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(Mediaite)   Matthew Weiner thinks that Don Draper has done very well for himself when it comes to hot wives   ( mediaite.com) divider line
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2013-04-25 10:29:18 AM  
Don gets more repulsive every season, yet he's impossible to hate.  What a great character.
 
2013-04-25 10:55:52 AM  

Mentat: Don gets more repulsive every season, yet he's impossible to hate.  What a great character.


Like Breaking Bad, there's not really anyone that's 'good' in the show.  Maybe Bert Cooper.
 
2013-04-25 11:01:54 AM  

enry: Mentat: Don gets more repulsive every season, yet he's impossible to hate.  What a great character.

Like Breaking Bad, there's not really anyone that's 'good' in the show.  Maybe Bert Cooper.


I agree with Bert Cooper he seems good or maybe he is just the most savvy of the cast, Pete's wife Trudy seems to be a good person but a bit of status snob.
 
2013-04-25 11:11:22 AM  
I was stunned to see Jefferson Darcy show up on the last episode. How does a head grow three sizes? Anyway, I loved his character and would like to see him more often but it would probably need to be in some sort of swap scenario, which Don would not go for because he's so deliciously hypocritical. Pete? You and Annie up for that?
 
2013-04-25 11:12:25 AM  

Mentat: Don gets more repulsive every season, yet he's impossible to hate.  What a great character.


FTFY

enry: Like Breaking Bad, there's not really anyone that's 'good' in the show.


What's wrong with Peggy? Or Ken? Or Joan or Megan? Or Stan?
 
2013-04-25 11:25:20 AM  
The show seems to have lost a lot of its initial luster.  It's just turned into "How many people are going to cheat on their wives this week?" with no other real story lines.
 
2013-04-25 11:40:15 AM  

megalynn44: Mentat: Don gets more repulsive every season, yet he's impossible to hate.  What a great character.

FTFY

enry: Like Breaking Bad, there's not really anyone that's 'good' in the show.

What's wrong with Peggy? Or Ken? Or Joan or Megan? Or Stan?


They're not nearly as "bad" as some of the others, but they're not all completely clean, either.

Peggy passed along the info about Heinz that she got from chatting with her friend and her company used that info.  Granted, she wasn't in favor of doing that, but she should have known better than to pass on info like that.  Also, didn't she have a kid with Pete while he was married?

Joan whored herself out for a partnership.  And she did hookup with Roger while he was married.
 
2013-04-25 11:41:11 AM  

megalynn44: What's wrong with Peggy? Or Ken? Or Joan or Megan? Or Stan?


Peggy's turning into Don, but at least she knows it.  Joan is a biatch, albeit out of necessity.  The others are fine.
 
2013-04-25 11:58:22 AM  

Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion: The show seems to have lost a lot of its initial luster.  It's just turned into "How many people are going to cheat on their wives this week?" with no other real story lines.


Give it a week or two. I suspect things are being set up in order to be knocked down later this year.
 
2013-04-25 11:59:54 AM  
peggy turned into the monster don wanted her to become, and now he realizes how scary he actually is.
 
2013-04-25 12:04:13 PM  

Hebalo: Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion: The show seems to have lost a lot of its initial luster.  It's just turned into "How many people are going to cheat on their wives this week?" with no other real story lines.

Give it a week or two. I suspect things are being set up in order to be knocked down later this year.


Yeah, it goes through the same pattern every season.  The first couple episodes are just setting the table and seeing where the characters have progressed to since the previous season ended.

I'm curious to see how they try to top Lane's arc from last season, as well as Pete getting punched in the face.
 
2013-04-25 12:51:24 PM  
Well...

We still have to see their reactions to Robert Kennedy and Martin Luther King being killed...
I figure the latter will have a serious effect on Dawn...perhaps it's why they gave her her own storyline and time away from SCDP...to build up to it.

I love the way they play history in this show...discussing and showing reactions to Marilyn's death, JFK's...Ali vs. Liston, the Vietman War...

Very cool.
 
2013-04-25 01:02:13 PM  

Rawhead Rex: I love the way they play history in this show...discussing and showing reactions to Marilyn's death, JFK's...Ali vs. Liston, the Vietman War...


It is one of the great parts of the show, when they showed Roger's daughter's wedding invitations I was pleasantly surprised they were going there.
 
