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(Washington Post)   Turns out Boston bomber Dzhokhar Tsarnaev was unarmed in the boat when he surrendered, so the cops were shooting at themselves   (washingtonpost.com) divider line 228
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2013-04-25 08:09:41 AM  
Given his (or at least his brother's) history, it was right and proper to assume him to be armed.
 
2013-04-25 08:34:38 AM  
except he didn't so much surrender as pass out.
 
2013-04-25 08:37:07 AM  

nekom: Given his (or at least his brother's) history, it was right and proper to assume him to be armed.


Absolutely, but there was no reason to shoot unless he shoots first.

I'm going to chalk this up to someone having an AD* because they had their booger-hook on the bang-switch when they shouldn't have, or simply they got nervous and *THOUGHT* he had a gun because he twitched or something, and when that one gun shot happens, every cop in the area hears it and assumes there is a firefight and joins in.

It's a phenomenon that's probably more obscure than it should be.

*AD - Accidental Discharge.
 
2013-04-25 08:43:45 AM  

dittybopper: *AD - Accidental Discharge.


Shut up!
It happens to lots of guys!
 
2013-04-25 08:58:22 AM  

nekom: Given his (or at least his brother's) history, it was right and proper to assume him to be armed.


Yea looking at what had happened in the last 24 hours leading up to that, I can understand being on edge like that and expecting the worst.
 
2013-04-25 08:59:01 AM  
Well, at least they didn't all shoot each other.
 
2013-04-25 08:59:13 AM  

nekom: Given his (or at least his brother's) history, it was right and proper to assume him to be armed.


for fark's sake
 
2013-04-25 08:59:45 AM  
Don't blow shiat up and you won't be shot at.
 
2013-04-25 09:01:39 AM  
Absolutely, but there was no reason to shoot unless he shoots first.

Bullsh*t.
 
2013-04-25 09:01:40 AM  
Still handled it better than the LAPD. No newspaper delivery people were shot, and that's kind of nice.
 
2013-04-25 09:01:42 AM  
Give it a week and it will be revealed that none of the rest of the story is true either. They can't drop it all at once - The people can't handle that.
 
2013-04-25 09:01:54 AM  
Liars.  The pictures I've seen clearly show that he had both his arms when he was arrested.  Not sure if they're doing a "Scream and Scream Again" thing at the hospital, though.
 
2013-04-25 09:02:35 AM  
No gun? Then we're lucky there weren't more police fatalities and injuries.
 
2013-04-25 09:02:47 AM  

DubyaHater: Don't blow shiat up and you won't be shot at.


I think the main point here is that the cops unnecessarily fired a zillion rounds of live ammunition in a densely populated area. Screw the bomber, but think about the other people in the city before going all bangity-bang.
 
2013-04-25 09:02:48 AM  
At least they targeted the suspect and not 2 Hispanic women driving the wrong color vehicle, which is more than can be said for the LAPD.

/No, I will not let it go.
//Those "officers" should be in prison for trying to kill two innocent women.
 
2013-04-25 09:04:05 AM  

DeathCipris: //Those "officers" should be in prison for trying to kill two innocent women.


This.

Or AT LEAST fired for being dangerous to the population. If you panic that easily you shouldn't be a cop.
 
2013-04-25 09:04:29 AM  
What, and nobody bothered to plant a gun on him? That's practically dereliction of duty.
 
2013-04-25 09:04:29 AM  

Tat'dGreaser: nekom: Given his (or at least his brother's) history, it was right and proper to assume him to be armed.

Yea looking at what had happened in the last 24 hours leading up to that, I can understand being on edge like that and expecting the worst.


The internet amazes me sometimes.  People biatch and moan about deliberate and calculated drone warfare, but riddling a boat with bullets "just because who knows what's in there" is A-Ok and perfectly understandable.  Lucky they didn't kill the son of a biatch and lose some valuable insight into their crimes.
 
2013-04-25 09:04:44 AM  

dittybopper: Absolutely, but there was no reason to shoot unless he shoots first.


Yes, let him detonate a bomb and then take him out. Brilliant plan.
 
2013-04-25 09:04:47 AM  
They should have  been briefed at the beginning of the manhunt. "Do not open fire on the suspects until you see a fellow officer/s explode into tiny pieces. You are in no way authorized to attempt to keep this from happening by trying to kill the bomber before he can bomb."

*Counter Terrorism 101....not.
 
2013-04-25 09:05:06 AM  
www.thereheis.com
That's some fine police work there boys.
 
