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(Some Guy)   Arkansas Republicans say that politicians should fear assassination. Refer to Democrats as "bullet backstops". (fourth paragraph)   (nogy.net) divider line 60
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2013-04-25 09:46:33 AM  
Yes, the Democrats are the backstops because the Republicans are in the front for the cameras.
 
2013-04-25 09:47:31 AM  
They were just kidding.  They really didn't mean anything by it.  They're sorry that you took offense.

Surveyor's marks.
 
2013-04-25 09:48:05 AM  
Isn't the guy who wrote that just a husband of a politician? Not an actual politician?
 
IP
2013-04-25 09:49:38 AM  
"Part of me feels that this betrayal deserves a quick implementation of my 2nd amendment rights to remove a threat domestic. "


That's some brilliant logic there, chief.
 
2013-04-25 09:49:47 AM  
That's a lot of crazy. I was thinking about making a drinking game out of how many times the guy says Socialism except I'd die of alcohol poisoning.
 
2013-04-25 09:49:52 AM  

born_yesterday: They were just kidding.  They really didn't mean anything by it.  They're sorry that you took offense.

Surveyor's marks.


It was satire, like when Shakespeare made up new words, or something. . . .
 
2013-04-25 09:49:59 AM  
For people with short memories or who don't pay attention to Arkansas - you know, sensible people - this is the context they're working with:

In 2008, man walked into the Arkansas Democratic Party HQ and shot the party chairman
 
2013-04-25 09:50:20 AM  
"The 2nd amendment means nothing unless those in power believe you would have no problem simply walking up and shooting them if they got too far out of line"

Hi Jared.
 
2013-04-25 09:54:29 AM  
Whatever, just another idiot being an idiot, but if the GOP wants to be relevant in the future, it might want to disavow the guy and force an apology out of him.  You might be well loved in your little backwater hillbilly town, but the rest of the country just think's you're crazy.  Inviting to speak the man who told the president to "suck on my machine gun" doesn't exactly win hearts and minds.
 
2013-04-25 09:54:31 AM  
Scathing by Chris Nogy

Before I wrote this, I asked my wife if she needed anything for this newsletter.  She said she was torn between just letting the whole thing drop or writing a scathing letter or having me write a scathing letter.  I realized that the reason we lost is because we are willing to just let our buddies slide even when they make the biggest mistakes of our generation, we do not have the 'peer pressure' factor that the Democrats have.  And while I am not suggesting that we become like the Governor and start threatening our supposed friends and allies with nasty things like government audits if we don't comply with the wishes of the constituents and the ideals of the party, we need to get a LOT tougher if we are ever to assure that events like those that took place this week don't happen again.

Part of me feels that this betrayal deserves a quick implementation of my 2nd amendment rights to remove a threat domestic. Because no matter how much one group says it is inevitable to start down the road to socialism it isn't as long as we use our creativity and energy to creating solutions that don't take us that way.  And it is NEVER wrong to simply stand up against an option, even though the other existing options may not be optimal either, especially when there is still time.  And 2015 would have been time, especially if we had simply passed legislation that said "Arkansas will NOT be forced into implementation of Obamacare or any socialized health care or Medicaid reform at least until the end of the 2015 legislative session."  Not even an outright nullification, just buying time.

I don't feel the same way about the Democrats as bullet backstops as I do about the Republicans who joined them.  The Democrats were doing what their party told them they had to do because they were elected to do that job.  We wailed and cried and threw up our hands every time the Democrat socialist Governor driven Senate and House rammed through things that we knew were dangerous, but that was the fact of the elections.  Make no mistake, Arkansas is no less Democrat than it was before, it is just a lot less Obama, and we as Republicans had only one chance.  That chance was to keep Obamacare from being implemented.  The Democrat citizens were willing to stomach a few pro-life and pro-gun laws for us successfully keeping Obamacare out of the state, and we could have maintained our favorable status by doing just that.  But now the Dems are furious because they get pro-life, pro-gun, and Obamacare under our majority, the Republicans are furious because they get Obamacare because of their own, we will NOT win in 2014, and our hope of making things better evaporated with the vote of a handful of last-minute turncoats.