2013-04-25 01:33:33 PM  

NeoCortex42: megalynn44: Mentat: Don gets more repulsive every season, yet he's impossible to hate.  What a great character.

FTFY

enry: Like Breaking Bad, there's not really anyone that's 'good' in the show.

What's wrong with Peggy? Or Ken? Or Joan or Megan? Or Stan?

They're not nearly as "bad" as some of the others, but they're not all completely clean, either.

Peggy passed along the info about Heinz that she got from chatting with her friend and her company used that info.  Granted, she wasn't in favor of doing that, but she should have known better than to pass on info like that.  Also, didn't she have a kid with Pete while he was married?

Joan whored herself out for a partnership.  And she did hookup with Roger while he was married.


No, I don't think Pete was married yet when he knocked Peggy up.

And, hey, how bad can a broad be if she's willing to give random guys handjobs in a movie theater?

Lane was a decent bloke, but he was too hung up to stay around.
 
2013-04-25 02:01:25 PM  

Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion: The show seems to have lost a lot of its initial luster.  It's just turned into "How many people are going to cheat on their wives this week?" with no other real story lines.


But but but symbolism!!!!

/Gave up on Mad Men this season. Don't miss it at all.
 
2013-04-25 03:00:26 PM  

Uncle Pooky: Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion: The show seems to have lost a lot of its initial luster.  It's just turned into "How many people are going to cheat on their wives this week?" with no other real story lines.

But but but symbolism!!!!

/Gave up on Mad Men this season. Don't miss it at all.


It's the second to last season.  That's like walking out of a movie a half hour before it ends after sticking with it for an hour and a half.  At least finish the damn thing, THEN decide if you liked the whole thing or not.  Lots of stories flag in the middle and redeem themselves at the end.
 
2013-04-25 03:25:58 PM  

Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion: It's just turned into "How many people are going to cheat on their wives this week?" with no other real story lines.


Mad Men's story line was never it's strong suit. It's more of a show about farking with the audience than plot.
 
2013-04-25 03:56:14 PM  

MrEricSir: Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion: It's just turned into "How many people are going to cheat on their wives this week?" with no other real story lines.

Mad Men's story line was never it's strong suit. It's more of a show about farking with the audience than plot.


Character based jazz. Nothing wrong with that. Sopranos did a lot of it, though certainly had tighter stroy arcs. (Weiner wrote for that as well). My wife's friend writes for MM, so I'm a bit biased, I guess.
 
2013-04-25 04:04:23 PM  

Cletus C.: I was stunned to see Jefferson Darcy show up on the last episode. How does a head grow three sizes? Anyway, I loved his character and would like to see him more often but it would probably need to be in some sort of swap scenario, which Don would not go for because he's so deliciously hypocritical. Pete? You and Annie up for that?


That was Ted McGuinly!?
 
2013-04-25 04:16:02 PM  

taliesinwi: Uncle Pooky: Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion: The show seems to have lost a lot of its initial luster.  It's just turned into "How many people are going to cheat on their wives this week?" with no other real story lines.

But but but symbolism!!!!

/Gave up on Mad Men this season. Don't miss it at all.

It's the second to last season.  That's like walking out of a movie a half hour before it ends after sticking with it for an hour and a half.  At least finish the damn thing, THEN decide if you liked the whole thing or not.  Lots of stories flag in the middle and redeem themselves at the end.


Sorry, man, I just can't hang with it anymore. Part of the problem was I came to the party late, and I didn't start the show until after the 4th season was over. I watched the first 4 seasons in about 2 weeks; when you watch a show in that way, you can really notice how the story structure and characterization can falter - and it did with Mad Men for me. I watched the 5th season but ended up thinking it was just a huge waste of time, because honestly - the show is about nothing. There is no substance, no threat, no anything. It is a bunch of rich and attractive people who do nothing but complain.

It suffers from a lot of the same problems that "The Sopranos" did for me... namely, I don't care about Mrs. Draper and the Draper kids, same as I didn't care about Mrs. Sopranos and the Soprano kids. They are not interesting characters on their own merit, even after all the attempts to flesh them out, and far too much time is spent on them. There are interesting characters on the show - Roger, Joan, and to an extent, Peggy - but they are dragged down by characters who contribute virtually nothing (Ken, Harry) or are so unlikeable that it makes no sense to have them be so successful (PETE).

