.

WHY DO YOU HATE AMERICA?!


The sad thing is that today's politicians would be receptive to this kind of argument.  That's how absurd our political patronage system has become.



The prison guard union in California hired lobbyists to try to block medical marijuana, and to prevent the legalization of recreational marijuana. They also lobbied in Colorado and Washington, just not as effectively.

With an issue like this, it's interesting to see what groups pay money to fight against it, and which groups don't.
 
2013-04-25 09:59:30 AM

tuxq: What the hell ever happened to being a Peace Officer?


That went out the door the same time as their slogan "To Protect and To Serve"
 
2013-04-25 10:00:13 AM

MurphyMurphy: Yeah,

I feel bad for authoritarians that are running out of justifications for pressing their boots down on their fellow citizens throats.

Next thing you know we won't even have a good excuse to lock up teenagers not hurting anyone! What is this country coming to?


If the legalization trend continues, they'll have to switch to gun control or fighting abortion/gay marriage to get their control freak jollies.
 
2013-04-25 10:01:41 AM
There's a lot of people in here who didn't RTFA. The new law accidentally redefined a lot of pot as hemp, and now they're just trying to change that back. Not a huge deal.
 
2013-04-25 10:03:21 AM

Chummer45: tuxq: I guess some police departments will have to find another way to justify their inflated budgets and ridiculous equipment.

People are reactionary... and because of that, I would bet money that the arms build-up by civilians is in direct response to the ridiculous military-wannabe tactics of a lot of modern police departments.

What the hell ever happened to being a Peace Officer?

Yeah... that and paranoid NRA propaganda/brainwashing.


The vast majority of our population needs hyperbole to get anything through their neanderthal skulls. So while the more-intelligent crowd saw how ridiculous the NRA mess was, it was bleak in the eyes of the majority. You have to hand it to the NRA, they achieved what they set out to accomplish.

But this isn't really about guns, this is about the police and the overstepping of their purpose in society.
 
2013-04-25 10:04:58 AM
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2013-04-25 10:08:29 AM

hubiestubert: Which is actually kind of the point. It will end some of the ridiculousness of seizures, it will end the waste of taxpayer dollars, it will reduce the strain on our courts, and our prisons. It will not only be a savings to state and Federal budgets, but also put resources back to chasing down real criminals, and cut down a bit on the corruption that goes with the trade, and it will result in new tax revenue coming in, new industries that will result, which will mean more entrepreneurs, which means job growth.

It will mean that defense attorneys will have their case loads reduced, which means that they can focus better on defending their clients, and it will mean that prosecuting attorneys will have more time constructing cases for real criminals. It will mean that cotton and paper industries will have to face new challenges in their markets, as well as plastics and other industries will be faced with stiffer competition, as well as feed producers, and other industries, and it will mean pharma companies will have to try and figure another way to patent canniboids, and processes to refine them. It will mean states will have to license producers, but chasing folks down for violating these licenses will be a matter of regulatory bodies, and a tax issue.

I feel for lawyers, because this has made pot an industry, only for law enforcement, courts and prisons, but we need to save this money, and put it to better uses of our time and resources. They'll get over it.


Defense Lawyers love these bullshiat charges. They get the easiest 1000 bucks to show up and do paperwork for kids freaking out they got busted for possession. It is easy money you are taking away from the lawyers. Reducing their case loads yes, but also reducing their income.
 
2013-04-25 10:11:37 AM

wildcardjack: This isn't about jack booted thugs busting down doors for the war on drugs.

This is about jack booted thugs busting down doors for tax dollars that should be collected at the pot store.


And we're done.
 
2013-04-25 10:12:10 AM
Wasn't that the point?
You legalize pot so you stop wasting everyone's time, money and ruining lives over pot.
It sure sounds like that was the point.
 