So what do we do?  We can't fix this.  There is no hope of repeal in the 2015 session, by that time the socialist machine will have the system already built to the point that it cannot be either controlled by us or dismantled by us.  Rep. Charlie Collins refused to tell you one thing - the only way this plan leads to something better is if we are in charge of it in the future, and we will NOT be. It is like having a cage full of hungry tigers in a large room full of people, those tigers being controlled by one great animal trainer who takes orders from the leaders in the room.  Someone convinces them that keeping the cage locked would cost too much money, and so they decide to open the cage because they have the animal trainer there to control the tigers, nothing is going to happen to the people in the room.  Safety is guaranteed in exchange for their (the leaders, not the citizens in the room) decision to open the door.  Suddenly, the animal trainer has something come up, the tigers are out in the room, and he must now go somewhere else.  No matter what promises were made, the tigers will now begin killing and eating the people in the room, and even though the leaders will wring their hands and cry "I was just trying to do what was best for the budget and the people', people start being mauled, killed, and destroyed.  Families decimated, Lives destroyed.  That is what will happen here, because there were some stupid people who thought they were big enough to control both the tigers and the tiger trainer, but they don't have the power, the control, or the personal ability to do so themselves even as unempowered citizens.  They passed this Socialist agenda without the most important part - a certainty that they could control it after it passes.  And that is the part that will bite us all, because we will NOT be in control once it gets going, it will be the Democrats who have been, still are, and will be in the future the majority here.  Better for us to have just left the cage locked and paid the lock tax.

So what do we do?  While I believe that we as a party are done in Arkansas after this, if there is ANY hope of our survival, it is going to take not being forgiving.  Not only for past actions, but to show those who will come in the future that the cost of failure to do the thing they were elected to do will be significant.  We need to be making a point of this failure from this moment on.  We need to make a public statement from our groups that we no longer support those who turned on us, that we will NOT be working to their re-election, that we will be actively seeking replacements, and perhaps even working towards recall.  We as the Party have to stand up and say 'no more - you were given a job, you campaigned on the promise to do this job, you had the ability to do this job, you had the votes each time to do this job, and yet for no legitimate reason you betrayed the trust put in you by the electorate and you are now completely and permanently politically finished.'  We need to let those who will come in the future to represent us that we are serious.  The 2nd amendment means nothing unless those in power believe you would have no problem simply walking up and shooting them if they got too far out of line and stopped responding as representatives.  It seems that we are unable to muster that belief in any of our representatives on a state or federal level, but we have to have something, something costly, something that they will fear that we will use if they step out of line.  If we can't shoot them, we have to at least be firm in our threat to take immediate action against them politically, socially, and civically if they screw up on something this big.  Personally, I think a gun is quicker and more merciful, but hey, we can't.  But we have to do something, we have to gain control of our representatives, if we don't then what the hell are we doing as a party except having fundraiser dinners and meetings just to raise more money for future meetings and fundraisers, and giving money to empower and elect those who would betray us without having the control to keep them in line once we do?  See the pattern - you have to know you can guide the processes you begin, if you don't, it is better not to start them.  And we have to follow through, even if they are our 'friends', because the future of the nation depends on it.

So we CAN'T just let this drop and live quietly with our disappointment.  That doesn't fix what is wrong, and most importantly, doesn't prevent it from happening again.  Hey, I have a 13 year old daughter who after the House vote stood up in a meeting of the Republican Women of Benton County and announced that she was returning the $200 scholarship and plaque that the Arkansas Federation of Republican Women  gave her because she wasn't taking money from people who supported those who turncoated. She is telling her mom that it no longer makes any difference to be part of the Republican Party in Benton County, and that she should quit and return to doing more important things.  And most important, my daughter promises NEVER to be part of this party.  We can't afford to have young people who can't vote do this, but we are driving older people who CAN to the same conclusion, and that is disastrous.  We need better, we need to have the assurance that when we promise the Democrats we can deliver on a particular agenda if they elect us, that we deliver on that agenda.  We listened to the liberals and progressives this time, we didn't bother to hear what the conservatives said (even though at the town hall meeting I was at, in Washington County, at least 60% were against the Charlie Collins / Governor Beebe plan (he claimed it was an even room, but he knew better, he was just trying to make himself feel better for accepting his silver pieces).  We can't go doing all the special things we do to get our friends elected and then not hold them fully responsible when they betray promises and trusts.  We need to make points AND examples of these people, and we need everyone to know that our actions will be unpleasant, immediate, and significant.  If we can't do that, we will NEVER get the rest of the state behind us to vote us into positions of authority again.  And that would be sad, because when this all comes down to it, our gun protection and our pro-life laws can be easily overturned if we are not in power at least long enough to give them some real stability - and they will not only because the Democrat majority in the state isn't happy with these laws, but now they are out for revenge as well.  To the turncoats that sunk us, thank you.  It is now our responsibility to make sure that you are forever remembered in history, in big, bold, letters as the ones who placed Arkansas firmly on the path to Socialism, to the desires of Obama and Sebilius, and who made it easier for future traitors to introduce all kinds of other socialist laws and programs.  You set the precedent,  now I hope that we can do something to make sure the lesson learned by those who represent us in the future is that bad things will happen to you if you follow that precedent.