2013-04-25 09:05:12 AM  

SpectroBoy: I think the main point here is that the cops unnecessarily fired a zillion rounds of live ammunition in a densely populated area. Screw the bomber, but think about the other people in the city before going all bangity-bang.


Hindsight is always 20/20 and they were thinking about the other people in the city, by getting this guy in custody
 
2013-04-25 09:05:20 AM  
Also the dumbass CNN news crew.
 
2013-04-25 09:05:50 AM  
Given the totally over the top response to this whole thing by the police, I'm kind of amazed they didn't go full Philly and drop a canister of napalm on the boat.
 
2013-04-25 09:06:16 AM  
They killed 3 people, and hurt almost 200 others with home made bombs. They threw home made grenades, and killed an MIT officer. Who the hell cares if he was "armed" when they caught him. They had every RIGHT to suspect he was armed.
 
2013-04-25 09:06:20 AM  

DeathCipris: At least they targeted the suspect and not 2 Hispanic women driving the wrong color vehicle, which is more than can be said for the LAPD.

/No, I will not let it go.
//Those "officers" should be in prison for trying to kill two innocent women.


They were Hispanic so had to be guilty of something.
 
2013-04-25 09:06:49 AM  
There is no excuse for the BPD unloading any ammo on this guy as they did when he didn't have a gun. These "police" certainly don't need to be handling firearms when they start firing at an unarmed suspect.
 
2013-04-25 09:07:01 AM  

dittybopper: nekom: Given his (or at least his brother's) history, it was right and proper to assume him to be armed.

Absolutely, but there was no reason to shoot unless he shoots first.

I'm going to chalk this up to someone having an AD* because they had their booger-hook on the bang-switch when they shouldn't have, or simply they got nervous and *THOUGHT* he had a gun because he twitched or something, and when that one gun shot happens, every cop in the area hears it and assumes there is a firefight and joins in.

It's a phenomenon that's probably more obscure than it should be.

*AD - Accidental Discharge.


ADs are rarer than chicken dentures. NDs happen with alarming frequency.

Also, "I shot because he shot" is the sort of thing you need to fix in the academy.
 
2013-04-25 09:07:47 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: Still handled it better than the LAPD. No newspaper delivery people were shot, and that's kind of nice.


Ya know?  I never really thought of looking at it that way.  That Dorner thing was a clusterfark.  This went pretty smoothly, I guess.

Of course, locking down a part of a major metropolitan area tends to help, but I don't think there's any way they could do that in LA.  Seriously.  You tell people in LA to stay inside, and they'll all go outside to see why it is you want them to stay inside.
 
2013-04-25 09:07:56 AM  

DarnoKonrad: Tat'dGreaser: nekom: Given his (or at least his brother's) history, it was right and proper to assume him to be armed.

Yea looking at what had happened in the last 24 hours leading up to that, I can understand being on edge like that and expecting the worst.

The internet amazes me sometimes.  People biatch and moan about deliberate and calculated drone warfare, but riddling a boat with bullets "just because who knows what's in there" is A-Ok and perfectly understandable.  Lucky they didn't kill the son of a biatch and lose some valuable insight into their crimes.


Actually it's too bad they didn't kill the son of a biatch and save the taxpayer a ton of money. Insight wasn't needed. That was probably the intent anyway and they screwed up by NOT killing him.
 
2013-04-25 09:08:26 AM  

Terrydatroll: DeathCipris: At least they targeted the suspect and not 2 Hispanic women driving the wrong color vehicle, which is more than can be said for the LAPD.

/No, I will not let it go.
//Those "officers" should be in prison for trying to kill two innocent women.

They were Hispanic so had to be guilty of something.


Guilty of being brown early in the morning
 
2013-04-25 09:08:27 AM  
They thought he might be hiding something in the boat...

However, some explosives can be detonated by being hit by a bullet, so there's that too
 
2013-04-25 09:09:22 AM  

LoneDoggie: Given the totally over the top response to this whole thing by the police, I'm kind of amazed they didn't go full Philly and drop a canister of napalm on the boat.


No shiat.  #1 take away from this whole thing is crazy people can turn a whole city into a real life version of the running man game show.  So I fully expect more of this garbage.
 
2013-04-25 09:09:40 AM  

octopied: They thought he might be hiding something in the boat...

However, some explosives can be detonated by being hit by a bullet, so there's that too


No not really
 
2013-04-25 09:09:52 AM  

DeathCipris: Terrydatroll: DeathCipris: At least they targeted the suspect and not 2 Hispanic women driving the wrong color vehicle, which is more than can be said for the LAPD.