2013-04-25 10:12:11 AM
Yeah, the whole gravy train of easy convictions and pleas are coming to an end, and hopefully the entire corrupt ecosystem of bottom feeders who profit from it - lawyers, police, property seizures, drug counseling, pot rehab, and so on. I did jury duty a couple of weeks ago and I made up my mind that if some kid goes before a jury I'm on for something as harmless as pot, something completely legal in two other states, that I was going to fight for that kid. No conviction, only acquittal or mistrial. I checked the docket online for that week and it was loaded with marijuana cases, almost always trumped up with an array of bullsh*t charges. None of those made it to trial. All of them plead out. The smug a** judge and DA congratulated us on a job well done for closing out like 20 cases before releasing us. None of us sat on a single trial.

//BTW thanks user You Idiots for the totalfark!
 
2013-04-25 10:12:34 AM
"Although the lab could analyze the delta-9 THC content by burning it, that would essentially tamper with the evidence seized in any case."

Retarded.  If you don't have enough sample to burn some, you don't have enough sample to prosecute.  I was under the impression that lighting shiat on fire and seeing what was emitted was pretty much the foundation of modern chemical analysis.. and astronomy.
 
2013-04-25 10:13:44 AM

UNC_Samurai: wildcardjack: This isn't about jack booted thugs busting down doors for the war on drugs.

This is about jack booted thugs busting down doors for tax dollars that should be collected at the pot store.

Yep.  That whole "legalize and tax" means you have to be able to enforce the taxing.  If I bring 100 liters of liquor into North Carolina without a permit, I get in trouble with the ABC board.


Cause you know, if a vineyard in Pennsylvania or California ships a crate of wine directly to a citizen of North Carolina, the terrorists really have won.

//Free the grapes
 
2013-04-25 10:13:58 AM
Why would you have to prosecute something that's legal?
 
2013-04-25 10:14:42 AM
Wont someone think of the lawyers!!
 
2013-04-25 10:14:59 AM

Avonmore: There's a lot of people in here who didn't RTFA. The new law accidentally redefined a lot of pot as hemp, and now they're just trying to change that back. Not a huge deal.


Yup. They made hemp completely legal - a seven year old can walk around with a pound of it. But due to not knowing their chemistry, accidently made a lot of smoking marijuana completely legal too. I don't much fancy seven year olds being able to buy a pound of marijuana, I would like it treated like alcohol, and I support industrial hemp being legal, so I don't mind them making this minor technical fix.
 
2013-04-25 10:21:19 AM

Avonmore: There's a lot of people in here who didn't RTFA. The new law accidentally redefined a lot of pot as hemp, and now they're just trying to change that back. Not a huge deal.


You know what would be even less less huge of a deal? Not changing it. Fact is the biggest problem with the deal is the unscientific DUI levels. They should fix that first. It's a bigger deal.
 
2013-04-25 10:21:42 AM
Avonmore: "The new law accidentally redefined a lot of pot as hemp, and now they're just trying to change that back."

And if *you* read the entire article, you'd have seen that the big 'scare' over pot testing as hemp under the new definition is overblown.
It *can* happen, but if you were busting a grow op or a deal, while you might have some test as hemp, it's not like you're having your entire haul reduced to zero offending plants.

So the whole "it's a reasonable response to an honest mistake" angle doesn't pass the sniff test.
This is just a bunch of turf warriors whose incentive structure is built upon bust-size who are trying to maximize the definition for their private purpose, not for the public interest.
 
2013-04-25 10:23:25 AM

scottydoesntknow: tuxq: What the hell ever happened to being a Peace Officer?

That went out the door the same time as their slogan "To Protect and To Serve"


My uncle, a retired Vallejo CA cop, was old school.  He told me that when he came upon pot smokers, he'd  turn his head the other way and keep going unless they were being blatantly obnoxious, which was very infrequent unless there was liquor involved too.  He had a pretty good perspective on what his priorities should be as a police officer  - he was one of the first on the scene of one of the Zodiac murders.

He now has a medical marijuana license as it provides great comfort for him as he battles leukemia.
 
2013-04-25 10:26:32 AM
Oh go get Screwgled or Scroogled or something Bingawful worse than that even. You're trying to protect us from the dangers of marijuana? Like arresting us is going to be better for us? Like $60, 000 a year per marijuana prisoner is better for society?
 