That is a lot of crazy for such a short essay.
 
2013-04-25 09:57:01 AM  
What a pathetic little asshole banging his tiny fists in impotent rage...
 
2013-04-25 09:57:40 AM  
Fun facts...

The United Health Foundation ranked Arkansas 48th of 50 in overall health in 2012. 46th of 50 in patient outcomes and 48th in determinants (factors correlated to quality of health). They are very high in obesity, smoking and diabetes. The Commonwealth fund ranked them 40th overall for health in 2007.

Arkansas also has one of the lowest life expectancies of any state.
 
2013-04-25 10:00:07 AM  
Naw, I'm not reading that shiat.


/Just thought I'd put it out there
 
2013-04-25 10:00:18 AM  
Another responsible gun owner heard from.

Hey idiots, violent revolution is the last resort, not the first.  It doesn't come into play while we still have rule of law and a democratic process.  You don't get violent revolution just because the majority of the country supports policies that you don't like.  Either try to make a majority supporting your favored policies, or find a way to live with it, or move somewhere farking else.  That's the way democracy works, you psychopathic, gun-worshipping, anti-American dickbags.
 
2013-04-25 10:00:52 AM  
Keep derping, I'm reloading.
 
2013-04-25 10:01:01 AM  

skozlaw: Fun facts...

The United Health Foundation ranked Arkansas 48th of 50 in overall health in 2012. 46th of 50 in patient outcomes and 48th in determinants (factors correlated to quality of health). They are very high in obesity, smoking and diabetes. The Commonwealth fund ranked them 40th overall for health in 2007.

Arkansas also has one of the lowest life expectancies of any state.


But 5th in binge drinking, let's not forget that HUGE epidemic...
 
DGS [TotalFark]
2013-04-25 10:02:57 AM  
FTA:

"We wailed and cried and threw up our hands every time the Democrat socialist Governor driven Senate and House rammed through things that we knew were dangerous, but that was the fact of the elections."
Not only is it derpy, this is the best way they can share their ideas.
 
2013-04-25 10:03:12 AM  
Then when an Arkansas Democrat is in fact shot, Republicans will be outraged that we suspect one of their folks might be responsible.
 
2013-04-25 10:04:03 AM  
Hard to keep your powder dry when you drool all over it.
 
2013-04-25 10:06:23 AM  

MichiganFTL: skozlaw: Fun facts...

The United Health Foundation ranked Arkansas 48th of 50 in overall health in 2012. 46th of 50 in patient outcomes and 48th in determinants (factors correlated to quality of health). They are very high in obesity, smoking and diabetes. The Commonwealth fund ranked them 40th overall for health in 2007.

Arkansas also has one of the lowest life expectancies of any state.

But 5th in binge drinking, let's not forget that HUGE epidemic...


I didn't know that many farkers lived in Arkansas.  Poor guys/gals...
 
2013-04-25 10:07:33 AM  

skozlaw: Fun facts...

The United Health Foundation ranked Arkansas 48th of 50 in overall health in 2012. 46th of 50 in patient outcomes and 48th in determinants (factors correlated to quality of health). They are very high in obesity, smoking and diabetes. The Commonwealth fund ranked them 40th overall for health in 2007.

Arkansas also has one of the lowest life expectancies of any state.


My great grandmother is 99 and she lives in Arkansas therefore your argument is invalid. That is, of course, how anecdotal evidence works.

Statistics are for liberals.
 
2013-04-25 10:20:08 AM  
I especially like how they use the word socialist, almost as if they knew what it meant.
 
2013-04-25 10:20:15 AM  

keylock71: What a pathetic little asshole banging his tiny fists in impotent rage...


Why are you still talking about Obama's tantrum over losing his gun control bill?
 
2013-04-25 10:20:18 AM  

The Why Not Guy: Then when an Arkansas Democrat is in fact shot, Republicans will be outraged that we suspect one of their folks might be responsible.


Bill Gwatney

No, they hid all info on the shooter.
 
2013-04-25 10:20:34 AM  
If I read it correctly, he feels the Republicans are bullet backstops because Democrats automatically suck but Republicans should know better but since they don't he might have to use his 2nd Amendment right.
 