/No, I will not let it go.
//Those "officers" should be in prison for trying to kill two innocent women.

They were Hispanic so had to be guilty of something.

Guilty of being brown early in the morning


If it's brown, it's down...or is that deer hunting..I get confused.
 
2013-04-25 09:10:13 AM  

Terrydatroll: DarnoKonrad: Tat'dGreaser: nekom: Given his (or at least his brother's) history, it was right and proper to assume him to be armed.

Yea looking at what had happened in the last 24 hours leading up to that, I can understand being on edge like that and expecting the worst.

The internet amazes me sometimes.  People biatch and moan about deliberate and calculated drone warfare, but riddling a boat with bullets "just because who knows what's in there" is A-Ok and perfectly understandable.  Lucky they didn't kill the son of a biatch and lose some valuable insight into their crimes.

Actually it's too bad they didn't kill the son of a biatch and save the taxpayer a ton of money. Insight wasn't needed. That was probably the intent anyway and they screwed up by NOT killing him.



Yea authoritarianism!
 
2013-04-25 09:10:54 AM  
So when did he get the gunshot wound to the head/neck?  The one they say was a suicide attempt?
 
2013-04-25 09:11:58 AM  
Trained police officers in a stressful situation fired unnecessarily. But, the average civilian who does not have that level of formal training or mandatory range time will be able to acquire a proper target and make a correct shoot/no-shoot decision in a stressful situation when lives are on he line.

This is what the NRA actually believes.
 
2013-04-25 09:12:04 AM  

DarnoKonrad: Terrydatroll: DarnoKonrad: Tat'dGreaser: nekom: Given his (or at least his brother's) history, it was right and proper to assume him to be armed.

Yea looking at what had happened in the last 24 hours leading up to that, I can understand being on edge like that and expecting the worst.

The internet amazes me sometimes.  People biatch and moan about deliberate and calculated drone warfare, but riddling a boat with bullets "just because who knows what's in there" is A-Ok and perfectly understandable.  Lucky they didn't kill the son of a biatch and lose some valuable insight into their crimes.

Actually it's too bad they didn't kill the son of a biatch and save the taxpayer a ton of money. Insight wasn't needed. That was probably the intent anyway and they screwed up by NOT killing him.


Yea authoritarianism!


Yeah, of course my sentiment is based on him actually being guilty of the alleged crime. The whole innocent until proven guilty thing kind of gets in the way though. Dang constitution.
 
2013-04-25 09:12:58 AM  

Terrydatroll: DarnoKonrad: Tat'dGreaser: nekom: Given his (or at least his brother's) history, it was right and proper to assume him to be armed.

Yea looking at what had happened in the last 24 hours leading up to that, I can understand being on edge like that and expecting the worst.

The internet amazes me sometimes.  People biatch and moan about deliberate and calculated drone warfare, but riddling a boat with bullets "just because who knows what's in there" is A-Ok and perfectly understandable.  Lucky they didn't kill the son of a biatch and lose some valuable insight into their crimes.

Actually it's too bad they didn't kill the son of a biatch and save the taxpayer a ton of money. Insight wasn't needed. That was probably the intent anyway and they screwed up by NOT killing him.


I actually want my tax money to go towards better understanding terrorism and why the acts are committed, that way my government will be better equipped to prevent such events from occurring.

In my opinion it's people like you that cause this country to be ill equipped to combat terrorism. Rather than study and try to understand it, you want to attack it and just try to destroy it as if it's some "thing" that can be forced into submission. That doesn't work and it's causing more harm than good.
 
2013-04-25 09:14:21 AM  
How shocking. The rest of the police response just SCREAMED competence and level headedness. Can't believe those same people would pour fire into a boat for shiats and giggles.
 
2013-04-25 09:14:40 AM  

Gonz: Trained police officers in a stressful situation fired unnecessarily. But, the average civilian who does not have that level of formal training or mandatory range time will be able to acquire a proper target and make a correct shoot/no-shoot decision in a stressful situation when lives are on he line.

This is what the NRA actually believes.


cdn.crushable.com
 
2013-04-25 09:16:07 AM  
So, how many "Boston Bomber" threads can we get today, Drew? Ten? Twenty?
Clickety, click, click, Eh, Mr. Curtis?
 
2013-04-25 09:16:15 AM  

Popcorn Johnny: Yes, let him detonate a bomb and then take him out.


You gotta keep 'em separated.

v005o.popscreen.com
 
2013-04-25 09:16:20 AM  

Masta Kronix: Terrydatroll: DarnoKonrad: Tat'dGreaser: nekom: Given his (or at least his brother's) history, it was right and proper to assume him to be armed.