Another problem is - Don Draper is not a sympathetic character. I realize the character has demons, but there's only so many times you can contrast those with his current life before the character simply becomes whiny and annoying. He's extremely successful, incredibly handsome and has his way with whoever he wants, whenever he wants. I know everyone keeps waiting for the other shoe to drop, but honestly - at this point, if there was ever going to be a legitimate threat to Don Draper's happiness, it should have happened years ago. Now, it would just be deus ex machina, and that's lame. And if there's no threat - what's the point?

Sorry, but even if from this point on the show was as good as it's ever been, it's still not enough to inspire me to go back - and I'm someone who usually sticks with shows far past their good years, just to see how it all turns out. I've never seen what the big deal was with Mad Men - it was a good show that had a couple of great episodes, but beyond that it never impressed me.

/Bored at work.
 
2013-04-25 04:48:20 PM  

Uncle Pooky: taliesinwi: Uncle Pooky: Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion: The show seems to have lost a lot of its initial luster.  It's just turned into "How many people are going to cheat on their wives this week?" with no other real story lines.

But but but symbolism!!!!

/Gave up on Mad Men this season. Don't miss it at all.

It's the second to last season.  That's like walking out of a movie a half hour before it ends after sticking with it for an hour and a half.  At least finish the damn thing, THEN decide if you liked the whole thing or not.  Lots of stories flag in the middle and redeem themselves at the end.

Sorry, man, I just can't hang with it anymore. Part of the problem was I came to the party late, and I didn't start the show until after the 4th season was over. I watched the first 4 seasons in about 2 weeks; when you watch a show in that way, you can really notice how the story structure and characterization can falter - and it did with Mad Men for me. I watched the 5th season but ended up thinking it was just a huge waste of time, because honestly - the show is about nothing. There is no substance, no threat, no anything. It is a bunch of rich and attractive people who do nothing but complain.

It suffers from a lot of the same problems that "The Sopranos" did for me... namely, I don't care about Mrs. Draper and the Draper kids, same as I didn't care about Mrs. Sopranos and the Soprano kids. They are not interesting characters on their own merit, even after all the attempts to flesh them out, and far too much time is spent on them. There are interesting characters on the show - Roger, Joan, and to an extent, Peggy - but they are dragged down by characters who contribute virtually nothing (Ken, Harry) or are so unlikeable that it makes no sense to have them be so successful (PETE).

Another problem is - Don Draper is not a sympathetic character. I realize the character has demons, but there's only so many times you can contrast those with his current life before the ch ...


Fair points.  I'm certainly not an apologist (I don't watch it, my GF does, though I've caught some segments here and there), I was just speaking more in generally.  I was going to finally ditch The Office after hanging on for years but then reconsidered when it was announced it was ending - and I've liked this season more than the past few.  Dexter was the same way.  Wasn't feeling it, but hey, it's almost done, might as well finish it off.  Once you spend that much time with something you'd at least like to see if there's a payoff.

Interesting that the compressed watching timeframe is part of what spoiled it for you - I got hooked on Lost when I was able to watch the entire first two seasons on DVD but then quickly lost interest when I had to deal with it on a weekly basis.
 
2013-04-25 05:57:45 PM  

FirstNationalBastard: No, I don't think Pete was married yet when he knocked Peggy up.


If she got pregnant their first time (after he showed up at her apartment), he was still engaged and, iirc, he was due to get married the next day. So...not exactly any less sleazy, really. "I'm getting married [whenever]" was practically his pick-up line to her, so it's not as if she didn't realize it, either.

Uncle Pooky: at this point, if there was ever going to be a legitimate threat to Don Draper's happiness, it should have happened years ago. Now, it would just be deus ex machina, and that's lame. And if there's no threat - what's the point?


I thought part of the point was Don himself was his own legitimate threat to his happiness, what with him being terribly screwed up, a strange mix of regressive and progressive socially, and, as is becoming increasingly apparent, totally unable to move with the times as get into the later '60s. (Seriously, he's pretty much the only character identical to his season 1 self.)
 
2013-04-25 06:42:21 PM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Cletus C.: I was stunned to see Jefferson Darcy show up on the last episode. How does a head grow three sizes? Anyway, I loved his character and would like to see him more often but it would probably need to be in some sort of swap scenario, which Don would not go for because he's so deliciously hypocritical. Pete? You and Annie up for that?

That was Ted McGuinly!?


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