2013-04-25 10:20:59 AM  
Why do libs always think that red blooded american god-fearing conservatives may ever commit any acts of terror or violence based on political motivations?  Just shows how far the libby-lib mind will lib to see what they want.
 
2013-04-25 10:21:58 AM  
What's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander. There are plenty of corrupt pols and corporate whores on both sides.
 
2013-04-25 10:23:27 AM  

Doc Daneeka: Another responsible gun owner heard from.

Hey idiots, violent revolution is the last resort, not the first.  It doesn't come into play while we still have rule of law and a democratic process.  You don't get violent revolution just because the majority of the country supports policies that you don't like.  Either try to make a majority supporting your favored policies, or find a way to live with it, or move somewhere farking else.  That's the way democracy works, you psychopathic, gun-worshipping, anti-American dickbags.


Bwhahahahahahahahahah! The guy and all the right wing/left wing nuts are just distractions designed to keep you from caring about things like CISPA and the gutting of insider trading laws. If any politicians should fear bullets it is the main stream ones, because those assholes on both sides and their pandering to the farking rich elite is getting out of hand.

I've had this irrational urge to try and assassinate the Koch brothers, the Supreme Court, and all most everyone in Congress. Now my life would have to go completely into the shiatter for me to ever act on that urge, but it is there.
 
2013-04-25 10:24:36 AM  
This man should be allowed to own any and all the firearms he wishes! Background checks are an abridgement of the 2nd ammendment, after all. They must be, or else why would all our pro-2nd-ammendment farkers have been so alright with background checks not being expanded?
 
2013-04-25 10:25:16 AM  

jehovahs witness protection: keylock71: What a pathetic little asshole banging his tiny fists in impotent rage...

Why are you still talking about Obama's tantrum over losing his gun control bill?


www.troycitydesign.com
 
2013-04-25 10:28:17 AM  

wingnut396: Why do libs always think that red blooded american god-fearing conservatives may ever commit any acts of terror or violence based on political motivations?  Just shows how far the libby-lib mind will lib to see what they want.


Weak.
 
2013-04-25 10:29:14 AM  

wingnut396: Why do libs always think that red blooded american god-fearing conservatives may ever commit any acts of terror or violence based on political motivations?  Just shows how far the libby-lib mind will lib to see what they want.


I know, right?  Especially since TINSTAAVC.
 
2013-04-25 10:32:25 AM  

DemonEater: For people with short memories or who don't pay attention to Arkansas - you know, sensible people - this is the context they're working with:

In 2008, man walked into the Arkansas Democratic Party HQ and shot the party chairman


Speaking of context, note misspelling in headline.  Arkansas context indeed.
 
2013-04-25 10:38:50 AM  

neversubmit: The Why Not Guy: Then when an Arkansas Democrat is in fact shot, Republicans will be outraged that we suspect one of their folks might be responsible.

Bill Gwatney

No, they hid all info on the shooter.


Maybe they hid all this informaiton from you. But this cogent analysis unearthed the fact that the shooter was actually (dun-dun-DUN!) a paid assassin hired by Barack Hussein Obama!
 
2013-04-25 10:42:22 AM  

DeaH: neversubmit: The Why Not Guy: Then when an Arkansas Democrat is in fact shot, Republicans will be outraged that we suspect one of their folks might be responsible.

Bill Gwatney

No, they hid all info on the shooter.

Maybe they hid all this informaiton from you. But this cogent analysis unearthed the fact that the shooter was actually (dun-dun-DUN!) a paid assassin hired by Barack Hussein Obama!


That would be funny if it weren't so sad.
 
2013-04-25 10:48:23 AM  
It's bad form to assassinate an elected representative of government, considering they were chosen through democratic process and any action against them looks like the act of an embittered member of the opposition party.

The REAL bullet stoppers should most likely be the advisors and political analysts under the employ of these officials, who don't have the benefit of political mandates. That's probably why guys like Karl Rove and James Carville have good life insurance policies.
 
2013-04-25 10:48:56 AM  
Another responsible gun owner speaking up, I see.
 
2013-04-25 10:50:12 AM  

wildcardjack: Yes, the Democrats are the backstops because the Republicans are in the front for the cameras.


Done in one.
 
2013-04-25 11:15:40 AM  
Chris Nogy: And understand that need was born out of frustration, not uncontrolled frustration, but significant frustration nonetheless.

Leigh Nogy: I made a bad decision in publishing this letter. I was stressed beyond my norm and was on a deadline.

Remarkable that providing a means for their fellow Arkansans a way to get proper health care coverage such stress and frustration.

Pathetic.
 