Yea looking at what had happened in the last 24 hours leading up to that, I can understand being on edge like that and expecting the worst.

The internet amazes me sometimes.  People biatch and moan about deliberate and calculated drone warfare, but riddling a boat with bullets "just because who knows what's in there" is A-Ok and perfectly understandable.  Lucky they didn't kill the son of a biatch and lose some valuable insight into their crimes.

Actually it's too bad they didn't kill the son of a biatch and save the taxpayer a ton of money. Insight wasn't needed. That was probably the intent anyway and they screwed up by NOT killing him.

I actually want my tax money to go towards better understanding terrorism and why the acts are committed, that way my government will be better equipped to prevent such events from occurring.

In my opinion it's people like you that cause this country to be ill equipped to combat terrorism. Rather than study and try to understand it, you want to attack it and just try to destroy it as if it's some "thing" that can be forced into submission. That doesn't work and it's causing more harm than good.


Actually the only method that has ever been effective throughout history was to indiscriminately destroy the opposition with no interest or attempt to understand them or "it" whatever "it" was. Vlad the Impaler is MY hero.
 
2013-04-25 09:16:25 AM  

Masta Kronix: Terrydatroll: DarnoKonrad: Tat'dGreaser: nekom: Given his (or at least his brother's) history, it was right and proper to assume him to be armed.

Yea looking at what had happened in the last 24 hours leading up to that, I can understand being on edge like that and expecting the worst.

The internet amazes me sometimes.  People biatch and moan about deliberate and calculated drone warfare, but riddling a boat with bullets "just because who knows what's in there" is A-Ok and perfectly understandable.  Lucky they didn't kill the son of a biatch and lose some valuable insight into their crimes.

Actually it's too bad they didn't kill the son of a biatch and save the taxpayer a ton of money. Insight wasn't needed. That was probably the intent anyway and they screwed up by NOT killing him.

I actually want my tax money to go towards better understanding terrorism and why the acts are committed, that way my government will be better equipped to prevent such events from occurring.

In my opinion it's people like you that cause this country to be ill equipped to combat terrorism. Rather than study and try to understand it, you want to attack it and just try to destroy it as if it's some "thing" that can be forced into submission. That doesn't work and it's causing more harm than good.


Wouldn't it be better to use our tax money to annex the world and make everyone a US citizen so that they would be killing their own people when they do this shiat?
 
2013-04-25 09:18:09 AM  
I don't understand why police officers are permitted to have lethal weapons in 2013.

We have a variety of nonlethal weapons available that are very good at neutralizing threats. They don't usually result in friendly fire incidents or collateral damage, and even if they do, the victim gets to live.

When these cops get amped up and start shooting at shadows, things can go badly quickly. This wasn't some street cop with a revolver; these were heavily-armed police officers with military-grade weaponry. Some of them have served in military combat and are used to being in situations where the other person is also a soldier.

I want our police officers to be safe and to have the power to take down those who would harm the safety of our communities. But as with so many other things in the US, we take measures that aren't smart, but which fulfill our need to feel like we're responding to the issue. Locking down Watertown and then having a shootout with an unarmed suspect is a classic example of that.
 
2013-04-25 09:18:21 AM  
unfortunately they made a dangerous situation worse by hundreds of cops running all over the place unrestrained.
 
2013-04-25 09:18:46 AM  

funzyr: Wouldn't it be better to use our tax money to annex the world and make everyone a US citizen so that they would be killing their own people when they do this shiat?


Bullets are cheap, so the most cost effective way to solve all human problems is just to kill them all.  Unfortunately some people really do think like that.
 
2013-04-25 09:19:12 AM  

Terrydatroll: DarnoKonrad: Tat'dGreaser: nekom: Given his (or at least his brother's) history, it was right and proper to assume him to be armed.

Yea looking at what had happened in the last 24 hours leading up to that, I can understand being on edge like that and expecting the worst.

The internet amazes me sometimes.  People biatch and moan about deliberate and calculated drone warfare, but riddling a boat with bullets "just because who knows what's in there" is A-Ok and perfectly understandable.  Lucky they didn't kill the son of a biatch and lose some valuable insight into their crimes.

Actually it's too bad they didn't kill the son of a biatch and save the taxpayer a ton of money. Insight wasn't needed. That was probably the intent anyway and they screwed up by NOT killing him.


I'm rather glad at least one of them will endure the much crueler death by a thousand cuts that is life without parole in a federal supermax. I for one am okay with my tax money going to support that. I'm very disappointed the other guy got off so easy.
 
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