2013-04-25 10:27:26 AM
I love pot.

DNRTFA.
 
2013-04-25 10:32:01 AM

freetomato: scottydoesntknow: tuxq: What the hell ever happened to being a Peace Officer?

That went out the door the same time as their slogan "To Protect and To Serve"

My uncle, a retired Vallejo CA cop, was old school.  He told me that when he came upon pot smokers, he'd  turn his head the other way and keep going unless they were being blatantly obnoxious, which was very infrequent unless there was liquor involved too.  He had a pretty good perspective on what his priorities should be as a police officer  - he was one of the first on the scene of one of the Zodiac murders.

He now has a medical marijuana license as it provides great comfort for him as he battles leukemia.


Your uncle sounds like one of the good ones. Sucks about the leukemia, though. I hope he gets some relief
from the nausea and pain via the MM.

Wish it were legal here in Fla. Sadly, I suspect Fla will be one of the last dominos to fall.
 
2013-04-25 10:32:14 AM

UNC_Samurai: The problem stems from a part of the law meant to distinguish marijuana from industrial hemp, which is grown for its fiber. The law defines marijuana as having more than 0.3 percent of a certain intoxicating compound, called delta-9 THC.  Scientists with the state crime lab say that often, even potent marijuana can have less than 0.3 percent. It's only when heated or burned that another compound, THC acid, turns into delta-9 THC and the pot achieves its full potency.

---

The proposed fix for the marijuana definition is not considered controversial. It has the support of Alison Holcomb, who drafted the initiative.
"Obviously it was never the intent to make it impossible to be able to prosecute cases that fall outside what I-502 intended," Holcomb said Wednesday.


Okay, after RTFA, it's not as silly as the headline makes it sound.  I still think the one-ounce limit is an aggravating speed bump to full legalization, but even if a correction is made it's going to result in a severe curtailing of unnecessary prosecutions.


A, uh, friend told me that an ounce of weed is actually quite a bit for personal use.
 
2013-04-25 10:36:09 AM
MFAWG:

A, uh, friend told me that an ounce of weed is actually quite a bit for personal use.

Your, uh, friend is a giant pussy.  It should take someone no more than ten days to consume an ounce.
 
2013-04-25 10:38:02 AM
I'm confused............


Are they unable to burn the stuff before they test it's potency?

/a sample of the plants more potent regions should be sufficient to classify the entire plant
// also, who carries hemp in a baggie or along with smoking paraphenalia?
///non-issue
 
2013-04-25 10:39:28 AM

hubiestubert: Which is actually kind of the point. It will end some of the ridiculousness of seizures, it will end the waste of taxpayer dollars, it will reduce the strain on our courts, and our prisons. It will not only be a savings to state and Federal budgets, but also put resources back to chasing down real criminals, and cut down a bit on the corruption that goes with the trade, and it will result in new tax revenue coming in, new industries that will result, which will mean more entrepreneurs, which means job growth.

It will mean that defense attorneys will have their case loads reduced, which means that they can focus better on defending their clients, and it will mean that prosecuting attorneys will have more time constructing cases for real criminals. It will mean that cotton and paper industries will have to face new challenges in their markets, as well as plastics and other industries will be faced with stiffer competition, as well as feed producers, and other industries, and it will mean pharma companies will have to try and figure another way to patent canniboids, and processes to refine them. It will mean states will have to license producers, but chasing folks down for violating these licenses will be a matter of regulatory bodies, and a tax issue.

I feel for lawyers, because this has made pot an industry, only for law enforcement, courts and prisons, but we need to save this money, and put it to better uses of our time and resources. They'll get over it.


tl;dr
 
2013-04-25 10:44:13 AM

Schroedinger's Glory Hole: MFAWG:

A, uh, friend told me that an ounce of weed is actually quite a bit for personal use.

Your, uh, friend is a giant pussy.  It should take someone no more than ten days to consume an ounce.


Um, I know someone who got an eigth 6 months ago and is just finishing it.
 
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