2013-04-25 11:16:15 AM  

Slaves2Darkness: I've had this irrational urge to try and assassinate the Koch brothers, the Supreme Court, and all most everyone in Congress. Now my life would have to go completely into the shiatter for me to ever act on that urge, but it is there.


My current conjecture is that conservatives get very loud before their berserk homicidal rampages, while liberals become very, very quiet.
 
2013-04-25 11:18:35 AM  
Hey look, more eliminationist humor from conservatives. How unsurprising.
 
2013-04-25 11:23:02 AM  

skozlaw: Arkansas also has one of the lowest life expectancies of any state


Thanks for the link, interesting stuff.  Interesting facts:

7 of top 10 are blue states

9 of bottom 10 are red states (only 8 of 10 if you count DC)
 
2013-04-25 11:25:51 AM  
This is disgusting. There should be mass resignations over this.
 
2013-04-25 11:55:20 AM  
He's a gabby sort, isn't he?
 
2013-04-25 12:06:59 PM  
Why do Liberals always rush to blame the Tea Party any time a shooting or bombing happens?
 
2013-04-25 12:37:48 PM  
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed. and once America has an Army, the second amendment shall be abolished.
 
2013-04-25 12:44:59 PM  

HighOnCraic: Why do Liberals always rush to blame the Tea Party any time a shooting or bombing happens?


Because they are idiots.

sheep snorter: A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed. and once America has an Army, the second amendment shall be abolished.


Proof
 
2013-04-25 12:53:41 PM  

jehovahs witness protection: HighOnCraic: Why do Liberals always rush to blame the Tea Party any time a shooting or bombing happens?

Because they are idiots.

sheep snorter: A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed. and once America has an Army, the second amendment shall be abolished.

Proof


I know that you're just trolling, but don't you think threats like these justify a bit of suspicion?
 
2013-04-25 12:57:06 PM  
From "The Southern Captivity of the GOP":

And, like the Democrats of the seventies and eighties, the Republicans in the aftermath of Oklahoma City compounded the problem through their nitpicking libertarian indifference to Americans' fears about armed violence. In thrall to their supporters in the NRA, the Republicans were soon trying to repeal a 1994 assault-weapons ban, after a brief post-bombing breather. And what could be more like the Democrats' "coddling of criminals" circa 1975 than the Republican attack on "taggants" in the 1996 terrorism bill? Congressional Republicans, in the name of the Second Amendment, fought to prevent the use of chemicals that would allow plastic explosives to be traced. This kind of procedural excuse for letting murderers walk led one analyst at the conservative Heritage Foundation to coin the term "ACLU Republicans."

An apt parallel. If Christians are the blacks of the Republican coalition, then the NRA is its ACLU. The Republicans are not yet as beholden to their special-interest groups -- their marksmen, polluters, and plutocrats -- as Democrats are to their teachers' unions and race agitators, their feminists and ambulance chasers. But guns are special. The bipartisan political consultant Dick Morris maintains that the single most destructive interest group on the right is the NRA. Representative Henry Hyde, an Illinois Republican, holds guns -- not abortion -- to blame for the gender gap. Rabidly pro-gun rhetoric has succeeded in putting the Democrats on the side of the cops and crime control, Republicans on the side of criminals and crime. Suddenly, in the wake of Oklahoma City, Americans noticed that it was conservatives, not liberals, who assailed the FBI and railed against putting 100,000 cops on the streets. It was the NRA, not the ACLU, that was raising money by attacking the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms as "jackbooted thugs." Today it is the right, not the left, on which suspicion falls first whenever a bomb goes off.  The identification of Gingrich with McVeigh may have been excessive, but there was no denying that sometime since the Reagan Administration the Republicans had replaced the Democrats as the To-Hell-in-a-Handbasket Party, the party more congenial to haters of America.


http://www.theatlantic.com/past/docs/issues/98jun/gop2.htm

/Keep in mind, that's an old article by conservative writer Christopher Caldwell.
 
2013-04-25 12:57:28 PM  
Fun fact: Arkansas has the sixth highest firearms death rate in the nation, but they only kill if they don't have to exert much effort (because most of them they probably can't).

I just think it's absolutely fantastic that a man who lives in one of the least healthy and most violent states in the nation is so willing to stand on his own principles like this.... it's not just anybody who would look around at a wheezing, dying populace and say "You know what would really help this? If I threatened to shoot anybody who tried to help this".

God bless you, you crazy teabagging asshole.

/ because if there's one thing Arkansas doesn't need, it's outside financial aid
 
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